Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread Christian Quest
I that case nodes are not shared by the ways, but are duplicate (same lat/lon) and as Clay mentionned, this will ring some other alarm.. I would move one of them a little bit to avoid it. 2013/1/10 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com: Can I ask for some clarification on what is meant by

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Christian Quest wrote: I that case nodes are not shared by the ways, but are duplicate (same lat/lon) and as Clay mentionned, this will ring some other alarm.. I would move one of them a little bit to avoid it. I can understand why you're saying this, but isn't education of remote fixers that

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread Christian Quest
2013/1/10 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: Christian Quest wrote: I that case nodes are not shared by the ways, but are duplicate (same lat/lon) and as Clay mentionned, this will ring some other alarm.. I would move one of them a little bit to avoid it. I can understand why you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread John F. Eldredge
Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: I that case nodes are not shared by the ways, but are duplicate (same lat/lon) and as Clay mentionned, this will ring some other alarm.. I would move one of them a little bit to avoid it. 2013/1/10 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com: Can

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread Cartinus
The nodes don't have (and don't have to have) a layer tag, the way does. On 01/10/2013 10:43 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: I that case nodes are not shared by the ways, but are duplicate (same lat/lon) and as Clay mentionned, this will ring some

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-10 Thread Rob Nickerson
It sounds like some programmer forgot to allow for the fact that we live in a three-dimensional world. No, no. The nodes hadn't been properly unglued and hence the fixing tool flagged the ways as duplicate. I'm going to restore the way but make sure the nodes are not shared (connected) this time.

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Jo
You can use the layer tag on one of both ways. It probably also needs bridge=yes. Jo 2013/1/9 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Hi List, If I have a situation (e.g. a 2 level carpark) where a road runs exactly above another road, how do I map this? Currently I used layers but I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Cartinus
Hello, You can simply revert the other mappers changeset or redraw the way, as you mapped it right. Adding a bridge tag would be wrong as there is no bridge. It probably helps to message the other user what you are doing and why. On 01/09/2013 08:38 PM, Jo wrote: You can use the layer tag on

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi, I used the layer tag, but not bridge (as its a carpark not a bridge) but because the way shares nodes with the way one layer down, it seems to be flagged as duplicate and deleted by other mappers. For example, in the following car park, cars enter up the ramp on to level 1. There is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Cartinus
Hello, The ways should be on top of each other, but they should _not_ share all nodes. Only the nodes at the ends where they connect in the real world should be shared with something. A shared node means something shares the same space in _three_ dimensions and you should be able to route from

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread SomeoneElse
Rob Nickerson wrote: Am I doing something wrong? Is the fixer tool flagging something up incorrectly? In cases such as this I normally say to the other mapper that I was last there on so-and-so date, and when I was last there it looked like X; and ask whether perhaps he's been there more

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
Consider slightly offsetting each level. Add a note saying slightly-offset-from-level-below. Sharing nodes between vertical layers is certainly wrong. Richard On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Rob Nickerson wrote: Am I doing something wrong? Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Can I ask for some clarification on what is meant by sharing nodes. For example, if I draw the layer 0 way, then draw the layer 1 way on top, using the same nodes as a guide, BUT THEN unglue all the nodes by pressing G in JOSM, does this still count as a shared node? Thanks, Rob

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Clay Smalley
On Jan 9, 2013 5:03 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: For example, if I draw the layer 0 way, then draw the layer 1 way on top, using the same nodes as a guide, BUT THEN unglue all the nodes by pressing G in JOSM, does this still count as a shared node? That is perfectly valid as

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways warning for areas

2008-06-02 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Thomas Wood wrote: Ignore the warnings, they were mostly as a warning to inform you that there happen to be two ways there rather than as an error. Ok, I thought as much, thanks. Would there be any bad side effects of the validator never warning of overlapping ways where

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways warning for areas

2008-06-02 Thread Thomas Wood
Ignore the warnings, they were mostly as a warning to inform you that there happen to be two ways there rather than as an error. The validator plugin should probably move it's level down to info from warning (can't remember what it is at the moment for certain) Also see:

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-18 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Steve Hill schrieb: JOSM handles overlapping objects reasonably well (using the middle-click menu). Relying on middle-click only is bad for those using a 1-button mouse. Invoking a context menue works for me if I hold ctrl and click. But this won't work in JOSM... Thus I vote to emulate the

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-18 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Hill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The area shares some nodes with the highway, creating overlapping ways. 2. The area shares no nodes and was drawn as close as possible to the road. I couldn't find any recommendations in the wiki on which option to prefer. I prefer sharing

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-18 Thread Steve Hill
Lester Caine wrote: But it is an area that needs to be fine tuned in the guides! In reality at smaller scales they are never in the same place This depends what you are mapping. For example, I have used shared nodes on beaches - below the high water mark I have mapped a beach with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Hill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The area shares some nodes with the highway, creating overlapping ways. 2. The area shares no nodes and was drawn as close as possible to the road. I couldn't find any recommendations in the wiki on which option to prefer. I prefer sharing nodes. Overlapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Ways - Embrace or Avoid?

2008-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, A residential area is bordered by a road. Plesae read the thread area topology which is about exactly this topic and has been started 4 days ago in this mailing list ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33