Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

0 om 14:15 schreef Dave F via Talk-GB : Hi There was a discussion 5 years ago. There may have been others. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017455.html Many amenity=university tags were added unnecessarily to building=yes A contributor had converted these to building=

[Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

Hi There was a discussion 5 years ago. There may have been others. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017455.html Many amenity=university tags were added unnecessarily to building=yes A contributor had converted these to building=university, in accordance with the wiki.

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

On 01/02/2020 12:40, Tony OSM wrote: Hi Great to see your station work. Thanks I agree they should all be station. If DfT classifies stations as A-F or whatever then a tag to indicate that would be useful. These DfT classifications seem to be used by the rail industry to indicate

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

On 01/02/2020 10:39, Gareth L wrote: Just to throw in some awkward cases, there are stations which are request stops in one direction only. E.g. Llanwrda is request stop southbound but always stops northbound. Basing use of this tag on service pattern, which changes every 6 months seems not

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

On 01/02/2020 00:05, Martin Wynne wrote: The traditional distinction was that Halts were unstaffed. These are now classed as DfT F, which is also worth adding. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] railway=halt

Hi Over the past few months I've been sorting & adding detail to the UK's National Rail railway stations so that OSM has the correct amount. I'm unsure of the benefits of tagging some of them as 'halts'. I'm proposing they should all be 'station'. All 2567 NR Stations with 96 halts in blue:

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?

On 31/01/2020 11:41, Martin Wynne wrote: On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote: OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better. Thanks for the comments. But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of

Re: [OSM-talk] Too subjective & problematic Re: no-go-areas

On 11/01/2020 20:22, Martin Trautmann via talk wrote: But a good map is for people who do NOT know this area. People who know about neither need a map nor a warning. Which those with more accurate, regularly updated data, such a emergency services & governmental authorities, can provide by

Re: [Talk-GB] Landuse between fences?

I forgot to mention that linear ways do have an implied width. It can be explicitly declared with the width tag. Although, other than waterways I don't /think/ any renderers take advantage of it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width DaveF On 01/01/2020 00:49, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote

Re: [Talk-GB] Landuse between fences?

/footpaths o the 'standard' rendering. On 31/12/2019 18:45, Martin Wynne wrote: On 31/12/2019 18:10, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I would add the appropriate surface=* tag to the way. Thanks Dave. But a way is a *line*. I want to tag the *area*. I've got 3 ways - 2 fences and a track. Tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

This question rears its head every year or so & the conclusions are always the same: Far too subjective, Far too transient. Best left to be shown as an overlay by local authorities. My police force produce both crime & road traffic collision maps. DaveF On 31/12/2019 15:14, Martin Trautmann

Re: [Talk-GB] Landuse between fences?

I would add the appropriate surface=* tag to the way. DaveF On 31/12/2019 16:38, Martin Wynne wrote: Here is a track/public bridleway:  http://85a.uk/coffin_way_960x520.jpg which I can easily map as such. But that is just a *centre-line*. If I add the fences, what is the correct landuse

Re: [Talk-GB] New Entertainment venue - what tags?

Hi In your example they're all different companies with different addresses & contact details, FHRS etc Tony's is one company, one address etc, so I think it should be one node, or if mappable, a building part area.. The facilities should be listed in sub tags - bar=yes, restaurant=yes  etc

[Talk-GB] Which paths are shown on this OS 'Standard' render

Hi https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ This OS map render only shows a selection of paths. Does anyone know what criteria OS used to decide which to render? Initially, it appears random. I've a contributor who says it's evidence that some PROWS don't exist any more. They're still shown in

Re: [Talk-GB] Roundabouts one piece or segregated

On 23/12/2019 18:28, David Woolley wrote: On 23/12/2019 18:15, Nick Allen wrote: I may be missing something here, but https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/477263099 looks okay to me. The OP was proposing that ,

Re: [Talk-GB] No Through Road Ahead

The advice to tag the tight corner is correct. There's no requirement to tag the whole road as any router/sat nav worth their salt should search well ahead for any such restrictions. Are there chevron signs at the corner? You can always map the actual sign, but personally I don't bother as

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 19/12/2019 02:09, Warin wrote: On 19/12/19 13:01, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - I'd rather the m

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - Not really. pub & hotel are synonymous but building=yes (which indicates it's operational) is antonymous to

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

On 14/12/2019 16:08, Martin Wynne wrote: I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? I would have said farmland=arable/livestock, but it doesn't appear to be that popular.Have you searched

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

On 14/12/2019 15:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this "farmland"?  http://85a.uk/haws_hill_960x600.jpg I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. I concur with your frustration about 'huge multi polygons', especially when joined to other features such as roads & rivers.

Re: [Talk-GB] Lancashire prow_ref reference table

On 26/11/2019 12:01, Tony OSM wrote:  to the preferred prow_ref format  Adlington FP 5. As previous, this is not the preferred format. The format should be as supplied by the LA, the organisation which has the *authority* to name PROWs. Creating a reference unique to OSM doesn't improve the

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

On 13/11/2019 15:42, Jez Nicholson wrote: Hi Dave, There was a long and detailed discussion about where is covered by OSMUK. Hi Where/when was this discussion held? DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

Here's OSM-UK's page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#Guidelines On 13/11/2019 15:08, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Someone involved with OSM-UK may wish to check the definition of The British Isles: https://www.britannica.com/place/British-Isles They may also wish to have

[Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

Hi Someone involved with OSM-UK may wish to check the definition of The British Isles: https://www.britannica.com/place/British-Isles They may also wish to have a read of this: https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/external-relations/constitution/ What is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tesla using OSM without attribution?

I have to laugh at the irony of not only driving to a gym, but then being too lazy to even walk from the entrance back to the car. DaveF On 12/11/2019 10:11, MARLIN LUKE wrote: I've recently come across the information that Tesla might be using OSM, at least for it's "smart summon" feature.

Re: [Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

On 06/11/2019 14:22, SK53 wrote: Personally I'd prefer retaining confectionery & perhaps using some kind of sub-tag for the chocolate bit: although chocolate only/dominated shops are much commoner than some other kinds of sweet shop. Yes. shop=confectionery confectionery= chocolate/fudge etc

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

on wrote: Thanks both @Andy - you're right it certainly doesn't! As the hospital access road (running ENE-WSW) is merely wide with islands rather than formally a dual carriageway, should it be shown as two ways like that? @Dave F When you say roundabouts need splitting, will they still get int

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=2580522=true&_noCache=on Click on 'Analysis on map' All bits with a marker need looking at, plus roundabouts require splitting as the bus doesn't go all the way around. This one looks like a right mess given the loop with the bus stop is

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding buildings and addresses

no?) On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:43 AM Dave F via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: Could you clarify/give an example of what you mean by 'Community Maps''? DaveF On 16/09/2019 00:02, Luciën Greefkes via Talk-GB wrote: Hello everyone, I'm currently working on mapping the neighbourh

Re: [Talk-GB] Zebra crossings being lost in iD - how to respond

On 25/10/2019 12:04, Andy Townsend wrote: On 25/10/2019 11:43, Jez Nicholson wrote: +1 for a bot edit Perhaps Maproulette would be a better option?  Zebra markings would often be visible on aerial imagery, and a comparison of newer vs older imagery might allow people to identify recent

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

because (1) parish councils are third parties to the Public Sector Mapping Agreement and (2) they have just had a lot of assets (or should that be liabilities?) devolved to them from higher tiers of government. Edward On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 16:25, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Which Sutton? Could

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

Which Sutton? Could you post the OP? DaveF On 23/10/2019 15:49, Edward Bainton wrote: Hi all On the forum marczoutendijk gave me an Overpass query to find grit-bins in Sutton. He added an admin-level to distinguish the parish of Sutton from the London borough. The only issue is, there

[OSM-talk] Facebook map frequency of updates?

Hi An owner of an art centre in the UK has contacted me to ask why the 10 month old edits to the centre's building haven't appeared in Facebook. Looking around it appears the render FB are using is more than 12 months old. Is this delay standard for FB. Disappointing if it is as it shows OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] Fixmes and Notes

Hi I've amended the OP query to return more on topic results: Restrict it to footways & paths Find fixme values which include, but aren't solely either incomplete,stub, longer than this or continue" Add 'survey' value. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/N5N DaveF On 13/10/2019 13:57, Rob

Re: [OSM-talk] Should a deleted user's chainset list be removed?

On 11/10/2019 12:17, Andy Townsend wrote: No, as previously mentioned there _is_ a trace of the edits, just not a nice button that you can click to get them on osm.org. What was the specific reason to prevent the changeset from being viewed normally as if a current user? More time & effort

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

Oh, is /that/ what he's doing? On 10/10/2019 17:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: *Ahem* no offence to Simon, obviouslyhe's just trying to check out a manufacturer's claims and opening a can of worms in the process. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:18 PM Dave F via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should a deleted user's chainset list be removed?

Thanks for the replies, but before we delve headlong into detailed database manipulation could it be established why they're not listed on the website & if possible, get them displayed. DaveF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Should a deleted user's chainset list be removed?

Hi I was in a conversation with a user who's account has since been deleted. Unsure if it was by admin or self removed. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/user_7411226 (When he was editing his username was 'Stonemill2') As you can see his previous chainsets are now unviewable. When they

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

On 09/10/2019 23:12, Warin wrote: I'd think to get that level of accuracy you 'd need readings over some considerable time... days? Otherwise you get bias from, as you hint, the atmospheric conditions, the satellites in view - their bias, angles .. Unless you have access to correction

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

long ago it is that you were in discussion with them? On 10 Oct 2019 00:26, "Dave F via Talk-GB" wrote: I've had the occasional limited discussions on social media. Arguments against using OSM fall into 1. Claim of no cost to use OS data as it's via local authority licensing. Unsure i

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

On 10/10/2019 00:11, Warin wrote: On 09/10/19 21:21, Martin Wynne wrote: On 09/10/2019 11:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Not so fast... The current Company is still bust. The shops are closed. "Sunderland-based Hays said it planned to reopen all the shops under its own brand with imme

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

I've had the occasional limited discussions on social media. Arguments against using OSM fall into 1. Claim of no cost to use OS data as it's via local authority licensing. Unsure if it's all LAs 2. They "wanted to use mapping that had 100% reliable data for the users benefit." 3. Mild

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

2cm? I'm intrigued, what model are you using? What were the atmospheric conditions on the day you took your reading? DaveF On 09/10/2019 11:05, Simon Ritchie wrote: I've been working with some GPS equipment that claims to be accurate to 2cm. To test it, I've been visiting local OS trig

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

Not so fast... The current Company is still bust. The shops are closed. On 09/10/2019 11:00, Martin Wynne wrote: The advantage of turning them all to disused: is that they are done. The disadvantage is that there is no local confirmation. However .. I think most will agree that even without a

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: On 04/10/2019 00:26, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just not accurate enough as stated in this, & numerous other threads. There's no point in importing to stand

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I think this is a Win/JOSM problem - After pasting the URL If I move the cursor using the arrow keys the TMS URL is created. Thanks DaveF On 02/10/2019 17:19, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks for reporting a problem - I'll always try to respond if I can. The installation process has changed in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

FYI in JOSM (latest) https wont generate a TMS URL. I had to change the pasted URL to http & then back again. then it generated & 'ungreyed' the Okay button. Is this expected behaviour? On 02/10/2019 15:37, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks, I've just updated with August 2019 data, the next update is

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

Bike riders may like to read about  the latest mess concerning cycle lanes: https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/underhand-law-change-undermines-mandatory-cycle-lanes?fbclid=IwAR1oqOMvD9XjMFrLwKAr65Jw-8ifm0qXSNshRe7yhbKiZ2h7-sVlxsXLbyU DaveF On 22/09/2019 15:45, Mike Baggaley wrote: I would prefer

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

On 29/09/2019 14:30, David Woolley wrote: I think too much effort goes into these big changes. The actual change is dead easy in JOSM. It's all this faffing about having to discuss it that takes up all the time. As I said in another thread this increasing reluctance to removing/updating

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

On 29/09/2019 14:03, Jez Nicholson wrote: Re: my comment about shop=vacant. I may have been convinced to use disused:shop=travel_agent + name=Thomas Cook. * travel_agency Not sure whether a vacant shop with no ghost signage would still be a shop=vacant or a disused:shop=yes. As those two

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

Because shop=* indicates it is still open for business. disused:shop=* indicates it not being used for it's previous purpose. On 25/09/2019 13:24, Andy Mabbett wrote: "Closed for business" does not equate to "vacant". Why not some thing like opening_hours = none

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

My OP should indicate I'm aware of variants. There's the head office, which I believe is still functioning as a part of Matterhorn, a bus stop & a statue DaveF On 24/09/2019 15:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: Just don't take the lawnmower over the database and assume that everything that is called

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

Something has happened. The company went into liquidation (not administration under which, I believe, they could still operate) & the shops have closed. If your local chippy closed would you leave it mapped as still open for business? On 24/09/2019 14:47, Chris Hill wrote: Thomas Cook shops

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

Re: shop=vacant. This is a popular alternative tag, but removes the previous usage from the latest version. I found knowing this helpful when a new shop replaces it - "There's a new café opening in what used to be the flower shop" How is the name tag dealt with if disused: isn't used? Tony.

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding buildings and addresses

Could you clarify/give an example of what you mean by 'Community Maps''? DaveF On 16/09/2019 00:02, Luciën Greefkes via Talk-GB wrote: Hello everyone, I'm currently working on mapping the neighbourhoods of Welwyn Garden City. For that I'd like to use an accurate resource, also not to miss out

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

Hi Bullet point replies: * Under the PROW section why are the 'yes' values not 'designated'? * byway_open_to_all_traffic - Why is motor vehicle 'private/no'? * Clarify which tags are optional (ie horse for Footpaths) * Designated ways aren't limited to

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote: This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the information instead. What evidence have you of this

Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous comments on notes now disabled

On 29/08/2019 22:46, Frederik Ramm wrote: Now, anonymous users can *still* create notes, but they cannot comment on or close existing notes. Can they close their own notes? Perversely, it is much easier to fight a vandal creating new, useless notes (by just closing them) than it is to clean

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OSM as database for nature park hiking routes?

Bernd Could you post an OSM link to the nature park area? Yves Needs confirming, but from Bernd describing the walks as "their routes" I got the impression they were routes conceived by individual walkers rather than the park's authorities. DaveF On 14/08/2019 05:03, Yves wrote: If these

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API - Fetching countries, their capitals, and their borders

This may help for future routines, if not this one: nwr[place~"city|town"][capital=yes][admin_level=2]->.Capitals; .Capitals out center; in your original you were initially searching *all* of the world's towns & cities instead of 194 capitals. (OSM appears to be missing one) It'll need

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

Hi Static Images. "Static images should be generally attributed the same way as dynamic images, " I agree & a way to enable users to easily add attribution needs to be created. The Share>Image feature on the main page should automatically image stamp the attribution into the corner. "images

Re: [Talk-GB] Rowmaps importing in South Gloucestershire

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Public_Rights_of_Way_Data_from_local_councils . While there's nothing listed there, it's definitely not ok to use the data in OSM. Rubbish. Just because one person isn't aware of a fact, it doesn't make it untrue. No one person has authority

Re: [Talk-GB] Rowmaps importing in South Gloucestershire

Hi Neil. I contacted SG recently regarding as updated dataset under OGL v3. A Nicola Chidley from SG said I should use their set on rowmaps. An IT officer also said they were given OS copyright exemption in 2016. As it's designated paths being added other tags as well as highway should be

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Hi I find it slightly irritating the next panorama icon isn't in a constant location on the screen. Is there a key shortcut or maybe add directions arrows at the top of the screen similar to Mapilary? Cheers DaveF On 06/08/2019 15:58, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, To follow up my post of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Microsoft Buildings vs. OpenStreetMap visualization

Hi Is the 'Bing only' vector? On 02/08/2019 12:24, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: Hi, Here's a demo by azavea showing how 125 Million AI-mapped buildings relate to 33 Million buildings currently in OpenStreetMap in the same region.

Re: [Talk-transit] Long bus routes

On 02/08/2019 14:35, Janko Mihelić wrote: I think they should be mapped as relations with only stations in the relation. How would you perform real-time tracking? DaveF ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

It would be good if they could add address data. Probably not postcodes - I assume they're a customer of Royal Mail's PAF, but house numbers & names. DaveF On 29/07/2019 13:32, Gregory Marler wrote: I've exchanged a number of messages with the Amazon mappers and their team lead Jothirnadh.

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

, ael via Talk-GB wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 11:39:11AM +0100, Dave F wrote: Construction areas aren't inaccessible. They have constant traffic of deliveries. This construction area is inaccesible for anything but large specialist vehicles with all-terrain tyres. The construction workers

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

Construction areas aren't inaccessible. They have constant traffic of deliveries. Please provide a link. DaveF On 29/07/2019 11:21, ael wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:42:27AM +0100, Dan S wrote: "stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My understanding is that these

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

Andy There is nothing wrong with adding just highway=service. If you know that the OSM database can be improved by adding additional tags, then do so. (Although I note you're not too sure, yourself) As I understand it Amazon have gpx traces from their delivery vehicles along roads which the

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey OpenData

On 23/07/2019 15:05, Alessandro Sarretta wrote: Just be careful that it seems that the OS OpenData license is not compatible with OSM, see It does not say that. DaveF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Trig Point references

On 12/07/2019 21:19, Philip Barnes wrote: Hi Brian Each pillar has a plate with an OS reassigned reference, which is easily on the ground verifiable. I believe that we should be using that rather than those randomly assigned by a 3rd party site of unknown origin. Hmm... Good job no one did

Re: [OSM-talk] English wiki displaying partial alternate language

Aargh! Thanks Is there a way to set language within a bookmarked URL to prevent this happening? On 11/07/2019 14:47, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: Please click on the wiki UI selector and not a link inside page: [image: image.png] On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 4:46 PM Dave

Re: [OSM-talk] English wiki displaying partial alternate language

On 11/07/2019 14:18, Upliner wrote: Do you see language switcher at the top near user name? Just select English there and all will be fine. Do you see 'English' is in *bold *meaning it's already selected? DaveF ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] English wiki displaying partial alternate language

Hi https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page Anybody else getting partial alternate language? (Slovenian?) https://snag.gy/TlcrxQ.jpg DaveF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-GB] Shops replaced with those tagged in Google maps?

Hi https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69064630#map=16/51.3132/-0.3029 A user has removed what looks like valid data including shops & replaced with those listed in Google Maps https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3167258,-0.304743,149m/data=!3m1!1e3 Anyone local to Epsom that can take a

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

In OSM we map *physical* objects only. What about border - especially lower administrative units and nature reserves? From a previous post: These are still 'physical' in the sense that they exist in the timetable & Naptan documents. (Think also boundaries which don't have dashed lines

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

On 04/07/2019 16:59, Silent Spike wrote: My understanding is that `public_transport=platform` is any place where public transport can be accessed Same as bus_stop/tram_stop, you mean? and should not literally be interpreted as a physical platform then why hi-jack the word 'platform'

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

On 04/07/2019 16:39, Martin Wynne wrote: On 04/07/2019 16:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: In OSM we map *physical* objects only. In rural areas there are many places where buses are timetabled to stop but where there is nothing physical -- no signpost or shelter. These are still 'physical

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

Please, please don't use public_transport=platform unless you're actually mapping an actual, physical, raised object, similar to railway platforms. 'platform' has been misappropriated from the physical railway=platform by those who developed the PT schema to mean an arbitrary area of

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

It should be 'Don't map *incorrectly* to suit the renderer' All tags can be used for rendering otherwise we'd just have black dots & lines. DaveF On 04/07/2019 04:53, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've reordered and reworded several sections of the Good practice page:

Re: [Talk-GB] Snowdonia National Park missing?

I thought how to fix it was explained to you last time: http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=287245 On 18/06/2019 20:23, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi everyone Probably a broken a relation. Beyond my skills to investigate and fix. Can someone suitably equipped please take a look?

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

On 14/06/2019 20:12, Yves wrote: Given that the two tags aren't the same (amenity=atm is an atm, atm=yes contains an atm) That's why Mateusz proposed this edit. If you're not ready to consume OSM data using NOT, AND or OR, don't even start :) As the two tags are mutually exclusive, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

On 14/06/2019 14:10, Jmapb wrote:  If there's a problem with a well-thought-out mechanical edit, it's highly likely to be localized, For mechanical/bot/automated edits, errors are more likely to be duplicated across all amendments. If 'local mapping communities' have 'different ideas' it

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

On 14/06/2019 07:57, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Edits would be split to not create overly large bounding boxes. As long as it's clearly commented, I wouldn't loose any sleep over the physical size of the changeset. OSM should be concerning itself with quality rather than quantity. That the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove blatant duplicates (sustenance=fast_food on amenity=fast_food, atm=yes on amenity=atm etc.)

It's taken you longer to write your email than it would to write a line of extra code to search for them. Easier to distinguish between the two: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JWq DaveF On 14/06/2019 08:27, Johnparis wrote: For ATMs, at least, I would propose the opposite: add the atm=yes tag to

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

Some park runs regularly alter their course to avoid causing damage to the grass, Bus routes are permanently marked with bus stops Complexity isn't a reason to map an item of not On 04/06/2019 14:02, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: An Overpass query for

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

Hi Polygons shouldn't be attached to highways=* which represent an infinitesimally thin centreline & provides no assumption of width. If you wanted to add a gate to the outline of the park it would also, inaccurately, act as a barrier on the road. is there a pond in the rose garden? it

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

Hi I was thinking of purchasing a 360 camera & assumed all would have this feature built in. I was clearly mistaken. Can anyone recommend one which does? Cheers DaveF On 01/06/2019 04:58, Andrew Harvey wrote: A neat thing you can do is infill the base of the image where your hand/body/head

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

On 01/06/2019 12:00, Colin Smale wrote: Relations are great to represent real-world relations that cannot be inferred (reliably) from the other data in OSM. Often a geometrical relation exists, such as a node inside a polygon, but not always. OSM loves to allow things to be inferred from the

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

You're talking about a different subject, which 'associatedstreets' won't resolve. DaveF On 01/06/2019 12:06, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-06-01 12:34, Gareth L wrote: I was about to say, relations of this manner seem duplicitous of simply having an address. Using only the street name to

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

Hi I've yet to hear a valid reasoning for this relation type. It's much more beneficial to add addresses instead. There appears an increasing tendency to collect almost anything together into a relation. See public-transport's 'stop_area' as another example This is not why relations were

Re: [OSM-talk] mass iD validation arrives in NYC

Oh Good Lord, that's dangerous. 'Everywhere' in the 'Where' option accumulates more warnings (1000+) as you pan around Even JOSM doesn't go that far. DaveF On 28/05/2019 19:17, Markus wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 19:56, Dave F via talk wrote: I notice these changesets were completed

Re: [OSM-talk] mass iD validation arrives in NYC

I notice these changesets were completed in 30/60 seconds respectively. I don't use iD. How is this possible? Does it have a JOSM like mass edit ability?   I don't see asking users to split the changesets as a solution to what is the clear problem of mass adding/amending tags to

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

On 27/05/2019 16:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: AFAIK many editors for example silently drop "created-by" and didn't hear anyone complain about that. That's a bit different. "created-by" was, err,,, created by the developers of the API/editors. Contributors never added it themselves. It hasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

On 27/05/2019 12:23, Phil Wyatt wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dplatform This suggests replacing highway=platform with public_transport=platform Most of the public_transport=* tags are pure duplicates of existing, more popular tags. They add nothing to the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

On 24/05/2019 10:41, Phil Wyatt wrote: Hi Folks, As a relatively new OSM editor, I tend to agree with the explicit tagging rather than implicit - it should help folks learn tags much faster Hi Phil 1) Even for newbies, common sense should tell you that railway=platforms are for the purpose

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove validation rule asking to add highway=footway to railway/public_transport=platform

On 24/05/2019 09:27, Wiklund Johan wrote: As a frequent mapper of public transport features, I agree with the opinions of Markus. Adding footway to the platform serves no purpose but to please poorly built routing engines. Whole heartedly agree. There are far too many routers who can't be

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

...the logical object highway=bus_stop/railway=tram_stop cannot be mapped on the same area as the physical object highway=platform/railway=platform (as they use the same key). 1) highway=bus_stop is a physical object. In OSM we map physical objects. To clarify - What do you mean by 'logical'?

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