As part of improving the wiki pages on UK tagging guidelines, I wanted to
add details about cycle lanes and cycle tracks. As seen in this mailing
list, I quickly got confused. I want to take this opportunity to share my
findings.
1. cycleway key.
I found the current cycleway key to be confusing.
Thanks Martin,
Yes, exactly right; I spent the time to do my research and also wrote up a
brief introduction to cycle tracks vs lanes. As suggested this has now
been moved to the 'tagging' mailing list so feel free to follow the topic
there. I'm a little concerned at how much the scope has
*Sören Gasch said:*
* * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets** you
amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).*There will be the
Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose.
See
- http://ae.osmsurround.org/
-
For mappers which are not OSMF members but interested in the
response...http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2012-August/001618.html
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2012-August/001618.html
The response includes a clear action for OSM/OSMF. That is they would
Hi all,
One of the issues raised with the extended conditions tag schema was the
use of variable values in the key part of the tag. For example maxspeed:wet
= 80 is in the form constant:variable=variable. This has been deemed to
break the basic tagging rules.
Can I therefore give alternative
.
Regards,
Rob
On 9 August 2012 17:14, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
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* maxspeed=120; 80?wet; 60?wet+hgv
Here '?' can be interpreted as 'if' and '+' as 'and'.
It's maybe more readable if you write 120; wet ? 80
Dear List,
{This is a cross post - please reply to the tagging mailing list or the
proposals [2] talk page. Please forward to local mailing lists as
appropriate }
- - - Announcement - - -
Several attempts have in the past been made to develop a tagging scheme
that is capable of handling the more
Hi,
A mapper who is new to my area is interested in mapping disabled access at
a micro level. Specifically he would like to achieve door-to-door mapping
for key shops and amenities, and has made a good start by adding entrance
doors to several buildings.
My Question:
Where should amenity=* and
?
Regards,
Rob
On 30 November 2012 02:23, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/11/29 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
Where should amenity=* and addr:*=* be tagged? One suggestion was to add
all
the detail to the entrance node, but this seems odd to me. For single
Thanks Richard and Richard,
I've passed this on to our local user group and we will be updating the
wiki page with a bid for Birmingham, UK shortly.
Regards,
Rob
p.s. Feel free to drop by the talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list if you
would like to get involved in this bid.
I would be happy to help out with improving the wiki (and do this already).
If anyone has any pages that they think could do with improving then please
add them to the wiki cleanup page.
Rob
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, classes, etc.?
There are a variety of areas where adding some structure to wiki-contained
information would be very helpful.
Thanks, Jeff
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rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:
I would be happy to help out with improving the wiki (and do
Hi All,
(full text and images at
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6J5ZA1hu93bYm9IWXdlVHM1N1U )
Recently landuse=farmland (or simply landuse=farm) has been added to fields
near me. This has led to a discussion about how the rendering 'looks' with
some arguing that it doesn't look that good. I
I should add that if you want to play with Hue, Saturation and Lightness
(HSL) and Luminance then the following is a good place to start:
http://www.workwithcolor.com/hsl-color-picker-01.htm
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it is
now and/or use a different hue than brown, but don't make it as light as
the default background color.
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Hi All,
(full text and images at
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6J5ZA1hu93bYm9IWXdlVHM1N1U
Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback. I have tested some other shades:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6J5ZA1hu93bMzVMQ1Z1SHFqcmM
Any additional comments are very welcome.
Rob
On 5 January 2013 22:18, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
(full text and images at
https
Richard, (All,)
I read your email below and it saddened me that you feel this way. I
therefore want to write a quick thank-you on behalf of the silent layer of
contributors. We are grateful for the work that all developers put into
OSM and please do not feel disheartened by a few negative
Hi List,
If I have a situation (e.g. a 2 level carpark) where a road runs exactly
above another road, how do I map this? Currently I used layers but I have
found that the way is being deleted by another mapper who sees this as a
duplicated way (possibly in keep right). Do I simply need to draw
/9 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
Hi List,
If I have a situation (e.g. a 2 level carpark) where a road runs exactly
above another road, how do I map this? Currently I used layers but I have
found that the way is being deleted by another mapper who sees this as a
duplicated way
Can I ask for some clarification on what is meant by sharing nodes. For
example, if I draw the layer 0 way, then draw the layer 1 way on top, using
the same nodes as a guide, BUT THEN unglue all the nodes by pressing G
in JOSM, does this still count as a shared node?
Thanks,
Rob
Is there any way to pull out the reports that are fine into a document that
can be periodically released?
Rob
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Hi,
I've just had a look at the French publicly available piwik page and it
looks fantastic - lots of great information on here. It seems like some of
the French OSM community are more than willing to help with opening up the
same functionality on the main OSM piwik page so lets get than one live
Nice one! Looks like you have been busy with the improvements to TagInfo.
Thanks for spending the time to make these improvements, I imagine they
weren't particularly quick or easy, but I expect them to benefit many
users. The new API documentation will be a big plus and looks great :-)
RobJN
It sounds like some programmer forgot to allow for the fact that we live
in a three-dimensional world.
No, no. The nodes hadn't been properly unglued and hence the fixing tool
flagged the ways as duplicate. I'm going to restore the way but make sure
the nodes are not shared (connected) this time.
Why not keep the © Openstreetmap contributors bit and add a Report an
issue / Add to the map type button or text? This would then link to a very
simple page as proposed (but themed to better match OSMs brand) which also
explains how to add a bug/notice using [1] and how to get more involved
with
GPS Tracks vs GPS Traces doesn't bother me either way, as long as we
are consistent. Once I'm done writing up the Recording ... wiki page I'll
see if I can organise a move.
Any more feedback to my questions (especially about using smartphones in
built GPS) would be very welcome.
RobJN
I actually brought this up again on the dev mailing list just the other
day:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2013-January/026467.html
I very much think it would be a big benefit to see some more stats - it'll
enable me to better focus my time.
Regards,
Rob
Hi All,
We also have many cross-road or T-junctions junctions in the United Kingdom
that have names. Particularly in rural areas where early fingerpost signs
still exist:
Devon: I believe I am right in saying that the name on the column is the
junction name. I seem to remember that I've been
Hi All,
Do we have any guidelines for use of the OSM brand? I'm aware that the
OSM-GB issue gets raised every now and then but hadn't realised until
today how easy it is to get confused between OSM.org and OSM-GB - see for
example the OSM-GB wiki:
** My Opinion **
It looks fine to me as it:
1. Allows the right to use, incorporate, sublicense (with further right of
sublicensing), modify, improve, further develop, and distribute the Data;
and to manufacture and / or distribute Derivative Products
2. Does not make a claim on any derivative
Hi all,
Going back a few years before GPS was widely available in pretty much
everything bar the kitchen sink (please do post a link if you find a gps
enabled sink :-) ) there was some discussion about making your own GPS
receiver. If anyone is interested in taking this on as a nice weekend
Hello,
=== Welcome to SotM 2013 ===
It is with great pleasure that I welcome you to State of the Map 2013. This
year's annual conference for all OpenStreetMap contributors and users will
be held in Birmingham, United Kingdom, on the weekend of 6th-8th September.
The organising team is working to
Hi All,
I saw the request for a banner [1] and replied via email as I am not
on the design mailing list. For transparency here is my reply:
=== start ===
There is a wider issue (and don't mean to be a spoil sport) that
local events using the SotM brand could lead to a weakening of the
main
organising team intend to bid for main SotM next year
- if not then surely you agreeing that SotM is less relevant?
On 27 March 2013 21:44, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
Hi,
On 03/23/2013 11:21 AM, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Hi All,
I saw the request for a banner [1] and replied via
Phil,
From what I can see the technology is used to detect a limited set of signs
only (e.g. Speed limits), rather than reading town names/road reference
numbers/etc. There are a few different ways to do this which you can find
by searching online, but generally the steps are:
1. Detect presence
It looks like you know the answer. And to confirm, this is the list of
installed extensions [1] and the list of admins [2]. I'm not sure if Grant
will have picked up you message on here, so try messaging him through his
Firefishy username. Don't expect anything to occur instantly - we all have
our
It seems that the desire to use a huge image as the background comes at the
expense of the page content. To me a copyright page is about getting the
*details* over. By placing too much emphasis on the image the copyright
page appears like a *brand* or some fancy press release. We have other
pages
Hi All,
- please forward this on to your local communities -
It's that time of year again when we look to you, the mind-bogglingly
creative OpenStreetMap community, to tell us what you've been up to. That's
right - it time to submit your presentation ideas for the annual State of
the Map
Just to add a little more to the Call for Presentations:
This year I personally want to try and get as many people involved as
possible. We are therefore hoping to have a Poster Exhibition for people
who may not be able to attend in person (we can print them locally). If
this sounds interesting
Hi All,
Tickets for OpenStreetMap's State of the Map 2013 conference in
Birmingham, England, are now available. They can be purchased at a
discounted Early Bird rate but only until the end of May. Get yours at
http://www.stateofthemap.org/
Looking forward to seeing everyone there,
Rob Nickerson
Less than 24hrs to sign up for an Early Bird 25% discounted State of the
Map 2013 ticket. Get yours now and join over 80 people who have already
signed up:
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/booking/
See you there,
Rob
Organising committee volunteer,
State of the Map 2013,
stateofthemap.org
Hi All,
Apologies for the delay in replying - I wanted to chase up the facts before
getting back to you.
The Classic, Standard and Superior options are all for the Aston
Conferences hotel. Details about the rooms can be found at
http://www.conferenceaston.co.uk/Content.aspx?PageId=1705
As for
I would imagine that the semicolons in the opening_hours tag are
interpreted by numerous data consumers.
Rob
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Hi Everyone,
So the Early-bird tickets for OSM's State of the Map conference are now
all gone :-( Did you get one? If not don't worry, normal tickets remain on
sale* and you can still get a GBP10 discount if you join the OSM
Foundation. It's worthwhile joining the foundation and attending the
On 1 June 2013 00:30, Paul Norman wrote:
Does this include poster exhibitions?
No, the posters option will stay open after the call for presentations
closes, but we do encourage people to have a go at presenting if they can
attend in person. We're a great community and it's always nice to
Hi All,
The Call for Presentations for State of the Map 2013 closes Monday*. If
you've not yet submitted your presentation proposal please act quickly.
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/
I posted some ideas in recent SotM blog posts to get you thinking. These
were:
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Just a quick update to my previous email. There is now a blog post which
includes a photo showing how we went about placing all your great
presentation proposals in to the State of the Map schedule. Enjoy!
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/blog/busy-june/
Reminder to our presenters: Please could you
Hi All,
As noted the map controls have recently changed on the main osm.org page.
On the talk@ mailing list there was a few comments stating that it would
have been nice to have been asked/consulted first.
The changes were in fact announced and stem from Saman's SOTM US talk
(slides [1], video
I should add that this change lays the foundations for making new feature
available. For example a URL link including marker (the mlat and mlon
stuff). This can be seen here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/328#issuecomment-21197529
Best,
Rob
1) The map controls change was publicised on the blog on the 19th (at the
time of the change):
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/
2) The Communications Working Group is currently looking for help - why not
join them:
Great work, and thanks to Andy for his work re-writing the rendering rules
in CartoCSS.
I'm forwarding this to the general talk mailing list as I expect there
will be some not Brits who will be pleased to hear about the progress on
this one. My understanding (from watching Andy's presentation and
Hi All,
SOTM 2013 is now only 4 weeks away!! For information on signing-up,
submitting a poster and/or attending the post SOTM hackday, please see the
sections below.
== Register to attend ==
If you're planning to come and have not yet signed up, what are you waiting
for? If you head over to the
Hi All,
Just a quick update on the Hackday following SOTM 2013:
If you need somewhere to stay on the Sunday and/or Monday night, Conference
Aston Hotel have kindly extended our discount code. Please book online at
[1] using the discount code in the confirmation email you received when you
signed
The hotel booking link I failed to attach is:
http://kx-web-live.aston.ac.uk/
Cheers,
Rob
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Hi All,
To get you excited for State of the Map in 17 days time, we have launched a
photo competition to find the most usual object / sign / situation found
whilst surveying.
You don't need to be attending SOTM 2013 to enter this competition so head
over to the blog post [1] or wiki page [2] to
Hi All,
Two deadlines for State of the Map to be aware of:
== 1. Posters: ==
We are offering to print (free of charge thanks to ITO World) A1 sized
posters for display at SOTM. This is ideal for people who want to share
something with the community but are unable to attend.
Our print deadline
Hi All,
== SOTM Final Programme ==
After a lot of hard work and many long hours the final programme for State
of the Map 2013 is now available to view at
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/info/programme/
This will also be copied over to Lanyrd in the coming days and the
preceding text updated on the
Hmm, that's odd as I seem to see it fine with and without my google
account. Anyone else able to confirm this for me please?
The programme will be making it's way onto Lanyrd soon so you should be
able to view it there. Lanyrd has a great website designed for mobile
devices (and a dedicated app)
Hi Michael,
I'm sorry that you are having issues with viewing the programme with
NoScript running on your computer. Unfortunately with only 7 days to go
until SOTM, the whole team is bogged down with organising the finer details
needed to ensure that the conference runs as smoothly as possible.
Hi All,
We managed to get a batch of posters printed for SOTM last Friday, so we've
got time to run another print batch next week. If you would like to display
a poster at SOTM 2013 and would like us to print it for you then please get
in contact as soon as possible.
Best wishes,
Rob
We were hoping to get markers/chapters in the video so that you can jump to
the right section. Unfortunately this is taking longer than anticipated.
I'll follow up with this one and see how its going.
Cheers,
Rob
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All,
For those interested in the world of GIS beyond just OpenStreetMap you may
be interested to know that version 2.0 of QGIS (a free open source
alternative to ArcGIS) has now been released.
My understanding is that the old OpenStreetMap plugin (which broke when we
moved to 64bit nodes) has
We are fully aware of all these points and are aiming to do so.
Feel free to organise sotm 14 :-)
On 24 Sep 2013 07:26, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02:05AM +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote:
We were hoping to get markers/chapt...
Unfortunately that isn't enough
Hi all,
I note that there hasn't been a recent what developments are currently
happening type email, so I'll step in with this one.
At SOTM 2013 John Firebaugh (mapbox) presented an update to the SOTM US
talk that explored a new vision for the openatreetmap.org website. The talk
was well
Hi All,
As promised, I am currently working to upload the videos from SOTM 2013 in
Birmingham, all sliced up into the individual presentations (rather than
the whole day).
So far I've managed to upload the videos for Friday. Please be aware that
we had quite a few sound issues on Friday so not
Hi All,
A few days ago there was a thread about the pros/cons of moving admin
boundaries to a new database. I'm not going to give my opinion on this as
the thread has now fizzled out, but I will suggest that decisions like this
should involve as many of our end data users as possible (we have
Jochen Topf said:
I am sorry if I came across as arrogant or dismissive. This is absolutely
not
my intention.
No offence taken. As you say, we are in agreement here, mappers and data
consumers must talk and help each other.
What I was arguing against is somehow feeling
responsible for data
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change
to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive
feedback)
Hi All,
Today the updated design for the main OpenStreetMap.org website is nearly
ready to be rolled out. You can view a demo at
will correct me if I have got this mixed up)
On 12 November 2013 23:05, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change
to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive
feedback)
Hi All,
Today
Forwarding to mailing list.
-- Forwarded message --
From: christian.pietzsch
Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013
Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
To: RobJN
Hi
Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space
for the map itself, clearly
Hi All,
Thank you for all the comments about the proposed redesign of
OpenStreetMap.org website. I fed these back to the developers on the
github pull request [1]. John has written a reply to the ideas, which I
have copied below. In summary changes have been made to the Welcome text
and urban
How do I close the Welcome to openstreetmap box on the new map page?
Regards,
Maarten
Hi Maarten,
Firstly a big thank you to everyone who worked on the new design for
OpenStreetMap.org website. I'm not going to try to name everyone as I am
bound to miss someone out, but as you will see online
Hi Lester,
If you are after a full screen map for your website, it is very easy to
create one with a simple html page that links to Leaflet (the tool for
providing pan and zoom, etc) and the tiles server at OSM. I've attached
something I was able to get up and running quite quickly. My web
Hi all,
We are fast approaching the first Thursday of the month and that means it's
time for the local West Midlands group to meet up for a drink or two in the
evening. All are welcome, so please join us from 7:30pm at The Bull, Price
Street, Birmingham.
(Sorry, that should have gone to talk-gb - please reply there)
On 3 December 2013 22:49, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
We are fast approaching the first Thursday of the month and that means
it's time for the local West Midlands group to meet up for a drink or two
Hi All,
I tried to send the following idea to the imports mailing list the other
day, but turns out I wasn't registered to post there. I guess it fits well
with Summer of Code so I will add it to the wiki, but not being a developer
I can't mentor anyone.
snip
So my question is: How do we
Osmose QA tool do this job.
Perhaps I am not aware of everything that Osmose can do, but my basic
understanding is that it provides an in browser view of errors already in
OSM. What I was trying to propose in (1) and (2) was a really slick, really
simple tool that allows the user to load in two
Hi,
I have a proposal for simplifying the Beginners' Guide on the wiki. This is
step 1 and is all about setting the foundations to make future improvements
a lot easier. Comments on my proposal welcome.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Beginners%27_guide#2014_Updates
Rob
Hi List,
I spotted this on blogs.openstreetmap.org today and though it was worth a
share on this mailing list. The diary post below covers one users
reflection on a recent competition [1] run by Telenav / Scout in the US.
Users were encourage to edit the map to earn points, with the highest
I've looked briefly into using Leaflet or Openlayers can work out how
to hard code the lat/long of each node or to load a gpx file, but see no
way to retrieve the current data. What is the best/any way to do this?
Cheers
Dave F.
Hi Dave,
Take a look at Overpass API [1]. There is a XAPI
Hi All,
Wednesday is Document Freedom Day 2014 - and this year the work of all
OpenStreetMap contributors was recognised by Free Software Foundation
Europe (FSFE) my means of the Document Freedom Day Award 2014.
The award was presented on Saturday in Birmingham, England at an event
attended by
There was a question about bus routes/route relations just the other day.
See my reply* at:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-March/069413.html
Using Overpass API you can extract a line for a bus route relation. By
default you line is made up of all the roads that form part of
I wouldn't get too excited about that EU directive. I've read it twice now
and both times I came to the conclusion that (at least for the UK) address
data will NOT suddenly become available to OSM. For example the directive
still allows for Charging and the use of Licences.
The directive [1]
Hi Erick,
I'm not sure what you mean - can you please tell me what you are referring
to.
If you mean the template for places on the OpenStreetMap wik, such as as
shown on the right hand side of the London page (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London ) then you can edit the template
at
-- Andy Mabbett wrote: --
I gave the requested talk yesterday.
During preparatory discussions, it turned out that, while hosted by
IBM, the audience was a W3C working group, Data on the web best
practice. As such, the interest was no so much trees or gas pipes,
but the use of URIs (particularly
Wow, great stuff.
Is there any live videos / webcasting for those folks who couldn't attend?
Regards,
Rob
p.s. I'll be following the tweets on behalf of the Mappa Mercia (Birmingham
and surrounding area, UK) team.
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SOTM EU and US, combined with the OSMF focus on being more of a
theoretical body have reduced the profit and motivation in doing a SOTM to
approximately zero. I hope it still happens, but I'd be surprised.
It might be better to run a SOTM South America, or something.
Steve
OSMF organised
. The conference was in early September.
Based on these dates (if you add two months to each to reflect that SOTM is
two months later) we are still ahead of last years schedule.
Regards,
Rob
On 4 April 2014 22:59, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
SOTM EU and US, combined
The OSMF key functions are available online [1] and they're very bare bones
- the OSMF is hands off*. The two biggest points that relate to SOTM are:
- Provides a vehicle for fund-raising to support the project. The
foundation can accept donations for the OpenStreetMap Project and allocate
Hi Gonzalo, Henk,
Thanks for the update. Having helped organise last year I had no doubt that
SOTM 2014 would be going ahead - the OSMF, Henk and the SOTM Working Group
are all behind it.
Let me know if you need help with anything (announcements, blogging,
tweeting or something that I can do
Am 14.05.2014 14:46, schrieb Pieren:
I would suggest to remove the diary feature
completely.
In my opinion that would be a big step in the wrong direction. In fact we
should be expanding the community side of OSM.org as the community should
be at the heart of the project. Things like mailing
Great work :-)
It's wonderful to see all the activity on the mapnik-carto rendering rules
and justifies the time spent rewriting the code to Carto. A big thank you
to Andy Allan for kicking that off. His just-do-it approach was exactly
what was needed at the time. I found out at SOTM just how
Archer wrote:
I understood your further post in this manner: you want to take the
Wikipedia link and add with a script or bot the associated Wikidata-ID.
This would add the Wikidata ID Q3038 to both OSM objects place=island and
boundary=administrative of Heligoland because both objects in OSM
To continue your example, there could be St Nicolas's, St Nicolas's
Church Gardens, and St Nicolas's Gift Shop all near each other. Which
one should the wikipedia page St Nicolas's Church match?
Great to see support for the idea. I think it's been a bit of a complex one
that hasn't been grasped
-established and supported by many applications, and support some cases
that aren't supported by the wikidata tag.
2014-06-17 19:06 GMT-03:00 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com:
To continue your example, there could be St Nicolas's, St Nicolas's
Church Gardens
A few OSM members interested in historic maps are working on our own
version of the New York Public Library Building Inspector. If you've not
yet tried it out, go take a look - it's a great site:
http://buildinginspector.nypl.org/
So, the core function they are asking contributors to do is to
I've had a couple of responses off list. These are:
* Constructing the past
* something with crowd in it?
Thanks, for these good ideas. Any more suggestions?
Rob
On 18 June 2014 21:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
A few OSM members interested in historic maps are working
the name as things evolve. :-)
Rob
On 19 June 2014 23:13, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
Open Historical Map which already has a website www.openhistoricalmap.org
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