Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Regarding Potlatch user numbers, here are some more stats: http://osm.townsendjennings.com/potlatch.html Looks like 300+ users per week are still submitting ~2,000 changesets with 200k-400k edits via Potlatch (as counted by ‘%potlatch%’ in the cr

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 18:11, Guillaume Rischard wrote: > > As someone who’s listed as having used 9 different editors on > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Stereo (including “unknown”), I know how important > the variety and richness of editing possibilities is. agreed. Admitted

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

While the benefit of making Potlatch 2 on AIR is small, the cost is tiny. 2500 Euros is an insignificant price to pay for supporting an editor which is still used by a couple of thousand long-term users. I support this expenditure. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 10:05 AM Alexandre Ol

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

sent from a phone > On 3. Aug 2020, at 00:09, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> I guess this is about not handling symbols? > > > Not really - see > https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/6368/in-josm-is-it-possible-to-see-gpx-track-waypoint-details > for information. the second answer suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 02/08/2020 22:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 2. Aug 2020, at 17:09, Andy Townsend wrote: GPX track waypoint handling is the biggest missing piece of functionality for me, so you can start with that one if you wish I guess this is about not handling symbols? Not

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 17:09, Andy Townsend wrote: > > GPX track waypoint handling is the biggest missing piece of functionality for > me, so you can start with that one if you wish I guess this is about not handling symbols? Because Josm does show waypoints and their names

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

Bryan Housel hasn’t been the iD maintainer for a few weeks now. You can find the discussion on the OSMF board’s proposal to resolve controversies related to iD at https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-June/006865.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

And 2021 will be year of Linux on desktop. More seriously, maybe in long run  Windows will fall and Linux will survive but it is not happening in any near future. 2 Aug 2020, 16:41 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will > fail in

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

Will this mean that iD would adhere to de facto situation as well as wiki info and stop lying that original water schema is "deprecated" and authoritarian coder Brian will be removed from decision making and communication? ___ talk mailing list talk@opens

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestions welcome | Re: Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

In the absence of other proposals, even splitting it among the other two would be a much better use, in my opinion. -- Skyler On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, at 13:27, Rory McCann wrote: > On 02.08.20 01:03, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > > Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think using any funds at all to > >

[OSM-talk] Suggestions welcome | Re: Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 02.08.20 01:03, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think using any funds at all to continue support for a tool that 1% of editors use would be wasteful. Flash is, for all intents and purposes, a dead technology. This money is better spent on other uses. What would yo

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:railway=stop

Please click on the "View History" link of the wiki page (upper right) to see the contributors to this wiki (there are ten). You can click on their username links to contact them. SteveA > On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:25 AM, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk > wrote: > Did someone on this List, contribute to th

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

I'd like to share my two cents on the matter of supporting Potlatch 2, an editor built with (now) dead technology. I don't think it's worth spending money to update P2 to Air. As others have stated, Air has been discontinued as well, and it was developed by Adobe, probably with the same amount of

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Am 02.08.2020 um 11:31 schrieb mmd: > ... > In a more mid-term, I really like to see a move away from such > proprietary platforms to an editor that runs in a browser > out-of-the-box. ... Don't we already have that? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature _

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Hi Sören, The OSMF would, of course, be open to supporting development on editors other than Potlatch, and on other pieces of our infrastructure. Remember that this is a pilot for three projects with three long-term trusted contributors, so we can humbly learn how to do this the right way. As

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

To nip this one in the bud: No one employed by Mapbox is currently working on iD. Quincy, the current iD maintainer and lead developer, doesn’t and has never worked for Mapbox. Mapbox won’t receive any funding from this. Guillaume > On 2 Aug 2020, at 14:50, JB wrote: > > So, with sarcasm (at

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Hi, On 8/2/20 14:51, pangoSE wrote: > I never use nonfree software like flash so I never tried P2. What is so > special about it? Is there something hindering adding that specialness > (as a plugin perhaps) to JOSM? Every single Potlatch user has probably been told 20 times that they should be sw

[OSM-talk] Tag:railway=stop

Did someone on this List, contribute to this Wiki.?   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dstop    ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 2020-08-02 16:41, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: > Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will > fail in the long run. Remember that Windows shouldn't be the main target > platform anymore because it is dying and the society is to blame that they > don't get

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Air is not a zero security risk, but the exposure is much lower than the old days of Flash. I hate the security problems that came from Flash, as well as almost anything from Adobe, but I think the premise of this project to improve maintainability is important.   Although not part of this pro

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 02/08/2020 15:41, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will fail in the long run. Remember that Windows shouldn't be the main target platform anymore because it is dying and the society is to blame that they don't get it. T

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will fail in the long run. Remember that Windows shouldn't be the main target platform anymore because it is dying and the society is to blame that they don't get it.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Messa

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

The way I read this, is that there is money that will be used toward advancing the 3 projects and funding is being sought to finance continued development of iD. So I'd say there is a difference. I take it all as good news. Of course, I would also like to see some financial support for JOSM and Ve

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Personally I use Linux and I fail to see why funding an application that isn't multiplatform. I choose to use linux as scripting/data manipulation is easier than windows. I will not install adobe air as it's discontinued on linux since 2011(security bugs anyone?). Development and bug fixes on AIR

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

If Air is proprietary and an Adobe product I strongly suggest avoiding it purely from a security point of view. Adobe does not have a good reputation in the security world. Comments certainly have been made about Flash. I don't think we should be encouraging the installation of software that cou

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Is this the platform you are targeting? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR Its proprietary which makes it prone to the same fate as Flash Player. Why even consider such a move? I never use nonfree software like flash so I never tried P2. What is so special about it? Is there something h

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

So, with sarcasm (at least half-)on, and english not being my mothertongue: the osm2pgsql/Nomatim/Potlatch grants were just Troyan horses to enable the OSMF funding of (ex or not ex?) Mapbox developer, with contributors not screaming too loudly? And explaining the iD conflict resolution process

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 13:49, Mikel Maron wrote: > > As part of this focus, we want to organise coordinated funding to support > continued maintenance and development of the iD editor, as iD's strong > continuous development over the past several years has served the OSM > c

[OSM-talk] Funding of iD Development and Maintenance

Hello The OSMF board is working to make OSM's core software and infrastructure more stable and sustainable by supporting paid roles for priority needs, such as the Senior Site Reliability role (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-July/006973.html), and the pilot to fund "O

[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #523 2020-07-21-2020-07-27

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 523, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13451/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log i

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch

On 2020-08-02 11:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The other is that  > 2020's P2 users, contrary to the cliche of 2010, are actually pretty > skilled and experienced (by definition the beginner users use iD > these days) - many of them have a four-figure number of  > changesets - so installing AIR sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Am 02.08.2020 um 01:03 schrieb Skyler Hawthorne: > ... > > Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think using any funds at all to > continue support for a tool that 1% of editors use would be wasteful. > Flash is, for all intents and purposes, a dead technology. This money > is better spent on other us

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch

mmd wrote: > I'm wondering if some of the changes that are now needed for AIR > would make it more difficult to switch to Ruffle later on. The short answer is (based on the POC work I've done so far) no. :) The slightly longer answer is that I hope, as part of this project, to make a number of cha

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

Operator or network tags are often quoted for this kind of network. However I find it difficult not to wish for putting 'name=Boulder Valley Ranch Trails' somewhere, and a relation seems a good candidate. network:name=Boulder Valley Ranch Trails? But the network tag and its acronyms values mak

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

On 2020-08-01 12:42, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ruffle is showing promise (https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle) and is > under very active development, but does not yet support AS3 or the Flash > Player features that P2 needs. I would anticipate that P2 will be able > to run as WebAssembly when Ruf

Re: [OSM-talk] {Disarmed} Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Le 01/08/2020 à 02:27, Guillaume Rischard a écrit : Hi all, The OSMF Board wants to facilitate and support improving infrastructure. During the Microgrants process, there were proposals that didn’t make it, but would together be a good pilot for a “OSM infrastructure” process, to learn ho

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think using any funds at all to > continue support for a tool that 1% of editors use would be wasteful. > Flash is, for all intents and purposes, a dead technology. This > money is better spent on other uses. The entire point is to move a

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2 Aug 2020, 09:25 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 2. Aug 2020, at 03:19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> An indication that all these things are maintained by one organization? >> > > > there is the operator tag for this. Don’t use relations where tags can

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

sent from a phone > On 2. Aug 2020, at 03:19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An indication that all these things are maintained by one organization? there is the operator tag for this. Don’t use relations where tags can do the trick... Cheers Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

1 Aug 2020, 18:20 by miketh...@gmail.com: > I have come across a number of examples[0] of route relations where all the > trails in a given park have been put into a single relation.  Is this a > recommended use for route relations? > "Trail is within park XYZ" is not valid use of relation in

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2 Aug 2020, 07:14 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > > > Le 1 août 2020 22:08:17 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer > a écrit : > >> >> > >sent from a phone > >>> On 1. Aug 2020, at 20:48, Yves via talk wrote: >>> >>> This would be better joined in a site relation. >>> >> >> > >why should it? What’s t