it
was never intended to do.
And then an editor would say Gee, this State Forest isn't in OSM.
That's wrong. I'll add it. So then why should his data be in OSM
but not the DEC's data?
My feeling is that if an editor would add it, and we have it, then we
should head them off at the pass.
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that
Oh, yeah, that was wrong, wasn't it? moment.
I maintain that it would be totally inacceptable to OSM to
automatically
revert changes to objects that are deemed immutable.
What about objects which were created_by=Potlatch? :-)
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specific needs in
mind, so if the first published version doesn't meet our needs, we can
go back to the well and ask for a revision. But until the ODbL is
finished, we're spinning our wheels. Can we assume that the lawyers
understand the problem and are working on a solution?
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approved Open Source licenses at least twice, and
I lived through it. if you call this living, of course. I could be a
zombie, and how would you know??
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point from above is that the barrier between the two is not
hard and fast.
did you come out of steve's evil basement portal of dooom? :-P
I don't understand why people think steve has an evil portal of doom
in his basement. It's in his attic.
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specific needs in
mind, so if the first published version doesn't meet our needs, we can
go back to the well and ask for a revision. But until the ODbL is
finished, we're spinning our wheels. Can we assume that the lawyers
understand the problem and are working on a solution?
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if thats in his attic, what were all those ghastly and inhuman screams
coming from his basement?
Oh, that's from the people who've ridden home with him in the back
seat of his convertible.
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short a time before switching to the new license --
NOR too long a time. For better or worse, pro-bono lawyers are like
open source programmers -- you can't make them work on a schedule.
They work until they're satisfied with the result.
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a virus
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try to take data outside the community, you
voluntarily separate yourself from the community (note: the Amish
don't kick people out when they shun them -- they note that the person
has separated themselves from the community -- and the community
responds in turn).
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On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
Russ Nelson schrieb:
[...], or your email address
stops working, you waive all right to ownership of your edits.
Probably about as legally binding as posting a note on the site that
says By reading this you agree to sacrifice your
I see your point. Data potentially infringing if removed now could be
recreated now, making later bookkeeping easier.
On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Russ Nelson wrote:
I don't see much value in removing the data now on the chance that
we might have
to remove
party infringing two
copyrights.
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any other kind of legal change, we have a defensible legal position
for those people whose edits have, or become, anonymous.
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these dates on your calendars! I'll send out a reminder
the week of each party.
Pittsburgh: March 7th and 8th
Philadelphia: March 14th and 15th
(API transition weekend)
New York City: March 28th and 29th
Baltimore: April 4th and 5th
(Easter weekend)
Boston: April 18th and 19th
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like the guy in Buffalo.
There is no way to stay away from the line.
On Feb 26, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:29:20PM -0500, Russ Nelson wrote:
On Feb 26, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
Because the legal jurisdiction in which OSM
On Feb 26, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 05:29:21PM -0500, Russ Nelson wrote:
Please read the NASA Open Source License. In it you will very
clearly
find the position that FedGov-produced works are not copyrightable
FOR
US CITIZENS. That license
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could be spent more profitably elsewhere. Does
anybody (/me looks at crschmidt) know if it's coming from MassGIS or
TIGER?
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If you're interested in receiving US mapping party invitations, you
should be sure to subscribe to talk...@openstreetmap.org:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
If you're not there, you've been missing a lot of activity!
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, though, so please come any time that's convenient for
you. The rest of the details:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Baltimore
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Hey there everyone. I'm running a mapping party in Baltimore on
February 28th and March 1st. It's being held at Red Emmas,
http://www.redemmas.com/ from 10AM to 4PM. I'll have GPS receivers to
loan out to people. We can go out, map, come back, and have a good
time.
suggest that SteveC create, and the board use, an special user named
OpenStreetMapFoundation, so that people will recognize that all OGD
blog entries from that user are official OSM announcements. Does that
leave anyone unsatisfied?
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that
already?
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, and havent had time yet...
GPL is a licensing scheme, and has nothing to do with sourceforge.
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. And store names, and street numbers, and municipal
buildings. And the list goes on and one.
I know it's Valentine's day. Bring your honey with you! It's a party!
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boston for the details.
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* the public domain merely because you claim that
you have a copyright on it. You only have a copyright on your
creative works; not the public domain.
I may be wrong; I'm not a lawyer; this isn't legal advice.
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, always. If
this would-be user put the road in a slightly wrong place, but with
the correct road name, someone who came along afterwards with a GPS
receiver could see that the road is misplaced, and could move it.
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for more expectations.
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. Plus they have no contributor agreement
(last time I checked), so they don't own the data they've collected.
It's a horrible bodge, but we can definitely take some usability ideas
from them. They didn't acquire 9M POIs by being hard to use.
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to criticism. All of
these are protected uses of a copyrighted work.
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I've set up mapping parties in Boston and NYC:
This weekend in Boston (2/14-15 -- bring your honey out for a romantic
mapping walk / ride / drive on Valentine's Day):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boston
and next weekend in NYC (2/21-22):
-server that applies the minutely diffs
and re-importes the planet lets say once a month?
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It seems to work for them. I think it's a good idea for us.
On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:57 AM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote:
Soyour point being?
Are you giving Pro, Contra, an offer to help
or a helpful suggestion?
Marcus
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to
demonstrate that you are actually being funded by the public (as
opposed to a rich dude who wants some place to dump his excess
money). much more onerous describes it very well.
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doesn't mean
a damn.
Is there any voluntary community in which this does not happen? There
will always be people who have good ideas who are unable to convince
other people of the correctness of their ideas. See, for example,
Galileo.
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I have mapping parties booked for the following cities:
1/31: Potsdam, NY (a practice party in my hometown)
2/14: Boston, MA (technically Somerville, but it's on the T)
2/21: New York, NY
Where should I go next? I have Baltimore, Philadelphia, and
Pittsburgh on my plate. Anybody wanting me to
as potential names?
That points to using nameEN for the English name of a city, and
nameDE for the German name of the same city, etc.
Or should that be name:EN and name:DE?
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(presuming that the user who edited it didn't delete the import
tags). Otherwise, the problem devolves to duplicate data entry, which
is a problem we need to solve regardless (e.g. Poughkeepsie, NY got
mapped, and then overlaid by the TIGER import).
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. Will have GPSes to loan out, I have a laptop for
editing, will give a presentation on OSM, and the cafe has free wifi.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potsdam,_New_York
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boston
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Isn't that the function of openstreetbugs? Perhaps if you don't know
the size of a town, it should be marked there as Please correct the
place tag, currently set to village.
On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Upliner Mikhalych wrote:
2009/1/21 22:53 Russ Nelson::
Don't
sweat the small stuff
can't get it to happen again.
I suggest not worrying about it until a reproducible test case comes
along. Mine isn't. :(
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they
won't render on a large scale map. Sooner or later somebody who lives
there will notice their town is missing, and will set the correct size.
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, and will correct it.
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I started in on a template for the use of mapping parties. It needs
improvement. Email your suggestions directly to me (happy to do the
edits and track down the details), or just edit the wiki page yourself:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Party_Template
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. At $9 a pop, he's not excited
about too many experiments.
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for that weekend, but it's my birthday anyway, so
perhaps I should stay home and have a quiet birthday party? I'm
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details left for speculation by the reader).
(Maybe it already does this, and it isn't working properly for
Potlatch for some reason. I haven't looked at the source or the API
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Sam Vekemans writes:
What this did was sparked some major issues that need to be addressed.
I think this is more important, than going deeper on that rant.
I'm new to the innards of OSM, so I may be saying something stupid or
obvious. Just step on me if I am.
OSM already contains two kinds
Sam Vekemans writes:
What this did was sparked some major issues that need to be addressed.
I think this is more important, than going deeper on that rant.
I'm new to the innards of OSM, so I may be saying something stupid or
obvious. Just step on me if I am.
OSM already contains two kinds
Scott Atwood writes:
Actually, I've been hesitant to speak up on Talk-us about strictly local
issues, because I didn't want to fill others mailboxes with noise that they
don't particularly care about. I rather like the idea of having a separate
list, so we can talk about local issues
Sarah Manley writes:
share them with Talk-us. But I thought it would be helpful to have a
localized list that doesn't crowd talk-us with city specific details.
I appreciate that you're trying to be polite, but in my experience,
it's better to wait until people start to complain about the
Alex Mauer writes:
Of course, it doesn't help that most (all?) rail lines are posted no
trespassing...
M, no, more than that. Often a state will have a law that says
posted or not, no trespassing on railroads. The problem is that
it's simply NOT possible to physically keep people off
Joseph Scanlan writes:
enough, I found railway=rail and service=spur but no railway=spur.
Perhaps we should do an automated conversion of railway=spur into
railway=rail+service=spur? It would mean no editing in the case of an
actual spur, and for anything else, it would mean changing only one
Nathan Mixter writes:
Has anyone had any experience with importing state GIS data?
Ugh, I wish! New York State uses this weird GIS Repository thing.
Data checks in and it never checks out. Members of the repository
(nonprofit and municipal only -- all others stay home) agree to share
data
Nick Hocking writes:
Can you confirm that any bulk upload of Tiger 2007 date will not erase or be
overlaid over/under/alongside any existing user edits.
I'm not Dave, but I'm quite sure that 1) he won't be smashing any user
edits, and 2) I don't support the smashing of my edits either. I've
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