Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:02:14 +0100 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: 3) (ok, three things), there is no map hosted as fosm.org at the moment, there are people working on rendering (such as bigtincan) and I'm happy to encourage such diversity as it makes the project stronger. I'm trying to keep the

[talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
The quiet and languid mailing list of normally laid back Australians exploded into vitriolic exchanges after a non-Australian hijacked a thread on the list. A number of listees found themselves offended by rash statements and then attempts were made to claim that white was black and black was

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been banned or moderated. big snip of trash I've known them for a lot longer than

Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries

2011-06-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:32:58 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On 15/06/2011, at 3:15 PM, John Smith wrote: The current boundaries will be removed in the near future, so if I were you I wouldn't spend to much time fussing over them. Some of these boundaries have been edited

Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries

2011-06-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:10:47 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: And as they won't be pulled from fosm why should I be concerned? Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning? Not everyone here has decided to give up on OSM. I'm going to decide once I see what

Re: [talk-au] ODBL and real life...

2011-06-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:12:25 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: We have people subverting our CC-BY-SA license right now!!1! *zomg* And they wouldn't be abusing our ODbL license in future. Case: UN: http://www.unitar.org/unosat-releases-new-maps-over-haiti I viewed these

Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:12:24 +0800 James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Sadly, that's not how I understand it - particularly the terms in place between OSM and the individual ... at the relevant time. bit says to me that retrospective signing of the CTs to cover old

Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

2011-06-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:44:12 +1000 (EST) John Berkers be...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Hi, We've got a few roads around here (Narre Warren South/Lynbrook) that are split and not yet joined. One such road is Glasscocks Road, which runs from Dandenong Frankston Road, through through Lynbrook and

Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship

2011-05-17 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:53:42 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Sugar coat it all you want, but what action did you take against anyone else involved? Without wasting my time looking at the wiki this business is as well organised as a schoolyard Set of rules made by one group,

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-05-04 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 4 May 2011 20:29:22 +1000 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/05/2011 5:18 PM, David Murn wrote: Well, I have yet to hear any Australians complain about the freedom of the data, other than being incompatible with the new one-of-a-kind licence that OSM is wanting to use.

[talk-au] Barrier Reef Island Geographic Offset

2011-05-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
Brampton Island http://osm.org/go/vIwcP8wt- Also saw the same for Lady Musgrave Island. I've not made any alterations, because I do not have any idea whether the possibly traced outline or the ABS boundaries are correct. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-05-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:28:09 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 27 April 2011 05:42, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Wait, why did the Australian government stop using

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 01 May 2011 10:52:52 +1000 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have you ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed? For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit organisation in my

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:11:29 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: FOSM.org is hosted on a virtual machine of hypercube provided for XAPI. Without any explanation I was banned from the FOSM when I stated this. Regards Grant OSM Sysadmin team. Banned from the

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-04-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:17:33 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Unfortunately there are some very vocal (anonymous) members of the Australian community who seem intent on creating a virtual Us vs Them conflict in the community with exaggerated claims and mistruths. We

Re: [talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?

2011-04-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:24:09 +1000 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Using my australian test extract from 21/03/2011, I found that 3390 users have made edits in the area of interest (the Australian extract available on osmaustralia.org). Of these 3390 users, 536 have used the tag

[talk-au] Comment from another user looking at sign-up screen

2011-04-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
It asks you to agree. It doesn't ask you to accept or decline as you wish - and doesn't say what will happen if you decline. Contributor terms Please read the agreement below and press the agree button to confirm that you accept the terms of this agreement for your existing and future

Re: [talk-au] Does FOSM really work?

2011-04-24 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:58:08 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 April 2011 08:09, Kevin Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: I have tried to use FOSM but with no success. I have opened an account and logged in but none of the links seem to work with the

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-24 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:18:41 +1000 Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I hear that Kiwi OSM surveyors are having just as much trouble convincing OSM-F that their government too has done the due diligence on Creative Commons for geodata:

Re: [OSM-talk] the 70% , was Re: License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:43:06 +0100 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: We will not lose any data from these people whether they agree or not, so they're safe and should be counted in the stats. Are we counting humans or data? ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:06 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: One small plea: Could you refrain from saying the camp that wants to move to the ODbL. It sounds like it's a small bunch of people when indeed it is the overwhelming majority. well that's just meadowdust. The ODbL

Re: [OSM-talk] the 70% , was Re: License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:44:48 -0400 Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe he meant to imply that they would be automatiically marked as accepting; but rather that their acceptance or rejection wouldn't have a data impact. And thus the meaning of the question Are we counting

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:33:36 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: SteveC said he'd let me pilot his private jet if I say yes. As you are going to be waiting a long time to collect, could you actually explain why you have gone from being a Public Domain activist to an ODbL activist.

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:40:45 +0200 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written contract or a CopyPast thing ;) add Australia to your list of places

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
I know, English is not my native one, but how it is related with checkbox as agreeing with printed contract? When you check that box, you agree that contract is final and valid. If you don't want to acept the terms, you simply don't check it. Or I don't get secret lawyers language? :)

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: To answer my own question - I guess that 'reasonably calculated to make...' suggests you should include an attribution notice and ask downstream users to respect it - although it doesn't mandate any

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:49:19 -0500 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: As a side question: how many users still need to either accept or decline? A lot. If you look at the two files that I am using to pull data from, you will see the users_agreed.txt file has a header in it

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:29:29 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: This licence change now gives every mapper the means of undermining the map through withholding of their own data, once freely given and now very likely a foundation of data created by other mappers, also in good

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:11:11 +0200 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: Out of interest Grant, what

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:34:20 +1000 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 20:10 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source project to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:42:00 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 April 2011 08:31, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: So has anyone asked the FOSS gurus of licensing? I have never seen it mentioned while I was subscribed to legal-talk. I am quite prepared to start

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:02:16 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We have a situation where those who have spent time with it, and talked to lawyers and all, are positively sure that we do not have a working status quo. Doing nothing is not an option. In licensing terms, this house

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:20:27 -0400 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: I think Frederick gave you the best answer possible. It's not that the community was *asked* by some overarching committee, but instead that it just floated up. Like a turd in the toilet. Frankly, I never thought it would

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:50:03 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: If this is what you have been complaining about then you have half missed the point. There are people who have chosen NOT TO USE OSM because of legal ambigutity and points in the CC-BY-SA license which we

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 01:38:30 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: So I chose a slightly humorous response, treating Anthony as if he really were an innocent newbie. I didn't expect that I would have to explain the humour, but I guess I should have known better. Humour is quite

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:49:20 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war, Mitrovica

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:08:56 -0700 (PDT) ThomasB toba0...@yahoo.de wrote: Mitrovica was deleted by uboot http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7348595 could you please stop publicly blaming others for mistakes that you personally has made? ubot has deleted 15 ways and add some 60.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:36:34 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to fix this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. Bye Frederik Frederick, it has occurred to me that if you

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:36:55 -0400 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this occurred to me while surveying speed limits in a somewhat rural part of the US. are any of the routing engines looking at the surface tag as part of their decision making? i ask this because in NY, the

[talk-au] Fw: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction.

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
Someone local to this guy want to speak with him? Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:58:25 -0700 From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Hoping you can point me in the right direction. Original Message

Re: [talk-au] ABS CodePlay

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:21:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An Australian Bureau of Statistics initiative to help drive collaboration between students, developers and national and international statistical agencies. http://data.gov.au/2770/contest-abs-codeplay/ that

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:50:22 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. There are 2 distinct

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:10:19 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source project to have had to make these sorts of decisions. The OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:28 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: So by all means state your opinion and by all means share your opinions with other mappers. But if, once a consensus is clear, The Community comes out in favour of the change, many of us will think very ill of people

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
How else would you define the foundation? The OSMF is a not-for-profit company registered in England and Wales, the foundation has no paid staff and it is made up exclusively of unpaid volenteers. The OSMF board is made up of democratically elected volenteers. I am not an OSMF apologist,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:10:40 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We're not sacrificing countries. We saw that we have built our project on (legal) sand, and we're moving to rectify the situation. The patient may lose some tissue about this but he will live, and after the wounds

Re: [OSM-talk] stat pr0n

2011-04-13 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:53:51 +0100 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 13/04/11 15:01, Mikel Maron wrote: Sure. But I would love to see more detailed stats, and awards/badges integrated into user pages. There are easy ways to do this on non-osmf servers, and integrate into user pages.

[OSM-talk] Edit war, Mitrovica

2011-04-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
Mitrovica is in Kosovo. Kosovo and Serbia do not agree on Kosovo's independence. A particular mapper has deleted the city of Mitrovica from OSM (most edit wars change the names). It is alleged [#flossk] that this is the second time.

Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?

2011-04-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:22:49 +1000 Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to map some named reaches (straight portion of a stream or river, as from one turn to another;) part of a major river. The river (e.g.

Re: [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?

2011-04-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:23:57 +1000 {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote: Bearing in mind reach is also the nautical term for a tack, is it worth considering Andrew's source map might be documenting the lines of sailing between navigation markers (or indeed landmarks) which are no longer

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-08 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:58:04 +1000 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If you still consider importing this data without permission was in the best interest of the project, I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree. Others can make up their own mind. and we have had to edit

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:19:39 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 06:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why isnt

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:48:55 +1000 Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email, or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone? Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even through i'd put a note on

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:53:02 +1000 Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they think of

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT) All Blokes speed_13...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many but I was planning on getting right into it. I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on the side reading.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:30:29 +1000 {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst I agree / commiserate with your basic point (been there; done that; spent the fuel), don't you still have the raw traces from your device? I certainly do, and consider at no point have I ever given up my

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:27:57 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Also the locations have been fixed for numerous locations so if you ever get in contact with anyone please let them know about OSM having more accurate data than they offer, I think 30km out is still the worst case.

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:40:15 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 09:28, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: If the data owner doesn't grant permission under an acceptable licence then we shouldn't relying on one interpretation of very recent Australian

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:31:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com didn't write: (Michael Collinson did) For clarity: - This will only affect (77,000) contributors who registered before May 2010 and who have not accepted the new terms as part of the voluntary re-licensing program.

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-04-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:24:32 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: without their database (i.e. georeferenced images made available through the streetview api) you would never be able to find your house in billions of fotos, nor know where a certain foto was taken for

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-04-03 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 12:03:16 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/3 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net While I'm not in the habit of collecting information from Google StreetView, it is fair to say that if I go to the public library and in the thousands of volumes

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag for true OSM data?

2011-03-31 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:20:22 + (UTC) Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I think you can assume that if no 'source' tag is set, the feature is done by traditional OSM mapping (survey, or GPS trace, or local knowledge, or perhaps tracing from aerial imagery). The use or not of source was

Re: [OSM-talk] Analysing the OSM community

2011-03-28 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:32:21 +0100 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 28/03/2011 15:30, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: I found today this article A qualitative enquiry into OpenStreetMap making Author: Yu-Wei Lina *Single Article Purchase:* US$41.00 I didn't find the

Re: [OSM-talk] Analysing the OSM community

2011-03-28 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:09:30 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:32:21 +0100 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 28/03/2011 15:30, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: I found today this article A qualitative enquiry into OpenStreetMap making

Re: [OSM-talk] Analysing the OSM community

2011-03-28 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:07:25 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2011 12:26, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking as someone with a background in science I think I agree with Elizabeth's interpretation. I get the impression the study is much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-25 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:25:21 + Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 25/03/11 14:13, Simon Poole wrote: I've personally been in contact with quite active mappers that months after August 2010 didn't realize that they could actually sign up to the CTs (this includes mappers that

[OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
The LWG has posted draft minutes on the OSMF wiki. https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_109hj8txbg3 I hope there are no errors in these figures for later correction. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats the total number of users is approaching 375,000. From the LWG minutes, 163,732

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:01:43 +0100 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. Matthias The LWG minutes indicate that Mike is to ask the

Re: [OSM-talk] the coastline

2011-03-21 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:59:20 - Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: I'd place the coastline at the low water mark because you know then that its always true. The coastline at the high water mark is only true a couple of times a day or whatever. Then it needs a high_water_mark way

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:49:25 +0100 Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: We need a reliable process for dealing with these. Currently, the License Working Group has been doing some work but it feels that it is not dealing with the issues adequately and some issues not at all. What

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:13 +1100 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated:

[talk-au] Need a laff?

2011-03-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
If you need a laff, try the wiki page on countryside http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Countryside ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] GPS jamming

2011-03-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/11/3161861.htm ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 09:24:50 +0100 Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: Would you ask a question specific to the US on talk-au (or any other country-specific list)? Why do people have the impression that subsribing to legal-talk is somehow more difficult than subscribing to

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:23:22 +0100 ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: So the only situation I'd enforce a turn restriction in is when the road is tagged bicycle=lane. Otherwise I'd ignore it. I'm not sure in which country you are living, but in mine (au) a signed turn restriction applies to all

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:01:57 +0100 Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: All of the lists suffer from endless discussion of the same points with very little action ever occurring - and reading the amateur lawyers on legal-talk arguing with the professional lawyers is a form

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:34:17 +0100 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Anyway, just did a quick test ... I'm shocked. That's almost the exact route I took yesterday. Same test here and same result... The differences being the result of a couple of mistakes in

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:17:33 +0100 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: John, john whelan wrote: The intention is to try to understand a bit more about it. The legal-talk mailing list is an excellent place to ask questions about ODbL. Bye Frederik /sarcasm

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:36:32 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:12 AM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: very nice! I've checked some of my daily bicycle routes. Of four routes two are perfect, and two have become too long--obviously in favour of the use of

Re: [OSM-talk] Another large edit gone wrong (McDonald's)

2011-03-04 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:14:53 + Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: The name of the company is McDonalds, so anything belonging to them should be McDonalds's. The correct grammar for that would be McDonalds' ___ talk mailing list

Re: [talk-au] temp name change

2011-02-21 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
21, 2011, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:21:49 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, am I the only normal person on this email list? Steve everyone's odd except thee and me and even then i'm worried about thee

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:01:59 +0100 Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote: Which I think is basically why the airports import didn't get reverted. There was bad data but also a lot of good data and no better option for separating the two than just leaving it all in the map. This

Re: [talk-au] temp name change

2011-02-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:21:49 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, am I the only normal person on this email list? Steve everyone's odd except thee and me and even then i'm worried about thee sorry i can't recall the exact words of the quote nor do i know

[talk-au] temp name change

2011-02-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/18/3142067.htm anyone fixing this on the map? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:56:03 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:56:54 -0500 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Since giving long ground-level ways nonzero layers screws up every place they cross another way, it seems clear what should be done. -1 is used for rivers commonly over long distances where traced and no idea where

Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?

2011-02-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 18:07:48 +1100 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 00:04 +, David Groom wrote: I just want to draw attention to the survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/WFVK6XS , the link was mentionedn Richard Weait's email to this list on 1 Feb,

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:44:38 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/14 ed...@billiau.net:  I've been thinking about the 12nm territorial borders on sea that we have in many places, notably in Europe. Many of them seem to have been auto-generated by simply placing a

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:40 +0200 Ivan Petrushev ivanat...@gmail.com wrote: Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android? I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and really miss MapNav. Most of the android apps I've tried are really naive - there is a map,

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:05:15 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/15 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: 2) are the positions of the lines rated as to certainty? I know you are the man with the answer to every question, but you have missed one yes, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Path with Pit Stops

2011-02-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:33:52 +0100 Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name wrote: Is there some kind of application that can help me with plotting the smartest route in a set of points, if you're supposed to visit all the points? Imagine a salesman, who has to visit 10 locations. Is there some

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100 Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote: However: OSM data integrity is at stake, and you are endangering it, willfully and knowingly. While you seem to understand the reasoning behind the OSM contribution policy, you fail to obey it. You are

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:59:45 + Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 10/02/11 19:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100 Kay Drangmeisterk...@drangmeister.net wrote: Let's get this completely fair, and remove all the work of others who have been caught tracing

Re: [OSM-talk] What the license change is going to do to the map

2011-02-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:43:42 -0500 Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: But that's got nothing to do with the licensing change - that's an issue of you ripping off Google Maps. It has nothing at all to do with me ripping

[talk-au] time change on bing

2011-02-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
obvious time change between two sets of photos here http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2cp=-31.607381813961595~143.33909511566418lvl=17dir=0sty=hwhere1=Wilcannia%2C%20NSWq=Wilcannia%20NSW ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] (magical?) road detector

2011-02-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
I will be very happy to hear of any complaints/requests/places where you think the detector should work but it fails/any other feedback. Thanks, Ido I've made one attempt only at tracing a dirt road in dry country with the detector. I found its usefulness less than zero, as the

Re: [talk-au] Relicensing per changeset?

2011-02-05 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:45:52 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: A small thing perhaps, but the next step requested by the board prior to 31 March is Phase 3, which adds the decline option to the current accept option. I expect that the improved CTs (1.2.4) will be available at the

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:19:17 +0200 Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: For example, when you spider the web and find references to 5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need to travel all the way

Re: [OSM-talk] [OT] questionario su diritto d'autore nell'era digitale

2011-02-04 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:38:02 +0100 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com wrote: My spoken Italian is much better than my written Italian, which isn't any advertisement, so I used Google translate http://tinyurl.com/6emlz6h ___ talk mailing list

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