Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08/13/2018 06:46 PM, Daniel Koć wrote:
>>> I also don't see a reason to add the OLC codes in tags in the
>>> database, even if marked on a building.
>
>> Since buildings are not guaranteed to fit into OLC rectangles and they
>> not 1:1 compatible, this usage makes sense for me.
>
> Which code would you then add to a building? Who would be given the
> power to decide (maybe of the several possible codes, one is nicer or
> contains the initials of the owner)? How would it be verifiable which
> code a building has?
>
> Bye
> Frederik


This is all exactly right. I can see a building having any one of
about 4 OLC 10 digit "addresses" on average depending on which imagery
the building was last aligned to.

That is just reality of how we are forever refining our representation
of the real world in a digital format. It has imprecision and this is
the scale where it becomes really obvious, 13m or less.

I am suggesting as a next step, we get a TMS layer that represents
this OLC grid and easily displays the 4, 6, 8, or 10 digit long OLC
for the grind square depending on scale.

Then about 5 of our tools "support" it already  because they support TMS layers.

I deal with these things at large scale and at the individual door
level, we all do who are concerned about this issue, so some tools to
help us visualize at scale and quantity these OLC codes will help a
lot. Plus the easy to solve case of "looking up" an OLC code is
already being added by folks like OSMAnd and OSM if they merge in the
existing pull request. I put in issues with two tools that I would
like to see support them, the HOT Tasking Manager and Fieldpapers.
Having OLC grid layer available in those tools would be very helpful,
especially Fieldpapers. A TMS end point would close the one for the
Tasking Manager.

Searching in OAM by OLC might be nice too, very easy to specify the
place and scale with one code.

As I said below, lets get these OLC codes that are in OSM now out, if
they are even still in there.  Vao, myself and whoever else is
interested in being able to use OLC to some degree in the eco system
of the OSM software community tools will figure out what makes sense
and what people want to do and we will go forward from there :)

I think TMS layer, whomever, however, or plug in for josm as polyglot
said, are all great and would really help the folks who want to work
more with OLC to see what, if any use cases it solves.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Tom,

This is an example of the first way I and I think others in the
humanitarian world need to use OLCs to evaluate them for what they can
or can not solve for humanitarian and other use cases:

https://twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/status/1028689726088388609

We need to deal with them at scale, not at the "look up" an individual
address process which is trivial to solve.

That is really the first step, for folks to learn the grid and it's
inherent scale steps and how that translates into OLC codes of various
lengths.

Cheers,
blake



On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Tom Lee  wrote:
> I'm surprised to see that this conversation has made it past the weekend.
> Since it has, let me add my voice to those suggesting that encoding OLC in
> the database (or any other values that can be algorithmically derived from
> geometry) makes very little sense. I'm grateful to everyone who has already
> made this point, in various ways and with various levels of forcefulness.
>
> If the folks advocating for OLC would like to walk through the rationale
> some more or explore alternative ways of getting OLC into their workflow, I
> suspect that a number of people on this thread would be happy to talk
> through it, myself included. Please don't hesitate to email.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst
 wrote:
> Blake Girardot wrote:
>> Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this
>> point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF
>> and let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system
>> tools implement OLC native in code as it should be.
>
> That's done. Tom has coded it. Months ago. It's 20 lines of code (plus
> tests), which is a fraction of the bandwidth spent on this thread.
>
> https://github.com/tomhughes/openstreetmap-website/commit/2e0a2c67caf64df732f1e14160d5ead96c73a656
>
> Everyone in this thread appears to think that what Tom has done - i.e.
> implementing it in the osm.org client rather than in tags - is a good idea,
> apart from Simon, and even Homer nods sometimes.
>
> Tom, understandably, doesn't want to push it live without consensus that
> it's a good thing
> (https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1818#issuecomment-380695939).
> I reckon this thread is consensus enough and I'm sure Simon can indulge us
> on this one little thing if we promise to uncockup some editor presets in
> return. :)
>
> Richard
>

Thank you Richard, I did come in late. Some of the really insulting
comments on that github thread caught my eye and I didn't read back to
understand the issue fully.

As I said, we'll look at all of this and put a wiki page together.

Getting that pull request merged would be a great first step in
helping the folks who this matters to explore the use of plus codes.

I see the goolge manager commented on it. And while he makes some
suggestions, I would rather see exactly what the PR has now be merged
and we can go from there.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

>
> I think it will work like this - a dispatcher at an ambulance service says
> during a call: "We will not go to your house unless you provide the
> plus-code. Bot the Google Maps and OpenStreetMap websites allow to generate
> the plus-code for a house." I mean it will not work without a leadership.
>
> The OLC is Open Source with the Apache 2.0 license. I have a doubt though, -
> cannot Google in couple of years say: "We change the license and not one has
> to pay for the OLC usage?" I am not a lawyer and I do not know such
> subtleties.

They can't change the license to the code released now. Download it,
it is yours to use in accordance with the license it was released
under forever.

If they enhance it later, add new code, rewrite it, etc, that can be
under a different license.

But what works right now (or until a license change) will keep working
assuming you have the hardware and software to run it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
> While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems
> (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any
> traction outside of people in countries with established addressing
> systems trying to push them as solutions for countries without.
>
> As I've pointed out before, if OSM supports a specific system, it
> amounts to us picking a winner , and I really don't think that is a good
> idea. w3w wants to make money from royalties, google wants to avoid
> paying them. Both have a financial interest in us adopting their
> systems. IMHO when one eventually "wins" we can start supporting it
> then, before one of them pasts the post, it is premature.
>
> Simon

Hi Simon, what should "win" is the system that works the best. w3w has
been tried, is being tried, we can try that too, but what should win
is what is open, is fit for the purpose, can and will be used and is
non propitiatory.

Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both,
but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a
lot of momentum behind it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Frederick,

I appreciate the thoughtful reply.

I think for the most part we all agree on the technology solution
really looking like the best option. But it is the best option in the
medium and long term.

In the short term, putting a few thousand plus-codes in as addresses,
while the local community tries them out. Who know if they work for
local folks, but just jamming a few thousand in will allow all the
stake holders to trial these codes. Print maps, put signs on
buildings, communicate with each other using them.

While that goes on, the other technological support can happen if
people wish to do that or maybe we find some funding to add support to
some of the most popular community apps and the nominatum.

But we will still be learning from the small scale tag based trials.

Learning the real world use cases and where the proper technological
solutions work and if there really genuinely are places where dynamic
generation is just not possible.

This seems totally in line with things done in the past and should
work well here.

I am fairly sure I know the local on the ground community that might
like to explore this. The Mugumu Safe House
http://www.tanzdevtrust.org/portfolio-item/mugumu-safe-house-for-girls/
who have to perform rescues. They are first responders to gender based
sexual violence and might be just the sort of organization that would
like to start using plus-codes, and they are local and understand the
local culture and customs better than any other living group of
people.

So, lets take this all down a degree and Vao and whomever else is
interested and formalize the testing of plus codes in a rural tanzania
setting.

But lets leave the address that are imported, they are hurting nothing
at the moment and we should look at them and review them and learn
from them being there now.

Respectfully
blake



On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Blake,
>
> On 10.08.2018 19:23, Blake Girardot wrote:
>> I think an approach based on local buy-in, with a small scale test of
>> adding the PlusCode address to the objects is the fastest, OSM'ish way
>> forward.
>
> Christoph was a bit harsh in his response but I think he is right on teh
> fundamentals, and I urge you to reconsider.
>
> As I have explained in another post just a few minutes ago, taking the
> "adding tags to OSM" approach is a cynical form of aid - it makes people
> using it depend on your aid. It wastes effort with those adding the
> data, it wastes storage space in OSM, it has *nothing*, absolutely
> nothing going for it.
>
> The sensible approach is to add the logic that converts plus codes to
> locations and vice versa to those places where people interface with the
> map - be that the osm.org web site, or the offline application they're
> using, or the machine that prints a map. It would not be difficult to
> modify e.g. the humanitarian map style to print plus codes onto
> buildings, computing them on the fly, if that's desired. Doing this
> means you develop it once and it is immediately usable everywhere by
> everyone. That is the only sensible approach. Otherwise you'll be stuck
> running one project after the other ("add plus codes for X community",
> "add plus codes for Y community", etc.), and not only that: The generic
> approach will automatically work for everything built in the future. It
> can be used to address not only houses but wells, mountains, bays, even
> trees. It is better in *every* respect.
>
> We must let reason prevail here and not do something on a whim based on
> a misunderstanding of how things work.
>
> It is sad that it has come to a point where some people seem to have
> already built "projects" around importing plus codes in a way that
> everyone here would have told them is the least useful of all, had they
> botehred to ask! Let us stop the madness before it spreads further, and
> work on doing it right.
>
> Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

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On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with
> a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and
> data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in
> substance that have been voiced this should be universally rejected if
> for no other reason then because it would make OSM the laughing stock
> of the whole geodata world.

Ok, enough of your overly polite, gentle feedback stuff, tell us how
you really feel :)

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Vao Matua  wrote:
> The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses for 17
> million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample village (1800
> points) as a test.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59213224
>
> The Python code on Github works great to calculate Plus Codes.
>
> We did used these tags:
> addr:pluscode:full  (the 8+2 digit full Plus Code)
> addr:pluscode:area (the first 4 digits of the full Plus Code which is a 1
> degree by 1 degree lat long area)
> addr:pluscode:local (the second 4 digits + last 2 digits which used with a
> local name becomes the local address)
>

This is really cool to hear!

I am a big fan of OLC / Pluse Codes

I passed this thread on to the folks at Google Zurich who created it
originally, not sure if they still work there or not, we last chatted
in 2016, but I am sure they will be glad to stop in and answer
questions if I can raise them.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Learning to Use Machine Learning - A learn along for folks who want to be using ML in their work.

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Christoph,

Thank you very much adding that notice, I was sure someone would :)

There are also a tremendous about of use cases for these tools that do
not involve putting data in OSM.

But rest assure, myself and everyone I interact with know about the
guidelines and no one suggests ever not following them.

These are really the early efforts to "operationalize" or create
workflows for different use cases.

Those guidelines will always be the core of any workflow that puts
data in OSM I am quite sure.

Thank you for doing the responsible thing and reminding us all.

Cheers
Blake

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
>
> As a quick reminder to any mapper who wants to use algorithmically
> generated data as a source for mapping work:
>
> If you upload such data without manually verifying the individual
> features against local knowledge or suitable primary data you are doing
> a mechanical edit or import and must follow the rules we have for
> those:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> Practically this would for example be the case if - when being asked
> about the validity of your mapping by a fellow mapper - you'd be
> inclined to answer "I don't know, that's what the algorithm generated".
> You would then be in the mechanical edit/import domain.
>
> This is not a new topic, we have had this kind of problem in the past on
> several occasions, for example with use of automated tracing tools like
> scanaerial - which can be used both productively and responsibly for
> manual mapping as well as for doing bad quality mechanical
> edits/imports.  And in particular with algorithms advertised with the
> terms 'learning' and 'intelligence' implying human like capability and
> thereby a lack of need for human control and verification this is
> important to keep in mind.
>
> If you are not controlling the algorithm yourself but are being given
> pre-generated data by others for the purpose of uploading it to OSM -
> with or without manual verification - you are always doing an import
> and need to follow the guidelines.
>
> Side note:  It would be a responsible thing to include a reminder like
> what i wrote above with a message like the one i reply to here or in
> the welcome messages/FAQs etc. of dedicated communication channels.
>
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[OSM-talk] Learning to Use Machine Learning - A learn along for folks who want to be using ML in their work.

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Dear Friends,

In case you missed it, Dale Kunce tweeted this out yesterday:

The day of Machine Learning and OSM/Humanitarian mapping reckoning is
getting closer. Very excited for the possibilities these new methods
have for @hotosm @RedCross. Next frontier is making HOT and
@TheMissingMaps more valuable than just a training dataset for the
machines.

https://twitter.com/calimapnerd/status/1027275305440829440

Toward that end, I have been watching and in some cases working with
various ML tool chains over the past 2 years and really, not having a
lot of luck with my level of skill and knowledge. I am a pretty
advanced sysadmin, comfortable on the command line, but understanding
the terminology and installations has been a bit beyond me.

So if anyone is like me and sees all of these great tool chains and
would like to learn how to use them with your peers learning along
with you and hopefully some experts as well, I created a dedicated
#mlearning-basic channel on the OSM-US slack (
https://osmus-slack.herokuapp.com/ )

OSM-US runs a lovely, informative, lively, international slack with
many channels and everyone is welcome!

The #mlearning-basic channel is for the absolute beginner basics, how
to install and use the existing and emerging tools chains and OSM/OAM
data to generate usable vector data from Machine Learning quickly.

You are all invited to join, but it is very basic. Hopefully some of
the ML experts from the projects below will be in there to hand hold
us newbies through actually making use of what we are seeing more and
more everyday. Excellent tool chains exist, world changing tool
chains, now we just need to get them into the hands of the people who
need and want to use them everyday :)

Everyone is welcome and encouraged to join, it is intended to be kind
of a "learn-a-long". Our first project, my first project, is building
on the Anthropocene Labs work and doing the same area using MapBoxes
RobotSat tool chain using Danial's and Maning's posts as a guide.

For reference please see this incredible work the community has shared
in the past months, much like humanitarian mapping in general, the
projects you see below will start changing the world over the next 12
months. Apologies if I missed any other OSM ML public projects, please
reply and let us all know!

=

Anthropocene Labs @anthropoco

#Humanitarian #drone imgs of #Rohingya refugee camps + pretrained
model finetuned w @hotosm data. Not perfect maps but fast, small data
need, works w diff imgs. Thx @UNmigration @OpenAerialMap @geonanayi
@WeRobotics 4 #opendata & ideas! #cloudnative #geospatial
#deeplearning
https://twitter.com/anthropoco/status/1027268421442883584

=

This post follows Daniel’s guide for detecting buildings in drone
imagery in the Philippines. The goal of this exercise is for me to
understand the basics of the pipeline and find ways to use the tool in
identifying remote settlements from high resolution imagery (i.e
drones). I’m not aiming for pixel-perfect detection (i.e precise
geometry of the building). My main question is whether it can help
direct a human mapper focus on specific areas in the imagery to map in
OpenStreetMap.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/diary/44462

===

Recently at Mapbox we open sourced RoboSat our end-to-end pipeline for
feature extraction from aerial and satellite imagery. In the following
I will show you how to run the full RoboSat pipeline on your own
imagery using drone imagery from the OpenAerialMap project in the area
of Tanzania as an example.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/daniel-j-h/diary/44321

=

Skynet is our machine learning platform. It quickly scans vast
archives of satellite and drone imagery and delivers usable insights
to decisionmakers. Our partners use Skynet to reliably extract roads
and buildings from images that NASA, ESA, and private satellites and
drones record daily. The tool is remarkably versatile. We are
experimenting with using Skynet to detect electricity infrastructure,
locate schools, and evaluate crop performance.

https://developmentseed.org/projects/skynet/

=

Deep learning techniques, esp. Convolutional Neural Networks (CNNs),
are now widely studied for predictive analytics with remote sensing
images, which can be further applied in different domains for ground
object detection, population mapping, etc. These methods usually train
predicting models with the supervision of a large set of training
examples.

https://www.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/gis/deepvgi_en.html

===

OSMDeepOD - OpenStreetMap (OSM) and Machine Learning (Deep Learning)
based Object Detection from Aerial Imagery (Formerly also known as
"OSM-Crosswalk-Detection"). http://www.hsr.ch/geometalab

https://github.com/geometalab/OSMDeepOD


==

Re: [OSM-talk] Seeking local, active mappers in Sweden

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi althio,

I knew I must be missing something as it did not seem possible.

Thank you very much, I think I am all set now. Still happy to hear
from anyone as part of osm-sweden if you are interested in supporting
the request we have, but I will use those resources althio provided,
to reach out further.

Respectfully,
blake


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:34 PM, althio  wrote:
> Blake,
>
> There is a mailing list and some others means:
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-se
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Sweden#Samarbete_.26_informationhttps://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=4
> #OSM.se on irc.oftc.net
> http://openstreetmap.se
> https://twitter.com/openstreetmapse
>
> and even a tasking manager instance http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Ben - althio
>
> On 23 July 2018 at 12:18, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM
>  wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I did not see a local Sweden talk email list, so my apologies for the
>> email to this list.
>>
>> HOT was contacted about mapping to support fire fighters working in
>> Sweden on the current wildfires there and I would like to connect with
>> active local OSM mappers in Sweden to see if they are interested in
>> mapping to support that request.
>>
>> Please contact me off list and we can discuss how best to proceed if
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> Or pointers to where best to contact mappers local to Sweden would be
>> most appreciated too.
>>
>> I do use tools like "Who's Around Me" and "Who Did It" as well to help
>> identify local, active folks, but wanted to try and reach out to the
>> community first as contacting individuals is not always the most
>> productive way :)
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Blake
>>
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[OSM-talk] Seeking local, active mappers in Sweden

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Greetings,

I did not see a local Sweden talk email list, so my apologies for the
email to this list.

HOT was contacted about mapping to support fire fighters working in
Sweden on the current wildfires there and I would like to connect with
active local OSM mappers in Sweden to see if they are interested in
mapping to support that request.

Please contact me off list and we can discuss how best to proceed if
anyone is interested.

Or pointers to where best to contact mappers local to Sweden would be
most appreciated too.

I do use tools like "Who's Around Me" and "Who Did It" as well to help
identify local, active folks, but wanted to try and reach out to the
community first as contacting individuals is not always the most
productive way :)

Respectfully,
Blake

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Re: [Diversity-talk] [HOT] Diverse conferences need you!

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Rory,

Thank you very much for all your help with the CoC.

I was hoping we could put together another resource that is practical
advice for LGBTQ travellers.

You offered some good advice that I would never think of, empty your
phones of potentially problematic apps or content.

I read on the State Department one tip that said be wary of
entrampment type schemes with people trying to trick someone into
revealing info that would get them in trouble with the law.

I looked on a few gay travel websites, but most of their practical
advice consisted of saying know the local laws and check with the US
or other national foreign affairs office for their advice.

Could we somehow collaborate on a blog post that would offer some more
practical advice, all the helpful details and advice that can't really
go in the CoC but still would be helpful to folks.

Just a thought, if you think you would have time to contribute I can
make a shared google doc to just start the advice list or something.
But i do not have much to add besides stuff I can find spread around
the Internets, you seemed to have a lot of good advice I think would
be good to share.

regards,
blake

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Rory McCann  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An additional way to help out is on the FOSS4G github, where there are 2
> issues for the CoC & travel advice, where you can leave comments, and
> see the draft documents. Most of my suggestions have been taken on board.
>
> https://github.com/foss4g2018/foss4g2018/issues/65
> https://github.com/foss4g2018/foss4g2018/issues/64
>
>> all future events happening in countries with similar local laws to
>> Tanzania
>
> Can you please state in what (limited!) circumstances (parts of) the HOT
> CoC are optional, or run the risk that CoC opponents using any reason
> they want to have an event with a CoC with lots of "opt-outs", claiming
> "cultural differences".
>
> My suggestion: "No events where homosexuality is illegal if
> homosexuality/etc is legal in one part of the region for this event."
> (there might be other cases).
>
> Rory
>
> On 12/04/18 23:41, Rebecca Firth wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> The HOT and FOSS4G community have been working hard to develop the
>> conference Code of Conduct for the upcoming event in Tanzania
>> (http://2018.foss4g.org/). The goal is to ensure the conference is as
>> welcoming and safe as it can be, and maintain a commitment to diverse
>> and inclusive conferences. Part of this means hosting conferences in
>> countries where HOT works as an organisation and where there are strong
>> local OSM communities. However, this does raise important concerns about
>> safety and security for attendees. We hope a re-drafted CoC will help
>> all future events happening in countries with similar local laws to
>> Tanzania, to ensure they can protect the interests and security of
>> attendees as best as possible. SOTM Africa, future, SOTMs, etc etc..
>>
>> The Summit/FOSS4G Working Groups have a re-drafted policy and would love
>> feedback from an as-diverse-as-possible group. If you're keen to
>> support, please get in touch with Amelia and Rachel in copy, who will
>> send you a copy of the policy and gladly hear your feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [Talk-pe] Acari Earthquake

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi,

Here are the projects for those areas:

Incuyo https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4024
Quicacha https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4023
Huanuhuanu https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4022
Acari https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4021
Chala https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4019

Respectfully
blake

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Johnattan Rupire  wrote:
> Here the links to the geojason done by ovruni. These are the zones affected
> until the moment.
>
> Aquí los links a los geojason hechos por ovruni. estas son las zonas
> afectadas hasta el momento
>
> Matrix Telegram Bridge:
> ovruni (IRC):
> ftp://ftp.ourproject.org/pub/osmpe/data/huanuhuanu-polygon.geojson
> ftp://ftp.ourproject.org/pub/osmpe/data/quicacha-polygon.geojson
> ftp://ftp.ourproject.org/pub/osmpe/data/incuyo-polygon.geojson
>
> Seguimos en telegram
>
> El 14 de enero de 2018 12:01:34 PM GMT-05:00, Omar Vega Ramos
>  escribió:
>>
>> Hola a todos
>>
>> Dos de las zonas más afectadas son Acarí y Chala. En este momento estoy
>> identificando nombres de calles, centros de salud y colegios para mapear
>> en estas zonas.
>>
>> Estaré conectado en el canal #osm-pe de irc.oftc.net (osmPe de telegram
>> esta integrado) para cualquier coordinación.
>>
>> Saludos
>>
>>
>> english:
>>
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> Two of the most affected areas are Acarí and Chala. At this moment I am
>> identifying names of streets, health centers and schools to map in these
>> areas.
>>
>> I will be connected to channel #osm-pe from irc.oftc.net (osmPe from
>> telegram is integrated) for any coordination.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> El 14/01/18 a las 11:06, russell.deff...@hotosm.org escribió:
>>>
>>>  Greetings,
>>>
>>>  My name is Russell Deffner and I am one of the Disaster Mapping
>>> Coordinators
>>>  for HOT.  We are evaluating the Acari Earthquake and before we initiate
>>> any
>>>  remote mapping want to connect with local mappers to help determine if
>>> that
>>>  is necessary, and if so, where and what mapping would be the most
>>> beneficial
>>>  to response and recovery operations.
>>>
>>>  Please either reply directly to me, my colleague Blake (cc’d), or to our
>>>  Activation Working Group at activat...@hotosm.org
>>>    – we will stand by until we have better
>>>  information on what is needed.
>>>
>>>  Sincerely,
>>>
>>>  =Russ
>>>
>>>  (Google Translated Version)
>>>
>>>  Saludos,
>>>
>>>  Mi nombre es Russell Deffner y soy uno de los coordinadores de mapas de
>>>  desastres para HOT. Estamos evaluando el Terremoto Acari y antes de
>>> iniciar
>>>  cualquier mapeo remoto queremos conectarnos con los mapeadores locales
>>> para
>>>  ayudar a determinar si es necesario, y de ser así, dónde y qué mapeo
>>> sería
>>>  el más beneficioso para las operaciones de respuesta y recuperación.
>>>
>>>  Responda directamente a mí, a mi colega Blake (cc'd) oa nuestro Grupo de
>>>  trabajo de activación en activat...@hotosm.org - nos mantendremos
>>> atentos
>>>  hasta que tengamos mejor información sobre lo que se necesita.
>>>
>>>  Sinceramente,
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] GeoChat

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Ilya Zverev  wrote:

> Nice to hear somebody uses it :)
>
> Ilya

I love GeoChat, not so much the chat part, but the seeing other users
in the JOSM viewport "on the ground" part. I love that, it is like
exploring together.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Misrepresentation of OSM by HOT?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM
<blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Thanks again and I'll reply when there is something on our staging
> site for folks to look at.


Hi,

We have updated the text on the HOT Tasking Manager in light of the
suggestions from this email thread.

They will be deployed to our live instance later this week, but you
can review them here:

http://tasks-stage.hotosm.org/

http://tasks-stage.hotosm.org/about

http://tasks-stage.hotosm.org/learn

The details, in case they are not immediately obvious, can be seen in
our github repo:

https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/pull/874/files

Regards,
Blake


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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Greetings,

I SomeoneElse mentioned this in our HOT IRC channel.

I have already asked the project creator to take a look.

But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery
specified in the mapping projet?

For example, change set 53330616, the first one i randomly looked at
from you list looks like bad editing until you use the 2016 imagery,
please see the linked to two images below, one with Bing/DG Premium (they
look the same) and one with the imagery supplied with the project.

So, please let us not rush to revert if you are not using the
proper imagery.

As I said, I will or someone else from HOT will look into it further,
thank you very much for bringing it to our attention, as well as the
other issues you pointed out, which I have not had a chance to look at
yet.

https://screenpresso.com/=l5lhb (old bing)

https://screenpresso.com/=TPYpg (new aerial)

Regards,
Blake

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Safwat Halaby  wrote:
> There's a sudden influx of bad edits by different users related to
> Palestine HotOSM tasks. I don't know why. Perhaps it's a poorly-trained
> group?
>
> Incomplete list of relevant hotOSM tasks: 3441, 3447, 3759, 3768
>
> Incomplete List of bad changesets:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330583 (reverted)
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330562
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330596
> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/53330616
> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/53330636
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330694
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330695
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330707 (intersecting ways)
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330589
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53330728
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Re: [OSM-talk] Misrepresentation of OSM by HOT?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Christoph,

Thank you for the suggestions.

As the Project Manager for the Tasking Manager 3, I can say most of
them should be no problem all and look like they basically line up
with what we talked about internally to address the issues raised..

Hopefully we will have some changes out in the next week that
incorporate your suggestions, some of them are easy and quick to do,
some might not be, but I'll make sure they are a priority.

And to LearnOSM.

I am glad there is some confusion over who created and maintains it.

That content was mostly generated by HOT members as a project, and
HOT's Training Working Group has maintained and updated it and its
translations for years. Half of it is still in the original google
docs and we have been trying to convert it all to markdown for years
as well.

It is purposely not HOT branded as we consider it an OSM Community
focused resource. We have added some information about the Tasking
Manager and using the Tasking Manager, but I am glad to hear we kept
HOT out of it for the most part really and it put OSM forward, as is
our goal.

The HOT Training Working Group is always looking for more folks who
are interested in joining the working group and helping maintain
LearnOSM. Nick has been heading up LearnOSM and the HOT TWG for the
past 3 years I think and just recently stepped down.

Thanks again and I'll reply when there is something on our staging
site for folks to look at.

Cheers
blake

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Christoph Hormann <o...@imagico.de> wrote:
> On Monday 23 October 2017, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote:
>>
>> It clearly says the HOT Tasking Manager, which it is. We were asked
>> to change it from OSM Tasking Manager because people felt that was
>> misrepresenting, it was not the OSM Tasking manager, it was HOT's
>> Tasking Manager, so I changed that in TM v2.
>
> As i said in the previous discussion about this the name "OSM Tasking
> manager" to me seems perfectly fine as a name for the tool in general.
>
> My critique here is about this instance of the tool running as a public
> service and containing the tasks of the HOT project.
>
> I have no specific suggestion about the heading/catchphrase but there
> were already a few ideas mentioned by others in what direction this
> could go.  Independent of that prominently linking to learnosm.org (or
> a different page explaining OSM and providing relevant links) on the
> starting page (like with a second button next to "Start Mapping") would
> be good.
>
> In addition i would suggest to add
>
> * links to openstreetmap.org (and OSM wiki, communication channels) from
> the About and Learn pages.
> * a disclaimer according to the trademark policy on the About page.
> * adding at least brief verbal credits to OSM - for example like
> Frederik cited from Missing Maps - to the starting page somewhere.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Misrepresentation of OSM by HOT?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> This is a honest question; I would really be interested in the, if I
> may, "American version" of what Christoph has written. One that does
> express how you're upset while at the same time *not* being "combative"
> and all those bad things you said about Christoph's post.
>
> Maybe then I can use that to express myself in a more internationally
> compatible way in the future ;)

Here is my American, collaborative version of the same issue:

Hi,

I see the new HOT Tasking Manager.

I feel like it does not clearly describe how it it used in the
OpenStreetMap community. It is just a tool for OSM mapping, it is not
the whole of OSM and I think people might be confused possibly.

It also seems like the OpenStreetMap project and community should be
linked to a little more so people can understand and have a path to
becoming good OSM Community folks.

Can we work on improving that in HOT's new Tasking Manager? I have
some ideas that are mostly wording changes or additions and hopefully
would be easy to add.

Cheers,
Blake

I promise you that will get the exact same results or better, as
accusations of misrepresenting OSM by HOT and making sure I know you
are upset or mad.

And have the benefit that everyone who can do something about it, will
be happy to help make it happen.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Misrepresentation of OSM by HOT?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Christoph,

We can not win if we do or if we do not :)

It clearly says the HOT Tasking Manager, which it is. We were asked to
change it from OSM Tasking Manager because people felt that was
misrepresenting, it was not the OSM Tasking manager, it was HOT's
Tasking Manager, so I changed that in TM v2.

And the major emphasis on "OpenStreetMap Collaborative Mapping" is
exactly because people also said we did not put OpenStreetMap
prominently enough. Now it is the biggest thing on the page and that
is not right either :)

It doesn't say "HOT Collaborative Mapping" because people are not HOT
mapping, they are OSM mapping.

But, I think we are happy to change that title on that page to
something else if the community feels it is somehow misrepresenting
something.

Respectfully,
blake


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
>
> I recently turned up on the HOT tasking manager page
> (http://tasks.hotosm.org/) and found the page is now presenting itself
> tautologically as an "OpenStreetMap Collaborative Mapping" portal with
> no indication except for the small logo on top that this is a separate
> project with no official character.  At the same time it seems (at a
> first glance) there is not a single link on the site to OpenStreetMap.
> To the visitor unfamiliar with OSM this is quite likely to generate the
> impression that this is OSM and that contributing to "OpenStreetMap
> Collaborative Mapping" always happens via HOT tasks.
>
> In my eyes this is a fairly clear misrepresentation of OpenStreetMap not
> covered by the trademark policy we now have.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Mappy McDataFace is a serious suggestion, please include it in any
official lists of proposals.

Cheers
Blake

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com :)
>
> These names were proposed
> woq   2
> wdoqs
> woqs
> q936
>
> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according
> to Legal
> wosm  2
> wikosm
> wdosm
> wikidosm
>
> (P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>>
>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>> woq.com :)
>>
>> These names were proposed
>> woq   2
>> wdoqs
>> wdosm
>> woqs
>> q936
>>
>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>> according to Legal
>> wosm  2
>> wikosm
>> wikidosm
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
>>> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
>>> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>>>
>>> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
>>> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against misuse,
>>> they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole community. I gave
>>> the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that would be really
>>> painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant tech corp.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
>>> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF has
>>> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
>>> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to legalize
>>> such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the first
>>> time.
>>>
>>> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
>>> it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying
>>> OSM.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>>>
>>> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
>>> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>>>  a écrit :

 Hi,

 How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

 I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
 a protected mark, not sure about osm.

 But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
 with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

 Cheers
 blake

 On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
  wrote:
>
>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
>  * wikosm
>  * wikidosm
>
>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
> good
>  to reflect that in the name.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and
> caching...
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yves  wrote:
> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
> Yves
>

I agree 100%

Respectfully,
blake


> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>>
>> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
>> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>>
>> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
>> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>>
>> Cheers
>> blake
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>>>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>>
>>>  * wikosm
>>>  * wikidosm
>>>
>>>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>>>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
>>> good
>>>  to reflect that in the name.
>>>
>>>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>>
>>>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Simon, Kathleen, all,

Is there any concern that the specific exemptions for cc-by 4 and some
extent 2/3, which specifically mention the attribution method and URL,
license and version number, will cause an issue should the means of
OSM attribution or the license change (even a version number bump) in
the future?

I fear that as written, any changes to any of the above would make
these exemptions non-valid anymore and data contributed under them
could potentially be candidates for removal.

The generic waiver seems better.

It is not clear to me why there are different versions either if the
generic waiver applies to the same cc-* licenses as the two version
specific references.

Cheers
Blake



On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
> Sorry this took so long, I've added suggested wording here
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Waiver_and_Permission_Templates
>
> Thanks again to Kathleen Lu for drafting this.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 23:47 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> The LWG has 3 US based legal professionals on it, no need for me to
> climb out on a limb :-). I'll ask for an opinion internally and get back
> to you.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 23:23 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM:
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
> Blake where is the imagery provider in question based?
>
> United States
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 22:01 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM:
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
> In any case, getting permission to distribute on ODbL terms only would
> seem to be suboptimal and endangers any contributions based on so
> licensed material as any license change, even in name only, would cause
> issues that require going back to the licensor.
>
> Simon, can you give an example of language you think would be best for this?
>
> Something like:
>
> "Specific permission is granted to use this imagery for digitizing
> data into OpenStreetMap and the resulting OpenStreetMap data to be be
> released under the OSM project's license of choice."
>
> Is that what you have in mind?
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
> Sorry this took so long, I've added suggested wording here
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Waiver_and_Permission_Templates
>
> Thanks again to Kathleen Lu for drafting this.
>
> Simon

Thank you very much Simon and Kathleen!

Cheers
Blake


>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 23:47 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> The LWG has 3 US based legal professionals on it, no need for me to
> climb out on a limb :-). I'll ask for an opinion internally and get back
> to you.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 23:23 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM:
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
> Blake where is the imagery provider in question based?
>
> United States
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 22:01 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM:
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
> In any case, getting permission to distribute on ODbL terms only would
> seem to be suboptimal and endangers any contributions based on so
> licensed material as any license change, even in name only, would cause
> issues that require going back to the licensor.
>
> Simon, can you give an example of language you think would be best for this?
>
> Something like:
>
> "Specific permission is granted to use this imagery for digitizing
> data into OpenStreetMap and the resulting OpenStreetMap data to be be
> released under the OSM project's license of choice."
>
> Is that what you have in mind?
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Export Tool Community Chat | 30th March

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi,

I can't speak for Mhairi, but HOT's slack channel is open, retains a record
of the conversation, and while this specific discussion is time boxed,
discussion takes place continually among the interested parties and
developers asynchronously.

An email list is not the same as a real time text chat, Q and A, which is
what this is.

Cheers,
blake




On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Dave F  wrote:

> Is there a reason it's not discussed here? A forum with a record of what's
> said & not time restricted.
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> On 29/03/2017 04:07, Mhairi O'Hara wrote:
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> Just a reminder that the Export Tool
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Christoph Hormann <chris_horm...@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Saturday 21 January 2017, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote:
>> > However care should be taken that the mapper is in a solid
>> > situation when using the data independent of the question if
>> > his/her work actually makes it into the main OSM database.  In the
>> > past this has often been a problem with specific permissions for
>> > restricted access data.  License terms or terms of use of a service
>> > should not require mappers to take additional legal risks.
>>
>> I do not understand what you saying here. Could you explain this a
>> bit more please?
>
> In the past there have been some pretty hairy license terms used on
> propriatary images that were offered for use for mapping in OSM by
> their owners - in particular i was thinking about:
>
> http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/airbus-ds/Web%20Licence%20for%20Non-Commercial%20Use%20with%20OSM.pdf
>
> Significant parts of such terms are likely not really enforcable anyway
> but if they were this would have quite significant implications on the
> mapper using such images and possibly even on the OSM data user - in
> this case think for example about offline use of the imagery (would
> clash with the internet user concept) or use of OSM data in production
> of terrain models (would clash with the exclusion of those from
> derivative works).
>
> If the image owner wants to license it under CC-BY-NC anyway independent
> of OSM, a workable approach could be to waive rights on digitized data
> (as Simon suggested) and waive the NC clause for activities that are
> related to the process of digitizing data for use in OSM.
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Very helpful, thank you very much for the follow up example and explanation!

Best wishes,
blake

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
> Blake where is the imagery provider in question based?
>

United States

Cheers
blake


> Simon
>
>
> Am 23.01.2017 um 22:01 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM:
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>>> In any case, getting permission to distribute on ODbL terms only would
>>> seem to be suboptimal and endangers any contributions based on so
>>> licensed material as any license change, even in name only, would cause
>>> issues that require going back to the licensor.
>>>
>> Simon, can you give an example of language you think would be best for this?
>>
>> Something like:
>>
>> "Specific permission is granted to use this imagery for digitizing
>> data into OpenStreetMap and the resulting OpenStreetMap data to be be
>> released under the OSM project's license of choice."
>>
>> Is that what you have in mind?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>

> In any case, getting permission to distribute on ODbL terms only would
> seem to be suboptimal and endangers any contributions based on so
> licensed material as any license change, even in name only, would cause
> issues that require going back to the licensor.
>

Simon, can you give an example of language you think would be best for this?

Something like:

"Specific permission is granted to use this imagery for digitizing
data into OpenStreetMap and the resulting OpenStreetMap data to be be
released under the OSM project's license of choice."

Is that what you have in mind?

Cheers,
Blake





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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> However care should be taken that the mapper is in a solid situation
> when using the data independent of the question if his/her work
> actually makes it into the main OSM database.  In the past this has
> often been a problem with specific permissions for restricted access
> data.  License terms or terms of use of a service should not require
> mappers to take additional legal risks.

I do not understand what you saying here. Could you explain this a bit
more please?

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[OSM-legal-talk] Imagery CC-BY-NC 4.0 + OSM Specific allowance

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Greetings,

We are working with an imagery provider who is going to release some
of their imagery under cc-by-nc 4.0, and with a specific allowance for
it to be used for digitizing into OSM.

Their main goal as I understand it, is to make sure their imagery is
cc-by-nc 4.0, but they are fine if it is digitized into OSM, knowing
full well the digitized data is released under ODbL 1.0 and
understanding how OSM provides attribution.

Does anyone see any problem with this, or have specific suggestions to
make sure their OSM specific allowance is clear enough?

Cheers
blake

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