Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/19 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Thomas Davie writes:   On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Russ Nelson wrote:   can Ken assign copyright in the logo to OSMF.     He can, but I see no reason why he should (other than if he   particularly wants to).  The point of the licensing of this project

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread Russ Nelson
j...@jfeldredge.com writes: 2011/5/17 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: If you don't restrict use, you don't have a trademark -1, you have a trademark when it is registered. This has nothing to do with whether you enforce restricted use or not. You can at any time restrict the use. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Russ Nelson wrote: can Ken assign copyright in the logo to OSMF. He can, but I see no reason why he should (other than if he particularly wants to). The point of the licensing of this project is for people to get credit for what they did, I don't see why Ken should

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com: I think we should also see our trademarks as an indicator of free content. So any product that overlays non free content onto the map should be disallowed from using our trademarks. That should exclude most ad supported products (as ads are typically non

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread Russ Nelson
Thomas Davie writes: On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Russ Nelson wrote: can Ken assign copyright in the logo to OSMF. He can, but I see no reason why he should (other than if he particularly wants to). The point of the licensing of this project is for people to get credit for what they

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: If you don't restrict use, you don't have a trademark -1, you have a trademark when it is registered. This has nothing to do with whether you enforce restricted use or not. You can at any time restrict the use. But all is not lost. It's still licensed

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Because trademark law is a different and parallel universe to copyright law. I am not a lawyer, but I'll explain it a little bit. Trademark law only restricts what you can do to sell your product or otherwise attract

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-17 Thread john
they took no action when competing companies used the term yellow pages, the term can now legally be used by anyone. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app? From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Tue May 17 04:40:29 America/Chicago 2011

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/15 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: On 14 May 2011 22:46, Yann Coupin y...@coupin.net wrote: Hi, Just spotted that new app which is using osm's logo as the app's icon. I'm pretty sure this is unlicensed use and it should be taken down but I don't know who should start the

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 May 2011 13:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: is there a text similar to the tile usage policy (logo usage policy)? No, there is no formal policy document. There was discussion of adopting http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy or similar when the

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
What I appreciate is that our logo is honouring the traditions. See the old ArcView logo http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/62c0d25d4cb10b38 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: On 16 May 2011 13:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: is there a text similar to the tile usage policy (logo usage policy)? No, there is no formal policy document. There was discussion of adopting

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 May 2011 14:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/16 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: On 16 May 2011 13:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: btw.: is there a text similar to the tile usage policy (logo usage policy)? No, there is no

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: On 16 May 2011 14:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an informal policy? If I am displaying an OSM based map, am I generally entitled/allowed to use the logo (OSM inside) in my application / on my website?

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Josh Doe
Can someone explain to me how OSMF can restrict usage of the logo if it's CC-BY-SA? Or rather, if the original logo had a more restrictive license (and copyright was owned by OSMF), and this logo is clearly a derivative work, then this new logo can't be CC-BY-SA, can it? -Josh On Mon, May 16,

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Steve Coast
Because trademark law is a different and parallel universe to copyright law. I don't know, but I don't think we particularly want to restrict use in the strict sense. Trademark law is designed to do exactly what people here have mentioned and not let someone use our logo to confuse the public

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread Russ Nelson
If you don't restrict use, you don't have a trademark, you just have a pretty picture. It would be hard to say that the OSMF controls the quality of the goods and services that the logo marks. Given the modified versions that have floated around over the years, the OSMF doesn't seem to care about

[OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-14 Thread Yann Coupin
Hi, Just spotted that new app which is using osm's logo as the app's icon. I'm pretty sure this is unlicensed use and it should be taken down but I don't know who should start the dialog with the dev and/or apple. App link : http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/hvor-er-jeg/id434211669?mt=8 Yann

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 May 2011 22:46, Yann Coupin y...@coupin.net wrote: Hi, Just spotted that new app which is using osm's logo as the app's icon. I'm pretty sure this is unlicensed use and it should be taken down but I don't know who should start the dialog with the dev and/or apple. App link :