Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-18 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:26:21PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
 Frederik Ramm wrote:
 
  So if we can't get rid of the click-through is not the question.
 
  Replace it by if we cannot find a license that works without  
  clicktrough.
 
 Well, there ain't none.
 
 Sorry, I'm over-simplifying. But the question is really simple, it's  
 just the answer that's complicated.
 
 In some jurisdictions you have statutory protection for geodata under  
 copyright law and, sometimes, neighbouring rights (e.g. EU database  
 law). So everything's easy.
 
 In other jurisdictions, you have to rely, to a greater or lesser  
 extent, on contract. And there's no clever wording, no find a  
 licence, that can get around that. Usage of the database is  
 regulated by statute, by contract, or by judicious application of a  
 baseball bat; they're the only options.
 
 Our data, along with that of every geodata company in the world, will  
 be made available in contract-biased jurisdictions (like the US).  
 Does TeleAtlas require click-through to work? No. Does Navteq? No.

No, they don't require click-through, they require a signed agreement.
Can you get Navteq data anywhere without that?

 So does ODBL? No. Come on.

Our case is not comparable with any closed license, because anybody can
use our data and re-publish it. So that puts the burden on all those
re-publishers to make sure that their downloaders read (and maybe
click-through) the license.

Lets for a moment assume that we don't need click-through. OSM posts
terms of use. I download the planet file and post it on my web site for
download. I forget to put any terms of use there. Person X downloads
data from me. Never saw the terms of use. I am probably in breach of
contract because I made it available without showing the terms of use.
But X isn't, because he never saw it. Does X have a valid license to use
the data? The license explicitly says that if somebody is in breach of
the license the people downstream from him are not and can still use the
data. Ups.

So even if we are willing to take the risk and not use a click-through
the whole contract thing falls apart. There is a good reason why
copyright and the European database directive were invented, namely to
cover this case where contract law alone is not enough.

 It's all about appetite for risk. OSMF some time last year took a  
 view, subject to consultation, that click-through would improve  
 enforceability without a deleterious effect on usability. You  
 disagree. That's fine. On balance, and after several months' thought,  
 I think I probably do, too.
 
 But Jochen, when you say So I know that it is not enforcable unless  
 both parties have agreed and start quoting Wikipedia, with respect,  
 that's the worst type of barrack-room lawyer. Agreed isn't that  
 simple. Read the summaries of the Register.com vs Verio case I cited  
 earlier. That is a contract being enforced, in a contract-only  
 jurisdiction, _without_ anyone clicking I agree. It's a case  
 relating to repeated extraction from a big database - actually quite  
 similar to OSM.

Well, you just citing a single case is also bad form. Yes, in this case
the court decided that the terms of use posted on the website are valid.
I remember, though can't cite any sources, that there have been
different decisions. From what I remember basically the argument was:
Terms of use posted on web sites don't mean a thing, because the web
would not work if for every link you clicked you'd have first to check
whether you agree to the terms of use the web site owner might have
posted somewhere. By posting something on the net, you agree that people
can lock at it. Now this argument might not hold for a different
service like WHOIS or a database API, but that certainly is debatable.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain, OSM Data

2008-10-18 Thread Jordan S Hatcher

On 15 Oct 2008, at 14:04, John Wilbanks wrote:


 Jordan Hatcher is the author of the Public Domain Dedication  
 License by
 the way, not CC. However, the PDDL is the only license that SC  
 currently
 certifies as compliant with the protocol - CC Zero isn't there yet.

Yep!

BTW, I have changed jobs recently and so am a lot more busy.  I'm  
looking at ways to strengthen the involvement of OKFN in the Open  
Data Commons project and aim to get things stable in terms of future  
development and support in the next few months.  Look out for a call  
for volunteers, probably on the website, sometime soon.

Thanks!

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] US local government data: negotiating license?

2008-10-18 Thread David Carmean

Thanks for the feedback; I was away on a trip.  

I think I'll wait to see what falls out of the current 
license discussions before taking action on this.


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[OSM-talk] osmdiff

2008-10-18 Thread GS
Good morning,

again, there is something to see:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports

Program is still under construction but it works. Still trying to optimize 
getting data online. So everything shown is BETA!

If you want me to add places please send bounding box parameters and pay 
attention that it's not too big. Less than ~40.000 nodes is desirable (Same 
restrictions like i.e. JOSM and a little room to manouver)! Else obtaining 
data might be a problem.

Have fun!

Gary68 



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Re: [OSM-talk] Old data being cached too long

2008-10-18 Thread Tristan Scott
I've just grabbed a mapnik tile at random, and these are the headers
sent out with it:

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:20:05 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu)
Etag: cb5563ba81dda2fd9bf27cba5a41164f
Content-Length: 7149
Cache-Control: max-age=374906
Expires: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:28:32 GMT
Content-Type: image/png

Therefore, an ISP's transparent proxy should fetch a new version (or
the same one again) after 374906 seconds, or 4.33 days.

Some ISP's ignore the cache times in their transparent proxies and
therefore should be shouted at. Are any of the tiles you're viewing
older than 4 days? [EMAIL PROTECTED] tiles are every day, as I recall, and
therefore three render cycles could be within the timescale?

a [EMAIL PROTECTED] headers set:
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:27:36 GMT
Server: Apache
Cache-Control: max-age=10800
Last-Modified: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:47:20 GMT
Content-Length: 16457
Content-Type: image/png

Which should expire after 3 hours. Notably, this doesn't have a
Expires: header, which means (theoretically) it could get kept longer
as various levels of proxy/cache grab it from each other...
Maybe this would help?

It should be that holding down control and pressing refresh in your
browser should request a new version and not accept cached versions,
but I don't know if this matters to javascript or ISP proxies...

Tristan


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  I thought there were some errors with OSM but today visiting a friend we used
 OSM and mapnik was looking just fine, no tiles were old, while at home I get
 a patchwork of new and old, and I have to hit reload a bunch of times to get
 the right one. It's not my cache, btw, I did check for that :-) (Besides, I
 use multiple browsers and they all looked exactly the same.)
  There is the small chance that OSM is doing something wrong that might cause
 this, but in all likelihood it's my ISP doing business as usual. I know they
 use a transparent proxy, which is quite opaque as this case shows, but not
 being a proxy-knowledgeable person, I don't know exactly what they broke in
 theirs. I see some tiles that are at least two render-cycles old (more than a
 week and a half), and reloading each tile manually is quite annoying, plus
 it's one, if not *the*, largest ISP in Argentina. Could anyone tell me the
 right keywords? What bits to flip? Tomorrow is saturday and I'll be doing
 some work with plenty of dead time for me to call their toll-free number and
 see if I can get someone who can talk beyond the scripted responses (I talked
 with one such person a few years ago), who knows, they might fix it if I
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[OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen

Hi all,

I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe

I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide 
whether a place is a café or a pub?

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Pete Lawrence

Hello,

Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically  
busiest during the evenings.  Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred  
around food during the day time.  In the UK it is pretty easy to  
distinguish between the two, elsewhere the distinction may not be as  
clear cut.


Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.

Pete


On 18 Oct 2008, at 13:58, Ben Laenen wrote:



Hi all,

I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe

I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide
whether a place is a café or a pub?



On 18 Oct 2008, at 13:58, Ben Laenen wrote:



Hi all,

I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe

I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide
whether a place is a café or a pub?

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 18 October 2008, Pete Lawrence wrote:
 Hello,

 Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically
 busiest during the evenings.  Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred
 around food during the day time.  In the UK it is pretty easy to
 distinguish between the two, elsewhere the distinction may not be as
 clear cut.

 Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.

 Pete

OK, I was confused since here in Belgium we use the word café in Dutch 
for a place that primarily serves drinks (so what you call pub or bar I 
guess). One wouldn't associate café with a restaurant here.

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió:
 Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.

It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not.

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió:
 Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.

 It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not.

there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often
the british style caff which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm
tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and
coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides
a big clue :-)

cheers,

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[OSM-talk] elephant trekking

2008-10-18 Thread Joe Richards
I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand - since 
it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know about, but 
how do I tag it?


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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
But I've been in many cafes with no dedicated kitchens (Starbucks, for
instance). And a lot of pubs with dedicated kitchens.
A pub's main revenue comes from the booze. Many of them are closing
down their kitchens to save money. Some pubs have a tiny bar, and most
 of it is a restaurant - so called gastro-pubs.

cafe, from coffee - selling coffee.  A coffee, or tea shop. Cake.
pub, from public - selling, erm, beer. No cake.

another, less official:
A pub -  It has frosted windows, closed off areas, no table service.
Mainly male. Is more popular in the evening and night.
a cafe has clear windows, and a terrace open to the world. Table
service, open to all, people watching is part of it. Is more popular
in the daytime.

Maybe, ultimately, it's cake vs no cake? Or pork scratchings vs cake?

On 10/18/08, Matt Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió:
   Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.
  
   It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not.


 there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often
  the british style caff which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm
  tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and
  coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides
  a big clue :-)

  cheers,


  matt


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[OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about

2008-10-18 Thread Subhodip Biswas
hi !

I can see a icon for mini roundabout in josm ...but though preset for
round about is there ,i cant find an icon for that ..
is there one .what i am missing ??

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Re: [OSM-talk] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-18 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you attended the State of the Map 2008, you will sure remember the
 star-wars style video that was played the last day, showing all the
 contributors for all of the planet.

 Is this video uploaded somewhere? Can somebody make such a video with an
 updated list of contributors?  I'll play it during some talks.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7261615139689126539hl=en

if the quality isn't good enough, just ask and i'll upload the
original (37Mb) somewhere.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Video with all OSM contributors

2008-10-18 Thread John07
Matt Amos schrieb:
 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Having seen the 11Mb video, I'd appreciate to have the 37Mb original. I'll
 play it in a conference in one month, and people should be able to at least
 try to read the names as they fly by.
 

 http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/?p=133

 if anyone knows how to add the appropriate soundtrack that would be
 very cool :-)
   
Maybe you can look for it at youtube?

The video is just very cool. AND i found my Username! :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] elephant trekking

2008-10-18 Thread Nic Roets
I'd tag it as tourism=zoo and add a note explaining what's there.

It will allow people searching for attractions to find it. As an added
benefit, the icon for a zoo is an elephant on mappaint?, gosmore and
possibly other renderers.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand -
 since it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know
 about, but how do I tag it?


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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread paul youlten
The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit
blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes.

In the UK pubs have to be licenced with the local council and usually
have restricted opening hours (i.e: they are not normally allowed to
sell alcohol before 11am). They also have to comply with national and
local legislation which can include things like not being within a
certain distance of a school, not allowing people under 16 years to
enter the premises unaccompanied and not being operated by someone who
is a convicted criminal.

Cafes are not usually licenced to sell alcohol and are simply
regulated by the local authority's food hygiene office. If a cafe or
restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just
like a pub or a restaurant. There used to be lots of rules about
restaurants not being allowed to have a bar where customers  could
sit and consume drinks and there was a rule about them only being
allowed to serve alcohol with meals; but most of these laws were
repealed under the Licencing act 2003.

PY


On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tim Waters (chippy)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But I've been in many cafes with no dedicated kitchens (Starbucks, for
 instance). And a lot of pubs with dedicated kitchens.
 A pub's main revenue comes from the booze. Many of them are closing
 down their kitchens to save money. Some pubs have a tiny bar, and most
  of it is a restaurant - so called gastro-pubs.

 cafe, from coffee - selling coffee.  A coffee, or tea shop. Cake.
 pub, from public - selling, erm, beer. No cake.

 another, less official:
 A pub -  It has frosted windows, closed off areas, no table service.
 Mainly male. Is more popular in the evening and night.
 a cafe has clear windows, and a terrace open to the world. Table
 service, open to all, people watching is part of it. Is more popular
 in the daytime.

 Maybe, ultimately, it's cake vs no cake? Or pork scratchings vs cake?

 On 10/18/08, Matt Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   El Sábado, 18 de Octubre de 2008, Pete Lawrence escribió:
   Restaurants v's cafe's are probably more likely to be mixed up.
  
   It's easy, actually: dedicated kitchen area or not.


 there are several cafes near me with dedicated kitchen areas - often
  the british style caff which specialises in fry-ups. when i'm
  tagging i choose based on whether it looks like a lunch, snack and
  coffee place or a seated dinner place. sometimes the signage provides
  a big clue :-)

  cheers,


  matt


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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

paul youlten wrote:
 The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit
 blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes.

[interesting details]

 If a cafe or
 restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just
 like a pub or a restaurant.

Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you 
then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read 
something about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have 
been from 20 years ago.

And then - this is probably a US term - what is an off license?

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread paul youlten
The UK licencing laws only apply to selling alcohol; so if the cafe or
restaurant is not licenced you can take your own wine (sometimes even
if they do have a licence you can ask them if it is OK to bring your
own bottle of wine) and while they cannot charge you for the drink
they can charge you for corkage which covers the use of their
glasses and waiters opening it and pouring it for you.

I think this is called BYOB (bring your own beer) in the USA?

An Off Licence is a special licence for a shop that sells alcohol
that is going to be consumed away from the shop (at home or at a
picnic for example). In the USA these shops are called Liquor stores
and their regulation varies from state to state.

More on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-licence#Off-licence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquor_store

PY



On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 paul youlten wrote:

 The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit
 blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes.

 [interesting details]

 If a cafe or
 restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just
 like a pub or a restaurant.

 Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you then
 bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read something
 about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have been from 20
 years ago.

 And then - this is probably a US term - what is an off license?

 Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/18 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you
 then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read
 something about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have
 been from 20 years ago.

This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the Balti
Mile. There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food
traditionally did not have licences. Off-Licences (shops licensed to
sell alcohol for consumption Off the premises) began to spring up
next door to the restaurants, and members of the public would bring
their own beer and wine into the restaurant. A corking fee is exactly
what you describe, a surcharge on self-brought (usually) wine, but
whether one will apply is very much down to the restaurant itself.
Corking fees are not confined to unlicensed restaurants either - it
could happen that a customer would choose to bring a very special
bottle of wine he owns to enjoy with a meal.

A lot of the Birmingham restaurants I mentioned do now have licences,
but self-brought booze was still common enough last time I was there.

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
 Hi,
 
 paul youlten wrote:
 The difference between pubs and restaurants is a getting a bit
 blurred. But not so much between pubs and cafes.
 
 [interesting details]
 
 If a cafe or
 restaurant wants to sell alcohol they have to apply for a licence just
 like a pub or a restaurant.
 
 Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you 
 then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read 
 something about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have 
 been from 20 years ago.

Interesting, never heard of that before!

 
 And then - this is probably a US term - what is an off license?

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_license#Off-licence

As I know them from the UK: A shop (often smaller) that sells alcohol: 
wine, sparkling wine, beer (in cans), ...

Usually with self service, not meant to drink the alcohol in the shop.

Think of a very small german Getränkemarkt and we're getting somewhere ;-)

Gruß, ULFL

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread paul youlten
Dermot said:
 This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the Balti
 Mile. There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food
 traditionally did not have licences. 

I always assumed that this was because most Balti Houses/Indian
Restaurants are run by Bangladeshi Muslims who don't sell alcoholic on
religious grounds.

PY

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Dermot McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/10/18 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you
 then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read
 something about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have
 been from 20 years ago.

 This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the Balti
 Mile. There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food
 traditionally did not have licences. Off-Licences (shops licensed to
 sell alcohol for consumption Off the premises) began to spring up
 next door to the restaurants, and members of the public would bring
 their own beer and wine into the restaurant. A corking fee is exactly
 what you describe, a surcharge on self-brought (usually) wine, but
 whether one will apply is very much down to the restaurant itself.
 Corking fees are not confined to unlicensed restaurants either - it
 could happen that a customer would choose to bring a very special
 bottle of wine he owns to enjoy with a meal.

 A lot of the Birmingham restaurants I mentioned do now have licences,
 but self-brought booze was still common enough last time I was there.

 Dermot

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Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/18 paul youlten [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dermot said:
 This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the Balti
 Mile. There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food
 traditionally did not have licences. 

 I always assumed that this was because most Balti Houses/Indian
 Restaurants are run by Bangladeshi Muslims who don't sell alcoholic on
 religious grounds.

That was my assumption too. But:

a) In at least some houses, they would open it and pour it out for you
(often for free).
b) Many do now have licences.

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[OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap

2008-10-18 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi I posted a new howto on my blog.

I use Asus eee 701 with Fedora 9 installed to capture GPS traces and I
have posted a howto on it. Asus eee 701 is cheap and great little and
very portable laptop - just perfect for mapping! I hope you find this
howto helpful.

Bluetooth GPS Fedora howto:
http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/bluetooth-gps-fedora-howto/

I will copy/paste it here but please go to my blog for an always up to
date version.



Bluetooth GPS Fedora howto

If you have bluetooth GPS dongle that you have laying around, or can
borrow one from somebody, and like driving a bike or a car around then
this is the guide for you.


You need to have bluetooth wireless chip already installed on your
laptop. If you have a laptop or a desktop without bluetooth you can
buy and use USB bluetooth dongle.


You can check if you have a bluetooth and that it is working correctly
using this command:
hcitool dev



Then let's make sure you have bluetooth service running:
service bluetooth status


if it is not running just start it with:
service bluetooth start


Turn on your bluetooth GPS dongle and find its bluetooth mac address
with this command:
hcitool scan
Scanning …
00:1E:EE:00:11:22 LG KU990
00:02:78:99:FF:00 SJ GPS
00:12:EE:55:00:FF Device01


If you find more than one bluetooth device you should know the name of
your GPS dongle. My GPS dongle has a GPS in its name so it is easy
to catch its mac address: 00:02:78:99:FF:00 (SJ GPS)


You need to install gpsd and setup bluetooth config files, so let's
first install gpsd:
yum install gpsd -y


Then you need to edit bluetooth config file so that gpsd connects
automatically to GPS bluetooth dongle.

su -
gedit -etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf


and add these lines:


rfcomm0 {
# Automatically bind the device at startup
bind yes;

# Bluetooth address of the device
device 00:12:EE:55:00:FF;

# RFCOMM channel for the connection
channel 1;

# Description of the connection
comment GPS Bluetooth dongle;
}


After reboot check if you have /dev/rfcomm0 device with:
ls -al /dev/rfcomm0


If after reboot (or you don't wan't to reboot) you still don't have
/dev/rfcomm0 then just issue this command:
rfcomm bind rfcomm0


Now start gpsd daemon:
gpsd /dev/rfcomm0


Now you can start having fun! :)


Install gps applications like tangogps, gpsdrive and gpsbabel.
su -
yum install tangogps gpsdrive gpsbabel


Now just start tangogps and gpsdrive and enjoy…

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Re: [OSM-talk] Asus eee and OpenStreetMap

2008-10-18 Thread Valent Turkovic
I would be really thankful if anyone can check it the packages are the
same on debian based distros and or does apt-get need to have some
other named packages.

I would like to update my blog so that this howto also works for
debian/ubuntu. Are the other instructions the same for debian/ubuntu?
Do I need to change something for debian/ubuntu howto?

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] roundabout vs miniround about

2008-10-18 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday 18 October 2008 10:00:47 pm Subhodip Biswas wrote:
 I can see a icon for mini roundabout in josm ...but though preset for
 round about is there ,i cant find an icon for that ..
 is there one .what i am missing ??

there is no icon for roundabout - you have to build one making a circle or 
rectangle or whatever and tag it as highway=primary/secondary/whatever, 
junction=roundabout

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Re: [OSM-talk] elephant trekking

2008-10-18 Thread Stefan Baebler
According to osmxapi statistics [1] there are already 2 elephants in OSM data.
Should we see a sudden increase now?

:)
Stefan

[1] http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/total.xml

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd tag it as tourism=zoo and add a note explaining what's there.

 It will allow people searching for attractions to find it. As an added
 benefit, the icon for a zoo is an elephant on mappaint?, gosmore and
 possibly other renderers.

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Joe Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am putting in a tourist attraction - elephant trekking in Thailand -
 since it's the kind of thing that when you visit you would want to know
 about, but how do I tag it?


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[talk-au] Disappearing Capital City Trail

2008-10-18 Thread Neil Penman
The Melbourne capital city trail disappeared sometime in the last week.  This 
was the relation that was used by the cycle map.   Anybody know what happened 
to it?

http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=16lat=-37.77886lon=144.9586layers=B000

Last week it was almost complete with one section around Rushall railway 
station missing.

Neil Penman


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Re: [talk-au] Disappearing Capital City Trail

2008-10-18 Thread Neil Penman
Hopefully when history is added to JOSM it will be able to track deleted and 
modified relations.  For the moment I will just add them back in.



- Original Message 
From: Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:15:25 AM
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Disappearing Capital City Trail

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:54:46 +1100
Luke Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had noticed that the relations had simply disappeared too, along  
 with the Yarra River Trail. There is no history of the relations
 being wiped as far as I can see, so they will have to be added again
 manually.
 
 On 19/10/2008, at 9:51 AM, Neil Penman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Melbourne capital city trail disappeared sometime in the last  
  week.  This was the relation that was used by the cycle map.
  Anybody know what happened to it?
 
  http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=16lat=-37.77886lon=144.9586layers=B000
 
  Last week it was almost complete with one section around Rushall  
  railway station missing.


I've noticed a few relations around the place in SA losing various
entries. My current theory is that people are either using an editor
that's out of date which is somehow stripping the relation data, or
they're seeing the relation data and removing it for some obscure
reason. I think the first is more likely. I suspect you might find
those relations sitting in the OSM DB with no members attached if you
could work out a way to reference them..

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[Talk-de] osmdiff

2008-10-18 Thread GS
Moin,

so, nun gibt es wieder was zu sehen:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports

Programm wird noch weiterentwickelt, aber es funktioniert schon mal. Bin 
noch dran, den Datensaugevorgang zu optimieren. Also alles was gezeigt wird, 
ist BETA!

Falls ich Orte für euch hinzufügen soll, bitte Mail mit Ortsname und bbox 
Parametern. Bitte so wählen, dass der Bereich nicht zu groß wird (man kennt 
das ja von JOSM). Deutlich weniger als 50.000 Punkte sind wünschenswert!

Have fun!

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Ulf Möller
Andreas Labres schrieb:

 Nochmal: Du kannst zwei Punkte (die Endpunkte der Sackgassen) nicht mit einem
 weiteren Punkt (dem Schranken) verbinden. Das muß schon ein Stückchen Weg 
 sein... ;)

Beide Sackgassen enden im selben Punkt, der Schranke. Die ist in der 
Realität zwar auch 15 cm breit, aber Schranken deswegen als way zu 
erfassen, würde das Modell doch sehr überstrapazieren. (highway=gate ist 
in den Map Features logischerweise auch nur für nodes vorgesehen, nicht 
für ways.)


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Re: [Talk-de] OSMDiff - Fortschritte visualisieren

2008-10-18 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Coole Sache, könntest du ein derartigen osmdiff auch mal für Mashhad 
durchlaufen lassen? 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.2908lon=59.6205zoom=12layers=B000FTF

Wäre toll.

Gruß,
Claudius

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 hi,

 hier können wir es verfolgen...

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports


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Re: [Talk-de] OSMDiff - Fortschritte visualisieren

2008-10-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi,

ich lade es heute noch hoch.

ciao

gerhard

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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:58 PM
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Coole Sache, könntest du ein derartigen osmdiff auch mal für Mashhad
durchlaufen lassen?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.2908lon=59.6205zoom=12layers=B000FTF

Wäre toll.

Gruß,
Claudius

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 hi,

 hier können wir es verfolgen...

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports


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Re: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen

2008-10-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi,

hier können wir es verfolgen...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmdiff_reports

bzw: http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/diff/gen0/ov_ouagadougou.htm

gary68

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Subject: [Talk-de] Mit Helge und dem Bodensee-Peter Afrika mappen


Hi,

ich bin eben über dieses Blogposting gestolpert:
http://www.bodenseepeter.de/2008/10/16/lets-map-africa/
...und könnte mir vorstellen, dass der ein oder andere Interesse daran
hat, Helge [1] und dem Bodensee-Peter zu helfen.

[1] 
http://www.helge.at/2008/10/der-erste-sein-der-eine-millionenstadt-kartografiert/

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Andreas Labres
Ulf Möller wrote:
 Beide Sackgassen enden im selben Punkt, der Schranke.

Das geht nicht. Damit wären sie verbunden. Und damit keine Sackgassen mehr.

Wir machen hier ein Modell der Wirklichkeit. Eine Kreuzung hat real auch nicht
die Dimension 0, trotzdem machen wir im Modell sowas draus. Umgekehrt, wenn Wege
gemeinsame Punkte haben, dann kreuzen sie sich in diesem Punkt. Wenn sie sich
nicht kreuzen, dürfen sie keinen gemeinsamen Punkt haben.

Praktisches Beispiel:

http://lab.at/osm/kirchfeldg17.gif

Dort stehen so Poller, ca. dort wo die Bezirksgrenze (die strichpunktierte
Linie) eingezeichnet ist. Ergo mache ich von links einen residential, der von
mir aus in einem turning_circle endet. Und von rechts kommt ein Weg (btw mit
access restrictions). Und das Loch dazwischen füllt man mit idF sowas wie
cycleway (weil da ein Radweg drübergeht). -- Wo ist da das Problem?

Servus, Andreas

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Andreas Labres schrieb:
 Und wenn Du Schranken taggst, werden die weniger? *besorgtguck*

Immer positiv denken :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Norbert Wenzel schrieb:
 Widerspricht ja keiner, dass man einen beschrankten Bahnübergang als 
 railway_crossing mit irgendeinem noch zu definierenden Attribut versehen 
 könnte, dass dann alle Absicherungsmaßnahmen an der Kreuzung abdeckt.

Die Frage ist, tagged man wenn eine da ist oder wenn keine da ist?

Im Ausland ist durchaus weniger beschrankt, als in Deutschland.
Guck' Dir Amerika an ... bei der Fläche an unbewohntem Land wären
Schranken einfach totale Geldverschwendung. Das haben wir ja im
Osten Deutschland auch so.

 Anyway, mir ist nicht ganz klar, wie die Information, dass es einen bzw. 
 eher keinen Schranken gibt, die Leute davor schützen soll, nach dem 
 Motto Is gestern nix kumman, kummt heit a nix. über unbeschrankte 
 Bahnübergänge zu fahren. Ich denke die meisten Unfälle passieren 
 (abgesehen von schlechter Einsehbarkeit der Bahnstrecke) aus 
 Unachtsamkeit wegen Gewohnheit. Da hilft auch kein Navi, das jeden Tag 
 aufs neue vor der Kreuzung warnt.

Es geht mir nicht unbedingt um die Warnung, sondern eher um die
Information. Du kannst eine query auf den Datensatz ablaufen lassen
und siehst dann z.B. eine Statistik, wie viele Übergänge in Dtl.
beschrankt oder unbeschrankt sind. OSM ist ja mehr als Routing.

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Samstag 18 Oktober 2008 14:35:49 schrieb Andreas Labres:
 Ulf Möller wrote:
  Beide Sackgassen enden im selben Punkt, der Schranke.

 Das geht nicht. Damit wären sie verbunden. Und damit keine Sackgassen mehr.


Die Straße hört doch aber unter der Schranke nicht auf? Wenn man die Schranke 
wegdenkt, geht sie doch ganz normal weiter, oder? Dann muss sie auch verbunden 
werden.

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo.

Am Samstag, 18. Oktober 2008 schrieb Andreas Labres:
  Beide Sackgassen enden im selben Punkt, der Schranke.
 Das geht nicht. Damit wären sie verbunden. Und damit keine Sackgassen mehr.

Es sind ja auch keine Sackgassen sondern es ist eine Straße in die man von 
beiden Seiten reinfahren kann. 
Der Begriff Sackgasse muss uns doch überhaupt nicht interessieren. Eine 
Sackgasse ist ein Weg meiner Erfahrung nach immer dann, wenn man mit dem 
gegebenen Verkehrsmittel nirgends anders herauskommt als man rein fährt. Die 
einschlägigen Schilder sind mit Sicherheit nicht an jeder solchen Stelle 
aufgestellt, stehen dafür aber auch an Straßen an denen man auf Rad- oder 
Feldwegen problemlos weiter fahren kann.
Das Sackgassen-Schild ist eigentlich nur ein Hinweis an ortsunkundige 
Autofahrer. Jemand, der ne gute Karte oder gar ein Navi hat, wird 
algorithmisch herausfinden können, ob es für ihn mit dem aktuellen Fahrzeug 
eine Sackgasse ist oder nicht. Das muss man nicht taggen.


 Wir machen hier ein Modell der Wirklichkeit. Eine Kreuzung hat real auch
 nicht die Dimension 0, trotzdem machen wir im Modell sowas draus.
 Umgekehrt, wenn Wege gemeinsame Punkte haben, dann kreuzen sie sich in
 diesem Punkt. Wenn sie sich nicht kreuzen, dürfen sie keinen gemeinsamen
 Punkt haben.

Was immer du damit sagen willst...
Es darf nicht unser Problem sein, wer an einer Schranke oder einem Poller 
vorbei kommt. wir müssen nur erfassen, welche Verkehrsmittel dort 
eingeschränkt werden. Ein Rad-Routenplaner soll mich üblicherweise bitte da 
ganz normal durch routen. Ein Auto-Navi soll halt alle Punkte auf der 
geplanten Strecke nach barrier=* abgrasen und sich entsprechend verhalten.

Da ein Stück Straße zu machen, das es in der Wirklichkeit überhaupt nicht 
gibt, halte ich für den falschen Ansatz. Immerhin weißt du ja oft nicht, wer 
wann durch die Schranke durch darf. Es wäre also mit den etablierten Tags 
(imho) gar nicht möglich, das korrekt zu erfassen. 

Ein Navi, dem ich sagen kann Ich habe einen Schranken-Schlüssel (und darf ihn 
benutzen), sollte die beschrankten Wege ja bitte auch ganz normal benutzen.

Gruß, Bernd

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Norbert Wenzel

Tobias Wendorff wrote:

Norbert Wenzel schrieb:
Widerspricht ja keiner, dass man einen beschrankten Bahnübergang als 
railway_crossing mit irgendeinem noch zu definierenden Attribut versehen 
könnte, dass dann alle Absicherungsmaßnahmen an der Kreuzung abdeckt.


Die Frage ist, tagged man wenn eine da ist oder wenn keine da ist?


Ich bin geneigt zu sagen, man tagged beides, weil sonst kommt 
wahrscheinlich ähnlich wie bei maxspeed die Diskussion auf, ob man ein 
maxspeed=none Property einführen sollte.


Aber ja, ich widersprech dir nicht, dass man sie taggen sollte und ich 
bin auch überzeugt, dass sie getagged werden, wenn es gute Tags gibt. 
Ich glaub nur nicht, dass Daten in irgendeiner Form die tatsächliche 
Sicherheit im Straßenverkehr erhöhen.


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Re: [Talk-de] Neuer Look von Mapnik

2008-10-18 Thread Hatto von Hatzfeld
André Reichelt wrote:

 Florian Schweikert schrieb:
 Die
 Karte ist plötzlich viel klarer (erinnert mich an clearlooks).
 
 Ich persönlich finde jedoch, dass die Ränder um die gelben Straßen noch
 etwas zu intensiv aussehen.

Und Service-Straßen haben einen stärkeren Rand als residential und
unclassified, so dass sie in den Stufe 16 und 15 wichtiger wirken als
diese:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.86036lon=12.50958zoom=15layers=B000FFF

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Norbert Wenzel schrieb:
 Ich glaub nur nicht, dass Daten in irgendeiner Form die tatsächliche 
 Sicherheit im Straßenverkehr erhöhen.

Jetzt werden Dir aber die Verkehrs- und Unfallforscher kräftig einen
auf die Finger geben :-)

Was meinst Du, wieso es an vielen Plätzen eine Geschwindigkeitsbegr.
oder Ampel oder Poller gibt? Genau: Unfallschwerpunkte, Gefahrenpunkte
etc.

Direkt helfen die Daten nicht, aber indirekt. Wenn 10 Leute an der
gleichen Schranke pro Monat umkommen, wird die Bahn sicher schnell
reagieren (okay, vermutlich aber eher auf Druck der Presse, die aber
dann auf OSM-Daten für die Statistiken zurückgreifen kann).

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Re: [Talk-de] AIS Flottenmanagement // Empfänger

2008-10-18 Thread Markus
Hallo Tobias,

 Dortmund-Ems-Kanal!
 Sobald ich meinen Empfänger finde

Sag bescheid, wenn Du etwas über die Datenstruktur herausfindest!

Gruss, Markus

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[Talk-de] Flaeche nachträglich schliessen?

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Drebert
Hallo,

ich hatte das Problem das ich zwei Flächen nebeneinander liegen hatte und die 
eine an der Stelle wo
sie parallel laufen nicht geschlossen war, kann mir jemand sagen wie ich diese 
Fläche schlissen kann?
Software ist Josm oder Merkartor.
Hier die ganze Sache noch mal bildlich:
http://picasaweb.google.com/drebert2/Diverse?authkey=IABFx32Vr9Q#5258536499811122002
Die grüne Fläche soll geschlossen werden.

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Re: [Talk-de] AIS Flottenmanagement // Empfänger

2008-10-18 Thread Frederik Granna

Eventuell ist das hier ganz Interessant:

http://gnuais.sourceforge.net/

Markus schrieb:

Hallo Tobias,

  

Dortmund-Ems-Kanal!
Sobald ich meinen Empfänger finde



Sag bescheid, wenn Du etwas über die Datenstruktur herausfindest!

Gruss, Markus

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[Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-18 Thread Tim Krüger
Hallo Mapper!

Ich habe gerade einemal die Daten in meiner Heimatstadt gesichtet. Dabei
ist mir ein Bereich aufgefallen in dem Flächen neben die Straßen gelegt
wurden wobei es zu Lücken (Blitzen) in der gerenderten Karte kommt.
(siehe Link:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.55365lon=7.207823zoom=18layers=B000FFF)

Mal ganz davon abgesehen das ich das Blitzen in der gerenderten Karte
nicht schön finde, bin ich der Meinung das die Flächen auf die Straßen
gezogen werden sollten (also auch auf die gleichen Nodes) um einen
sauberen Datenbestand zu erhalten. So sieht es auch z.B. das neue
Datenmodell ALKIS der Kataster- und Vermessungsämter in Deutschland vor.

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Re: [Talk-de] Flaeche nachträglich schliessen?

2008-10-18 Thread Hatto von Hatzfeld
Thomas Drebert wrote:

 ich hatte das Problem das ich zwei Flächen nebeneinander liegen hatte und
 die eine an der Stelle wo sie parallel laufen nicht geschlossen war, kann
 mir jemand sagen wie ich diese Fläche schlissen kann? Software ist Josm
 oder Merkartor. Hier die ganze Sache noch mal bildlich:

http://picasaweb.google.com/drebert2/Diverse?authkey=IABFx32Vr9Q#5258536499811122002
 Die grüne Fläche soll geschlossen werden.

1. Select-Modus
2. Grüne Linie anklicken (selektieren/auswählen)
3. Zusätzlich den Node an einem der offenen Enden der grünen Linie auswählen
   (das geht mit Umschalt-Klick)
4. Draw-Modus
5. Den Node am anderen offenen Ende der grünen Linie anklicken

Fertig.

Gruß,
Hatto


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Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-18 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Tim Krüger schrieb:
 Wie steht ihr dazu? Sollte ich diese Anpassung machen? 

AFAIK machen dies die meisten Mapper, da wir ja meistens Achsen, also
Mittellinien von Straßen und Wegen, und nicht die Flächen erheben.

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[Talk-de] OSM-Datei in MySQL Datenbank schreiben

2008-10-18 Thread Tim Krüger
Hallo zusammen!

Ich habe ein mit OSMOSIS. Ich möchte eine OSM-Datei in eine MySQL
Datenbank schreiben. Dazu habe ich mir xampp
(http://www.apachefriends.org) installiert und möchte die dabei
installierte MySQL Datenbank nutzen. Das einzige was ich an MySQL mache,
ist eine Datenbank mit dem Namen 'osm' zu erstellen. Der einzige Nutzer
ist 'root' ohne Passwort. 

Nun probiere ich mit osmosis die Daten zu übertragen:

##
[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:~/projects/openStreetMap/software/osmosis/osmosis-0.29$ java -jar 
osmosis.jar --read-xml 
file=/home/tim/projects/openStreetMap/planetFile/herne.osm --write-mysql 
host=localhost database=osm user=root
##

Dabei wird folgende Java-Exception geworfen:

##
Oct 18, 2008 7:56:25 PM com.bretth.osmosis.core.Osmosis main
INFO: Osmosis Version 0.29
Oct 18, 2008 7:56:25 PM com.bretth.osmosis.core.Osmosis main
INFO: Preparing pipeline.
Oct 18, 2008 7:56:25 PM com.bretth.osmosis.core.Osmosis main
INFO: Launching pipeline execution.
Oct 18, 2008 7:56:25 PM com.bretth.osmosis.core.Osmosis main
INFO: Pipeline executing, waiting for completion.
Oct 18, 2008 7:56:25 PM
com.bretth.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.ActiveTaskManager
waitForCompletion
SEVERE: Thread for task 1-read-xml failed
com.bretth.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: Unable to find
database driver.
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.common.DatabaseContext.loadDatabaseDriver(DatabaseContext.java:59)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.common.DatabaseContext.getConnection(DatabaseContext.java:78)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.common.DatabaseContext.executeStreamingQuery(DatabaseContext.java:198)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.common.SchemaVersionValidator.validateDBVersion(SchemaVersionValidator.java:63)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.common.SchemaVersionValidator.validateVersion(SchemaVersionValidator.java:45)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.v0_5.MysqlWriter.initialize(MysqlWriter.java:316)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.mysql.v0_5.MysqlWriter.process(MysqlWriter.java:1004)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.xml.v0_5.impl.BoundElementProcessor.end(BoundElementProcessor.java:85)
at

com.bretth.osmosis.core.xml.v0_5.impl.OsmHandler.endElement(OsmHandler.java:109)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.endElement(AbstractSAXParser.java:601)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractXMLDocumentParser.emptyElement(AbstractXMLDocumentParser.java:180)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanStartElement(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:1339)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:2747)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(XMLDocumentScannerImpl.java:648)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:510)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:807)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:737)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:107)
at

com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1205)
at com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.jaxp.SAXParserImpl
$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:522)
at javax.xml.parsers.SAXParser.parse(SAXParser.java:395)
at javax.xml.parsers.SAXParser.parse(SAXParser.java:198)
at
com.bretth.osmosis.core.xml.v0_5.XmlReader.run(XmlReader.java:109)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
com.mysql.jdbc.Driver
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:200)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188)
at 

Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Norbert Wenzel

Tobias Wendorff wrote:

Norbert Wenzel schrieb:
Ich glaub nur nicht, dass Daten in irgendeiner Form die tatsächliche 
Sicherheit im Straßenverkehr erhöhen.


Jetzt werden Dir aber die Verkehrs- und Unfallforscher kräftig einen
auf die Finger geben :-)

Direkt helfen die Daten nicht, aber indirekt. 


Ja, das hab ich schon direkt gemeint.


Wenn 10 Leute an der
gleichen Schranke pro Monat umkommen, wird die Bahn sicher schnell
reagieren (okay, vermutlich aber eher auf Druck der Presse, die aber
dann auf OSM-Daten für die Statistiken zurückgreifen kann).


Ah, jetzt dachte ich schon für einen kurzen Moment die DB wäre anders 
als die ÖBB. ;-)


Norbert




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[Talk-de] Video mit allen Openstreetmappern

2008-10-18 Thread John07
Für alle, die sich nach mehr Anerkennung und Ehre für ihre Arbeit bei 
OSM sehnen ;-) :
http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/?p=133

Ich hab meinen Namen sogar gefunden :-)
Grüße
Jonas

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Re: [Talk-de] Flächen auf die Straße ziehen?

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Drebert

Hallo,

wurde vor kurzen hier geschrieben, kann man machen wie man will, man sollte 
aber nicht anfangen überall rum zu ändern, sondern es lassen wie es ist.

Schöne Grüße
Thomas

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Hallo Mapper!

Ich habe gerade einemal die Daten in meiner Heimatstadt gesichtet. Dabei
ist mir ein Bereich aufgefallen in dem Flächen neben die Straßen gelegt
wurden wobei es zu Lücken (Blitzen) in der gerenderten Karte kommt.
(siehe Link:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.55365lon=7.207823zoom=18layers=B000FFF)

Mal ganz davon abgesehen das ich das Blitzen in der gerenderten Karte
nicht schön finde, bin ich der Meinung das die Flächen auf die Straßen
gezogen werden sollten (also auch auf die gleichen Nodes) um einen
sauberen Datenbestand zu erhalten. So sieht es auch z.B. das neue
Datenmodell ALKIS der Kataster- und Vermessungsämter in Deutschland vor.

Wie steht ihr dazu? Sollte ich diese Anpassung machen? 


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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Datei in MySQL Datenbank schreiben

2008-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Tim Krüger wrote:
 com.bretth.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: Unable to find
 database driver.
[...]
 Mein Betriebssystem ist übrigens Ubuntu 8.04! Schon einmal vielen dank
 das ihr euch bis hier her durchgewühlt habt.

apt-get install libmysql-java

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-18 Thread Michael Forster
Hi,
Wie würdet ihr eine Fahrradroute mappen, die über einen (recht großen,
verwinkelten) Platz führt? Der Platz existiert bereits und ist als Polygon
mit area=yes versehen. Die Fahrradroute (Relation mit type=route,
route=bicycle, network=lcn) führt mitten über den Platz. Der Radfahrer kann
sich seinen Weg selbst suchen, wird aber sicher nicht jedes Eck des Platzes
ausfahren.

Ich bin versucht, einen neuen Way (highway=cycleway) mitten über den Platz
zu ziehen. Ich habe ein bisschen Bedenken, weil das mehr ein virtueller
Weg ist, der physikalisch so nicht existiert. Den ganzen Platz aufzunehmen
gefällt mir aber noch weniger, weil die Route eben nur mitten drüber führt.

Was denkt ihr?

Mike
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Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-18 Thread Ulf Möller
Michael Forster schrieb:

 Den ganzen 
 Platz aufzunehmen gefällt mir aber noch weniger, weil die Route eben nur 
 mitten drüber führt.

Wieso? Wenn der Platz zur Route gehört und man ihn auf beliebigen 
Strecken überqueren kann, ist das doch genau richtig...


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Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-18 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Michael Forster schrieb:
 Was denkt ihr?

Der Renderer wird dahingehend optimiert werden müssen, dass er
jeden Weg - vermutlich den kürzesten - über die Fläche nehmen
kann.

Daher würde ich keinen virtuellen Weg anlegen.

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[Talk-de] link=yes

2008-10-18 Thread Dominik Spies
Hallo,

irgenwann hat mir das mal jemand auf der Liste genannt, da es ja kein
secondary_link gibt und ich den tatsächlich gebraucht hätte. Auch auf
der Discussion-Seite der Map Features wird es erwähnt.
Grundsätzlich wäre link aber auch bei jeglich Ein- und Ausfahrten die
sich gabeln sinnvoll, und dass kann auch mal bei einer normalen
residential oder unclassified sein.

Also: zum einen finde ich es vom Datenmodell her besser (wir machen ja
auch kein highway=track_1 , track_2 usw) und zweitens wäre dann auch
secondray, tertiray usw alles abgedeckt.

Was haltet ihr davon?

Gruß,

Dominik

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Re: [Talk-de] Schranke taggen

2008-10-18 Thread Stefan Neufeind
Marc Schütz wrote:
 Am Samstag 18 Oktober 2008 14:35:49 schrieb Andreas Labres:
 Ulf Möller wrote:
 Beide Sackgassen enden im selben Punkt, der Schranke.
 Das geht nicht. Damit wären sie verbunden. Und damit keine Sackgassen mehr.

 
 Die Straße hört doch aber unter der Schranke nicht auf? Wenn man die Schranke 
 wegdenkt, geht sie doch ganz normal weiter, oder? Dann muss sie auch 
 verbunden 
 werden.

Dem stimme ich zu.

Desweiteren stellt sich mir die Frage, wie wir denn Schranken 
einzeichnen die standardmäßig geöffnet (!) sind. Es gibt solche 
teilweise in Stadionnähe - die sind dann nur zu großen Spielen 
geschlossen o.ä.

   Stefan

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Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-18 Thread Michael Forster
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 13:02, Ulf Möller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Michael Forster schrieb:

  Den ganzen
  Platz aufzunehmen gefällt mir aber noch weniger, weil die Route eben nur
  mitten drüber führt.

 Wieso? Wenn der Platz zur Route gehört und man ihn auf beliebigen
 Strecken überqueren kann, ist das doch genau richtig...


Nun ja, der Platz ist halt groß und verwinkelt. So gesehen gehört nicht der
ganze Platz dazu, sondern nur der Teil, den man benötigt um ihn zu
überqueren. Dasselbe gilt ja für Straßen auch. Wenn ich eine Straße nur
zwischen zwei Kreuzungen benutze, dann mache ich auch nicht die ganze Straße
Teil der Relation, sondern ich teile sie auf. Das mit dem Aufteilen
funktioniert halt bei Plätzen nicht.

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Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradroute über einen Platz

2008-10-18 Thread Michael Forster
Hi,

Ich schrieb:

 Wie würdet ihr eine Fahrradroute mappen, die über einen (recht großen,
 verwinkelten) Platz führt?


Hier übrigens zur Veranschaulichung die Situation in JOSM mit den beiden
Optionen.

Die Relation ist in Rot markiert.

Mike

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Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-18 Thread Luciano Boschi


 Beh, per quello si dovrebbe vedere qual è il nome ufficiale.
 Se poi c'è un nome non ufficiale, ma più conosciuto (o altrettanto
 conosciuto) di quello ufficiale, si può sempre usare il tag loc_name.

 Mi accorgo adesso, ad esempio, che il Duomo di Catania sia in realtà
 la Cattedrale di Sant'Agata... devo cambiare un paio di tag :)

 Ciao
 --
 Luigi


Salve,

nel caso della Cattedrale di Santo Stefano (alias duomo di Prato) ho seguito
lo stesso ragionamento, sono contento di non essere il solo :) .

Per la questione generale, sono convito che si debba sempre mettere la
denominazione (Chiesa, Cattedrale, ecc). Non so se è il sistema migliore,
però da quello che ho capito è l'impostazione di OSM: così come si deve
sempre mettere (nel tag name) la denominazione per
Via/Viale/Vicolo.../Piazza/Piazzale... così dovrebbe valere per
Chiesa/Basilica/... ma anche per Fiume/Torrente/Ruscello .

Ciao

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Re: [Talk-it] domanda su amenity=place of worship

2008-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2008/10/18 Luciano Boschi [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Beh, per quello si dovrebbe vedere qual è il nome ufficiale.
 Se poi c'è un nome non ufficiale, ma più conosciuto (o altrettanto
 conosciuto) di quello ufficiale, si può sempre usare il tag loc_name.

 Mi accorgo adesso, ad esempio, che il Duomo di Catania sia in realtà
 la Cattedrale di Sant'Agata... devo cambiare un paio di tag :)

 Ciao
 --
 Luigi


 Salve,

 nel caso della Cattedrale di Santo Stefano (alias duomo di Prato) ho
 seguito lo stesso ragionamento, sono contento di non essere il solo :) .

 Per la questione generale, sono convito che si debba sempre mettere la
 denominazione (Chiesa, Cattedrale, ecc). Non so se è il sistema migliore,
 però da quello che ho capito è l'impostazione di OSM: così come si deve
 sempre mettere (nel tag name) la denominazione per
 Via/Viale/Vicolo.../Piazza/Piazzale... così dovrebbe valere per
 Chiesa/Basilica/... ma anche per Fiume/Torrente/Ruscello .

 Ciao

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si, nel caso delle chiese concordo anch'io, metto per es. parocchia, chiesa,
basilica, ...

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[Talk-it] Crema - università - ieri

2008-10-18 Thread Simone Cortesi
ciao,

ieri, Roberto Navoni ed io abbiamo tenuto una presentazione congiunta
dedicata ad openstreetmap agli studenti del Professor Giovanni
Righini, università di Milano, sede di Crema.

Il corso tenuto dal prof Righini è di Ricerca Operativa, calcolo
percorso ottimo, commesso viaggiatore. Un prodotto quale OSM è di
sicuro interesse per loro, visto che stanno lavorando ad un sitema per
migliorare le prestazioni del sitema 118 lombardo, cercando nuovi
posizionamenti elle basi operative delle ambulanze, del numero da
tenere impiegato, etc...

Io mi sono concentrato maggiormente sugli aspetti tecnici di
openstreetmap (formato dati, sistema di tag) e sulla comunità. Roberto
invece ha parlato di osm in generale, del grafo strade, degli
strumenti per analizzarlo e del suo nuovo navigatore handheld.

-S

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[Talk-it] Deposito autoveicoli rimossi

2008-10-18 Thread Roberto
Ciao.
Ho un dubbio circa un deposito autoveicoli rimossi del comune di Milano. 
Questo:

http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=45.48860406540128lon=9.173251234008642zoom=17layers=BF000F
è ben visibile dalle foto di Yahoo

Per il momento l'ho taggato con
area=yes
amenity=parking
name=Comune di Milano - Deposito autoveicol rimossi

Non sono completamente convinto di parking, anche se in pratica è un 
grosso parcheggio con qualche piccolo edificio. Qualche suggerimento?

Ciao
Robi

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[Talk-ar] Buenos aires Barcamp 2008

2008-10-18 Thread Juan F. Codagnone
Alguien está en la barcamp? Avisen. Soy reconocible por una remera de  
popego.com

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Re: [Talk-cz] Česká pošta - Pošty + Schrán ky

2008-10-18 Thread BH
  Nevím zda jste se někdo pokouel kontaktovat ČP, ale určitě by bylo zajímavé 
 do OSM vložit jejich DB se schránkami a poštami...

Mozna by stalo za to oslovit i jine firmy, ktere maji v CR dostatek
objektu, ktere by se mohly zanest do mapy.

Napr:

O2:
- telefonni budky (sice je spise rusi, ale furt jich maji po republice
spoustu), mozna i jejich prodejny

Dopravni podniky ruznych mest:
- zastavky (Napr. v Praze jsou zastavky tramvaji a metra vcelku
kompletni, ale s autobusy je to horsi. V jinych mestech s MHD (napr.
Hradec, Olomouc ... ) by se mohly obdobna data take hodit, byt tam
neznam stav v mape)

Ceske drahy:
 - zkusit z nich dostat nejakou mapku zeleznicni site ci zastavek.
Nejake trate v OSM jsou, ale rekl bych ze zdaleka ne vsechny. Nejakou
mapu jsem nasel na webu, ale to je male PNG, IMHO nepouzitelne.

Vetsi obchodni retezce (Tesco, Albert, atd ...):
 - super- a hyper- markety se do mapy vzdycky hodi...

Retezce benzinek (Benzina, Shell, atd ...):
 - benzinky by nemely v automape chybet :)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Česká pošta - Pošty + Schránky

2008-10-18 Thread Petr Dlouhý
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:11:09 +0200, BH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Udělal jsem v Praze několik částí linek tramvají (pomocí relací). Zatím se  
to asi nikde nezobrazuje, ale několik dalších měst je již má. Od  
dopravních podniků by se tedy hodili data o vedení linek (mají je na  
stránkách, ale asi není v pořádku je používat bez dovolení).

 Dopravni podniky ruznych mest:
 - zastavky (Napr. v Praze jsou zastavky tramvaji a metra vcelku
 kompletni, ale s autobusy je to horsi. V jinych mestech s MHD (napr.
 Hradec, Olomouc ... ) by se mohly obdobna data take hodit, byt tam
 neznam stav v mape)



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Re: [Talk-cz] Česká pošta - Pošty + Schrán ky

2008-10-18 Thread BH
On 18/10/2008, Petr Schonmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  O2:
   - telefonni budky (sice je spise rusi, ale furt jich maji po republice
   spoustu), mozna i jejich prodejny

 O2 jsem zkoušel, bohužel mi nebylo vyhověno - prý z bezpečnostních důvodů, že 
 by je zločinecké organizace mohli využívat právě k lokalizaci budek a treba 
 zlomyslneho volani.

Nechapu teda jak - snad leda pokud by k tem budkam dodali i telefonni
cisla, ale nam by stacily souradnice, cisla at si nechaji pro sebe :)
Mozna mam malou predstavivost, ale nevim jak by to zlocineckym
organizacim mohlo nejak pomoct.

I kdyz mohla by to byt zajimava feature, nekdo mi vola z budky a ja
hned znam jeho polohu. Tusim jeden software dodavany k mobilnimu
telefonu dokaze automaticky vygooglit volane cislo pri prichozim
hovoru (pokud neni v adresari) - to jestli to pak neco najde uz je
jina vec :)

Ale treba na seznamu ani atlasu, ani v google maps (byt tam se daji
nekdy poznat z leteckych fotek - pokud je clovek dokaze odlisit od
popelnic, ktere zeshora vypadaji dost podobne :), ani v infomape
telefonni budky nejsou, nevidel jsem je ani na zadne z papirovych map.
Takze O2 ty data asi nedala nikomu a nejspis se dotycnym autorum map
ani nechtelo to mapovat v terenu rucne.

Skoda. V podsledni czechii (czechia-081018.osm.bz2) jsem napocital
tech budek asi 53 (a po republice jich je asi 24000), takze pokryti
nic moc ...

   Vetsi obchodni retezce (Tesco, Albert, atd ...):
- super- a hyper- markety se do mapy vzdycky hodi...
  
   Retezce benzinek (Benzina, Shell, atd ...):
- benzinky by nemely v automape chybet :)

 Tyto data jsou docela pěkně zpracovány na poi.cz , co nějaká spolupráce ? 
 Dříve se tu o tom mluvilo.

Nekde na wiki jsem cetl, ze neco tam bylo importovano, ale ze ty
jejich body byly hodne nepresny (a nebyla ani vyjasnena licence),
takze se to pak zase smazalo. Tak nevim. Vi nekdo jaky je stav?

Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Deux côtés d'une même rue po rtant des noms différents

2008-10-18 Thread Pieren
Tu peux aussi utiliser tagwatch pour voir ce qui est le plus utilisé:
http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Europe/En/tags.html

left:name  : 4 rues
name:left  : 15 rues
name_left  : 50 rues

right:name  : 2 rues
name:right  : 11 rues
name_right  : 51 rues

Je viens aussi de voir que le statut de la proposition left_name avait
changé en abandoned. C'est fait par une personne qui n'est inscrit
que depuis 3 semaines. Je l'ai donc contacté pour avoir des
explications. Je pense qu'il faudra rouvrir la proposition mais en
changeant les clés en tenant compte de tagwatch.

Pieren

2008/10/17 Matthieu Lochegnies [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Eviter les duplications de vérific ations

2008-10-18 Thread Mik Doud
un petit up pour ceux qui voudraient faire leur choix sur les tags
essentiels à vérifier après un zonage:
http://www.doodle.ch/nnqrmd7ryv7dhpxe


Le 17 octobre 2008 17:05, sylvain letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :


  Mais vous semblez limiter votre outil à trois tags : highway, oneway
  et name. Peut-être que d'autres voudrons plus (ou moins).
 A chaque fois j'ai indiqué ces 3 cas là, car se sont les plus sensitif et
 facile à expliquer, sur le wiki je discute d'un framework pour indiquer
 des
 valeur qui manque, mais il n'y a pas de limitation
 Le format sur lequel j'envisage de faire des tests sera sans doute le
 suivant
 dans la base osm:
 internal:key_or_feature=*

 exemples :
 internal:name=none
 internal:name=nosign
 internal:ref=none
 internal:gps_track=bad
 internal:oneway=unknown
 internal:access=unknown
 internal:missing_street=yes

 c'est sans limite, c'est à discuter et ça aura peut-être de l'importance au
 fûr et à mesure que la base se remplie.

  Par contre, je ne vois pas pour le tag oneway. Est-ce que votre
  intention est de mettre oneway=no partout où ce n'est pas 'yes' ?
 c'est sur ce type de valeur que je suis le plus coincé, mais la solution du
 oneway=no me semble méga Ugly pour les raisons que tu évoques après.
 Et parce que la base risque de devenir pleine de no none no no none

 J'aime penser qu'une valeur qui est celle de la majorité (oneway=no) ne
 doit
 pas être indiquée

 Plein de débat en cours de ce type, pour l'instant il est relativement
 accepté
 qu'une exception doit être noté ( maxspeed=none, noname=__none__, etc.).
 Mais exception c'est très relatif, dans paris, je ne suis pas sur que le
 oneway=no l'emporte... faut il le mettre pour autant ? dans quel but ?

 Je vais donc tenter mon histoire sous la forme :
 si pas de internal:oneway=unknown pas d'alerte.

 Donc... et oui donc ça ne sert à rien ;-), ou alors il faut bien le mettre
 à
 un moment. Et ce moment propice, c'est peut-être lors de :
 - la création
 - après si on est sur qu'on est pas sur (difficile)

 De toute façon, on est coincé, sur un :
 highway=residential
 name=toto

 On ne sait pas, à moins de demander à son créateur (et encore) si la rue
 est :
 - double sens
 - ou que personne ne le sais

 or, si on veut passer un coup de balais, on a pas le choix il faut
 re-vérifier
 toutes ces rues


 --
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 qui suis-je : http://slyserv.dyndns.org



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Deux côtés d'une même rue p ortant des noms différents

2008-10-18 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/left_name
Je suis à l'origine de la proposition. C'est vrai que je l'avait un
peu quittée par manque de temps (et vu le peu d'intérêt qu'elle
suscitait). Ayant un peu plus de temps libre en ce moment, je suis
prêt à reprendre l'affaire.
 Je pense qu'il faudra rouvrir la proposition mais en
 changeant les clés en tenant compte de tagwatch.
Vu la faible utilisation je ne pense pas que tenir compte de tagwatch
soit une si bonne idée. Je suis prêt à aller changer manuellement les
50 rues si il faut.
Le mieux est de choisir un tag cohérent avec ce qui se fait ailleurs.
J'avais choisi right_name pour rester cohérent avec alt_name et
old_name. Après si quelqu'un d'autre à une autre vision je suis prêt à
changer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Deux côtés d'une même rue po rtant des noms différents

2008-10-18 Thread Dominique Rousseau
Le Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 09:49:54AM +, Vincent MEURISSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] a 
écrit:
 Le mieux est de choisir un tag cohérent avec ce qui se fait ailleurs.
 J'avais choisi right_name pour rester cohérent avec alt_name et
 old_name. Après si quelqu'un d'autre à une autre vision je suis prêt à
 changer.

L'usage, pour les boundary, c'est left:type (region, departement, ...)
apparemment



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Dominique Rousseau

Si cinquante millions de gens disent une sottise,
ça n'en reste pas moins une sottise.  -- Anatole France

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] encore de la lecture

2008-10-18 Thread Dominique Rousseau
Le Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 09:44:33PM +0200, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
 Deux sujets sur la liste de discussion du Georezo qui peuvent être 
 profitables au débat sur des données cadastrales publiques (avec des 
 vrais morceaux d'actualité dedans) :
 
 http://georezo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=56371
 http://georezo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=57297

Tu peux faire un résumé ?
(la consultation du forum est réservée aux inscrits)

-- 
Dominique Rousseau

Si cinquante millions de gens disent une sottise,
ça n'en reste pas moins une sottise.  -- Anatole France

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] encore de la lecture

2008-10-18 Thread Dominique Rousseau
Le Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 09:57:08AM -0500, Franck Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED] a 
écrit:
 
 Bonjour,
 
 La consultation des forums n'est pas réservé aux inscrits sur le GeoRezo ( 
 http://georezo.net/ ).
 Seulement l'envoi de réponses ou les téléchargements de pièces jointes.

Ah ben le suer-agent devait pas lui plaire.
Là, avec un Firefox, ça fonctionne, en effet.



-- 
Dominique Rousseau

Si cinquante millions de gens disent une sottise,
ça n'en reste pas moins une sottise.  -- Anatole France

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: State Of The Map 2009 - Lieu pour la conférence

2008-10-18 Thread Valerie-Emma Leroux
Frédéric Bonifas a écrit :
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Frédéric Bonifas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:02:58 +0200
 Subject: State Of The Map 2009 - Lieu pour la conférence
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Depuis la liste talk :
 
 --
 
 Les candidatures pour accueillir le State Of The Map 2009 qui se
 déroulera les 11 et 12 juillet 2009 sont maintenant ouvertes. Plus
 d'informations sont disponibles ici (en anglais) :
 http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=318
 

Merci pour l'info (on doit être nombreux à ne pas lire la liste anglaise 
par manque de temps (flemme ? :P)).

J'allais répondre : ça tombe en même temps que les RMLL 2009 :(.

Et puis quelques secondes après : ça serait pas un super moyen de lier 
les deux ?
En effet les RMLL 2009 commencent leur semaine par un lien avec un 
symposium sur les SIG libres qui se déroulent en même temps à Nantes.
Alors terminer la semaine par la réunion mondiale OSM, ça serait une 
jolie apothéose...

Néanmoins c'est sans doute trop gros de lier tous ces évènements, 
d'autant que pas mal des OSMeurs locaux (rennais et nantais) sont déjà 
impliqués fortement dans les RMLL et ne pourront pas porter un tel 
projet en première ligne.

Enfin en tous les cas, ça fera autant d'OSMeurs français qui ne pourront 
pas se rendre au State of the Map 2009 où qu'il se passe hors Nantes... :(

VE

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Re: [Talk-GB] URGENT: potential stand at Linux Expo Live

2008-10-18 Thread Grant Slater
SteveC wrote:
 We have potential to run a stand at

   Linux Expo Live, next week, 23rd to 25th october at Olympia

 Anyone interested? Please co-ordinate here and then nominate someone  
 to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
   

I can do 23rd and 24th at least.

Anyone have any display materials or cool OSM things to loan? I'm can 
collect.

/ Grant - Firefishy


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[Talk-GB] Reminder - Manchester Mapping Weekend - 25/26 Oct

2008-10-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
A reminder that the Manchester Mapping Party is less than a week away. Its
great to see so many already signed up, but we can certainly do with some
more if we want to go off cake and trump the great success in Bradford
last month. All are welcome, experienced mappers and those wanting to try it
out alike.

We are based all weekend at the Marbella Café at Sunshine Studios on Newton
St where we will have free cakes and buns for all :-)

Loads of details on the wiki at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Manchester/Mapping_Party;

See you there for more mapping mayhem!

Cheers

Andy


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[Talk-us] MASSGis legal question

2008-10-18 Thread David Carmean

If anyone involved in the MASSGis import sees this and has time, 
would you be willing/able to discuss your process of working through 
the legal considerations of importing this data?

FWIW, I spent a week in the Boston area last week and used the MASSGis 
viewer (not OSM) to pre-scout photography locations.  I'm quite impressed 
by the application and data.



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