Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 July 2010 18:48, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: the project to the outside world. If you would ask ten people today what openstreetmap is about you would get ten different answers, that is what you can also see from this thread. If you asked those same 10 people what

Re: [OSM-talk] sotm2010 video stream?

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 July 2010 23:07, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: We are actually planning to do this again, but no guarantees, that's why it's not mentioned yet :) If they can't be streamed live, are they still going to be recorded? ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2010 05:51, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: If the river/road/... is the actual boundary, shouldn't the same way be used for both instead of having duplicate ways? I've seen this done in some places (Ohio IIRC) The boundary might be similar to other features, but unless you like

Re: [talk-au] no Maxspeed=* style sheet...

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
Due to popular demand this has been updated to include most common highway types instead of just residential/unclassified and similar types... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] no Maxspeed=* style sheet...

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
David Dean wanted to see areas already tagged with maxspeed=* so I created one based on the colours from the JOSM maxspeed style sheet: http://www.dstoecker.eu/josm/maxspeed.xml http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=12ll=-27.662,153.131layer=BFFFTFFF You may need to force a refresh, the JS

[talk-au] BMW augmenting gps with inertial navigation

2010-07-06 Thread John Smith
BMW has been working on augmenting GPS navigation for some time now, and it took another big step forward in recent weeks with the announcement of its Pathfinder microNavigation system. As the name suggests, that would supplement your basic navigation system with maps and directions for areas not

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 12:37, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Geocoding isn't freely available (unless your needs are small-scale). Housenumbers are the key to geocoding addresses, and without geocoding many useful applications of a map are lost, or at least made more difficult. So I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 10:45, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Generally speaking you could bot an area with the default speed limit then just tag the higher speed roads. You don't need to bot anything, you can easily do this sort of thing in JOSM... The bigger problem is how do you stop some

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 19:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually I don't understand why so many people complain about mapping trees. Trees have generally a longer life cycle than buildings. I like trees and I like to have them in the map. Why should I map postboxes? I hardly

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 08:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 3) use two separate relations (one amenity=school and one amenity=place_of_worship) that both have the building as the sole member. John might have further thoughts on this [IMHO very hacky] use of relations. Normally I might

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 17:39, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: The only reason you gave against creating multiple nodes was you didn't like it. Seems fine to me. Especially since the church and school in this case are not really co-located: the centre of the There is no church, they're using a

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 18:52, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: Depends on the definition of church. If you mean 'building with pointy roof' then no (although some church buildings don't have pointy roofs). If you mean the congregation then yes. Depends on what the map is being used for - if

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 19:09, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 05/07/10 17:49, John Smith wrote: There is no church, they're using a school hall for church based activities... church is a significant amenity provided by that building, surely. It is, by all accounts, a place of worship

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 20:06, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Which we're not. There is no on the ground rule, guideline, axiom, suggestion or anything. Can we stop using this non-existent guiding principle? Ok, if we're not tagging physical objects what are we tagging? The gold brick road to

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 20:21, ed...@billiau.net wrote: Interesting as the church as a building is a corruption of the original meaning I did try to make this point clear by stating organisation v building, however it's a little difficult to geographically map organisations, so all we're left with is

[talk-au] no Maxspeed=* style sheet...

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
As per David Murn's request/suggestion/wish for a no maxspeed layer similar to the noname layer, I made a overlay style sheet that shows ways similar to the noname style sheet, red lines, for ways that don't have a maxspeed=* value:

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 July 2010 02:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: What about.. draw the school as an area/building, then simply put a single node for place_of_worship in the hall, maybe with opening_hours or something similar. So if there is 10 uses/users of the hall, we need to place 10 nodes?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 18:28, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: It is because of other reasons that major companies are not using OSM. If companies already pay for data with more restrictive licenses than OSM offers, then I can only assume the license issue is just a sticking point

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 23:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree about the importance of being able to find a location via its postal address. One of the most frequent reasons for looking up a location on an online map is so you can find out where on a long street a particular

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 00:16, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: True, but paper maps are usually not printed at a scale where including street numbers are practical. Other than street directories? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 04:57, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: My personal opinion is that the strengths of OpenStreetMap lies in the large decentral knowledge. And I think it would make more sense to steer some of this local power in a certain direction. I consider it a waste of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 06:02, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal? There is fundamental differences between facilitating volunteers and running a

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 23:33, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: I'm planning to add a local church, but rather than having its own building, it meets in a local primary school hall. What would be the best way to tag this? It's not really a church if it's a school hall, the church (organisation)

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 19:50, Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com wrote: One possibility is to just use highway=link and then let the renderes sort out the rest. A link is after all just a link no matter what it It may not be possible for preprocessing or renderers to figure it out. connects, so there's

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 20:35, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 11:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like highway=primary/secondary/etc... I disagree that this is tagging for the renderer

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 20:39, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: license. In essence I would like to understand who is intended to benefit from a PD-license, mappers, consumers, developers, companies, data donors? I Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 21:14, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, I haven't suggested anything for *_link roads, I've simply disagreed with your assertion that our use of the highway tagging represents tagging for the renderer. On balance I tend to prefer links that know what type of road

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 21:30, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think any road can have a link road (trunk, primary, etc), especially any grade-separated crossings, which dont necessarily have to be motorway. For large intersections with separate slip-lanes, I often mark the slip lanes as

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 22:40, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there will always be cases that fit with one license type and don't fit with with other license types. It might also be that the majority of data donors

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 23:09, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different norms according to which they do so. By norms you mean making arbitrarily decisions on highways, rather than any kind of objective

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 4. It is my personal opinion that advocates of share-alike licenses are driven less by the desire to create something great, but more by the desire to ringfence, protect, defend what they think is their property against imaginary

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. Imports and government cooperation are not crucial to OSM's success. What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? If so government users should be given the same

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 July 2010 23:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people be

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 01:34, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 14:14, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 23:09, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 01:46, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days have quad cores, 6 or more gigs of memory and 64 bit operating systems, perhaps it might make sense to come up with a Windows stand alone solution and decentralise the server

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 01:56, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 16:54, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: All that has happened is the arbitrary decisions have been deferred to someone else, in this case some government entity... That doesn't mean highways are classified

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 02:07, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local user, not going cloud. For that specific problem you still have a large chunk of data to transfer before the local computer resource can do something useful

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 14:15, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2010 04:21, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Many users are only interested in the local city and not too worried about having the latest version of the map. People have used three year old printed maps quite

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 04:21, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Many users are only interested in the local city and not too worried about having the latest version of the map. People have used three year old printed maps quite happily for years and for foot, public transport and cycling a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 07:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic understanding: I haven't seen a common

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 July 2010 14:34, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: The point is that *no* major company actually said, 'if you switch to ODbL then we will use it', while it is a claim companies don't use OSM because of cc-by-sa. I don't see the problem solved, do you? I doubt I'd make it very

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 July 2010 18:55, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: In addition, it is clear that people are almost equally split between SA licenses and PD domain, and it would be difficult to achieve any kind of Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by...

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 July 2010 21:18, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, totally. And there are even people using osm2pgsql for processing non-OpenStreetMap data, so one of my projects is to try to remove all the hardcoded tags (from z-order calculations through to the type tag on relation handling

[talk-au] Local entity... again...

2010-07-02 Thread John Smith
These aren't official definitions and this isn't meant to be any kind of tax advice so always consult an accountant etc etc etc.. To clarify a few terms first, 'Tax Deductibility Status' (TDS) means any monetary donations enable the person or business donating to claim this on their personal of

Re: [talk-au] Local entity... again...

2010-07-02 Thread John Smith
Forgot to include this PDF I was sent: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/Water_Taxation_Win.pdf ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] LCA 2011 Call for papers is closing soon...

2010-07-02 Thread John Smith
If anyone wanted to do a paper at LCA2011 you'd better get in quick... http://kangawallafox.com/2010/07/02/lca2011-call-for-papers-approaches/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 16:17, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Rather, you want multiple ways to share a name. This does sound like a job for the renderer to me. Or you can help things out by putting the name into a relation and adding the segments of way as members...

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 17:59, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: This results in even more complicated situation and even more work to maintain such data. And even if do you follow this practice, there will still be huge amounts of legacy data which do not. I think if two streets share the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 19:16, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I've got situations where a side road name continues across a main road, and it looks distinctly odd (must happen all the time in grid You also get the situation where roads are broken by dual carriage way or other

Re: [OSM-talk] Web service with OSM contributor names + copyright

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 20:05, Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) j...@nutiteq.com wrote: contribution comes out, but in other regions you don't and we could increase number of mappers with some soft compensations which cost nothing and show appreciation to their effort. It could also lead people to do mass

Re: [OSM-talk] Web service with OSM contributor names + copyright

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 July 2010 21:11, Jaak Laineste j...@nutiteq.com wrote: Of course, this is the obvious risk here. There are probably foursquare users who are just adding fake venues just to get 1000 points per week etc. But we have simple solution for that: blocking. First user, then IP. Just like any

Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers

2010-07-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 July 2010 14:07, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: up till now, i've corrected mistakes as i've seen them, but he does so much it's become a hell of a job, and feels like pointless duplication of effort That's not helping him, generally if I spot mistakes I send a short email

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 76

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 June 2010 16:55, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote: However, I would not use 'unclassified' for the above reason nor 'residential' if there were no houses and it was rural rather than urban. I would normally go for track - but add sufficient further tags (tracktype= and/or

Re: [OSM-talk] Parks, Recreation Grounds, Sports Centers, and Pitches

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 08:30, Dylan Semler dylan.sem...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really not sure where recreation ground fits in and how it differs from a park. As mentioned in the discussion on the recreation ground wiki page[1], the fact that it is under landuse= whereas park and pitch are under

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 June 2010 23:18, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: I am not sure if it is an approved tag. Although I quite like the idea of it. If it serves a useful purpose and it doesn't duplicate the functionality of another tag already well used, then just use it, tags don't need to be official,

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 June 2010 11:55, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you actually going to put the fact that it is a State forest anywhere? Sure, landuse=forest is not a problem, but some sort of tag stating that it is a state forest (as opposed to private land) sounds appropriate. Most state

Re: [OSM-talk] rural highway tagging: residential or track

2010-06-28 Thread John Smith
You should have sent this to the tagging list... On 28 June 2010 21:08, Stan Berka stan.be...@gmail.com wrote: I have frequently a tagging dilemma. See this example: Coburn Rd on this location: http://osm.org/go/z...@yoeg-- (N of US 2). It was tagged as residential, but I've been there two

Re: [OSM-talk] rural highway tagging: residential or track

2010-06-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 21:27, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Unclassified with paved=no or surface=gravel? I was recently exploring Siberia (behind my computer!) and saw some primary roads where it was obvious from a website (by that mapper) that these were sand and dirt roads. So I wouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] rural highway tagging: residential or track

2010-06-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 22:12, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: track is more towards you better have 4WD and you ought to have a reason to be using this although these aren't hard rules. You can use normal cars on what I'd consider tracks, but they are usually a lot less maintained and are in

[OSM-talk] Centre for Spatial Law and Policy Launched

2010-06-28 Thread John Smith
The Centre for Spatial Law and Policy has launched. From the entry: The Centre for Spatial Law and Policy, a non-profit organization focusing on the legal and policy issues associated with the collection, use and distribution of spatial and location data, opened its doors in Richmond, VA today.

Re: [OSM-talk] wiki down ?

2010-06-28 Thread John Smith
On 29 June 2010 14:33, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: I can not get onto any wiki page. Any problems ? From what I've been able to gather it's been down for an hour or so. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 01:38, Johnny Rose Carlsen o...@wenix.dk wrote: Hi Alan, It's a siren, they are pretty common in Denmark. In Denmark they are used as part of a general warning system, I don't know the use of the sirens in your area. Similar things exist in various places for tornado

Re: [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
I just found a site that lists the location of their tornado warning sirens... http://www.springfield.il.us/Safety/Fire_Dept/Sirens.htm Their larger map doesn't look very nice, maybe someone could do up a better OSM based image to offer to them :) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Tsunami warning siren?

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 14:32, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: There was some discussion about them on the talk-us mailing list back in May: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-May/003230.html I noticed during that discussion there was talk about homeland security and some

Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 27 June 2010 17:51, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: Fair enough. However, I think it's out of date enough that you could just make the changes anyway. It will probably spur some Sydneysiders to then tidy it up. This thread prompted at least one person to update their info a

Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 08:16, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: Like this ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.7127lon=150.4666zoom=15layers=000BFTF/dirty I filled in all the streets in this area back in April. As David wrote, you need to view the individual tiles and add dirty to the end:

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 June 2010 10:24, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Current practice seems to be tagging them all as boundary=national_park, regardless of whether they're National Parks or other things like State Forests. Would adding national_park=state_forest and similar to the tags be a

Re: [talk-au] Sydney Wiki page actively discourages mapping pubs

2010-06-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 June 2010 00:08, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: With the high res Nearmap imagery, the places to go are between Penrith and Blacktown. At least half of those suburbs still need their residential streets named. Perhaps we should use it to suggest places for people to go if

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 16:10, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I think you misunderstand my proposal. I agree that is_in is redundant and should not be added to the map. As you say, it can be derived from admin boundaries. However, not every programmer might want to have to download all the admin

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 20:23, Chris Jones roller...@sucs.org wrote: Any overhead is typically a percentage of the stored data for indexes and such, you cant just magically get rid of it! I was under the impression that it was incremental data from minutely updates...

[OSM-talk] Russia becoming more open with mapping?

2010-06-25 Thread John Smith
Mapping and cadastral information for Russia have not previously been openly and freely available. These products were edited, cen­sored often and in many cases the work was simply not completed, thus the framework for building a modern digital cadastre system did not exist. Times change and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2010 23:00, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Can I see some documentation on this theft? Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for the people selling them, and see what happens? You do realise DCMA is only for sites hosted in the US

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:22, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: And I still haven't read why you think this is better, apart from rendering issues. As Andy said, the burden of demonstrating the goodness of a change is up to who wants to make that change. I've been following this thread and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: overall disk use ~ 130 GB and growing about 2.5 GB/week at the moment. Is there a way to reduce this overhead without re-importing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 02:59, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: download a section of map. As well as taking care of the different kinds of link road, these could also provide 'is_in', 'leading_to' and 'dead_end' for dead_end can't be guessed at, it could be bad mapping, is_in is redundant, you can

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2010 04:37, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand your question. Over time, the overhead increases, not just the amount of data. You can import a bounding box or extract and have smaller tables. You can import without --slim, if you have the hardware for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2010 21:29, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I'm not going to start an edit-war, I'd prefer someone with the proper rights to revert that edit. Then we can start discussing the matter, and file bugs where needed. What are these proper rights to which you refer? The page isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 June 2010 00:13, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Without attempting to express much of an interest in tagging discussions, it would be great if you were to use the word sidewalk to describe the paths-along-the-edge-of-roads. The word footway might footpath=* :)

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2010 19:39, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: The best work on the SRTM data is probably by Sean Williams (Dooghan) on gpsaustralia.net. He has created Garmin IMG files with 5m contours, though with 90m data, 5m is pretty optimistic. Looks nice though.

Re: [talk-au] Qld State Controlled Roads data

2010-06-23 Thread John Smith
I've just updated the wiki and the data file on the server to include operator=mainroads.qld.gov.au this way we can track the number km of roads that are state or local for statistical purposes. I also updated the wiki and the data file yesterday after getting advice on proper attribution.

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 16:11, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: If historical data is really desired then it seems like there need to be some features added to support it. By default historical data should obviously not be rendered but it also shouldn't even show up in By default things should

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 21:03, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: And exactly how do you propose that we get accurate coordinates for the positions of streets in 1665 other using a modern surveyed overlay? I don't think Samuel Pepys supplemented his diary with GPS derived WGS84 coordinates. :-)

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding relation members in osm2pgsql PostGIS database?

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 June 2010 01:15, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: I've got a PostGIS database created and maintained with osm2pgsql. For some of the Mapnik rendering I'm doing, I'd like to see whether ways belong to relations. (Specifically, whether a highway=* way is a member of a route=road

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: It does look like the data is from about 10 to 15 years ago. Could I use this data instead. https://www.ga.gov.au/products/servlet/controller?event=GEOCAT_DETAILScatno=64459 I couldn't see where to download it, the files some times

Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 22:12, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote: There seems to be an unintended side effect to this statement: The maritime borders are 12nm out to sea from the coastline. That is the general case, but in Qld I think it's 12nm from the edge of the barrier reef... Bass Strait seems

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 19:43, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: The data is part of the GIG Dataset - 250K scale Follow this link and choose Topography with Innamincka as an example for the keyword and press show me results. I can't comment about all datasets, but I downloaded that particular

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 June 2010 05:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this website is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Australia Licence. You will need to tag at least all ways with: source=Geoscience Australia

[talk-au] Qld State Controlled Roads data

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
Recently David Dean asked for some data and he was given access to it with a favourable license (cc-by). This dataset only covers Qld Govt funded roads, this doesn't include local government roads. While there was additional information attached to the data, it was mostly internal references so

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 17:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alex S. m...@swavely.com wrote: Some would like to see it kept and marked historical, but deleting ways Oh? Could you elaborate? Some people would like to be able to map the 4th dimension

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 21:19, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: It might be better to tag all the roads which are known to be good and safe for cyclists to use. Perhaps cycle=recommended might be a good tag. Black and white rarely exist in the real world, you'd need some kind of scale so routing

Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 14:11, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/20/2010 11:40 AM, John Smith wrote: If you've made the changes you were going to make, then go for it, anyone that was going to comment would have by now. Your timing uncanny. I just finished typing wiki entry: http

Re: [talk-au] Australian Timezones

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 16:59, rran...@ihug.com.au rran...@ihug.com.au wrote: The TZ files installed are compiled. I looked at the Australian source file in the tzdata source. I have attached this file. It is not primary source, but I have found it to be accurate. Thanks for that...

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 21:05, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: I am interested in adding some of the lakes and creeks in the national parks to OSM. Just to confirm this source to be ok to use. The data doesn't belong to ga.gov.au, they link to psu.edu and on that page it says the data is quite out

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 21:24, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The data doesn't belong to ga.gov.au, they link to psu.edu and on that page it says the data is quite out of date, did you look at the rivers/streams data from data.australia.gov.au? The dataset I was thinking about only covers

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
Pity it's not going to be available for some time... Germany's new TanDEM-X radar satellite is scheduled to lift off from Baikonur Cosmodrome at 04:15 Berlin time on 21 June — that's 10:14 pm Eastern today (20 June). Flying in close formation with its twin satellite, TerraSAR-X, TanDEM-X will

[talk-au] ABC national radio interview...

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
David Dean did a follow-up interview on ABC national radio this morning: http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2010/06/open-street-maps.html You can listen to the interview online and the interview last year: http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2009/05/make-your-own-m.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 06:17, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: At the very least some sort of note=* explaining *why* the road is considered hazardous would be nice. There is various organisations that label tracks as various difficulty levels, maybe there is an organisation that has come up with a

Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?

2010-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2010 20:04, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: The only DEM that I know about is the 9second product from Geoscience Australia - http://www.ga.gov.au/meta/ANZCW0703011541.html It does cost $100 and probably has some stringent use/distribution limitations. You want the

Re: [talk-au] ABS data and new license

2010-06-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 June 2010 22:19, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: no I don't know the licence asks for attribution but whether the new proposed new system is going to provide appropriate attribution? The new license has a requirement for attribution so I don't think that's a problem. I think cc-by is ok,

[talk-au] Tasmania imagery

2010-06-19 Thread John Smith
Craig pointed to me to this site: http://www.thelist.tas.gov.au/listmap/listmap.jsp?cookieteststate=checkllx=13.0lly=5116000.0urx=712000.0ury=5662000.0layers=268 Which was in relation to better DEM information, but they also have half decent aerial imagery for most of the state, however the

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