[talk-ph] Detailed subdivision mapping in Cebu

2011-06-16 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Done by Totor: http://osm.org/go/4tRH4mQAj-- :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread maning sambale
Any wishlist of areas we want Bing to provide imagery? -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:09 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi I'm speaking personally and there are no

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen

2011-06-16 Thread Mark Van den Borre
Hi Wouter, - the data (especially the numbers) are available from an out of copyright source (Atlas der Buurtwegen/Atlas des Chemins Vicinaux dating from the 1840's), so a source that can be used. I do not express myself if the digitisations that are nowadays available on the websites of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen

2011-06-16 Thread Wouter Hamelinck
The workshop will take place at the city hall in Haaltert. We will start at 10. The plan is to start with an introduction to OSM (those people have possibly never heard about OSM). After that the tracking starts and in the afternoon, we can do the actual mapping not yet a definitive schedule for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: James; all I can say is that the paragraph in question was written by our General Counsel specifically to allow existing contributions to stay in place. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't comment on interpretation! Regards Hi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/16 David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net: As a slightly supplementary question of what to do with data from those users who have not agreed to the CT's can I make the following suggestion. Given that we obviously want to move forward with a clean database untainted by any data which

[OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Hocking
My understanding is that Nearmap wish all contributions to OSM, by any mapper who has agreed to the CT, derived from their imagery (before the 17th June 2011) to be able to be relicenced by OSMF under any licence it (OSMF) chooses at any time. However I also can't see exactly how the published

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 16 June 2011 07:58, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: The right question - when considering deletions - is, can the OSMF use this dataset as part of the OSM. That is a question of compatibility between the original licence (in this case the OS Opendata licence) and the way in which OSMF

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for further checks. No, that hasn't been the case since Contributor Terms 1.2 were proposed in November 2010 and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
(continuing from previous message, d'oh) In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. See also CT 1.2.x 1b which explicitly envisages this possibility: if we suspect that any contributed data is incompatible, (in the sense

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/16/11 10:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread TimSC
On 16/06/11 11:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 06/16/11 10:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 11:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean, how would one even *begin* to perform such a check, given that nobody is actually obliged to tell us

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/16/11 12:31, Dermot McNally wrote: Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean, how would one even *begin* to perform such a check, given that nobody is actually obliged to tell us what license

[OSM-legal-talk] CT/ODbl compatibility with the OS Opendata Licence

2011-06-16 Thread Andy Street
OSMF LWG, I have recently become aware of your announcement[0] regarding Phase 4 of your plan to re-licence contributions to OSM. Although I broadly support the principals of the new licence I have, so far, been unable to accept as there are certain provisions within the new terms which I am

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for further checks. No, that hasn't been the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey (continuing from previous message, d'oh) In the event of a future

[OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Hocking
Yes Steve - you're right. The For Clarity paragraph basically says that contributions from a mapper who hadn't accepted the CT and were derived from Nearmap prior to June 17th 2011 can stay in the data base and do not have to be deleted. They give no time limit or OSM-licence limitations on this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Ben Last
On 16 June 2011 14:48, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: That it was drafted, carefully, by a lawyer I do not doubt. But lawyers draft things on instruction to achieve particular goals. My understanding from Ben's comment is that one of the goals of nearmap is that derived works are

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag AND_a_nosr_p and source=AND?

2011-06-16 Thread Joseph Koshy
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AND Thanks, a reference has been added to the wiki page for 'Key:source'. -- Koshy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external CC-BY-SA,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Eric Marsden
rf == Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net writes: rf Sorry, you've puzzled me a bit here. rf You state that it's better to cite how much data would be deleted. rf However, that directly contradicts your previous paragraph, in which you rf quote, um, the number of users, not the amount

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of licensechange process

2011-06-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
This whole licensing process went way above the competence of the LWG, both in legal, management as in technical sense. As usual, these things will be worked out when the circumstances demand it. Just like in the old-fashioned do-ocratic way. Gert Gremmen

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-16 Thread Walter Nordmann
check the existance and/or access right to system table schema_info - has nothing to do with osmosis. regards walter - Wenn du den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht siehst, fälle die Bäume und du wirst sehen, dass da kein Wald ist. -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-16 Thread Walter Nordmann
did you create the schema? A schema creation script is available in the osmosis script directory. runnig this: pgsnapshot_schema_0.6.sql - Builds the minimal schema. pgsnapshot_schema_0.6_action.sql - Adds the optional action table which allows derivative tables to be kept up to date when

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/15 Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com * All such additions or edits submitted to OSM prior to 17 June 2011 may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. * I absolutely do

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: Hi Aevar, Out of curiosity, how do you derive stuff from a CC-BY-SA source without making a note of the source? I mean, the -BY- part means you have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance with their licence anyway... Here's one

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/06/11 08:17, Eric Marsden wrote: It's quite simple: I object to the OSMF using what I consider to be very misleading statistics in communication on the ODBL process. Michael Collinson's message can be interpreted as saying that 0.2% of users haven't accepted the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-16 Thread Zolt Egete
Hello I will check that, thanks for the suggestion On 6/15/2011 6:45 PM, Walter Nordmann wrote: check the existance and/or access right to system table schema_info - has nothing to do with osmosis. regards walter - Wenn du den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht siehst, fälle die Bäume und du

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-16 Thread Zolt Egete
Hello I have actually created a simple postGIS template and have created the database from it (using the postgis template), I have done this in order to be compatible with GeoServer I have not done any additional configurations as well as the database is concerned At the moment I am running

[OSM-talk] Anyone know where this city is?

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2501/sancturymap.png Seems to look like an OSM map to me, I don't have access to all credits, so no idea if it was credited or not.. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: ..the -BY- part means you have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance with their licence anyway... My understanding is that attribution is covered by the public attributions on this Wiki page:

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: the last time I read the CTs (which have several versions), there was a clear reference to me having the rights to the data and perpetually licensing those rights to another organisation That would stop me signing up

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know where this city is?

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
JohnSmitty wrote: http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2501/sancturymap.png Seems to look like an OSM map to me, I don't have access to all credits, so no idea if it was credited or not.. I'm pretty sure that's Google Maps in Lower Manhattan (completely sure about the location). -- View

[OSM-talk] OSM Uniteed State part 00 and part 01

2011-06-16 Thread Saphy Mo
* americas.osm.bz2.part.00 (3814.7M) * americas.osm.bz2.part.01 (2590.9M)Dears, on the website ' http://downloads.cloudmade.com/americas#downloads_breadcrumbs ' there are two files for USA. as part 00 and 01. But I don't know how should I combine them. Please let me know, what

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know where this city is?

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 20:37, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: JohnSmitty wrote: http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2501/sancturymap.png Seems to look like an OSM map to me, I don't have access to all credits, so no idea if it was credited or not.. I'm pretty sure that's Google Maps in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Uniteed State part 00 and part 01

2011-06-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 June 2011 11:44, Saphy Mo saphy...@yahoo.com wrote: americas.osm.bz2.part.00 (3814.7M) americas.osm.bz2.part.01 (2590.9M) Dears, on the website ' http://downloads.cloudmade.com/americas#downloads_breadcrumbs ' there are two files for USA. as part 00 and 01. But I don't know how

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Yes surely that is the situation - use the source tag when using something other than gps. I have accepted the ToC, TBH I really don't give a monkeys either way though have something of a preference for PD as it keeps life simpler, and I believe the small minority of OS OpenData I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-06-15 04:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: As far as I know, I have probably contributed data in the following circumstances: *Mapper A who has not accepted the change to ODbL drew two intersecting roads. *I note in person that there is a recently-added island-separated right-turn lane, and I

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-06-15 04:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: As far as I know, I have probably contributed data in the following circumstances: *Mapper A who has not accepted the change to ODbL drew two intersecting roads. *I note in person that there is a recently-added

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Andy Street
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:44 +0100, Andy Street wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will mean that anyone who has

[OSM-talk] walking papers

2011-06-16 Thread Douglas Musaazi
list admin, or any one...   Am Douglas from Kampala- Uganda (East Africa), am experiencing problems with the  www.walking-papers.org  site: it takes so long to make a print (download) for a specified area. Secondly, we had a mapping day event (www.mappingday.com) at Mountbatten

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-06-16 13:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-06-15 04:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: As far as I know, I have probably contributed data in the following circumstances: *Mapper A who has not accepted the change to ODbL drew two intersecting roads. *I note in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Groom wrote: However your argument above completely fails to refer to Clause 2 of the CT's (and Robert Whittaker wrote similarly) Yes. It's my belief that 2 onwards have to be read in the context of 1a/1b. There would be no point having 1a/1b if that were not the case; and my reading of

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Am 16.06.2011 06:13, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: What about the people who have declared their edits to be in the public domain? Setting PD flag without accepting OBL/DBCL/CT isn't possible in the moment (or did I miss a loop

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: How did you noticed that there is a right-way turn lane? Probably not by looking on the OSM map because then it would have been already there. So you have another source (local knowledge, bing, ...) from which you got the location of this way - you derived the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey David Groom wrote: However your argument above completely fails to refer to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread SteveC
So those guys put out a legal statement and an employee even gave you his interpretation on this list, which you can cite in court if you want. I think you're pretty solid and it feels like people are just looking for problems no matter what is done or said. :-( Steve stevecoast.com On Jun

[OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Hey, There are at least a few users who have disagreed to ODbL but are ok with PD (or CC0). Would it, in a ODbL OSM world, be possible to move their data out of current OSM and into a PD project and after that, reimport to ODbL OSM? In other words: For the most complicated example, a way

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is your choice. Not using a source tag when basing

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 15:34, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Could we then export change 2 to a PD database first and import that into ODbL OSM? Wouldn't it be much simpler for those users to simply accept CT? PD is a superset of CT and ODbL after all... Dermot --

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
No, it would be simpler for OSM. Regards, Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dermot McNally [mailto:derm...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:59 PM Aan: Floris Looijesteijn CC: OpenStreetMap Talk Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 16 June 2011 14:47, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it for OSM. The easiest way to do this is as I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you not contribute under the new CTs if you're willing to accept any

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If we convince them to release under PD, then we can take their work and then license it as ODbL, so not wanting their work licensed ODbL precludes releasing under PD. But then it would under the account / liability of

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On jeudi 16 juin 2011 at 10:20, Tom Hughes wrote : To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some actual numbers, straight from the database: Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 Users with edits who have not agreed:

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-06-16 15:48, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Andreas Perstinger wrote: How did you noticed that there is a right-way turn lane? Probably not by looking on the OSM map because then it would have been already there. So you have another source (local knowledge, bing, ...) from which you got

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Toby Murray-2 wrote: There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is your choice. Enforced may have been a poor choice of word. What I meant was that, as I understand it, there is no particular licensing requirement that every node/way derived

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-06-16 15:48, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Andreas Perstinger wrote: How did you noticed that there is a right-way turn lane? Probably not by looking on the OSM map because then it would have been already there. So you have another source (local knowledge,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/06/11 17:09, Renaud MICHEL wrote: On jeudi 16 juin 2011 at 10:20, Tom Hughes wrote : To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some actual numbers, straight from the database: Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 Users

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Kai Krueger
Tom Hughes-3 wrote: To inject some actual hard data into the conversation, here are some actual numbers, straight from the database: Users with edits who have agreed: 96917 Users without edits who have agreed: 104663 Users with edits who have not agreed: 86764 Users without edits who

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net: If there is just *one* single object near your way which isn't based on a ccbysa node/way, then you could always argue IMHO that you've measured the location of your way from this object (JOSM has a measurement tool with you can use for

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:55, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If we convince them to release under PD, then we can take their work and then license it as ODbL, so not wanting their work licensed ODbL precludes releasing under PD. Notwithstanding the fact that much of the reasoning here

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. There is no such thing as an enforced tag in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread David Earl
2011/6/16 Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net: If there is just *one* single object near your way which isn't based on a ccbysa node/way, then you could always argue IMHO that you've measured the location of your way from this object (JOSM has a measurement tool with you can use for

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: There are at least a few users who have disagreed to ODbL but are ok with PD (or CC0). From phase 4 on we only allow people to edit if they have agreed to the CT, so we'd definitely have to disable the account of that user. But since his data is available

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread SomeoneElse
On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. The problem with the changeset source tag is that there's no

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Renaud MICHEL wrote: Users with edits who have not agreed: 86764 Users without edits who have not agreed: 129406 When you write users who have not agreed, do you mean only those that have explicitly said no to the CT? Or do you include all the users who have not made a choice yet? The

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Thomas Davie schrieb: On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you not contribute under the new CTs if you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-06-16 18:51, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/6/16 Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net: If there is just *one* single object near your way which isn't based on a ccbysa node/way, then you could always argue IMHO that you've measured the location of your way from this object

[OSM-talk] bulk_upload.py consistently results in 500 server error

2011-06-16 Thread KKL Import
Hi all, I am doing a large upload (~600k nodes, ~4k ways, 280 relations) using the bulk_upload.py script. Up to some point everything was fine, all the nodes got uploaded, and also half of the ways, but then it started to return the 500 Internal Server Error message. Attached

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the other mappers in the areas he has mapped.

Re: [OSM-talk] source tags (was Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?)

2011-06-16 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 18:50 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-06-16 19:15, David Earl wrote: 2011/6/16 Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net: If there is just *one* single object near your way which isn't based on a ccbysa node/way, then you could always argue IMHO that you've measured the location of your way from this object (JOSM has

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Ed Avis
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab at gmail.com writes: I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external CC-BY-SA, and I can't now recall what they

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:49:36PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: additionally clicked the PD checkbox. It would be possible, from a database point of view, to set the PD option without setting the agreed to CT field. We should do this manually for those users who haven't agreed. In all other

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Simon Poole
I'm staying out of the discussion, just please remember the PD-checkbox has no legal meaning, as documented here: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F Any retroactive change just isn't going to work. Simon Am 16.06.2011 22:08, schrieb

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I am moving this over to legal-talk because that's where it belongs. Florian Lohoff wrote: This should have been an option right from the beginning. PD and ODBL/CT are non mutual exclusive options but the frontend makes it one - So i am unable to click on PD without accepting CT/ODBL

Re: [OSM-talk] bulk_upload.py consistently results in 500 server error

2011-06-16 Thread Mike N
On 6/16/2011 2:29 PM, KKL Import wrote: Up to some point everything was fine, all the nodes got uploaded, and also half of the ways, but then it started to return the 500 Internal Server Errormessage. I have seen this behavior once. A possible solution is to change the fragment to work

Re: [OSM-talk] bulk_upload.py consistently results in 500 server error

2011-06-16 Thread KKL Import
On 6/16/2011 2:29 PM, KKL Import wrote: Up to some point everything was fine, all the nodes got uploaded, and also half of the ways, but then it started to return the 500 Internal Server Errormessage. I have seen this behavior once. A possible solution is to change the fragment

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Matthias Julius
Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com writes: On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the

[OSM-talk] Something between a changeset and a comment

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Weait
Dear All, Have you ever wondered about a changeset comment from a particular mapper, but found that browsing through a changeset was a little more involved than you had hoped? Me too. I've always wanted some kind of a summary, of what is being done in a changeset, or various places. I still

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Dermot McNally schrieb: On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the other mappers in

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. Source is disputed? By whom?

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer Source is disputed? By whom? I've never heard any dispute about it? I put a source tag on every single object I create, and try and update it when I modify it. It is not completely useless but

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say yes to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
Steve Bennett wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments.

Re: [OSM-talk] Something between a changeset and a comment

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Coast
That's pretty. Make things clickable? Like the username? On 6/16/2011 2:07 PM, Richard Weait wrote: Dear All, Have you ever wondered about a changeset comment from a particular mapper, but found that browsing through a changeset was a little more involved than you had hoped? Me too. I've

[OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Coast
Hi I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. Please mail sco...@microsoft.com with the area in question (I'd love to accept bounding boxes but

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 14:09 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. There are numerous programs that exist which show

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2011 13:19, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: There are numerous programs that exist which show the density of mapping in certain areas.  Maybe it would be useful to find the more heavily mapped areas that dont have coverage? That's making assumptions that larger towns are

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:52 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 17 June 2011 13:19, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: There are numerous programs that exist which show the density of mapping in certain areas. Maybe it would be useful to find the more heavily mapped areas that dont have

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Dermot McNally writes: Wouldn't it be much simpler for those users to simply accept CT? No. Some guy is going around claiming that everyone who accepts the CT supports the licensng change and supports the CT and ODbL as the preferred licenses. Some people who do not are not comfortable signing

[OSM-talk] Source tags and changesets (was ... ODbL ...)

2011-06-16 Thread Ed Avis
Tobias Knerr osm at tobias-knerr.de writes: I put source tags on changesets now. That sounds like a great idea. (Does Merkaartor have support for this?) I do worry that people who've grown accustomed to seeing the tag on each object would be less happy at having to dig through the object

[talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Hocking
My understanding is that Nearmap wish all contributions to OSM, by any mapper who has agreed to the CT, derived from their imagery (before the 17th June 2011) to be able to be relicenced by OSMF under any licence it (OSMF) chooses at any time. However I also can't see exactly how the published

Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:12:24 +0800 James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Sadly, that's not how I understand it - particularly the terms in place between OSM and the individual ... at the relevant time. bit says to me that retrospective signing of the CTs to cover old

Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: the last time I read the CTs (which have several versions), there was a clear reference to me having the rights to the data and perpetually licensing those rights to another organisation That would stop me signing up

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