On 12/08/2010 00:20, Ulf Lamping wrote:
Am 11.08.2010 20:26, schrieb SteveC:
Despite the discussion resulting from my post yesterday, there
continue to be individuals on the talk@ mailing list disrupting the
community.
Well, who is really disrupting the community?!?
People like John Smith w
On 11/08/2010 23:42, Simon Ward wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 01:26:12PM +0100, Dave F. wrote:
But Steve C. is going on about banning people purely for posting
more messages than others, *even* if they're are on topic.
I don’t think he is. What makes you think this?
Simon
Tim,Simon
On 11/08/2010 22:20, Liz wrote:
I wrote about censorship, and this is the aim at this point, as I see it.
+1
(touché Liz :-) )
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s through.
" - don't reply to _every_ message in a thread, summarise"This is
impossible if the thread is occurring in real time; and even when it's
not you need to reply to each spur & individuals otherwise it leads to
complete confusion.
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On 10/08/2010 20:57, Kevin Peat wrote:
On 10 August 2010 19:25, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
On 10/08/2010 19:13, SteveC wrote:
Interesting statistics:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude/osmtalk
What does that prove?
On 10/08/2010 18:15, Dave F. wrote:
On 10/08/2010 17:59, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Personally I think this idea of labeling people as poisonous is itself
poisonous, and anyone who agrees with it is at least slightly poisonous.
I agree.
Personally I think Steve C is one of the rudest, most
On 10/08/2010 19:13, SteveC wrote:
Interesting statistics:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude/osmtalk
What does that prove?
verbosity *doesn't* equate to disruption.
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his posts are based on the idea of "I don't like
you because you don't agree with me. This thread being a prime example.
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But only sometimes.
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Forwarded from Talk-GB...
Original Message
Subject:[Talk-GB] Revert request
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:06:42 +0100
From: Tom Chance
To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Can somebody revert this edit ASAP?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5383173
My ba
On 01/08/2010 00:08, Dave F. wrote:
On 31/07/2010 20:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
If you look at the duplicate node map then it's no surprise they are
"point dense" - if you have two copies of each that's not hard:
My Lord, take a look at France. Any idea what happene
On 31/07/2010 20:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
If you look at the duplicate node map then it's no surprise they are
"point dense" - if you have two copies of each that's not hard:
My Lord, take a look at France. Any idea what happened t
x27;s a Beta v4 available)
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that in the 'real map' document you twice falsify the
data to suit your niche rendering:
Page 18, 26.
I can find no reference to 'junction=approach' in the wiki. What does
this signify?
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s racing on - but more of that anon.
Great. Thanks for that.
One thing I can't find is GPX tracks (key: G). Has it not been
implemented yet or am I going blind?
Ta
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CAD programs such as AutoCAD that have an angle
attribute. Does mapnik & others have a rotation angle for fills?
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Cartinus wrote:
> Your comment about log in made me try something else. I deleted all cookies
> for openstreetmap.org and now it works again.
Bingo! Worked for me as well. Thanks.
Does anon know if this is a new problem (first time I've had it) or if
it's an ongoing problem
Richard Weait wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> This is the message I'm getting when trying to log onto
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/:
>>
>> "Application error
>> The OpenStreetMap server enc
lorer so just a Firefox problem.
I've tried clearing the cache but with no luck.
Any ideas for a solution?
Thanks
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Aun Johnsen wrote:
> I do not know if they REALLY have copied from OSM or if it is
> coencidential, but until otherwise proven, I hold a finger on them
> using OSM data.
That is a REALLY stupid statement.
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Older gps traces (10 months+) don't appear to be displaying when I click
on The Icon (G) in Potlatch.
They're still listed in GPS Traces & are PUBLIC.
Is there a time limit for their visibility?
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rd landuse=residential?
That's what I've used with just a few properties out on their own.
Is your name Martin? If so (or even if not), do you *really* have to use
that spell checker aggravating graphic?
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using barrier=wall
to distinguish between them.
Is there a better way?
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> please vote:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling
>
Err... Aren't those called houses?
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stake & have indirectly changed the
usage of Marina
The examples I found were all for the water area.
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David Murn wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:56 +0200, Jonas Häggqvist wrote:
>
> For those interested, here is the transcript from
made only by people in the same time zone
or with similar sleep patterns.
Am I correct in thinking there's no record of Instant chat? Was this
discussion transferred to a forum?
As this appears to be a disagreement about the tagging & not just a
specific render, shouldn't this type of discussion be in a forum so that
everybody can have their say?
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David James wrote:
>> Patrick Kilian wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this:
>>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Which forum do you mean by #osm?
>>
>
> IRC channel I'd guess.
>
Sorry, brain fade!
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Patrick Kilian wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> IIRC there was a discussion in #osm which basically went like this:
Hi
Which forum do you mean by #osm?
Ta
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Is there a reason why Mapnik's rendering of leisure=marina has change
from a blue area to a dashed border line?
http://osm.org/go/eukhlr0la--
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Rob wrote:
> Lot of osm promotion in the following TED video !
> Thanks Tim
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_the_year_open_data_went_worldwide.html
>
>
Excellent stuff. Thanks for posting.
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http:
l to make a mercator-specific variant of ScaleLine. I
> have made one here:
> http://www.egil-hjelmeland.no/kart/mercatorScaleLine.js. Anyone are free
> to use it. View it in action at my playground:
> http://www.egil-hjelmeland.no/kart/ .
>
So one of the mapnik guys could imp
quite useful as a guide. Obviously I didn't do any intricate
journey calculations based on it, but as a ball park figure, it came in use.
Could it be reinstated for the higher level zooms, >11 maybe?
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SteveC wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>
>> SteveC wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, please...
>>>
>>> ...Yawn.
>>>
>> That kind of sums you up.
>>
>
> /me
SteveC wrote:
> Oh, please...
>
> ...Yawn.
That kind of sums you up.
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SteveC wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up,
>> quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem?
>>
>
> Hi, you've never done a UI review.
John Smith wrote:
> On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
>> encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
>>
>
> While it'd be nice if people would fix any p
p back here and realise what we're
> missing out on.
You really are a grade A tosser.
When most people here treat others with respect, why do you have to
degenerate it into a juvenile, Youtube style slanging match?
What do you think Granny's reaction will be when she reads this?
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perienced mapper willing to survey.
> And someone able to write a detailed and useful description will be able to
> Potlatch* in the same time
+1
Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
Cheers
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Sam Vekemans wrote:
> Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient.
Only if you want to talk to people either in your own time zone or are
night workers.
Talk@ communicates ideas with all people all over the globe.
Cheers
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I had trouble getting reception on board trains
because of what their roofs were screened with.
I can't believe they'd put much mass up there.
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Steve Doerr wrote:
> How accurate are GPS receivers inside buildings?
Not very, but don't be limited to your unit.
Use photos, pen & paper (see Walking Papers)
http://walking-papers.org/
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on them.
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> 2.0, except for one more thing that's coded but not announced yet. :)
What's the 'flashing' nodes for? It appears to be for new nodes only.
Is it just to highlight that they're new or is there something else?
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s the correct way. Tracing just doesn't cut it.
You need local, on the ground knowledge.
Steve, I've got something for you to do. Why don't you design a logo for
the OSM foundation instead of arrogantly & lazily expecting others,
outside of the foundation, to do
it for you.
.com/2010/02/05/skrunda-soviet-ghost-town_n_450719.html
>
$3.1m for only 110 acres? A tad expensive maybe?
I can't imagine the buildings being of good quality.
In Manhatten, yes, but in the middle of Latvia? Something smells fishy
to me.
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Philip Homburg wrote:
> In your letter dated Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:05:11 + you wrote:
>
>> Philip Homburg wrote:
>>
>>> If the data is not 100% complete and accurate it is useless?
>>>
>>> Get real.
>>>
>> Realizing that the database isn't up to the job it was designed for is
>>
Jeffrey Johnson wrote:
> The US Military and Intelligence services are ALREADY using OSM, and
> its use will continue.
>
>
Are there examples of this you could post?
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are using
data /slightly /more accurate & reliable than OSM.
A statement of what, precisely?
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Philip Homburg wrote:
> In your letter dated Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:03:09 + you wrote:
>
>> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
But the routing/tagging of OSM doesn't fit anything at the moment.
>>> Huh?
>>>
>> Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> Margie Roswell wrote:
>
>> I admit to being disappointed in viewership on this one.
>> Can anyone help to get the word out about this video?
>>
>
> Those who know about the video are probably using JOSM. Potlach's target
> audience who would benefit from the vide
Nakor wrote:
>Hello,
>
> The user osm_king (formerly n_ward) as been doing vandalism edits:
> building shaped like a penis,
Yeah, I know, it's disgusting what those vandals get up to with their
spray cans. ;-)
http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/17/homer-and-the-cerne-abbas-giant/
But you're
Emilie Laffray wrote:
>
>
> On 3 February 2010 15:38, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
>
> John Smith wrote:
> > No but it's a carrot, most people most of the time are only going to
> > map what they can see turn up on mapnik.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Dave F. wrote:
>> Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you show
>> me a router that can get me door to door no matter where I live?
>> Or a search utility that returns no false-positives?
>
> Not with OSM, nor
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Dave F. wrote:
>>> The commercial maps have fixed tagging schemes, minimum quality
>>> standards and only accept trained personnel as mappers. They have
>>> long turnaround times and cost a lot of money to maintain. At OSM we
&
ualization & mouth.
People will tell their friends about OSM when they see a working map not
when present with a long list of XML data.
This won't happen if none of the map creators are taking the data
because they think it's crap.
Cheers
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and have to charge for maps to pay your mappers because
> nobody does it for fun any more.
>
> So, yes, in my eyes the approach is really "take it or leave it", and if
> someone decides he'd rather use TeleAtlas or Navteq then by all means,
> let him do it. I don't kn
lucky dip really, whole villages still missing &
even their connecting roads are absent.
I would hazard a guess that foot routes are nearer to completion than
vehicle.
I'm off to fill in some gaps.
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ork already invested.
I've been saying this since the first week I start working in OSM.
I was basically told to shut up by people here claiming that OSM was a
database with foibles & that the maps providers would have to sort out
themselv
Hi
Many of the UK railway stations have a relation called site :
http://osm.org/go/euu4xiukT--
What is the thinking behind this?
I don't see what this adds to the description especially when building=*
, landuse=* & railway=platform are also often used.
Is it to do with routing?
Ch
Richard Bullock wrote:
>> A highway=steps would imply you can use your car here.
>>
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Steps.jpg
> You wouldn't *seriously* consider driving up or down a flight of
> steps...surely??
The Italian Job? ;-)
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Liz wrote:
> http://bit.ly/5zkvsz
> (apologies to those who get New Scientist earlier than I do, and have already
> read this)
OK, so they're going to add hills & things, but how do they account for
the NIMBY & eco warrior p
Aun Johnsen wrote:
> So complaining about potential job loss in one company shows either
> lack of knowledge, or lack of competence. It is the latter than we are
> better off without them.
I would say it's a combination of both, bought about by the false
confidence of being a virtual monopoly fina
Patrick, take Liz's advice & take a rest.
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> 2010/1/8 Dave F. mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>>
>
> To me, a straight line, irrelevant of length, should have no more than
> two points.
>
>
>
> still you are ignoring projection and earth form, or are you talking
&g
ttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer
Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned 'renderer'. How about don't map
incorrectly for the database:
To me, a straight line, irrelevant of length, should have no more than
two points.
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Jochen Topf wrote:
> Mapnik and many other renderers can display about any projection you can
> think of and then some.
Cool. Do you have any examples?
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his view warnes you that you might run into those
> kinds of problems. It doesn't mean that your data is wrong. It means that in
> some cases your data might not be interpreted in the right way.
>
> Jochen
>
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Niklas Cholmkvist wrote:
> Dave: Is ITO Mapper or osmmapper free libre software or open source
> software, just like the software in the history tab is? (ie. can I
> see/distribute the source code commercially/noncommercially?)
Not 100% sure.
Do you mean the data or the software that extracts/compi
of course, include "closed" applications.
Sounds like a good idea.
It doesn't have to be completely redesigned, just a link saying:
"And here's some other great ways in which OSM can be used..."
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_
cise, that it is purely a database for making maps. Yet, in big
letters on the front page it says "Show me the map - get out of my way!"
It needs to be one way or the other.
Personally I think it _should_ be promoting map renderings, but on it's
main map page
h time mapping over the previous week so I'm
quite happy now, pointing out things that I think are out of proportion.
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curate representation, good. If not, add a note
or Fixme tagged explaining that it needs retracing to get a more
accurate average.
IMO, if your policy was followed, OSM would be a fraction of it's size &
poorer for it.
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on paper & pencil.
I take photographs to help me remember what my route looked like. I find
it extremely useful for recalling road signs & street names.
If your trace goes straight across a field, but you know you walked
around the edge of it, mark i
Dave F. wrote:
> John Smith wrote:
>
>> 2010/1/2 Dave F. :
>>
>>
>>> I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from
>>> the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're
>>>
Liz wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Michael Hufer wrote:
>
>> On the Oregon 550(t) you will find the satellite almanac-screen if you
>> touch the "five-bars" satellite reception indicator.
>>
>>
> Thanks, will try it.
> Later I might read the instructions.
>
>
I wouldn't bother, they're n
John Smith wrote:
> 2010/1/2 Dave F. :
>
>> I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from
>> the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're
>> not really open, are they?
>>
>
> What do you sug
y Colin, I read the readme & other files but it looks like
gobbledy-gook to me.
Is there an explanation anywhere of what these do?
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t;part of the family".
>
>
I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from
the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're
not really open, are they?
Fredrick - I think this needs a separate new topic.
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acy to remove trailing zeros?
2m =2.0m
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ve RSS feeds listing any additions to it.
For my area it's delayed by 3-4 days, but i think there were plans to
improve on that.
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Mike Harris wrote:
> Highly recommended - independent of expensive mapping software
> (although will calibrate and use custom maps) - handles gpx - and more
> formats than you could ever want to know about it - try the freeware
> version but you do need the (good value for money) shareware one f
Hi
Is this just me or widespread?
When editing in Potlatch any bridges that I, or others, have tagged in
the last 3-4 weeks don't display with the heavier black border lines.
Any that were tagged before display fine.
All bridges display correctly in Mapnik.
Any ideas?
Cheers
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nybody's developing a direct download of tracks
from GPSses into OSM?
This function was recently (I think) added to the free version of Google
Earth. It makes life a lot simpler.
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Anthony wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dave F. <mailto:dave...@madasafish.com>> wrote:
>
> John Smith wrote:
> > 2009/12/23 Robin Paulson <mailto:robin.paul...@gmail.com>>:
> >
> >> i had an idea recently, th
got stuck at least you'd be able to find it.
& replacing the transmitter would be cheaper than a GPS unit if it sunk.
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Lennard wrote:
> Dave F. wrote:
>
>
>> barrier=* means that any barrier tag should be rendered, yes?
>>
>> It's listed that mapnik should pick this up, but it doesn't.
>>
>
> It does, but only for ways, not areas. Steve's list doesn
eukOiNU7b--
To check I understand:
barrier=* means that any barrier tag should be rendered, yes?
It's listed that mapnik should pick this up, but it doesn't.
Is that an error in the list or mapnik?
It's the same for width=*
How often does your list refresh?
Is it worth adding Cyc
Dave F. wrote:
> Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>
>> Burning man follows a no trace policy.
>>
>> Who says this & why?
>>
>>
>> Burning man policy
>>
> I'm definitely intrigued by this.
> I thought they were all peace &
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>
> Burning man follows a no trace policy.
>
> Who says this & why?
>
>
> Burning man policy
I'm definitely intrigued by this.
I thought they were all peace & love!
Do you have
astonbury, I was
wondering what the consensus on mapping temporary (but regular) structures?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glastonbury_Festival
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Steve Bennett wrote:
> IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many
> different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance.
Yes, & unless I'm missing something your proposal just adds the long list.
>
> >If it's use *now *is a park, tag it as a park.
> >When & if (an
negativity?
*You *asked for opinions!?! - "What do people think?"
Replies are in the negative because they think your idea is poor for the
reasons stated. It's as simple as that.
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;re the one that's 'hacking' things.
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Steve Bennett wrote:
> > My strategy:
>
>> 1) I want to tag Y instead of X.
>> 2) I tag Y, fallback:X
>> 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever.
>>
>
> My strategy:
>
> 1) I want to tag Y
> 2) I tag Y
> 3) I get on with my life. Renderers
Suddenly,
> instead of being green on mapnik, it will be white again -
> unrecognised tag.
Don't tag for the future.
If it's use *now *is a park, tag it as a park.
When & if (and that's a *big *if when talking about civil engineering
project
candidate for standardising across renderers, right? List the rules in
> one place, then use them globally...
That seems a good idea
Could you list be extended to show for which element the likes of bridge
are/aren't rendered?
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Shalabh wrote:
> And because OSM does not have a blog...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary
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s etc shouldn't be mapped?
If it's a physical entity then it can be mapped.
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Apologize Steve. A bit of brain fade. I was thinking of viaduct, which
clearly isn't listed.
Sorry
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uct as yes, yet it doesn't render.
So what is the difference in meaning between support & render?
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Dave F.
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