Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Thread Liz
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I am simply saying that if you wanted to get involved in the decision whether or not to ask users how they would licence their contributions, there was a really simple way to do so: by joining OSMF. That I did, and was disappointed at the failure

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread Liz
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: Interesting idea. How should this work? Something like?: ... steps leading to today - users indicate ODbL acceptance or not - summarize user replies: x replies, y accept. - somebody processes all the results to show data effect - publish

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Andy Allan wrote: After lots of discussions and What if... scenarios we've all come to the realisation that it's much better to find out what actually happens, and make decisions based on the results. I still don't agree with this approach. It doesn't sit with my idea of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I still don't agree with this approach. It doesn't sit with my idea of democracy. When people vote they need to know for what they are voting, and what the cut off marks are considered to be. It's not a vote. It's a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Tobias Knerr wrote: And exactly that is the problem. Mappers didn't have a say in starting the license change process Yes, they did. After about four years of licence discussion among mappers, OSMF held a vote last autumn in which 89% of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-12 Thread Liz
overall? number of active contributors quantity of data? I do not accept that a decision can be made without the numbers being set *first*. LIz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-07-12 14:35, John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 07:18, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I think operator has been mis-used. It appears in a lot of JOSM presets where I believe it is incorrect. This is an argument over the use

Re: [talk-au] Possible vandalism

2010-07-12 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, David Groom wrote: Hi people I have not been to this area for well over a year, but I thought I had done a bit more than this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1192lon=136.3543zoom=14 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.37294lon=136.10252zoom=15 How do

Re: [talk-au] 'Restrictive cartography'

2010-07-09 Thread Liz
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Ben Last wrote: As a slightly different tack, criminals are now using cheap GPS jammers when ripping off trucks with valuable loads to defeat the GPS-based tracking-and-reporting. The side effects of a jammer can be considerable, including bringing down cellular phone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] public transport routing and OSM-ODbL

2010-07-08 Thread Liz
users can't sort it out fails the usability test. Liz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [talk-au] cc-by not compatible with ODBL ?

2010-07-08 Thread Liz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Bureaucrats have their own agendas and are most unlikely to want to share property GIS knowledge is power, undiluted and building up your own GIS threatens many systems. I'm a bureaucrat, and whilst I can't speak for

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] That license change link

2010-07-08 Thread Liz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: would trigger a change over... or there is, but they aren't telling anyone what it is... -- Forwarded message -- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: 7 July 2010 04:23 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] That license change link To:

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] That license change link

2010-07-08 Thread Liz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, 80n wrote: Not only is the threshold not specified, but the timescale is also undefined. This is designed to win by attrition. No matter how slow the uptake eventually the CC-BY-SA content will be insignificant. 80n Now imagine the scenario of yet another licence

Re: [talk-au] State Of Country Posters - Deadline 8/07/2010 10AM

2010-07-07 Thread Liz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: I think we are struggling to know how to make one. - Ben. On 8 July 2010 06:35, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, the deadline for posters for State Of Country is on 8/07/2010 10am (tomorrow morning). The poster is A1

Re: [talk-au] cc-by not compatible with ODBL ?

2010-07-07 Thread Liz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:ODbL/Upcomingoldid=49 7888diff=next I don't think that they are compatible. My experience of law is small and it is an opinion only. Certainly we would have to negotiate with federal and state

Re: [OSM-talk] Area-type objects and ways along its boundaries

2010-07-06 Thread Liz
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Pieren wrote: You missunderstood : the definition of the border IS the middle of the road or river. If we find a legal source for the admin boundary, it is most of the time less accurate then a GPS trace following the feature irl. there is no misunderstanding the

Re: [talk-au] BMW augmenting gps with inertial navigation

2010-07-06 Thread Liz
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote: BMW has been working on augmenting GPS navigation for some time now, and it took another big step forward in recent weeks with the announcement of its Pathfinder microNavigation system. As the name suggests, that would supplement your basic navigation

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance

2010-07-03 Thread Liz
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Grant Slater wrote: Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. thanks guys we won't have to chat on irc any more now (talk-au) ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Es Official! El Songa SOTM Mundial!

2010-07-02 Thread Liz
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Mike Collinson wrote: (c) 2010 Producciones Shi-Shi Bai S.A. oh no, copyright songs for SOTM? will you lot have to pay to sing them? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Thread Liz
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Nic Roets wrote: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796lon=5.62046zoom=15; layers=B000FTFT doesn't show up on Konqueror - i got a map with some

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-07-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: just checked one of these maps. and interestingly it contains data which is most likely copied from official maps which are not in PD. So it is nearly impossible that these maps are PD. the russian copyright holder may have bought the source data

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-07-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Jaak Laineste wrote: Unfourtunatly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_Soviet_Union does not mention anything about maps. Were soviet military maps subject of copyright within USSR at all? This seems to be the key question. According to my common sense,

Re: [OSM-talk] You have killed accessibility!

2010-07-01 Thread Liz
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Lulu-Ann wrote: Since today the wiki can not be edited any more calculating plus or minus, now you have to be able to see a captcha image. There is no accessibility feature like acoustic output. Revert immediately!!! You are inhibiting our blind contributors to stay

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 76

2010-06-29 Thread Liz
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Mike Harris wrote: However, I would not use 'unclassified' for the above reason nor 'residential' if there were no houses and it was rural rather than urban. I would normally go for track - but add sufficient further tags (tracktype= and/or surface=) to make the

Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas

2010-06-28 Thread Liz
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: State forests aren't the same thing as national parks, state forests are government operated logging areas... not necessarily. In NSW it was that state forests had really loose rules about human recreation and national parks had very heavy handed rules so

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Thread Liz
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Andy Allan wrote: It starts coming down to questions of time and money, and I only have a limited supply of both :-) Usually one has either time OR money, and never both at once ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for street danger levels

2010-06-21 Thread Liz
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Paul Houle wrote: Toby Murray wrote: Someone in my area is starting up a new website that is focused on cycling in the city. They have decided to use OSM as their map which is awesome. Streets are not dangerous to bicyclists; ~intersections~ are dangerous to

Re: [talk-au] ABS data and new license

2010-06-19 Thread Liz
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Franc Carter wrote: Hi, Legal stuff, hurts my brain to the point of making no progress ;-( Does anyone know if the proposed new license is compatible with the ABS license at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ thanks no I don't know the licence asks for

Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.

2010-06-16 Thread Liz
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: On 16 June 2010 21:56, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote: In the absence of any objection I intend proceeding with this scheme on the coming Monday (21st June, 2010). Can you please update a couple of stations and paste links showing what you plan

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down

2010-06-15 Thread Liz
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Grant Slater wrote: On 15 June 2010 08:56, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: The tweet says couple of hours and that was 5 hours ago. Anyone knows how much longer will it take? We had to wait for Adaptec to start work - Grant is holding on the phone to their

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down

2010-06-15 Thread Liz
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Chris Hill wrote: Liz wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Grant Slater wrote: On 15 June 2010 08:56, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: The tweet says couple of hours and that was 5 hours ago. Anyone knows how much longer will it take? We had to wait for Adaptec to start

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device

2010-06-15 Thread Liz
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Lambertus wrote: On 2010-06-15 01:53, Liz wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Does anyone have similar experiences, and maybe an explanation why this happenes? Are the OSM maps too detailed for a simple device like this to calculate? Using a separate

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on OSM maps on a Garmin device

2010-06-14 Thread Liz
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Does anyone have similar experiences, and maybe an explanation why this happenes? Are the OSM maps too detailed for a simple device like this to calculate? Using a separate *set* of maps for Australia, I have had trouble with calculating a route that

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote: Can you post any links to where you've seen these fixed barriers referred to anything but jumps? because if you can't prove it to JS you'll be mincemeat on the wiki ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground cattle grid called a cavaletti. Typically, it would consist of about 4 widely-spaced logs across the track at a

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Ben Last wrote: On 9 June 2010 12:47, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Most aussie maps show dirt roads as a dashed line, but this might upset/confuse the Europeans... Is there no tag for paved with gold? b well we should make one it may have limited use

Re: [talk-au] NearMap support for OSM editing

2010-06-08 Thread Liz
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Ben Last wrote: On 8 June 2010 14:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know about the mapzen editor cloudmade produced? http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/ Yes, we do, and whilst it's an interesting piece of work, it's still too complex for general users (in

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread Liz
, then I do some changes to road and river. So frequently a body of water will have a layer tag other than zero. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)

2010-06-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, John Henderson wrote: I've gone back to using the genuine AC power supply, with a 230v inverter when I use it in the car. I've got an inverter - use it to charge the battery rather than constant use on the inverter ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Making a laptop Into a Big-Screen GPS (cont.)

2010-06-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: 1. Where is there a tutorial/howto/whatever for Navit. For me it comes up with a blank screen ... and no maps. I did attempt to download some maps for SE Australia ... so, how do I proceed from this point?? you need a suitable conf

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for comments: Playground Equipment Proposal

2010-06-02 Thread Liz
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, colliar wrote: Am 01.06.2010 16:01, schrieb lulu-...@gmx.de: Hi there, this is not my proposal, but as RfC was forgotten I ask for your comments now. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Playground_Equipment It has been well discussed on mailing

Re: [talk-au] Making a Laptop GPS

2010-06-02 Thread Liz
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: I have in mind a project that involves making my old laptop into a large-screen GPS. Maybe someone on this list can refer me to where this has been mentioned before. My OS of choice is linux, but the laptop will still run winXP, and there

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Thread Liz
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: strange - in my country I would just ask some one - never fails you must be a bit older and used to older methods :) last time I got asked for where is a street I was out mapping, so oddly although 500km from home I did know where the street was, and

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Liz
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground.

Re: [OSM-talk] Questions regarding the mapping of hiking trails

2010-05-29 Thread Liz
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Sami Dalouche wrote: Hi, I've started contributing hiking data in the ADK, NY. However, I have a few questions : Let's take the following area, for instance : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.1458988189697lon=-73.9613342285156zo om=13 1/ There is a trail

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-26 Thread Liz
On Wed, 26 May 2010, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Can a station be an isolated dwelling ? Just kidding... Almost - usually the station master had his own house. Now if it was isolated it wouldn't get staff either However as apparently only 4 people now live at Cook, which is an essential stop for

Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline

2010-05-24 Thread Liz
On Tue, 25 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 24 May 2010 21:33, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: the coastline from mgkmap creations. I thought it would be a good exercise to see if relations will help. Error checking doesn't seem to me to be a good idea to use relations, JOSM has a

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-23 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 May 2010, cultural differences... I don't know why. Without wishing to cause offence, we need to accept that there are cultural differences. We cannot ever understand them all, but we can accept that we do not all see the world the same way. I think that I understand that in

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-22 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Arlindo Pereira wrote: As expected, it's a file with the blocks (quadras) structure. How do you think it could be imported into OSM, if useful at all? I mean, we map roads and the buildings that are on the blocks, but not the blocks itself. Just to exemplify, a place near

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Roland Olbricht wrote: - railway=halt is at least in Europe already frequently used with a different meaning: station designates stations where trains can begin or terminate. halt means (usually smaller) stations where trains only stop but legally can't begin or end. To

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Jens Müller wrote: Rails within a city (which usually serve for mass transit within the city) should be tagged as railway=tram or railway=light_rail. Please add this to the wiki page to prevent somebody else from mapping them on error as railway=rail or something else.

[OSM-talk] project of the week

2010-05-22 Thread Liz
http://opengeodata.org/project-of-the-week-22-may-2010-pushing-up-da Pushing up daisies Not a well chosen name. It turned out to be about gardening, but here pushing up daisies is a saying which means dead and buried (hence turned to fertiliser and making the daisies grow).

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-21 Thread Liz
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Pieren wrote: place=farm In some countries the official type of a residential area smaller than a hamlet (Germany: Gehöft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Geh%C3%B6ft). place=isolated_dwelling In some countries the official type of a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] ?

2010-05-20 Thread Liz
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Maarten Deen wrote: Geowanking? Don't me wrong, but wanking does not have a very favourable connotation in my book. What is geowanking about? Regards, Maarten surely it implies a bit of fun? (white haired from age ;) )

Re: [talk-au] General Observations.

2010-05-20 Thread Liz
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Liz wrote: There are some difficult ones which relate to Crescent and similar endings. crescent / court / circuit and green / grove If we can't expand it, we should find out. Email the local council and ask for the street name; knock on doors and ask the residents

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they were towns I'm sure that the

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Yes you could take the existing logo and just make it red or something, but that's just not nearly as appealing as changing it fundamentally because there's a sea of other ideas out

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 17 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, to make sure I'm understanding what we're talking about, you're talking about an area where water runs *into*, in order to seep into the soil? That would be a retention basin I think, and these drains have exits as far as i understand

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 17 May 2010, John Smith wrote: The current tagging scheme for doing transponders don't seem to take multiple transponders on the same tower: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010, you wrote: On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 18 May 2010 09:35, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: The original data source contains all those kinds of things: http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_proximity.nearby_sites_list?pMODE= DMSpLAT=-35.13873086pLONG=149.17643464 It

[talk-au] vandalism?

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
on a low zoom map Tasmania now appears as Hampshire haven't got time to check it out ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Thread Liz
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: One of my favourite things about working on openstreetmap is just how much you learn about the world...without ever leaving your computer :) One of the things I love about OSM is how it has encouraged me to see so many new things

Re: [talk-au] New gateway motorway bridge duplication

2010-05-15 Thread Liz
On Sun, 16 May 2010, Andrew Gregory wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:55:18 +0800, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It's been months now since a new section of the gateway motorway opened and it still hasn't appeared on their maps, and today, or tomorrow at the latest, the gateway

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air - lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt. Eg:

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Robert Martinez wrote: John Smith wrote: don't mind the current logo, it incorporates the fact that there is bits behind the rendering... Isn't that kind of lame in the digital age we live in? :P looks better than those flag things on the golf course, which is what

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa don't forget oxygen is not only poisonous in some forms but promotes explosions so ban

[talk-au] Border dispute answers erased in time - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/14/2899710.htm -- Advancement in position. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Perth Vandalism Reverted

2010-05-09 Thread Liz
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: All the reverts have been done on the vandalism in the Perth area. Please feel free to correct any errors you may come across. All the reverts are under my username so if they seem in error don't complain to me, I have just spent the better part of

Re: [talk-au] More General Observations

2010-05-09 Thread Liz
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Except Tasmania where I don't think I saw a road outside towns that was straight for more than 1k, whereas out the back blocks of Qld etc they go forever. In the 1980s we lived in NWQ, and travelled to Tassie on holidays. We got the impression that

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread Liz
On Sat, 8 May 2010, John Henderson wrote: There's a very sensible proposal for tagging fords which overcomes the problem of ways tagged as highway=ford not rendering: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ford John H Useful tags layer=* As the road is literally under the waterway, the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of

2010-05-05 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Tyler Ritchie wrote: That right there says more about the introductory documentation than really anyone else has been able to articulate. I'm struggling to find any method of signing up to OSM and modifying data that makes it look like a game.

Re: [talk-au] NSW data sets

2010-05-05 Thread Liz
On Wed, 5 May 2010, John Smith wrote: Would it be worth, or has anyone, filed petitions for more liberal licensing? we already have the NSWGNB data imported with permission trying to get these would be worthwhile the NPWS estate Wilderness areas but i can't imagine us getting hold of where

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Ben Laenen wrote: Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your route suggestions, and there's no reason why this should be in the OSM database. -1

Re: [talk-au] Abuse

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Done and Done, Response from osm I've put a block on him with a message he will need to read before he can edit again. I suggest we wait to see if that prompts him to get in touch before we embark on a revert. Cheers Ross any further news??

Re: [talk-au] Abuse

2010-05-03 Thread Liz
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: Nothing yet, according to the wiki it will be five days before anything further so I'll chase it up on thursday (won't be here wednesday). Thanks for that update Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-05-02 Thread Liz
On Sun, 2 May 2010, David Murn wrote: Aussie tagging guidelines say (and Ive checked, no wikifiddling of this part for over 12 months): even this had to be restored back then somebody decided that we shouldn't have any Australian notes on roundabouts and removed the paragraph, put in a link

Re: [OSM-talk] bulk merge of duplicate points

2010-04-29 Thread Liz
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Robin Paulson wrote: can this be made to run in a bulk fashion? i was under the impression after running the check, it required each set of duplicate nodes to be accepted for merging. we will potentially have tens of thousands of duplicates, so this isn't really on It

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-29 Thread Liz
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: I don't know about everyone else, but I see the tagging there as a pretty normal shortcut. I've done the same thing myself. New housing developments often contain dozens of roundabouts. Better to tag them as mini_roundabout than not to tag them at all.

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-28 Thread Liz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Richard Colless wrote: Liz wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: This is currently a real roundabout in OSM, but local knowledge tells me that it is impossible to go around more than about 90 degrees 270 degrees at this intersection. That is, from any

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-28 Thread Liz
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: More tiny roundabouts... http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.784522,144.34539z=21t=hnmd=20100130 http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-36.781026,144.34619z=22t=hnmd=20100130 JS can you give me leads on the local Council and I'll see what I can find out from meeting

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Kev js1982 wrote: With regards to the fee how would you tag the majority of uk supermarkets where the trolleys accept both £1 and €1 coins? This seams to be pretty standard on all trolleys introduced since approx 1998. I have a token which can used in a trolley/cart

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Hello, I send a proposal Trolley (in part shop) and I send this RFC to get opinions about this. This is a direct link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Trolley The tag is for know if a shop has trolleys. All the details are in

[talk-au] Wikifiddling

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tips_especially_for_Aussies has been marked by (a nonAussie) This page has been suggested for clean-up. Please Discuss. that was dated 02/10/09 It was my first rearrangement of the wiki there is a claim on the 'discuss' link that many of them are not entirely

Re: [talk-au] Abuse

2010-04-27 Thread Liz
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: As best I can tell someone is screwing about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.86983lon=116.0088zoom=15layers=B00 0FTF First it was a primary Chloe Thurkle Highway, then it upgraded to a trunk road and called Charlie Sheen Highway, and while

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Trolley)

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Adrien Pavie wrote: Alex S. : Why would shops have light-rail trains? Yes, it's for shopping cart or caddie, trains in a shop could be strange ^^'. because its a model train shop :) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
Rulez it ain't a roundabout. They are very rare, and perhaps we should draw them out as roundabouts anyway. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: This is currently a real roundabout in OSM, but local knowledge tells me that it is impossible to go around more than about 90 degrees 270 degrees at this intersection. That is, from any approach, you can turn left or right. For most vehicles, the

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Ben Kelley wrote: Hi. Although I know this issue has probably been done to death, I wonder if it is true that there is any difference from a routing point of view between a roundabout and a mini roundabout. Is that a significant difference though? You could easily

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-26 Thread Liz
http://www.billiau.net/osm/roundabouts.pdf is what I researched last time in the last paragraphs no, my Garmin does not respect a roundabout-on-a-node, I was mistaken ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-25 Thread Liz
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Richard Colless wrote: John Smith wrote: On 25 April 2010 00:33, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is definitely not a mini_roundabout even if we had such in Australia which has previously been agreed we don't have them. I wasn't in on that discussion. If

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-24 Thread Liz
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: But why mark it incorrectly in the first place? a) People are lazy b) Person mapping forgot it was a round about and not a normal intersection when they map from GPS traces c) I'm sure I thought up a third reason at some point. c) it's a preset in

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-04-24 Thread Liz
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Ross Scanlon wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:10:31 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: To me a proper roundabout has 3 or more entrances/exits, otherwise it's just a traffic calming device, at the end of a road it's a turning circle... Exactly. The

Re: [talk-au] There is a new version of Nokia Sports Tracker and it uses OSM

2010-04-19 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Christoph Donges wrote: It's available on the ovi store for n97 and 5800 at least. I have used Sports Tracker on my old n95 for all my osm traces and now they are overlaying on the same maps that I helped create. How cool is that? cool unless they are downloading tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] konqueror does not display openstreetmap anymore

2010-04-18 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010, Renaud MICHEL wrote: Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 10:59, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : I noticed that konqueror stopped displaying the openstreetmap maps some time ago. The page of http://www.openstreetmap.org/ is loaded, but the screen stays empty (see screenshot at

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Liz
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Upliner wrote: 2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com: Frederik gave a great advice - if you say that wiki is not a law, just recommendations, then do not take it seriously, let those who want write what they want. Complaining is silly - there is no law, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Contour lines

2010-04-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Steve Hill wrote: SRTM data may be useful for guestimating flowing water courses that can't be otherwise surveyed, I can show you SRTM data that shows elevations in the flat plain at all the watercourses - it picks off the the tree tops which grown in the river bed and

Re: [OSM-talk] User staehler has been duplicating data from google maps

2010-04-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote: Using this map tile comparison, you can see not only the same name data but the same vector data: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=16lat=-33.35369lon=138.20736layers=B0TF This user also duplicated fuel locations. http://osm.org/go/uIWLpgodV--

Re: [OSM-talk] User staehler has been duplicating data from google maps

2010-04-13 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, John Smith wrote: Using this map tile comparison, you can see not only the same name data but the same vector data: What was the result of your attempts at communication with the user? Bye Frederik from talk-au list Hi, I have made

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