Re: [talk-ph] Mindanao Avenue to NLEX
great. i just sent an email a few days ago and there it is on the map cheers! -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:30 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/BlueArrow/traces/738264 On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:29 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Justas I wast about to edit, bluearrow already beat me! http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4978582 Nice job! On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:21 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jayzee/traces/737359 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] cost of GPS data loggers
Any site that compares loggers vs the garmins and what not etc? In terms of accuracy or something? So I could get one of these bluetooth devices, tape it to the top of my vehicle and use my phone as the logger via Blue tooth? Awesome! Now I only wish you didnt have to stop to mark a POI and could mark POI's on the go :) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010
Hi guys, Can the board have a meeting before the month's end? We need to discuss post-incorporation tasks like getting a dry seal, opening a bank account, determining which assets go to OSM-PH Inc. (e.g., OSMtogo GPS units?), formulating/adopting a rules of order for meetings, registering with the BIR, etc. I think we can have it together with the Skillshare meeting? Eugene On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.comwrote: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6158778id=345455082596 We are official! Any words from our new President (of OSM PH). :) How do we let the OSM Foundation know we exist? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010
+1, everyone is welcome to join (not just the incorporators) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can have it together with the Skillshare meeting? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] GPS on a Vespa PX150 (Fwd: talk-ph post from carlos.tir...@gmail.com requires approval)
@ carlos, we have limited space for messages in the talk-ph list. Forwarding your message to the list. I like the old looks of vespa. :) Subject: GPS on a Vespa PX150 Just want to share: Installed my Garmin to the Vespa PX150e for our ride to Mt. Data over the long weekend. We didn't make it to Mt. Data because of a landslide so we stayed put at La Union. On the way back, lost the pack several times and had to rely on my GPS. Good thing I hadn't reset all the trip data and still had my traces to follow back. Would've been a different story if we were allowed on NLEX, but with a 150cc engine, your only choice was to take the back roads. Have traces and some POIs to share. I just have to figure out how to clean up my data and how to upload it. Hoping I can still add some useful information to the database. When's the newbie tutorial? Game na! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010
should be on the list. FYI, Requirements / Guidelines for Chapters http://docs.google.com/View?id=dd8ngscc_11f58875c7 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: When is the skillshare supposed to be again? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Events/SkillShare Eugene proposed June 19 or 26 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Small village high detail low angle orthorectification
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Tristan Scott trs...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have experience of this, who could point me in the direction of the appropriate JOSM plugin, or external software? I have Linux (Gentoo) and Windows XP on systems used for mapping. This must be a fairly common issue for mappers, right? It's not very common, but it's certainly something that's been done before. Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stratford-upon-Avon/Imagery From the sounds of your email the photos aren't going to be much use though - they need to within 30° of the vertical really. Otherwise it's just the same effect as looking at the photo and mentally warping them (just making judgement calls as to roughly what goes where). You'll notice the problems when you have 3+ overlapping photos. Also, try to avoid warping against OSM data, and especially don't change OSM data to match any images that have been warped using the same OSM data. It's very tempting and easy to do but you end up chasing your own tail! Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
I have a Garmin Nüvi 205 which I normally load with an OSM map if I go to Germany. The standard map on the device is NL-BE-FR with bordersections of DE. Usually I get the tiles I need from Lambertus, but yesterday I took the basemap for germany from All_in_one_Garmin_Map. While I was at the far point of my trip and wanted to go home (about 275 km), my Garmin was unable to calculate a route. It came up to 99% and then failed. This also happened in the morning on the way to the first waypoint: the Garmin made a dumb routing choice (for the locals: A40 Dutch border to A4 Engelskirchen via A57 and the center of Cologne) and I drove the route that I knew was best, and as soon as the device noticed that I didn't take the route it calculated, it calculated again and failed. A route of just 100 km. In both cases, as I got closer, the route could be calculated. The Garmin has 3 routing modes: fastest, shortest and most economic route. I normally have it on fastest route, but when I put it on most economic route for the way back, it did calculate a route (and wanted to get me off the motorway at every turn), while it still did not want to route me on fastest route (that was between Soest and Dortmund). Does anyone have similar experiences, and maybe an explanation why this happenes? Are the OSM maps too detailed for a simple device like this to calculate? Cloudmade calculates both routes as expected, so I would exclude data error (e.g. non-connected roads) from the problem. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
Hi Maarten, On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: While I was at the far point of my trip and wanted to go home (about 275 km), my Garmin was unable to calculate a route. It came up to 99% and then failed. This also happened in the morning on the way to the first waypoint: the Garmin made a dumb routing choice (for the locals: A40 Dutch border to A4 Engelskirchen via A57 and the center of Cologne) and I drove the route that I knew was best, and as soon as the device noticed that I didn't take the route it calculated, it calculated again and failed. A route of just 100 km. I have observed that happening when there are ways which are not connected properly. And hence, device can't find the route and fails with Routing Error. Its a data quality problem and not the device issue. If you can narrow down to the problem area on the map, there must be one junction where two or more ways on the route are not connected. Edit it on JOSM, recreate the map image using mkgmap and reload it into the device for testing. regards, Nishant -- How about some patent on (a+b)2 = a2+2ab+b2. Choose free software! http://www.nishants.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
2010/6/14 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Cloudmade calculates both routes as expected, so I would exclude data error (e.g. non-connected roads) from the problem. Don't know how often cloudmate refreshes it's routing data, but if it's the same they use for their renderings it is quite old, so maybe you were suffering from a newly introduced error that is not (yet) in cloudmates copy of the data. Still I can confirm that on my 60 CSx I have problems calculating very long routes in Pedestrian mode (routes for hundreds of km), resulting in the same error (stops at 99%), but if I route for cars there were never these kind of problems (beside data errors). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Feature creating/proposing process not working for updates / changes (here farm/farmland)
Hi, recently on the Italian ML arose the question, whether to use farm or farmland. Checking the wiki popped up this recently (12 days) created page that stated landuse=farmland to be obsoleted. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Farmoldid=482025 the same user set http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/farmlandoldid=482030 to Abandoned. Checking tagwatch Europe this feature is more than 4 times in use so I think it cannot be described as abandoned. (farm is actually 120.000 times in use). I tried to set the proposal to active (as active it is according to tagwatch), but Active wasn't recognized by the template so I changed it to Approved and added a hint at Voting (voting by usage, not wiki-voting-process). The is also a paragraph on the farm-page about the problem: Controversies This tag had been misunderstood by some users (notably by many German people) and used for tagging also farmyards. As a consequence the tag farmland was adopted to denote tillage and pasture. At the moment both farm and farmland are used, the former probable still for some farmyards, the latter is the preset value in JOSM. See Proposed_features/farmland. but actually this doesn't seem to dissolve itself automatically. Any ideas? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Feature creating/proposing process not working for updates / changes (here farm/farmland)
On 15 June 2010 00:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but actually this doesn't seem to dissolve itself automatically. Any ideas? status=Defacto Also wouldn't this have been better sent to the tagging list? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Small village high detail low angle orthorectification
On 13 Jun 2010, at 6:46 , Tristan Scott wrote: Does anyone have experience of this, who could point me in the direction of the appropriate JOSM plugin, or external software? I have Linux (Gentoo) and Windows XP on systems used for mapping. Qgis is good for that. you can download or import osm data and rectify by choosing points from osm data. didnt't manage to edit any osm data directly in osm. instead create a new layer, export as shape and convert to osm for editing in josm. but this is not very accurate and can be used only with a lot of guessing and local knowledge This must be a fairly common issue for mappers, right? Tristan Scott BSc(Hons) Yare Valley Technical Services 07837 205829 01603 858441 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
निशांत / Nishant nishantsharma.in at gmail.com writes:
While I was at the far point of my trip and wanted to go home (about 275
km), my Garmin was unable to calculate a route.
I have observed that happening when there are ways which are not
connected properly. And hence, device can't find the route and fails
with Routing Error. Its a data quality problem and not the device
issue.
If you can narrow down to the problem area on the map, there must be
one junction where two or more ways on the route are not connected.
I'd like to give a mention to http://keepright.ipax.at/ for those who are
not aware of it. It flags these routing problems ('almost-junctions', and
roads that cross without an intersection node) so they can be found quickly.
--
Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
FWIW, I have seen similar problems with my Vista HCx (and Garmin RoadTrip on my mac!) failing to find a route where Cloudmade happily finds one. Perhaps the multi-tile routing problems mentioned at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/routing/issues#Errors_calculating_long_inter-tile_routes ? -- Ture ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/6/14 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Cloudmade calculates both routes as expected, so I would exclude data error (e.g. non-connected roads) from the problem. Don't know how often cloudmate refreshes it's routing data, but if it's the same they use for their renderings it is quite old, so maybe you were suffering from a newly introduced error that is not (yet) in cloudmates copy of the data. Cloudmate data refreshes at least weekly, I think more often. The tiles are rendered less frequently. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Does anyone have similar experiences, and maybe an explanation why this happenes? Are the OSM maps too detailed for a simple device like this to calculate? Using a separate *set* of maps for Australia, I have had trouble with calculating a route that crossed a border from one map in the set to another. The distance involved is not the problem in this case, but the existence of the border. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down
Presumably someone knows about this and is fixing it, but just in case: The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) Feel free to contact the OpenStreetMap community if your problem persists. Make a note of the exact URL / post data of your request. This may be a problem in our Ruby On Rails code. 500 occurs with exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably someone knows about this and is fixing it, but just in case: The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) Feel free to contact the OpenStreetMap community if your problem persists. Make a note of the exact URL / post data of your request. This may be a problem in our Ruby On Rails code. 500 occurs with exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) They're working on it: http://twitter.com/openstreetmap/status/16195399894 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down
Unscheduled maintenance, I like it. :) On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably someone knows about this and is fixing it, but just in case: ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Xastir (Ham Radio APRS program for Linux) now reads OSM maps
Fantastic! Thanks Andrew. Hi all, I have posted an announcement on the OSM Announce list, but in case anyone missed it I'd like to mention here that Xastir now has 'alpha' support for OSM map tiles. This is probably only of interest to radio amateurs, but it's good to see another 'consumer' of OSM data. You can follow the discussion thread here: http://lists.xastir.org/pipermail/xastir/2010-June/017939.html To use this new feature you will have to compile the latest version of Xastir from source (CVS). There are instructions for doing this at the Wiki. Here is one example: http://www.xastir.org/wiki/HowTo:Ubuntu_10.04 Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map
Agree - thanks for pointing this out. We'll work on making the TCs easier to understand. -- Nick On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 09/06/10 19:47, Nick Black wrote: Sorry you've hit problems with our TCs - its certainly not our intention to block your use. So long as you respect the terms of CC-by-SA and don't exceed the limits on the use of our Vector Stream Server, posted here: http://support.cloudmade.com/answers/specialist-tools - there will be no problems. Hi Nick, Thanks - that's good to know. Although you may want to consider revisiting the way you present your Ts and Cs, considering some of the more detailed comments I made on them elsewhere in this thread, to try and help people who _do_ care about the legality of their use to understand what your requirements are without having to digest six pagest of legalese. :-) Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Highway classifications
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:51:21 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2010 15:45, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, do you know what it is? In in case though, you're going to need a council document defining how each road is classified. Nope, others seem to either come across this as part of their work, or know others that do. Qld government one: http://www.qsic.qld.gov.au/qsic/qsic.nsf/CPByUNID/F9E572D8622697FB4A2576F0001171B9 It also describes the standard for road names ie no abbreviations at all. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Buildings
No. But when I do buildings, it's almost always as part of a larger compound of some sort. So a I might tag a whole area as a school or tafe, retail centre or church, then tag the buldings inside them as just building. If I was doing stand-alone buildings I would be more likely to tag them separately. Stephen On 13 June 2010 17:56, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I know this was a pet topic of Steve, the wiki page for buildings suggests building:use=* for the use but has anyone tagging buildings with anything other than building=yes? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Trilhas com Holux M-1000C do projeto GPS Brasil
Olá, já enviei as primeiras trilhas coletadas com o datalogger fornecido pelo projeto GPS Brasil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rodrigo%20Avila/traces/tag/gpsbrasil Vou procurar fazer sempre o upload usando a tag #gpsbrasil, para diferenciar de outras trilhas. O que já deu pra notar é a qualidade da trilha: parece ser bem melhor que as coletadas com o N95. Já fiz várias correções de traçado em ruas de Brochier e Maratá (RS); algumas delas notoriamente erradas quando comparadas com a trilha nova. Em breve, escrevo um documento, ensinando a manusear o aparelho (que, aliás, é minúsculo: parece uma caixa de fósforos). Um abraço. P.S.: algumas trilhas tem muitos pontos no mesmo lugar (capturados durante o tempo em que se retira as trilhas do aparelho). Se alguém souber como remover esses pontos, antes de fazer o upload do arquivo, eu agradeço a informação. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento (51) 9733-3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Trilhas com Holux M-1000C do projeto GPS Brasil
Maneiríssimo! :) A parte da trilha ser melhor do que a do N95 muito me interessa. Em mais ou menos quanto tempo você conseguiu um cold fix? Eu tenho um GPS Bluetooth fraquinho mas quando o conecto em qualquer aparelho para usar de logger (por exemplo o próprio N95) ele leva eras (mais de 20 minutos) para conseguir sinal. []s Em 14 de junho de 2010 15:02, Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br escreveu: Olá, já enviei as primeiras trilhas coletadas com o datalogger fornecido pelo projeto GPS Brasil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rodrigo%20Avila/traces/tag/gpsbrasil Vou procurar fazer sempre o upload usando a tag #gpsbrasil, para diferenciar de outras trilhas. O que já deu pra notar é a qualidade da trilha: parece ser bem melhor que as coletadas com o N95. Já fiz várias correções de traçado em ruas de Brochier e Maratá (RS); algumas delas notoriamente erradas quando comparadas com a trilha nova. Em breve, escrevo um documento, ensinando a manusear o aparelho (que, aliás, é minúsculo: parece uma caixa de fósforos). Um abraço. P.S.: algumas trilhas tem muitos pontos no mesmo lugar (capturados durante o tempo em que se retira as trilhas do aparelho). Se alguém souber como remover esses pontos, antes de fazer o upload do arquivo, eu agradeço a informação. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento (51) 9733-3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Trilhas com Holux M-1000C do projeto GPS Brasil
Never mind, Acabei de ver no subject do email... []s 2010/6/14 Ronaldo Maia mai...@gmail.com: Uma dúvida: Qual é o aparelho que está usando? Marca/modelo/links? []s 2010/6/14 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br: Olá, já enviei as primeiras trilhas coletadas com o datalogger fornecido pelo projeto GPS Brasil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rodrigo%20Avila/traces/tag/gpsbrasil Vou procurar fazer sempre o upload usando a tag #gpsbrasil, para diferenciar de outras trilhas. O que já deu pra notar é a qualidade da trilha: parece ser bem melhor que as coletadas com o N95. Já fiz várias correções de traçado em ruas de Brochier e Maratá (RS); algumas delas notoriamente erradas quando comparadas com a trilha nova. Em breve, escrevo um documento, ensinando a manusear o aparelho (que, aliás, é minúsculo: parece uma caixa de fósforos). Um abraço. P.S.: algumas trilhas tem muitos pontos no mesmo lugar (capturados durante o tempo em que se retira as trilhas do aparelho). Se alguém souber como remover esses pontos, antes de fazer o upload do arquivo, eu agradeço a informação. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento (51) 9733-3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Ronaldo Maia -- Ronaldo Maia ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Trilhas com Holux M-1000C do projeto GPS Brasil
Em 14 de junho de 2010 15:19, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Em mais ou menos quanto tempo você conseguiu um cold fix? O pior tempo até agora foram 4 minutos. Mas isto foi dentro do escritório. Com o carro em movimento, já chegou a levar 2 minutos. Mas normalmente ele leva entre 30 segundos e 1 minuto (mesmo dentro de casa). Já um warm fix não leva mais de 2 segundos, não importa o lugar. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento (51) 9733-3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Trilhas com Holux M-1000C do projeto GPS Brasil
Maravilha. Vou pedir um pra mim também. Eu cheguei a comprar um software para iPod Touch para testar o GPS Bluetooth (já que eu não poderia fazê-lo com notebook) mas demora muito. Acho que com esse vai funcionar legal. []s Em 14 de junho de 2010 15:26, Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br escreveu: Em 14 de junho de 2010 15:19, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Em mais ou menos quanto tempo você conseguiu um cold fix? O pior tempo até agora foram 4 minutos. Mas isto foi dentro do escritório. Com o carro em movimento, já chegou a levar 2 minutos. Mas normalmente ele leva entre 30 segundos e 1 minuto (mesmo dentro de casa). Já um warm fix não leva mais de 2 segundos, não importa o lugar. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento (51) 9733-3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Donau
Ich würde erwarten dass wenn ich die Relation: Danube (89652) mit JOSM herunterlade (über Objekt herunterladen) den kompletten Verlauf der Donau bekomme. Das funktioniert jetzt auch, allerdings bekomme ich Teile in JOSM als Genze angezeigt und nicht als Waterway. Das dürften auch die Stellen sein die als Unterbrechung im Relation Analyzer angezeigt werden. Ähnlich siehts auch beim Rhein aus (ID: 123924). Für mich als Neuling ist es nicht ganz klar warum das so ist. Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:41:29 +0200 Von: Florian Gross usenet-spam-genausoguel...@grossing.de An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Donau o...@gmx.biz glaubte zu wissen: Ich sehe im Relation Analyzer 8 Segmente die nicht verbunden sind. Jaein. Die Donau ist stellenweise etwas speziell. Die teilt sich mehrmals und geht wieder zusammen. Wenn ich nicht ganz falsch liege, kann das der Analyzer so nicht erkennen. In JOSM sieht man Lücken im Verlauf die als Grenze dargestellt werden z.B hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.55232lon=13.64165zoom=17layers=B000FTF Wo genau siehst du Lücken? Bei mir ist alles zusammenhängend. Gibts es hier immernoch Unvollständigkeiten? Wo genau siehst du Unvollständigkeiten? flo -- Was für sinnentleerte Idioten seid ihr eigentlich? Immer das was du nicht erwartest Swinigel. [WoKo in dag°] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Donau
Am 14. Juni 2010 08:06 schrieb o...@gmx.biz: Ich würde erwarten dass wenn ich die Relation: Danube (89652) mit JOSM herunterlade (über Objekt herunterladen) den kompletten Verlauf der Donau bekomme. Das funktioniert jetzt auch, allerdings bekomme ich Teile in JOSM als Genze angezeigt und nicht als Waterway. wenn die Donau sowohl Grenze als auch Fluss ist, dann muss sich die Anwendung entscheiden (zumind. JOSM), was dargestellt werden soll. Es handelt sich dann aber vermutlich trotzdem um einen Fluss (waterway=river). Das siehst Du in den Tags, nicht an den Farben. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Donau
o...@gmx.biz glaubte zu wissen: Ich würde erwarten dass wenn ich die Relation: Danube (89652) mit JOSM herunterlade (über Objekt herunterladen) den kompletten Verlauf der Donau bekomme. Das funktioniert jetzt auch, allerdings bekomme ich Teile in JOSM als Genze angezeigt und nicht als Waterway. Das dürften auch die Stellen sein die als Unterbrechung im Relation Analyzer angezeigt werden. Ähnlich siehts auch beim Rhein aus (ID: 123924). Für mich als Neuling ist es nicht ganz klar warum das so ist. Zwei Möglichkeiten: - Stellenweise wurde an den Weg der Donau die Tags der Grenze angepappt. Schau dir mal alle Tags durch, da taucht dann auch die Donau auf. - Bin mir grad nicht sicher ob es hier so ist, es können zwei Wege übereinander liegen und JOSM wählt *einen* der beiden aus, wenn man drauf klickt. Wenn die erste Möglichkeit nicht zutrifft, zoome weit heran, geh mit dem Mauszeiger über den Weg, drück die mittlere Maustaste und drücke auf STRG während du noch die Maustaste gedrückt hälst. Wenn du STRG drückst kannst du die Maustaste loslassen und siehst ein Menü, das dir anzeigt, welche Wege da liegen. STRG gedrückt halten und mit der linken Maustaste den gewünschten Weg/die gewünschten Wege aus- oder abwählen. Wenn etwas unklar ist, frag ruhig nach, entweder hier oder im Chat #osm-de auf dem Server irc.oftc.net Im Chat hast unter der Woche so ab 18h gute Chancen jemanden zu erwischen. flo -- Du darfst ruhig mal rumfragen, wie oft Ich das am Anfasng meiner Netzlaufbahn gemacht habe. Aber bitte setz dich vorher bequem hin.[WoKo in dag°] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Ampeln (Was: Kreuzungstopologie Was: Neue Stats zum OSM DE Routing View (11.6.10))
Moin, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 12. Juni 2010 21:35 schrieb Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de: Das stimmt, aber hätte ich die Kreuzung der Straßen und die Kreuzung des Rad/Fußwegs mit den Straßen topologisch korrekt erfasst, dann hätte ich auf jeder Straßenseite an beiden Kreuzungspunkten eine Ampel anbringen müssen, was mir nicht besonders gefällt, da dort ja tatsächlich nur eine Ampel ist. das ist allerdings an allen Ampeln so, für die es bisher noch kein System gibt, dass detaillierte Informationen über Standorte, Richtungen etc. erlaubt. Dafür wären wohl relationen erforderlich. da mich das mit den bisherigen 'unkorrekten' Abbildungen auch stört, habe ich mal die Gedanken spielen lassen: Bisheriger Zustand: a) Ampeln als Kreuzungspunkt-Objekt Ausreichend für Renderer, für Router aber nur bei einfachen Weg-Kreuzungen. Sobald aber mehrere Verkehrswege parallel führen, muss man entweder die Weg-Topologie verbiegen oder alle Kreuzungspunkte taggen, wodurch sich auf dem Weg dann mehr Ampeln bzw. deren Haltelinien befinden,als tatsächlich für einen Router oder Renderer relevant sind. b) Ampeln als Punktobjekte am Standort der Haltelinie Ausreichend für Renderer, für Router aber nur bei Einrichtungswegen. Bei Zweirichtungswegen fehlt für Router die Richtungsinfo, wodurch sich auf dem Weg mehr Ampeln bzw. deren Haltelinien befinden, als tatsächlich für den Router relevant sind. c) Ampeln am Standort der Ampel Ausreichend für Renderer, für Router müssen alle Informationen durch Relation(en) angeben werden. These: Wie schaut es jetzt aus, wenn man die Ampel mal von Ihrem Punkt-Objekt löst und analog wie bei einem Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkungsschild ihre Wirkung auf den Wegabschnitt kennzeichnet? Eine Ampel sichert ja tatsächlich den in Fahrtrichtung folgenden Wegabschnitt phasenweise vor dem Betreten/Befahren. Wenn man jetzt also die Eigenschaft Ampelgesichert am entsprechenden Way angibt. Damit ließen sich -soweit ich es bisher durchgespielt habe - alle Routing-relevanten Informationen m. E. halbwegs einfach und direkt auch ohne Relationen angeben Hat natürlich den üblichen Nachteil der Wegzersplitterung. Mehrere zusammenhängende als Ampelgesichert getaggte Ways - wie sie ja wegen der Routen-Trennung vorkommen können - gelten auch als zusammenhängend, so dass eine Ampel bzw. ihre Wirkung (Haltelinie) sich also immer nur am Übergang ungesichert/gesichert in Fahrtrichtung befindet. Programmtechnisch könnte ein Renderer an jedem Eintrittspunkt (Haltelinie) ein Ampelsymbol anzeigen. Man könnte aber auch einen losgelösten Node als Ampelsysmbol für den Renderer angeben - oder eben mehrere (reales Ampelobjekt). Lösgelöst - oder jedenfalls im Way nur dort wo er immer gilt - damit Kreuzungspunkt-Ampel-Nodes bzw. Haltelinien-Ampel-Nodes für die einfachen Routing-Fälle parallel bestehen bleiben können. Weitergehende Informationen wie der Zusammenhang bzw. die Abhängigkeit von Ampeln untereinander lassen sich natürlich sowieso nur mit Relationen abbilden. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Landkreis Ahrweiler Grenzen in OSM
Hallo OSM'ler. Eure Hilfe benötige ich. Für eine Dokumentation möchte ich über die OSM Karte die grenzen des Landkreises Ahrweiler einzeichnen. Wikipedia konnte ich auch den Kreisschlüssel 07131 entnehmen. Doch hilft mir nicht nur die Außengrenze sondern ich bräuchte auch die Grenzen im Landkreis von den 74 Gemeinden. Was OSM mir bietet ist das: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.4772lon=7.0491zoom=12layers=B000FTF Das reicht mir nicht. Die Erwartung ist nicht, dass ich ein Lösung bekomme. Aber wo finde ich eine Dokumentation wie ich als Leihe die Grenzen als Overlay einzeichnen kann. Vielen Dank für Eure Infos. Gruß Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Landkreis Ahrweiler Grenzen in OSM
Am 14.06.2010 13:51, schrieb Markus Zielonka: Hallo OSM'ler. Eure Hilfe benötige ich. Für eine Dokumentation möchte ich über die OSM Karte die grenzen des Landkreises Ahrweiler einzeichnen. Wikipedia konnte ich auch den Kreisschlüssel 07131 entnehmen. Doch hilft mir nicht nur die Außengrenze sondern ich bräuchte auch die Grenzen im Landkreis von den 74 Gemeinden. Ich habe ein Tool geschreieben, was die Gemeindegrenze, die Korrekt mit AGS getaggt sind auslistet. Siehe: http://svenanders.openstreetmap.de/ags/Deutschland/Rheinland-Pfalz/Ahrweiler/index.html (ohne Zeilenumbruch) Ich vermute also, das es die meisten Gemeindegrenzen noch nicht gibt. Gruß Sven smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Landkreis Ahrweiler Grenzen in OSM
Vielen Dank für die Info. Werde es am PC mal angucken. Gruß Markus Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 14.06.2010 um 15:51 schrieb Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de: Am 14.06.2010 13:51, schrieb Markus Zielonka: Hallo OSM'ler. Eure Hilfe benötige ich. Für eine Dokumentation möchte ich über die OSM Karte die grenzen des Landkreises Ahrweiler einzeichnen. Wikipedia konnte ich auch den Kreisschlüssel 07131 entnehmen. Doch hilft mir nicht nur die Außengrenze sondern ich bräuchte auch die Grenzen im Landkreis von den 74 Gemeinden. Ich habe ein Tool geschreieben, was die Gemeindegrenze, die Korrekt mit AGS getaggt sind auslistet. Siehe: http://svenanders.openstreetmap.de/ags/Deutschland/Rheinland-Pfalz/Ahrweiler/index.html (ohne Zeilenumbruch) Ich vermute also, das es die meisten Gemeindegrenzen noch nicht gibt. Gruß Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] tagging Gemeindegrenzen: nichtverbundene Te ilflächen
Hallo zusammen, Situation: Eine Gemeinde besteht aus 2 nicht miteinander verbundenen Teilflächen. Dazwischen liegt eine weitere Gemeinde. Je eine Relation für die Ortsteile admin_level 9und beide Relationen in eine weitere Relation für die gesamte Gemeinde admin_level 8 packen? Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] tagging Gemeindegrenzen: nichtverbundene Te ilflächen
Am 14. Juni 2010 16:43 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de: Hallo zusammen, Situation: Eine Gemeinde besteht aus 2 nicht miteinander verbundenen Teilflächen. Dazwischen liegt eine weitere Gemeinde. Je eine Relation für die Ortsteile admin_level 9und beide Relationen in eine weitere Relation für die gesamte Gemeinde admin_level 8 packen? Für Level 8 musst du die Grenzen beide mit der Rolle outer eintragen. Dies funktioniert auch bei nicht mit einanderverbundenen ways gut. Als Beispiel kann hierfür Lauf a.d.P. dienen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/163109 Ciao André ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Landkreis Ahrweiler Grenzen in OSM
Am Montag 14 Juni 2010, 16:41:34 schrieb Markus Zielonka: Von meinem iPhone gesendet Und wen interessiert das? Gruß, Bernd -- Früher dachten wir ja auch: Ich denke, also bin ich. Heute wissen wir: Geht auch so. - Dieter Nuhr (dt. Comedian) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] tagging Gemeindegrenzen: nichtverbundene Te ilflächen
Am 14.06.2010 16:54, schrieb André Riedel: Am 14. Juni 2010 16:43 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de: Hallo zusammen, Situation: Eine Gemeinde besteht aus 2 nicht miteinander verbundenen Teilflächen. Dazwischen liegt eine weitere Gemeinde. Je eine Relation für die Ortsteile admin_level 9und beide Relationen in eine weitere Relation für die gesamte Gemeinde admin_level 8 packen? Für Level 8 musst du die Grenzen beide mit der Rolle outer eintragen. Dies funktioniert auch bei nicht mit einanderverbundenen ways gut. Als Beispiel kann hierfür Lauf a.d.P. dienen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/163109 Scheint nicht ganz exakt das zu sein, was mir vorschwebt. Schätze da muss ich mal ein wenig experementieren. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] tagging Gemeindegrenzen: nichtverbundene Te ilflächen
hi, das ist ein klassischer fall für multipolygon - relationen. genau wie oben erwähnt (inner/outer) das wird hier immer verwendet wenn z.b. eine gemeinde exclaven oder exclaven hat. ein beispiel dafür ist bremerhaven. ich glaube mal, da mußt du durch - ob es dir gefällt oder nicht - nur so geht es vernünftig. mfg walter - Der Student muß es wissen. Der Assistent muß wissen, wo es steht. Der Professor hat Assistenten. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/tagging-Gemeindegrenzen-nichtverbundene-Teilflachen-tp5177725p5178231.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] tagging Gemeindegrenzen: nichtverbundene Te ilflächen
On 14.06.10 16:43, René Falk wrote: Situation: Eine Gemeinde besteht aus 2 nicht miteinander verbundenen Teilflächen. Dazwischen liegt eine weitere Gemeinde. Ein Multipolygon kann problemlos aus mehreren getrennten, geschlossenen Teilflächen bestehen. Unser klassisches Beispiel ist das Bundesland Tirol: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/52343 Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] 1-Euro-Jobber als Mapper einsetzen
davon mal ab, bezahlt der steuerzahler nicht schon leute bei Katasteramt um zu mappen? warum sollen wird dann nochmal dafür zahlen damit ein euro jobber das gleiche machen? kann man doch gleich das original Katasteramt material freigeben. +++ Stimmt, und dazu gibt es nichts mehr anzumerken! MfG Angie -- --BEGIN H*KEY BLOCK- v4sw5CPUhw5pr5FPck2ma8u7Lw3XGm1l7ELi3JNTe7t4TNDVb5Oen5g3/2ZMa5XsSr1p md575107a5d52c10f952288d17f2df7af632 ---END H*KEY BLOCK-- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Recycling
Bodo Meissner wrote: (Ein Altkleidercontainer hat mit ziemlicher Sicherheit keinen Namen.) Nö, höchstens einen Operator, der dem Kunden aber meist relativ egal ist. Viele Grüße von Dani ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Recycling
Am Sonntag, den 13.06.2010, 16:58 +0200 schrieb Bodo Meissner: Wenn es tatsächlich der Name ist, gar nichts. Zur Unterscheidung zwischen Wertstoffhof und Container ist aber eher ein Subtag erforderlich. (Ein Altkleidercontainer hat mit ziemlicher Sicherheit keinen Namen.) vielleicht etwas in dieser Art: recycling_type=container recycling_type=recycling_center +1 Anhand des name-Tags zu unterscheiden fände ich sehr gewagt. Zumal es durchaus mal jemandem einfallen könnte auch einem Container einen Namen zu geben. Andre ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] www.openstreetmap.org down
Morgen zusammen, auf http://www.openstreetmap.org/ gibt es einen Fehler, auch keine Verbindung mit JOSM möglich: Application error The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) Feel free to contact the OpenStreetMap community if your problem persists. Make a note of the exact URL / post data of your request. This may be a problem in our Ruby On Rails code. 500 occurs with exceptions thrown outside of an action (like in Dispatcher setups or broken Ruby code) MfG, Chris.. -- Mein kleiner, persönlicher OSM-Duden: +1 - bin Deiner Meinung -1 - sehe ich nicht so AIO - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] 1-Euro-Jobber als Mapper einsetzen
also, die katasteramt/vermessungsamt darf nicht alles freigeben (manche Daten sind über stadt- eigenen Firmen, und die wollen ihr wettbewerbsvorteil haben), und ausserdem besitzen sie nicht alle rechte oder auch alle Daten. also das Argument ist viel zu einfach. Warum soll ich denken, wenn der Stadt das fuer mich macht? Also es gibt vieles zb Restaurants, Kioske, was gar nicht vom der Stadt aufgezeichnet wird. mike 2010/6/14 Angie openstreet...@angiesoft.de: davon mal ab, bezahlt der steuerzahler nicht schon leute bei Katasteramt um zu mappen? warum sollen wird dann nochmal dafür zahlen damit ein euro jobber das gleiche machen? kann man doch gleich das original Katasteramt material freigeben. +++ Stimmt, und dazu gibt es nichts mehr anzumerken! MfG Angie -- --BEGIN H*KEY BLOCK- v4sw5CPUhw5pr5FPck2ma8u7Lw3XGm1l7ELi3JNTe7t4TNDVb5Oen5g3/2ZMa5XsSr1p md575107a5d52c10f952288d17f2df7af632 ---END H*KEY BLOCK-- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] www.openstreetmap.org down
Hi Christian, Startseite Wiki: Platform Status Web site down - Database problems Tschuess Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Waypoints in JOSM
Am Samstag 05 Juni 2010 15:15:07 schrieb Florian Gross:
Schönes Script.
Wenn ich mir ein paar Anmerkungen erlauben darf:
Habe das Script nun angepasst. Bisher läuft es ganz gut.
Die Ausführung wenn JOSM aktuell ist dauert knapp 2,2 Sekunden.
Das Meiste verschlingt JOSM selbst beim Herausfinden der genutzten Version.
{
#!/bin/bash
newversion=http://josm.openstreetmap.de/version;
#entweder oder:
#stock=josm-tested
stock=josm-latest
josmdownload=http://josm.openstreetmap.de/$stock.jar;
tmpfile=/tmp/newestjosm
rm -f $tmpfile
actual=`josm --help |grep Last Changed Rev: |cut -d -f4`
wget $newversion -qO $tmpfile || exit 1
newest=`cat $tmpfile | grep $stock | cut -d -f2`
if [ $actual != $newest ]; then
echo Es gibt eine neue Version. Alt=$actual, Neu=$newest. Es wird
upgedatet.
josmtmp=/usr/share/josm/josm-tmp-$stock-$newest.jar
sudo wget -c $josmdownload -O $josmtmp || exit 2
sudo mv /usr/share/josm/$stock.jar
/usr/share/josm/josm-$actual.jar
sudo mv $josmtmp /usr/share/josm/$stock.jar
else
echo JOSM ist auf dem aktuellstem Stand. Installiert=$actual,
verfügbar=$newest.
fi;
rm $tmpfile || exit 3
exit 0
}
MfG, Chris.
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+1 - bin Deiner Meinung
-1 - sehe ich nicht so
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[Talk-it] Pagina regionale Emilia Romagna
Avrei intenzione di cominciare a consolidare un poco la mappatura delle strade dell' Emilia Romagna aggiungendo le relations mancanti ai percorsi delle strade e tenendo aggiornato sul wiki un elenco con lo stato della mappatura etc, considerando anche l' ottimo strumento delle ortofoto PCN (tra una bannata e l' altra...) che può contribuire ad aumentare di molto il livello di precisione. Punto di partenza la pagina wiki dei progetti regionali (1) dove c'è già un piccolo elenco di strade ed autostrade. L' intenzione sarebbe di aggiungere anche le strade provinciali e di revisionare un po' alla volta il tracciato stradale. Esiste già da qualche parte una cosa del genere che non ho trovato? C'è qualche mappatore emilianoromagnolo che vorrebbe collaborare? Ciao Alberto (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Emilia_Romagna ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Pagina regionale Emilia Romagna
Io non ho moltissimo tempo libero, ma sicuramente posso provare a dare una mano per la Romagna. On 6/14/10, albertobonati albertobon...@libero.it wrote: Avrei intenzione di cominciare a consolidare un poco la mappatura delle strade dell' Emilia Romagna aggiungendo le relations mancanti ai percorsi delle strade e tenendo aggiornato sul wiki un elenco con lo stato della mappatura etc, considerando anche l' ottimo strumento delle ortofoto PCN (tra una bannata e l' altra...) che può contribuire ad aumentare di molto il livello di precisione. Punto di partenza la pagina wiki dei progetti regionali (1) dove c'è già un piccolo elenco di strade ed autostrade. L' intenzione sarebbe di aggiungere anche le strade provinciali e di revisionare un po' alla volta il tracciato stradale. Esiste già da qualche parte una cosa del genere che non ho trovato? C'è qualche mappatore emilianoromagnolo che vorrebbe collaborare? Ciao Alberto (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Emilia_Romagna ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Lettera aperta al PCN
+1 brunetto Il 12 giugno 2010 15.35, Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, siccome la situazione sta diventando insostenibile mi sono permesso di buttare giù sul wiki [1] una paginetta con un po' di pensieri riguardo il PCN. L'idea sarebbe di definire come comunità le nostre richieste e i nostri mugugni sperando di venire ascoltati http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lettera_PCN lo stile vorrebbe essere fermo ma non acceso. Commenti e insulti sono ben accetti. In caso se l'idea non vi piace sentitevi pure liberi di cancellare la pagina. Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
@igor C'è una guida a riguardo sul wiki: se non ti è chiaro qualcosa (o non ti funziona) chiedi pure, magari si può migliorare il testo pubblicato. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Italy/PCN#Inserire_il_WMS_PCN_in_JOSM magari non lo trovi perchè non hai installato il plugin wmsplugin Benvenuto! anche da parte mia Ciao Matteo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Lettera aperta al PCN
Mi sembra perfetta. alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
Consiglio un altro modo per aggirare il ban del PCN, vi segnalo Hotspot Shield http://www.hotspotshield.com/ che crea una VPN tra il PC ed il gateway della connessione ADSL. Il programma non richiede registrazione, basta scaricarlo ed eseguirlo per usufruire della VPN con una buona velocità di navigazione -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Problemi-con-immagini-PCN-tp5142270p5176743.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Lettera aperta al PCN
+1 Roberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Lettera aperta al PCN
2010/6/12 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com Ciao a tutti, siccome la situazione sta diventando insostenibile mi sono permesso di buttare giù sul wiki [1] una paginetta con un po' di pensieri riguardo il PCN. L'idea sarebbe di definire come comunità le nostre richieste e i nostri mugugni sperando di venire ascoltati http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lettera_PCN lo stile vorrebbe essere fermo ma non acceso. Commenti e insulti sono ben accetti. In caso se l'idea non vi piace sentitevi pure liberi di cancellare la pagina. Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it +1 -- - Pedretti Stefano stefano.pedre...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5B00129E http://paroledisilicio.wordpress.com Skype : ste.pedro83 mobile: +393292348186 - ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
Se il problema è l'agent http, dovrebbe bastare un proxy locale (squid ad esempio) e far puntare josm a quel proxy. Appena ho un attivo faccio una prova. 2010/6/14 Madeco davide@gmail.com Consiglio un altro modo per aggirare il ban del PCN, vi segnalo Hotspot Shield http://www.hotspotshield.com/ che crea una VPN tra il PC ed il gateway della connessione ADSL. Il programma non richiede registrazione, basta scaricarlo ed eseguirlo per usufruire della VPN con una buona velocità di navigazione -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Problemi-con-immagini-PCN-tp5142270p5176743.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- - Pedretti Stefano stefano.pedre...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5B00129E http://paroledisilicio.wordpress.com Skype : ste.pedro83 mobile: +393292348186 - ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
2010/6/14 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com: Se il problema è l'agent http, dovrebbe bastare un proxy locale (squid ad esempio) e far puntare josm a quel proxy. Appena ho un attivo faccio una prova. Secondo me si riesce a modificare cambiando l'user agent con cui il plugin WMS di josm si presenta. Mi verrebbe da pensare che basta modificare il file preferences di josm aggiungendo questa voce in fondo wmsplugin.user_agent=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;.NET CLR 1.1.4322) ma guardando il codice di wmsplugin http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/wmsplugin/src/wmsplugin/WMSGrabber.java penso sia meglio cambiare questa riga conn.setRequestProperty(User-Agent, Main.pref.get(wmsplugin.user_agent, Version.getInstance().getAgentString())); senza che si vada a settare l'user agent usando la classe Version di josm http://josm.openstreetmap.de/browser/trunk/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/data/Version.java con un qualcosa tipo conn.setRequestProperty(User-Agent, Main.pref.get(wmsplugin.user_agent)); Tutto questo sul lato teorico perche', visto che il mio ip e' bannato, non ho passione di mettermi a fare dei test PS: qualcuno ha provato ad usare tor con josm? http://www.torproject.org/index.html.it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
Il giorno 13 giugno 2010 12.14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comha scritto: -1, landuse=farm è obsoleto, invece si consiglia di usare landuse=farmland oppure landuse=farmyard Ciao M∡rtin, dal wiki sembra il contrario[0], farmland è Abandoned[1]. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Farm [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/farmland -- Gian-Paolo Pallari +39 333 6408388 gtalk: gianpaolo.pall...@gmail.com msn: gianpaolo.pall...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Pagina regionale Emilia Romagna
Il 14/06/2010 8.20, albertobonati ha scritto: Avrei intenzione di cominciare a consolidare un poco la mappatura delle strade dell' Emilia Romagna aggiungendo le relations mancanti ai percorsi delle strade e tenendo aggiornato sul wiki un elenco con lo stato della mappatura etc, considerando anche l' ottimo strumento delle ortofoto PCN (tra una bannata e l' altra...) che può contribuire ad aumentare di molto il livello di precisione. Primo problema : dove trovare la descrizione ufficiale di queste strade (regionali, provinciali, statali..) Ho fatto una piccola ricerca in rete ed ho messo quello che ho trovato sul wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Emilia_Romagna#Risorse Ci sono risorse di livello molto differente ( dal nulla all' ottimo) a seconda delle provincie considerate. Ma mi sorge subito una domanda : è lecito ricavare l' informazione che cerco ( quale percorso fa la SPXY) dai dati e dalla cartografia delle province (quando c'è)? Inoltre il PCN, via WFS, mette a disposizione un database nazionale con questo tipo di dati, dove dovrebbero esserci i percorsi e le denominazioni delle strade statali, regionali e provinciali. Si può usare questa informazione per denominare una strada e definirne il percorso? Ciao alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
2010/6/14 Matteo Gottardi matg...@tin.it In data domenica 13 giugno 2010 02:51:36, Erik Artaz ha scritto: Ho fatto qualche prova ulteriore e credo che il problema sia generato proprio da JOSM. Ecco quello che ho fatto in sequenza: [] A questo punto credo che il PCN non abbia deciso di bannare JOSM in base allo user agent, ma si tratti di politiche tecniche di banning. Anche io sono convinto che il banning avviene quando il server riceve da un singolo IP un numero sopra soglia di richieste http per un arco di tempo. Tempo fa avevo installato un sistema di protezione con un server (OSSEC) che dava molti falsi positivi quando un client scaricava da un WMS delle tiles . A questo punto la soluzione ideale sarebbe di contattare i responsabili della sicurezza del PCN e provare ad alzare la soglia del sistema di sicurezza. Ciao, Diego ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
2010/6/14 Gian-Paolo gianpaolo.pall...@gmail.com: Il giorno 13 giugno 2010 12.14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: -1, landuse=farm è obsoleto, invece si consiglia di usare landuse=farmland oppure landuse=farmyard Ciao M∡rtin, dal wiki sembra il contrario[0], farmland è Abandoned[1]. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Farm questa pagina ha 12 giorni di eta, penso che sia sbagliata [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/farmland lo stesso utente ha messo anche la pagina [1] nello stato abandoned, avrebbe potuto metterlo anche in active. se vedi qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland Tagwatch: farm128014 farmland41135 farmyard47310 direi che 41135 occorenze non si meritano lo stato abandoned ;-) ciao, Martin lo segno in lista inglese. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: se vedi qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland Tagwatch: farm 128014 farmland 41135 farmyard 47310 direi che 41135 occorenze non si meritano lo stato abandoned ;-) Seguendo il tuo ragionamento, se lo meritano quindi 128.014 occorrenze? cioè 3 volte tanto? Ciao, Andrea. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
2010/6/14 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: se vedi qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland Tagwatch: farm 128014 farmland 41135 farmyard 47310 direi che 41135 occorenze non si meritano lo stato abandoned ;-) Seguendo il tuo ragionamento, se lo meritano quindi 128.014 occorrenze? cioè 3 volte tanto? guarda, farm è anche attivo, solo perché è stato ampiamente usato per 2 cose diverse non è più chiaro cosa significa. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
2010/6/14 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2010/6/14 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: se vedi qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland Tagwatch: farm 128014 farmland 41135 farmyard 47310 direi che 41135 occorenze non si meritano lo stato abandoned ;-) Seguendo il tuo ragionamento, se lo meritano quindi 128.014 occorrenze? cioè 3 volte tanto? guarda, farm è anche attivo, solo perché è stato ampiamente usato per 2 cose diverse non è più chiaro cosa significa. Appunto. Leggendo il wiki, sembra che abbiamo deciso di tenere farm e di mandare in pensione farmland. Ciao, Andrea. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Farmland vs Meadow
2010/6/14 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com: Appunto. Leggendo il wiki, sembra che abbiamo deciso di tenere farm e di mandare in pensione farmland. dove lo leggi e chi l'ha deciso? Io leggo che quello è disputo: (dalla pagina farm): Controversies This tag had been misunderstood by some users (notably by many German people) and used for tagging also farmyards. As a consequence the tag farmland was adopted to denote tillage and pasture. At the moment both farm and farmland are used, the former probable still for some farmyards, the latter is the preset value in JOSM. See Proposed_features/farmland. Questo dice che si usa entrambi, e visto che landuse=farm non è chiaro cosa significa uso e consiglio farmland e farmyard. Alla fine la decisione rimane da te (i sviluppatori di JOSM appoggiano l'idea che farm è obsoleto). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:05:00 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/14 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: 2010/6/14 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com: Se il problema è l'agent http, dovrebbe bastare un proxy locale (squid ad ... Tutto questo sul lato teorico perche', visto che il mio ip e' bannato, non ho passione di mettermi a fare dei test ... qualcuno ha provato ad usare tor con josm? http://www.torproject.org/index.html.it Madeco; ...Hotspot Shield http://www.hotspotshield.com/ che crea una VPN tra il PC ed il... si, non è difficile di aggirare intorno questo ban (anche una pippa riesce a staccare il cavo dal router per qualche minuto), ma è triste. Perché ci danno il permesso di usare il servizio e quando lo usiamo ci creano problemi? Non ha proprio senso ed io cercherei di risolvere col personale del PCN e non con delle misure tecniche. Io a dire il vero la vedo in maniera diversa, come è stato fatto notare altri software non vengono trattati nella stessa maniera pur scaricando una mole di dati paragonabile a quella usata mediamente in JOSM. Evidentemente JOSM fa un tipo di accesso che lo fa rientrare nella tipologia di chi fa accessi aggressivi, pur non essendolo, per cui mi sembra difficile che al PCN abbassino il loro livello di sicurezza, comunque se qualcuno ha contatti con il CED del PCN può sempre tentare, però secondo me la strada da percorrere dovrebbe essere quella delle modifiche al plugin. ciao, Martin Ciao, Carlo. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] PCN in jpeg
Ciao a tutti, ho notato che il server del WMS accetta le richieste con il formato JPEG. In questo modo si usa molta meno banda, e la mappatura è molto più veloce! Non posso dire esattamente quanto sia il vantaggio di banda perchè sono stato bannato (mi è bastato fare wget di UN tile per vedere la dimensione, lasciamo stare...); ad ogni modo il rapporto di dimensione tra png e jpeg dovrebbe essere almeno 5 a 1. Per usare le tile in jpeg basta sostituire nell'url del WMS FORMAT=image/png in FORMAT=image/jpeg (attenzione non jpg). Se non emergono problemi particolari poi aggiorno la wiki. Ciao, Stefano Cavallari -- http://urli.st/ - Create and share your list of links. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
si, non è difficile di aggirare intorno questo ban (anche una pippa riesce a staccare il cavo dal router per qualche minuto), ma è triste. Perché ci danno il permesso di usare il servizio e quando lo usiamo ci creano problemi? Non ha proprio senso ed io cercherei di risolvere col personale del PCN e non con delle misure tecniche. ciao, Martin Se ben ricordo, il PCN qualche tempo fa aveva avuto problemi di massicci scaricamenti della cartografia effettuati tramite scripts. Credo che più che le ortofoto interessassero le carte IGM che infatti si trovano sil P2P disponibili per praticamente tutta Italia C'era al riguardo qualcosa su MTB forum... Il PCN non aveva gradito la cosa e avrà pensato di nettersi al riparo da script automatici. Non sono in grado di giudicare dal lato tecnico, ma poichè ci sono altri programmi che visualizzano le ortofoto PCN ( Ambiente Italia 3D scaricabile dal PCN per esempio) e non vengono bannati, direi che magari si potrebbero approfondire, come già detto in lista, le modalità con cui JOSM scarica i dati e magari correggerle. ciao Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
Il 14 giugno 2010 17.16, Carlo cybo...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:05:00 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/14 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: 2010/6/14 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com: Se il problema è l'agent http, dovrebbe bastare un proxy locale (squid ad ... Tutto questo sul lato teorico perche', visto che il mio ip e' bannato, non ho passione di mettermi a fare dei test ... qualcuno ha provato ad usare tor con josm? http://www.torproject.org/index.html.it Madeco; ...Hotspot Shield http://www.hotspotshield.com/ che crea una VPN tra il PC ed il... si, non è difficile di aggirare intorno questo ban (anche una pippa riesce a staccare il cavo dal router per qualche minuto), ma è triste. Perché ci danno il permesso di usare il servizio e quando lo usiamo ci creano problemi? Non ha proprio senso ed io cercherei di risolvere col personale del PCN e non con delle misure tecniche. Io a dire il vero la vedo in maniera diversa, come è stato fatto notare altri software non vengono trattati nella stessa maniera pur scaricando una mole di dati paragonabile a quella usata mediamente in JOSM. Evidentemente JOSM fa un tipo di accesso che lo fa rientrare nella tipologia di chi fa accessi aggressivi, pur non essendolo, per cui mi sembra difficile che al PCN abbassino il loro livello di sicurezza, comunque se qualcuno ha contatti con il CED del PCN può sempre tentare, però secondo me la strada da percorrere dovrebbe essere quella delle modifiche al plugin. +1. ciao, Martin Ciao, Carlo. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN
2010/6/14 albertobonati albertobon...@libero.it: si potrebbero approfondire, come già detto in lista, le modalità con cui JOSM scarica i dati e magari correggerle. Si può anche pensare di correggere il plugin di JOSM, ma il fatto è che fino alla settimana scorsa funzionava bene e ora non più. Non sarà che sono stati fatti interventi sul PCN? Sono dispiaciuto: proprio ora che abbiamo l'autorizzazione all'uso, ce lo impediscono tecnicamente? Il messaggio che ne esce è sconsolante Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] PCN in jpeg
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:18:35 +0200 Stefano Cavallari stef...@cavallari.cjb.net wrote: Ciao a tutti, ho notato che il server del WMS accetta le richieste con il formato JPEG. In questo modo si usa molta meno banda, e la mappatura è molto più veloce! Non posso dire esattamente quanto sia il vantaggio di banda perchè sono stato bannato (mi è bastato fare wget di UN tile per vedere la dimensione, lasciamo stare...); ad ogni modo il rapporto di dimensione tra png e jpeg dovrebbe essere almeno 5 a 1. Per usare le tile in jpeg basta sostituire nell'url del WMS FORMAT=image/png in FORMAT=image/jpeg (attenzione non jpg). Se non emergono problemi particolari poi aggiorno la wiki. Ho appena fatto una prova rapida, circa 15 min su un'area abbastanza vasta dove Venerdì ero stato bannato poco dopo, ho anche navigato un pò per scaricare un pò di tile, ho pure eliminato il layer WMS e ricaricato e per adesso scarico ancora, oltretutto in jpg i tile vengono giù in maniera sensibilmente più veloce. Complimenti per la dritta. Ciao, Stefano Cavallari ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] PCN in jpeg
Per usare le tile in jpeg basta sostituire nell'url del WMS FORMAT=image/png in FORMAT=image/jpeg (attenzione non jpg). ho provato a esplorare un po' anch'io e non ho avuto nessuno problema, questa idea sembra proprio essere l'uovo di Colombo. Grazie, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] PCN in jpeg
Ciao Stefano, in data lunedì 14 giugno 2010, alle ore 18:51, hai scritto: Per usare le tile in jpeg basta sostituire nell'url del WMS FORMAT=image/png in FORMAT=image/jpeg (attenzione non jpg). ho provato a esplorare un po' anch'io e non ho avuto nessuno problema, questa idea sembra proprio essere l'uovo di Colombo. Questa sera ho effettuato una sessione un pò più intensa, ma neanche tanto, dopo mezz'ora e poco più di 300 MB di tile in cache (Ma in PNG che da prove di conversione risulta, come gia detto 5 volte pià grande quindi dovrei aver scaricato circa 60 MB) sono stato bannato. La strade non è male, però forse si dovrebbe migliorare qualcosa anche sul fronte delle connessioni aperte ma mi sa tanto che senza mettere mano al plugins questo non sia fattibile. Grazie, Stefano -- Ciao, Carlo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Lettera aperta al PCN
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 03:35:34PM +0200, Stefano Salvador wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lettera_PCN Ho fatto alcune aggiunte/modifiche alla pagina. In particolare ho aggiunto la richiesta per: * policy di accesso * finalità del WMS (gli utenti OSM sono di serie B?) Non ho molta esperienza a scrivere a più mani, quindi sentitevi liberi di modificare. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-lt] OSM vadovas
And now, for something completely different... Kaip jau minėjau, buvo mintis padaryti OSM vadovą, pritaikytą Lietuvai (kažką panašaus į http://www.openstreetmap.info/). Tobuliausia būtų jį rašyti/tobulinti bendrai. Pagrindinis OSM wikis, kaip suprantu, vargšiukas vos gyvas, tai ten gal nelabai gerai būtų tokį dalyką krauti. Taigi ta proga, gal kas turite wikį ir galite/norite juo pasidalinti? Jei wikis būtų „savas“ (su priėjimu prie db ir wikio piešinukų), tai vėliau būtų galima iš jo ir odt/pdf padaryti (alia gražiam atsispausdinimui). -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] OSM vadovas
Manau AKL'as galėtų pahostinti. Ką manai Albertai? On 2010.06.14 19:52, Tomas Straupis wrote: And now, for something completely different... Kaip jau minėjau, buvo mintis padaryti OSM vadovą, pritaikytą Lietuvai (kažką panašaus į http://www.openstreetmap.info/). Tobuliausia būtų jį rašyti/tobulinti bendrai. Pagrindinis OSM wikis, kaip suprantu, vargšiukas vos gyvas, tai ten gal nelabai gerai būtų tokį dalyką krauti. Taigi ta proga, gal kas turite wikį ir galite/norite juo pasidalinti? Jei wikis būtų „savas“ (su priėjimu prie db ir wikio piešinukų), tai vėliau būtų galima iš jo ir odt/pdf padaryti (alia gražiam atsispausdinimui). -- Mantas aka sirex __o /\ _ \,_ -- GetOpenId.com/sirex -- /\/ \ ___(_)/_(_)_/_/\ ^ ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
[Talk-se] FSCons 2010
Någon som känner för tänker prata om OSM på FSCons 2010? Det vore trevligt om vi kunde synas lite... / Balp -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-ee] Magnetiga embleemid autole
Renault uks on ikka plekist. Tõsi, ukse peale kõrgem asi kui A4 kitsamat pidi (20cm) ei mahu, mingit liistud/asjad tulevad ette. Laiupidi võib 2xA4 vabalt olla. Esikapotile mahuks ka A2 ära, A3 kindlasti. Joosep, äkki teed plaani ära ja küsid hinnapakkumise täpse: 2le autole komplektid: kokku siis 4x 20x20cm logod ustele, 2xA3 (või laiem pisut) esikapotile. Su kujundus oli juba päris hea aluseks. Tegin ühtlasi ka turundustegevuste plaani mustandi: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AjOEA8m-Z8VTdHpscV9wSnFvQUkwZk1XMkk0SVNQbVEhl=en Eelarvet nagu oleks, pigem häid ideid vaja mis tegevusi veel tellida või teha et Eestis OSM teadlikkus maksimaalselt tõuseks. Bannereid ja TV-reklaami ka nagu osta pole vist mõtet. Üks hull idee tekkis Paides mingi linna tänavatele tänavanimed joonistada, nii et aerofotolt oleks näha. Põhjendaks, et see on maapealne ettevalmistus mugavamaks OpenStreetMap-i kaardi joonistamiseks aerofotolt. Google kaardilt ja Maaameti aerofotolt oleks ka paremini näha. Uuriks, kus Maaamet on lende tegemas järgmisena, et oleks värske pildi peale. Tegelik põhjus oleks saada pressikära suvisel ajal, miks mitte isegi rahvusvahelielt, sest ka Google Earthis tekiks tänavanimed nähtavale ja ma pole kuulnud et keegi oleks nii teinud varem. Pärnu oleks ideaalne sihtlinn, aga sealne LV pole kuigi avatud meile olnud, nagu Margusest olen aru saanud. Võib ka mõni muu suvekuurort olla (Kärdla, Kuressaare, Haapsalu, Elva). Jaak 2010/5/31 Margus Värton mar...@dakar.ee: On 31.05.2010 11:10, Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) wrote: Ma silma järgi hakkasin mõtlema kas pikkupidi 2*A4 mahub ukse peale ära üldse. Võibolla A3 oleks paslik, see mahub külje ukse peale küll ära. Eks peaks enda auto peal üle kontrollima lihtsalt mõõtma. Hea pind on tegelikult veel esikapott (oleneb autost jällegi pisut). Neid suuremaid logosid võikski autol olla 1 - kapotil. Ja kummalgi esiuksel väike OSM logo, ca 20 cm diameetriga. Diskreetne ja ilus. Jaak - kas Renault uks on ikka plekist? :) Esitiib vähemasti Espacel ei ole. - M - ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
[Talk-ee] kaardikonkurss
Hoi, sain Raivo Aunapilt TÜ-s nõusoleku žüriis osaleda. Kuulutame siis konkursi kohe välja. Levitage seda infot oma listides, facebookides, twitterites jne. Kodulehele läheb ka kohe, kui sinna ligi jälle saan. MTÜ Avatud Maakaardi Selts (AMS) kuulutab välja konkursi parimale OpenStreetMap-põhisele kaardikujundusele. Kaardikujundus peab vastama järgnevatele nõuetele: Kasutama OpenStreetMap.org kaardiandmeid. Toimima nii loetava kui esteetiliselt nauditava kaardipildina Eesti ala kohta Toimima kõikides võimalikes mõõtkavades, ehk suurendusvahemikus 0 (maailm) kuni 18 (kõige detailsem), suurenduse vahetus peab olema loogiline. Kõiki andmebaasist saadavaid kaardiandmeid ei pea kujutama kogu aeg, väiksematel suurendustel ei saa/tohigi seda teha Kujundus peab olema realiseeritav või realiseeritud Mapnik kujundusfaili stiilidena (CSS Cascadenik või XML abil). Tehnoloogiast tulenevate piirangute näiteid: Kõik tekstid paigutatakse automaatselt Kõik objektid ja tingmärgid kaardil on nende tegelikus asukohas, ei saa kasutada generaliseerimist ega kartograafilist nihutust Kujunduse koostaja peab andma täiendavat tehnilist infot kujunduse realiseerimise kohta, ja koostöös AMS-iga sellega edasi töötama (st seda vastavalt nõuetele täiendama). Vahendid: OpenStreetMap kaardiandmed Kujunduse vähemal määral visuaalseks muutmiseks võib proovida CloudMade Style Editor töövahendit aadressil maps.cloudmade.com. AMS pakub kaardiandmetega vahendi (veebiteenuse) Mapnik CSS või XML formaadis realiseeritud kujunduste testimiseks. Vajalik on CSS või XML kasutamise oskus. Samuti loome kirjaliku juhendi selle kasutamiseks. AMS spetsiaalse avaliku infolisti vahendusel pakume vastuseid kõikvõimalikele tehnilistele ja korralduslikele küsimustele 2 tööpäeva jooksul küsimuse edastamisest. Soovitatav on kõikidel huvilistel selle listiga liituda. Võistluse kategooriad: Universiaalkaart: maksimaalse infoga laialdaselt kasutatav kaart Teemakaart: spetsiifilise teemaga (võib olla ka ilma teemata ehk minimaalinfo) või erilise stiiliga kaart Vormistus: Tungivalt soovitatav on realiseerida tulemus toimivas Mapnik CSS või XML formaadis. Sel puhul pole täiendav dokumentatsioon vajalik. Tehnilistele üldtingimustele vastamise korral aksepteeritakse ka ekraanipiltidena vormistatud kujundust (vähemalt 18 pilti - üks iga suurenduse kohta). Pildi eraldustihedus: arvutiekraani jaoks, 72dpi, 256-värvi PNG. Sel juhul on vajalik graafika täpne tehniline spetsifikatsioon: kasutatud stiilide värvide RGB, joonelaiused, fondid, tingimärkide pildid eraldi väikeste 256-värvi PNGdena jne. Tähtaeg: Tehnilised töövahendid, juhendid ja infolist on kättesaadavad hiljemalt 15.09.2010 Osalejaks registreerimine: 07.09.2010 Tööde esitamise tärmin: 15.10.2010 Auhinnad: Auhinnafond on 10 000 krooni (brutosumma), see makstakse rahas. MTÜ Avatud Maakaardi Selts juhatuse poolt moodustatud kolmeliikmeline žürii otsustab esitatud tööde põhjal, kuidas see täpsemalt jaguneb osalejate vahel: plaanis on välja anda üks kuni kolm auhinda mõlemas kategoorias. Žürii teeb otsuse teatavaks hiljemalt 30.10.2010, otsused on lõplikud ja ei kuulu edasikaebamisele. Tulemuse litsentitingimused: Töö esitamisega annab osaleja kujunduse kasutamiseks mitte-eksklusiivse mitte-edasiantava litsentsi Creative Commons (CC-by-SA) tingimustel MTÜ Avatud Maakaardi Selts kasutusse. Tulemust kasutatakse ja avaldatakse AMS kodulehel ja saab vabalt kasutatavaks teenustes, mis seda kujundust kasutavad. Žürii: Andres Kaaber, Päästeamet ja AMS Jaak Laineste, Nutiteq ja AMS Raivo Aunap, Tartu Ülikooli Geograafia Instituut ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
[OSM-Talk-ZA] N4 ring road: Nelspruit
Last night I went to bed in Nelspruit, near the N4. This morning I woke up in Mbombela[1], near the R104. You saw it on OSM[2] first. -- Glen Wilson (Tinshack) [1] Some road signs have changed, but I've left the city name as Nelspruit for now: it's only supposed to change after the world cup. [2] Has anybody mentioned that OSM is cool? ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[Talk-ca] Toronto Mappy Hour Tuesday
Dear All, Did you know that there is a Toronto OSM meetup group? We meet roughly monthly, including tomorrow Tuesday 15 June 2010 The Pilot Pub 22 Cumberland Street (near Yonge and Bloor) We'll start at 6:30pm and go for at least an hour, but usually interesting conversation keeps us longer then that. There is no agenda. We'll discuss what interests us about OSM and surrounding issues as a group and in smaller conversational groups. We're friendly too. This is an ideal place for getting your questions answered if you always wanted to know how to do something in / with OSM. If you join the meetup group at the link below you'll get an announcement each time we schedule a meetup. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Toronto Mappy Hour Tuesday
. and for those who can't make it there physically, the #osm-ca (Dedicated Canada Chat room on oftc.net) is always on available to answer questions :-) For Ontario specifically, we need volunteers who wants to work on the Ontario Parks Trails (from Land Information Ontario). It's on my list todo, but if others get it done before i do, i wont complain :) Cheers, Sam On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear All, Did you know that there is a Toronto OSM meetup group? We meet roughly monthly, including tomorrow Tuesday 15 June 2010 The Pilot Pub 22 Cumberland Street (near Yonge and Bloor) We'll start at 6:30pm and go for at least an hour, but usually interesting conversation keeps us longer then that. There is no agenda. We'll discuss what interests us about OSM and surrounding issues as a group and in smaller conversational groups. We're friendly too. This is an ideal place for getting your questions answered if you always wanted to know how to do something in / with OSM. If you join the meetup group at the link below you'll get an announcement each time we schedule a meetup. http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] GPS Suggestions
I was talking to an old friend this afternoon, and it looks like I might have another Open Street Map ... victim :-) . So, next question being what GPS should he get. My person preferred solution (the GPS receiver that came Microsoft Streets and Trips) fails on the portability area. Here are the parameters: - Cost is a consideration, he would like to get into mapping but not spend a lot. - He lives away from major population centres and would like to buy local, so a model that is available from major Canadian retailers (Walmart, Canadian Tire, etc.). - Display doesn't really matter, a B/W display would certainly be okay, and a pure data logger might be okay. - Battery powered is important as while this would normally be used in his car, he want the option of following hiking trails. - Ease of transferring *.gpx files to his (Linux) based PC and then on OSM is important. Suggestions? Thanks. Colin. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] GPS Suggestions
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Colin McGregor colin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: I was talking to an old friend this afternoon, and it looks like I might have another Open Street Map ... victim :-) . So, next question being what GPS should he get. My person preferred solution (the GPS receiver that came Microsoft Streets and Trips) fails on the portability area. Here are the parameters: - Cost is a consideration, he would like to get into mapping but not spend a lot. - He lives away from major population centres and would like to buy local, so a model that is available from major Canadian retailers (Walmart, Canadian Tire, etc.). - Display doesn't really matter, a B/W display would certainly be okay, and a pure data logger might be okay. - Battery powered is important as while this would normally be used in his car, he want the option of following hiking trails. - Ease of transferring *.gpx files to his (Linux) based PC and then on OSM is important. RadioWorld seems to have a good selection. They are on Steeles Avenue West, near Jane Street. http://www.radioworld.ca/ There are a couple of mail-order GPS vendors in Calgary. I don't know why they are clustered there. ;-) http://www.gpscity.ca/ http://www.gpscentral.ca/ I have a logger-only that was pretty handy. Long recharge life, and small. The SD card eject mechanism broke, so the SD card is always trying to eject. I have to slam the cover to get it to close, and hold the SD card in place. Ah well. It was cheap-ish. I've used GPSMAP60 and Etrex Vista models and have no complaints. One loaner Vista was broken when returned but that might be because I dropped it getting out of the car. I'm not going to drop the others to confirm their fragility. All of these mount as USB mass storage, so use with Linux is no problem. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] GPS Suggestions
A lot of OSM-ers love the Garmin Etrex Legend HCx. It's got everything you want for a good price. Cheaper and you tend to start losing a lot for not that much money saving, more expensive and your jumping up to things like touch screen and latest/fashionable plastic case. The Legend is also so durable for the odd accidental drop. I generally agree with what is said in this review, and it breaks down Garmin's naming convention http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/gps-recommendations/ http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/gps-recommendations/You tend to save by buying online, somewhere like amazon, than buying in the shop (although that might not be so much in North America). On 14 June 2010 19:46, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:38 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I run a Garmin etrex legend HCx which gives 3 meter accuracy which I think is reasonable for a GPS unit. Mine came from MEC they have a web site at www.mec.ca and are reasonably priced. Hmm. Their site is down now. Must be all the OSMers going for GPSes. They have a store in Toronto on King Street, near Peter Street. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] OpenTrackMap - Aktualizace stavu projektu
Ahoj,
dneska jsem si všiml že vrstevnice v overlay a vrstevnice renderované
v OpenTrackMap HQ na sebe nesedí, jsou posunuté tak o deset metrů
severojižním směrem. Stejný posun je i proti cyclemap, takže špatně
bude asi ten overlay.
Parkis
2010/6/11 Radek Bartoň black...@post.cz:
Dne pátek 11 Červen 2010 19:12:14 Michal Grézl napsal(a):
podle ceho se zobrazuji cisla stezekv tech shieldech? vidim tam cisla
silnic a cyklostezek, na trasach, ktere nejsou v relacich.
Štíty se zobrazují z atributu ref všech linií a relací, které splňují
podmínku:
route in ('foot', 'hiking', 'horse', 'ski', 'bicycle') and network in ('e-
road', 'nwn', 'iwn')
To bicycle dám pryč, ale jinak mě opravte, pokud by ta podmínka měla být
jinak.
--
Ing. Radek Bartoň
Faculty of Information Technology
Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia
Brno University of Technology
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Re: [Talk-cz] OpenTrackMap - Aktualizace stavu projektu
Dne pondělí 14 Červen 2010 08:25:15 Jiri Parkan napsal(a): Ahoj, dneska jsem si všiml že vrstevnice v overlay a vrstevnice renderované v OpenTrackMap HQ na sebe nesedí, jsou posunuté tak o deset metrů severojižním směrem. Stejný posun je i proti cyclemap, takže špatně bude asi ten overlay. O tom vím, resp. věděl jsem. Je to tím, že vrstevnice v overlayi jsou generované pomocí GRASSu, zatímco ostatní jsou generované GDALem. Akorát si nejsem jistý, které jsou správně a kde je případně v GRASSovském přístupu chyba. -- Ing. Radek Bartoň Faculty of Information Technology Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia Brno University of Technology E-mail: black...@post.cz Web: http://blackhex.no-ip.org Jabber: black...@jabber.cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-cz] Jaké jsou dostatečné zdroje k zakr eslení nové turistické cesty
Ahoj, přes víkend jsem si s OSM dost hrál a napadlo mne plno dalších začátečnických otázek, které pro přehlednost rozdělím do několika témat. První se týká toho, jaké zdroje se považují za dostatečné, abych mohl do mapy přidat novou cestu. Nejprve pro jistotu zrekapituluji případy, které považuji za nesporné: 1) Cesta je vidět na fotomapě UHUL a navíc 1a) k ní mám jeden GPS tracklog, nebo 1b) ji osobně znám. 2) Cesta sice vidět na fotomapě UHUL není (je v lese), ale pamatuji si ji z vlastního výletu a v databázi jsou alespoň dva GPS tracklogy. 3) Na OSM je cesta už zakreslená, ale není vyznačená relace pro trasu KČT. Osobně vím, že tam trasa KČT vede. Uvažuji správně, že v těchto případech mohu cestu do mapy zakreslit a/nebo vyznačit relaci trasy KČT? Nyní případy, kterými si nejsem jistý: 4) Cesta není vidět na fotomapě UHUL a mám k ní jen jeden svůj tracklog, který může mít v lese chybu i 20-30 metrů. Mám takovou cestu zakreslit, nebo mám počkat, až bude tracklogů víc? 5) K cestě nemám vlastní tracklog, šel jsem po ní před delší dobou a už si ji moc nepamatuji, na fotomapě vidět není, v databázi ale je dost cizích tracklogů. Je v takovém případě nutná osobní obhlídka? 6) Na OSM je cesta už zakreslená, ale není vyznačená relace pro trasu KČT. Podle různých map, které mám k dispozici, tam trasa KČT vede, ale osobně jsem to neověřoval. Mohu i v těchto případech cestu do mapy zakreslit a/nebo vyznačit relaci trasy KČT, nebo by to bylo příliš nespolehlivé? S tím souvisí i otázka, zda musím vždy vyznačovat zdroje značkou source. Všiml jsem si, že se v OSM příliš často nepoužívají. Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-cz] Kdy používat highway=residential ?
Ahoj, Je vhodné používat highway=residential i v chatových osadách, kde jsou cesty s nezpevněným povrchem a hlavně nemají jméno? JOSM na mne pak křičí, že jméno chybí. Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-cz] highway=path vs. highway=bridleway
Ahoj, v mém okolí je na OSM hodně lesních cest vyznačeno jako highway=bridleway, ačkoli bych podle popisu ve Wiki spíše volil highway=path. Je na to nějaká zvláštní konvence, že když je lesní cesta průjezdná pro koně, má značka highway=bridleway přednost? Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Jaké jsou dostatečné zdroje k zakr eslení nové turistické cesty
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:00:14 +0200, Marek Prokop ma...@sovavsiti.cz wrote: Ahoj, přes víkend jsem si s OSM dost hrál a napadlo mne plno dalších začátečnických otázek, které pro přehlednost rozdělím do několika témat. První se týká toho, jaké zdroje se považují za dostatečné, abych mohl do mapy přidat novou cestu. Nejprve pro jistotu zrekapituluji případy, které považuji za nesporné: 1) Cesta je vidět na fotomapě UHUL a navíc 1a) k ní mám jeden GPS tracklog, nebo 1b) ji osobně znám. 2) Cesta sice vidět na fotomapě UHUL není (je v lese), ale pamatuji si ji z vlastního výletu a v databázi jsou alespoň dva GPS tracklogy. 3) Na OSM je cesta už zakreslená, ale není vyznačená relace pro trasu KČT. Osobně vím, že tam trasa KČT vede. Uvažuji správně, že v těchto případech mohu cestu do mapy zakreslit a/nebo vyznačit relaci trasy KČT? Nyní případy, kterými si nejsem jistý: 4) Cesta není vidět na fotomapě UHUL a mám k ní jen jeden svůj tracklog, který může mít v lese chybu i 20-30 metrů. Mám takovou cestu zakreslit, nebo mám počkat, až bude tracklogů víc? Myslím, že nemá cenu čekat. Důležitější než absolutní chyba je topologická správnost, na kterou stačí znalost terénu. 5) K cestě nemám vlastní tracklog, šel jsem po ní před delší dobou a už si ji moc nepamatuji, na fotomapě vidět není, v databázi ale je dost cizích tracklogů. Je v takovém případě nutná osobní obhlídka? Pokud víš, že tam ta cesta opravdu je, a ty tracklogy opravdu patří k té cestě tak se můžeš řídit předchozím bodem. Vždy ale záleží na konkrétní situaci. 6) Na OSM je cesta už zakreslená, ale není vyznačená relace pro trasu KČT. Podle různých map, které mám k dispozici, tam trasa KČT vede, ale osobně jsem to neověřoval. V takovém případě bych neobkresloval - údaje v těch mapách mohou pocházet ze stejného zdroje ve kterém může být chyba. Cizí mapy můžeš používat tak maximálně pro ověření, že nekreslíš nějakou velkou blbost, nebo třeba pro lepší orientaci ve fotomapě UHULu. Mohu i v těchto případech cestu do mapy zakreslit a/nebo vyznačit relaci trasy KČT, nebo by to bylo příliš nespolehlivé? S tím souvisí i otázka, zda musím vždy vyznačovat zdroje značkou source. Všiml jsem si, že se v OSM příliš často nepoužívají. Díky, Marek S tou cestou jde asi především o její charakter nebo její chápání ze strany státní správy. Tebou popisovaný případ bych označil jako highway=track, pokud by ale už měla jméno a/nebo vedla k normálním domům, tak bych jí už označil jako residential s příslušným tagem pro povrch. Ty bridleway se snaží zavádět Pavel Machek, ale nemyslím si, že by to byl úplně správný postup v případě že daná cesta není určena především pro koně. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz -- Petr Dlouhý ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Jaké jsou dostatečné zdroje k zakr eslení nové turistické cesty
Ahoj, Dne 14.6.2010 11:00, Marek Prokop napsal(a): Nyní případy, kterými si nejsem jistý: 4) Cesta není vidět na fotomapě UHUL a mám k ní jen jeden svůj tracklog, který může mít v lese chybu i 20-30 metrů. Mám takovou cestu zakreslit, nebo mám počkat, až bude tracklogů víc? Daji se pouzit jeste katastralni mapy - casto taky napovi, kudy ta cesta vede. Pokud kvalifikovanym odhadem dokazes urcit, ze je tam bota jen +-20m a ze GPSka uplne nekecala, tak to IMO zakreslit muzes a mas - ten kdo tam pujde s GPSkou totiz taky bude mit solidni rozptyl :) Pripadne to drive nebo pozdeji zpresnis ty nebo nekdo jiny... 5) K cestě nemám vlastní tracklog, šel jsem po ní před delší dobou a už si ji moc nepamatuji, na fotomapě vidět není, v databázi ale je dost cizích tracklogů. Je v takovém případě nutná osobní obhlídka? Neni, pokud si myslis, ze se jeji trasa za tu dobu nezmenila. Ja casto taky vychazim ze sve par let stare znalosti a kdyz usoudim, ze se tam nic nezmenilo, pak to zakreslim tak, jak si to pamatuju. 6) Na OSM je cesta už zakreslená, ale není vyznačená relace pro trasu KČT. Podle různých map, které mám k dispozici, tam trasa KČT vede, ale osobně jsem to neověřoval. Ne. Z cizich zdroju se nesmi opisovat, pokud to neni explicitne povoleno. Jina situace by byla, kdyby sis pamatoval, ze tam ta znacka vede a mapu pouzil jako berlicku. V nekterych mapach totiz mohou byt zamerne vytvorene chyby, podle kterych autor muze poznat, ze se jedna o kopii jeho dila. Mohu i v těchto případech cestu do mapy zakreslit a/nebo vyznačit relaci trasy KČT, nebo by to bylo příliš nespolehlivé? ani ne tak nespolehlive jako nelegalni S tím souvisí i otázka, zda musím vždy vyznačovat zdroje značkou source. Všiml jsem si, že se v OSM příliš často nepoužívají. vzdy ne. Zpravidla se to pouziva v pripadech importu z jinych zdroju. Bere se za to (nebo aspon ja ano), ze pokud tam nic neni uvedeno, tak to vzniklo klasickym spojenim survey, uhul, km atp. Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] highway=path vs. highway=bridleway
Asi neni. Ale pokud to projel nekdo na koni (jakoze tu mezi sebou mame naruzive konaky), tak se domniva, ze je dobre vedet, ze se to da projet na koni - ze je to sirsi a vyssi prostora nez u pesi cesty a ridic tak nestravi celou cestu chuzi vedle kone. K Dne 14.6.2010 11:06, Marek Prokop napsal(a): Ahoj, v mém okolí je na OSM hodně lesních cest vyznačeno jako highway=bridleway, ačkoli bych podle popisu ve Wiki spíše volil highway=path. Je na to nějaká zvláštní konvence, že když je lesní cesta průjezdná pro koně, má značka highway=bridleway přednost? Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Kdy používat highway=residential ?
Take to tak taguju, jakmile je tam neasfaltka, tak je to track a vzdy k tomu dam i tracktype, aby bylo jasne, jestli je to aspon zpevnena nebo sterkova cesta nebo jen vyjete koleje v poli (grade2-grade5), grade1 pak dávám na asfaltky v lese On 14.6.2010 11:28, Jakub Sykora wrote: No ja bych to tak neotagoval. Silnice bez zpevnenho povrchu jsou pro me cesty - tedy track. Navic je dobre, aby to tak bylo, protoze residential ve me automaticky evokuje asfaltku s auty zaparkovanymi ze vsech stran a domecky kolem s nizkou prujezdnou rychlosti. Track v tomto pripade evokuje parkovani v pangejtu nebo na trave a zablacene auto, coz lepe vystihuje situaci :) K Dne 14.6.2010 11:02, Marek Prokop napsal(a): Ahoj, Je vhodné používat highway=residential i v chatových osadách, kde jsou cesty s nezpevněným povrchem a hlavně nemají jméno? JOSM na mne pak křičí, že jméno chybí. Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] highway=path vs. highway=bridleway
Ahoj, to je pravděpodobně špatně, bridleway má být cesta, která je tak označena, podobně jako je označena cycle pro cyklisty. Pokud je to prostě pěšina v lese, tak je to path. U nás brideway v podstatě neexistuje, i když tak mnohdy vypadaj a jsou tak rozťápaný, že se po nich nedá ani projít ani projet na kole. On 14.6.2010 11:06, Marek Prokop wrote: Ahoj, v mém okolí je na OSM hodně lesních cest vyznačeno jako highway=bridleway, ačkoli bych podle popisu ve Wiki spíše volil highway=path. Je na to nějaká zvláštní konvence, že když je lesní cesta průjezdná pro koně, má značka highway=bridleway přednost? Díky, Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] highway=path vs. highway=bridleway
2010/6/14 Jakub Sykora kub...@kbx.cz: Asi neni. Ale pokud to projel nekdo na koni (jakoze tu mezi sebou mame naruzive konaky), tak se domniva, ze je dobre vedet, ze se to da projet na koni - ze je to sirsi a vyssi prostora nez u pesi cesty a ridic tak nestravi celou cestu chuzi vedle kone. *** konak je tu jeden, ale snazi se lobovat... Davat to jako bridleway je podle teto logiky problematicke, neb tam priste pojede nekdo na kole a dam tam cycleway. Lide na horskych kolech to pochopili a udelali si vlastni system znacek hodnoceni obtiznosti a svoje mapy. [1][2]Na naseho konaka to asi ceka take. bridleway ci cycleway je vyhrazena cesta pro vybrany druh dopravy, zbytek nemotorove dopravy je na ni tolerovan ci pripousten. Zaver: v lesich a polich se uplatnuje path a track (s dalsimi doplnujicimi tagy. ha hanoj [1] http://openmtbmap.org/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/mtb_map ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] OpenTrackMap - Aktualizace stavu projektu
Dne pondělí 14 Červen 2010 13:24:11 Petr Morávek [Xificurk] napsal(a): Mně blby vrstevnice generované gdalem - přesně tenhle posun (odpovídá to 0.5px v původních tiff souborech)... na nápravu by mělo stačit: psql -d postgis db name -c 'UPDATE contours SET way = ST_Translate(way, 0.0004166, -0.0004166, 0);' Petr Morávek Můžu tedy předpokládat, že ty vygenerované GRASSem jsou správně? Nemám to experimentálně potvrzeno, ale myslím, že se i rychleji vykreslují. -- Ing. Radek Bartoň Faculty of Information Technology Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia Brno University of Technology E-mail: black...@post.cz Web: http://blackhex.no-ip.org Jabber: black...@jabber.cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] tagování sídel
2010/6/13 Michal Grézl michal.gr...@openstreetmap.cz 2010/6/13 Jan Masopust masopust@gmail.com: 2010/6/6 hanoj eha...@gmail.com 1.5. Externí využívání Registr sčítacích obvodů a budov ze zákona č. 89/1995 Sb., o státní statistické službě, v platném znění, je dle novelizace zákona zveřejněné ve Sbírce zákonů 2004, částka 25 ze dne 25. února 2004 veřejným seznamem. Dle novelizace zákona č. 230/2006 Sb., jsou údaje o počtu bytů v jednotlivých budovách veřejné a údaje o jednotlivých bytech jsou neveřejné. O vývoji registru je informováno prostřednictvím veřejné internetové služby na stránce http://www.czso.cz/csu/rso.nsf/i/registr_scitacich_obvodu Já si to vykládám tak, že je možné ty data bez problémů importovat do OSM. Příp. se můžeme s odkazem na tento text ujistit přímým dotazem na ČSÚ, z kontaktů mi přijde jako nejvhodnější: *** oznaceni za verejny rejstrik je dostacujici pro vseobecne pouziti i v OSM. Muzeme data pouzivat ad lib. Zajimavejsi pro mne je, ze produktem registru jsou nejen UIR-ZSJ ale take Adresni Body, ktere mame importovany jen z nekompletniho registru MMR. ha hanoj To je sice zajímavé, ale nám asi k ničemu, protože to stojí 20 000,- Ceník je tady: http://www.czso.cz/csu/redakce.nsf/i/f_registr_scitacich_obvodu_%28rso%29 masox ale vybery z kraju sou levnejsi, kdybych momentalne neplanoval asi tak 3 dovolene, mozna bych ten olomouckej koupil;) -- Michal Grézl http://walley.org No i kdyby se nasel nekdo, kdo by to zafinancoval, tak je otazka jak je to s licenci. Cena by tak mohla byt od 20 az do 180 tisic. ;-) Vice tady: http://www.czso.cz/csu/redakce.nsf/i/m_podminky_pro_komercni_vyuziti_produktu_csu_pri_pouziti_smluvnich_cen masox ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
