Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 04:29:51PM +0100, Thomas Davie wrote: On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 15:34, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Could we then export change 2 to a PD database first and import that into ODbL OSM? Wouldn't it be much simpler for those users to simply accept CT? PD is a superset of CT and ODbL after all... Dermot --

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
No, it would be simpler for OSM. Regards, Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dermot McNally [mailto:derm...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:59 PM Aan: Floris Looijesteijn CC: OpenStreetMap Talk Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it for

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it for OSM. The easiest way to do this is as I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you not contribute under the new CTs if you're willing to accept any

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If we convince them to release under PD, then we can take their work and then license it as ODbL, so not wanting their work licensed ODbL precludes releasing under PD. But then it would under the account / liability of

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 16:55, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If we convince them to release under PD, then we can take their work and then license it as ODbL, so not wanting their work licensed ODbL precludes releasing under PD. Notwithstanding the fact that much of the reasoning here

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: There are at least a few users who have disagreed to ODbL but are ok with PD (or CC0). From phase 4 on we only allow people to edit if they have agreed to the CT, so we'd definitely have to disable the account of that user. But since his data is available

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Thomas Davie schrieb: On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you not contribute under the new CTs if you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the other mappers in the areas he has mapped.

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:49:36PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: additionally clicked the PD checkbox. It would be possible, from a database point of view, to set the PD option without setting the agreed to CT field. We should do this manually for those users who haven't agreed. In all other

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Simon Poole
I'm staying out of the discussion, just please remember the PD-checkbox has no legal meaning, as documented here: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F Any retroactive change just isn't going to work. Simon Am 16.06.2011 22:08, schrieb

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Matthias Julius
Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com writes: On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Dermot McNally schrieb: On 16 June 2011 18:55, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: I know at least one person who does exactly that just because he wants to harm the OSMF because he disagrees with the processes - not with the outcome, though. The harm he's doing is to the other mappers in

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Dermot McNally writes: Wouldn't it be much simpler for those users to simply accept CT? No. Some guy is going around claiming that everyone who accepts the CT supports the licensng change and supports the CT and ODbL as the preferred licenses. Some people who do not are not comfortable signing