Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-16 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 16/03/2015 00:16, Rob Nickerson wrote: Not necessarily as fixing the tag could also result in the data being rendered therefore making it more visible for people to come in and fix (if a local community of OSMers exists). Other non-destructive actions might me to include key capitalisations

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/16/2015 08:54 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: I've found a dozen really incompetent imports by following up on oddities in Taginfo. Simply fixing the tags would do nothing but mask the bad data. It would allow me to actually find the stuff that really wrong. As it stands now I'm not

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-16 Thread Andreas Goss
I've found a dozen really incompetent imports by following up on oddities in Taginfo. Simply fixing the tags would do nothing but mask the bad data. It would allow me to actually find the stuff that really wrong. As it stands now I'm not going to waste my time fixing 200 capital language

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-15 Thread Andreas Goss
But we were never talking about such changes. We were talking about changing Highway=footway into highway=footway. On 3/14/15 23:32 , SomeoneElse wrote: On 14/03/2015 21:48, Andreas Goss wrote: Just because people some people make bad decisions when mapping, doesn't mean that the whole

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-15 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I've found a high correlation between misspelled tags and bad tagging. The onsey twosey tags with letters transposed are usually OK. But those where the same error appears on a dozens or more nodes usually have other far worse problems. Please do add case mismatched tags to something like

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-15 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: But we were never talking about such changes. We were talking about changing Highway=footway into highway=footway. That's exactly what's under discussion. Automated changing of tag X into Y misses something. Very often

[OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-15 Thread Rob Nickerson
Simply fixing the tags would do nothing but mask the bad data. Not necessarily as fixing the tag could also result in the data being rendered therefore making it more visible for people to come in and fix (if a local community of OSMers exists). There are arguments on either side but I do feel

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-15 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The API could also impose some rules, and reject certain malformations at time of upload. This would at least alert the uploader, even if they just paper over the problem later. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
So what about keys like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4223325/history With non-English components after the colon. Should these be encouraged? Discouraged? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/14/2015 02:34 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: And how many mappers would actually bother to check something if they spot it? I think a huge majority would just change ToiletS to toilets, so I doubt a bot would be much worse. A bot would perhaps not be much worse, but still a bad idea; it

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread JaggedMind
Changing spelling and/org cases via the API causes another entry in the database. A history entry gets created for each change. Changes like that should be done at the database level with a simple update statement. Not sure how much the DBAs would hate to do this due to tracking changes made at

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Andreas Goss
Just because people some people make bad decisions when mapping, doesn't mean that the whole project has to lower its standards. And some people in this case are what? 99%? I seriously there are many people who would spend a second though when changing Toilets= __

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/03/2015 21:48, Andreas Goss wrote: Just because people some people make bad decisions when mapping, doesn't mean that the whole project has to lower its standards. And some people in this case are what? 99%? I seriously there are many people who would spend a second though when changing

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/14/2015 10:48 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: And some people in this case are what? 99%? I seriously there are many people who would spend a second though when changing Toilets= The discussion was about ToiletS, not Toilets. As far as I am concerned, I would either not be interested (and

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Warin
On 14/03/2015 5:49 PM, Jochen Topf wrote: On Sa, Mär 14, 2015 at 09:24:20 +1100, Warin wrote: Are not 'keys' always lower case? Thus any upper case there can be changed into lower case without loss of data? Tags are much more varied than you might think. And then some. See here for some stats:

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sa, Mär 14, 2015 at 09:24:20 +1100, Warin wrote: Are not 'keys' always lower case? Thus any upper case there can be changed into lower case without loss of data? Tags are much more varied than you might think. And then some. See here for some stats:

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Andreas Goss
And how many mappers would actually bother to check something if they spot it? I think a huge majority would just change ToiletS to toilets, so I doubt a bot would be much worse. At least it would encourage me to work on that key overview, because after 10min last week I gave up, because it

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-13 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fr, Mär 13, 2015 at 07:17:01 +, Malcolm Herring wrote: I found several cases of a key being duplicated with various capitalisations: instead of this they are mostly like This or THIS. Could somebody make a bot to clean these? Please don't. Read the end of

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-13 Thread Warin
On 14/03/2015 2:57 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: On Fr, Mär 13, 2015 at 07:17:01 +, Malcolm Herring wrote: I found several cases of a key being duplicated with various capitalisations: instead of this they are mostly like This or THIS. Could somebody make a bot to clean these? Please don't. Read

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-13 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
A case fix is perfectly safe, except when it's not. A crummy import may have brought ToiletS=yes. But it might not mean the same thing as toilets=yes. On occasion there will be a Tag=foo and tag=fum the same object. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-13 Thread Malcolm Herring
I found several cases of a key being duplicated with various capitalisations: instead of this they are mostly like This or THIS. Could somebody make a bot to clean these? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Taginfo challenge

2015-03-13 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! One week after my taginfo challenge we have a visible dent in the number of of keys as you can see here: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/reports/historic_development But it looks like the work is already stalling. Maybe it is because everybody is at FOSSGIS conference this week? Keep up the