[OSM-talk] Congratulations everyone!

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Today the OpenStreetMap project won the Award for Projects of Social
Benefit from the Free Software Foundation. This was awarded at LibrePlanet.

Way to go everyone who has ever contributed to OSM!

Read more from the FSF here:
https://www.fsf.org/news/openstreetmap-and-deborah-nicholson-win-2018-fsf-awards

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[OSM-talk] General OSM Talk

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I'm giving a general talk on OSM at LibrePlanet
 in a couple weeks.

It has been about a year since I've given one of these talks. Is there
anything new that you think is especially important or interesting I
should be sure to not miss?

(Also anything old that I should miss is also welcome)

Thanks!

-Kate

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[Talk-us] Talks and Scholarship Submissions Extended SOTM-US

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

We've extended the call for participation and scholarships until July 14th
for SOTM-US.

http://2018.stateofthemap.us/

State of the Map US is an annual gathering of volunteers, mappers,
organizations and businesses who collaborate and work with OpenStreetMap.
This year we are getting together in Detroit on October 5th until the 7th.

Scholarships are intended for anyone who might not otherwise be able to
attend. So if you are thinking "wow, I'd love to go to SOTM-US, but I don't
see how I can afford it!" Then apply for a scholarship. You probably also
have something you want to share with the OSM-US community, so submit a
talk too!

If you have any questions or just want some help formulating a talk
proposal feel free to reach out directly to me.

Thanks!

-Kate
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Gender

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

The first discussion will take place Monday at 17:00 London time(1). This
will take place on the HOT Mumble server(2).

Thanks,

-Kate

(1)
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSM+and+Gender+First+Discussion=20180226T17=136=1
(2) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We are hosting an online discussion about Gender and OSM. See details in
> my diary note as well as the doodle for scheduling. Add your availability
> by Thursday of this week so that we can announce the times.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Heather%20Leson/diary/43345
>
> We will host a few conversations on this topic. This is the first
> scheduled one. It will be hosted on mumble.
>
> Thanks
>
> Heather Leson and Kate Chapman
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
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Re: [OSM-talk] diversity-talk: No such list

[Kate Chapman]

I shut down the list because it was not being used and instead I was ending
up having to read a bunch of spam.

If someone wants to moderate and admin the list I'm sure it could be
brought back.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 19. Feb 2018, at 10:47, Rory McCann  wrote:
> >
> > Shame that it's gone. It's nice to be able to contact people in OSM who
> > are interested in diversity.
>
>
> yes, it’s a shame.
>
> Btw, the archive is still there, but it isn’t linked from the listinfo
> page anymore because there’s no active list. Maybe there’s a way it can be
> linked anyway? After all, it is documentation about previous activities.
>
>
> Cheers,
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[Talk-us] Office Hours to Help with SotM-US Talk Submissions

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I'm holding office hours to help with SotM-US Talk Submissions(1).

The next one is tomorrow at 2pm Eastern/11am Pacific.

Join on Slack (https://osmus-slack.herokuapp.com/) or through Zoom (
https://zoom.us/j/469162782).

Let me know how I can help.

Thanks,

-Kate

(1)
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[OSM-talk] Field Papers Interface Improvements Survey

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Cadasta(1) is currently a mentoring organization for Outreachy(1). The
internship we are supporting is working to make improvements to Field
Papers, including improving the interface. Prior to making any changes to
the live Field Papers site we'd like to collect some feedback from the
community.

If you are interested in providing feedback please head on over to the demo
over here(3). There are some mock-ups, interface options and a survey
there. We would like to collect feedback in the next week so we can make a
decision and begin focusing on that design. Also if you have questions
please feel free to reach out.

Best,

-Kate

(1) http://cadasta.org/
(2) https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/
(3) http://fieldpapers-demo.cadasta.org/
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Kate Chapman]

Can you explain to me what a "rapid anti-OSMer" is? I can only assume that
is someone that prefers to use proprietary mapslikely a contributor to
Google Mapmaker. Anyone who takes the time to get a OSM user account,
contributes data, runs a mapping event or otherwise introduces people to
OSM can hardly be considered anti-OSM. I think sometimes Missing Maps and
HOT are singled out because it is easy to figure out what they are doing
since much of the conversation seen is in English. Plenty of communities
around the world have different views and ways of contributing to the
project. Those stories don't always come out though and those groups aren't
usually vocal on the osm-talk mailing list.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure you
> didn't intend for your statement to come across as it just did.
>
> While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and influence in HOT and
> MM, I do assume that the majority of the HOT and MM communities are not
> falling in to the trap of believing their own marketing copy and realize
> that they are a small minority in the larger OSM community and are
> dependent on the good will and support of the wider OSM community to make a
> difference.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 19.11.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Kate Chapman:
>
> Hi Christoph,
>
> The flaw with this logic is that people in HOT are not participating in
> the OSM community. Is the OSM community to remain static and "conventions"
> made years ago may never change? Do we not have the same goal of a free map
> of the entire world?
>
> -Kate
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Christoph Hormann <
> <chris_horm...@gmx.de>chris_horm...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 19 November 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> >
>> > #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
>> > #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek
>> >
>> > This is *not* useful.
>>
>> But to be fair this is not only the fault of the mappers but also of the
>> HOT project managers since they specifically instruct mappers to use
>> such changeset comments.
>>
>> Generally the HOT project mapping instructions contain a lot of things
>> that are questionable from the viewpoint of the OSM community.  IMO HOT
>> needs to make sure these comply with the OSM conventions, for example
>> by sourcing these instructions from the OSM wiki and allowing the OSM
>> community to provide input and fixes this way.
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.imagico.de/
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Christoph,

The flaw with this logic is that people in HOT are not participating in the
OSM community. Is the OSM community to remain static and "conventions" made
years ago may never change? Do we not have the same goal of a free map of
the entire world?

-Kate

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Christoph Hormann 
wrote:

> On Thursday 19 November 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> >
> > #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
> > #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek
> >
> > This is *not* useful.
>
> But to be fair this is not only the fault of the mappers but also of the
> HOT project managers since they specifically instruct mappers to use
> such changeset comments.
>
> Generally the HOT project mapping instructions contain a lot of things
> that are questionable from the viewpoint of the OSM community.  IMO HOT
> needs to make sure these comply with the OSM conventions, for example
> by sourcing these instructions from the OSM wiki and allowing the OSM
> community to provide input and fixes this way.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Christoph Hormann <chris_horm...@gmx.de>
wrote:

> On Thursday 19 November 2015, Kate Chapman wrote:
>
>
> And if on http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1300 i read:
>
> "Please draw one large area outline around groups of buildings and tag
> them landuse=residential"
>
> that is in violation of one of the core principles of OSM, namely to map
> reality, what's on the ground.  It instructs mappers to map something
> that does not exist in reality based on abstract geometric
> considerations and to give it a tag that is meant for something
> different.
>
> Referring to
>

 landuse=residential is a globally used tag, so you can hardly call out HOT
for using it.

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=residential#map



>
> > Do we not have the same goal of a free map of the entire world?
>
> if instructions like the above indeed describe the aims of HOT for
> mapping its vision of a free map of the entire world is indeed very
> different from mine.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frederik,

I fail to see how machine readable hashtags are "not useful". They allow
statistical analysis which can be used to inform future recruitment and
other activities. Often we make assumptions about OSM contributors not
backed by statistics this allows improvement in one corner of the OSM
community. Perhaps some human readable text would also be useful, but I
don't think of adding hashtag like comments as an issue.

-Kate

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>I would like to draw everyone's attention to a long-standing
> community recommendation:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments
>
> It explains why you should use sensible changeset comments that describe
> what you (think you) have been doing.
>
> I don't know exactly who encourages this, but I am seeing lots of
> changesets with comments like this:
>
> #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC) #100mapathons
> #OSMGeoWeek
>
> This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we don't evaluate
> these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream services that
> do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag (remember,
> changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number of tags).
>
> As a reader of the edit history of a place, I am interested in someone
> writing that they have traced buildings or drawn roads or done whatever.
> I'm not so much interested in (what I perceive as) vanity hashtags, they
> don't help me understand what the person did.
>
> I mean look at this:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=6/8.418/43.923
>
> It's really a caricature of what changeset comments were meant to be.
>
> Can it be fixed somehow, or have we permanently moved from changeset
> comments being aimed at your fellow human mappers to changeset comments
> being auto-generated for consumption by some software that makes sense
> of them?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Simon,

The groups releasing Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
American Geographical Society" are not large multi-million dollar US
organizations. None of them have highly paid in-house lawyers. Thank you
for pointing out the legislation, do you hangout on all of the other
country specific lists to point out legislation to people?

I was an active member of the community in 2009 and I'm unaware of any
specific discussions of this nature. There have been efforts to perform
outreach to high schools and scouts at least since that time. If something
was too sensitive to minute, then how is anyone supposed to know that is
the case?

-Kate







On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> Hi Kate
>
> The changes on Geobadges are naturally OK (in a way, more see below)  it
> just isn't backed up by measures on the OSMF side. Aka we don't do any age
> checking at all and I'm slightly concerned that addressing US youths and
> only having (whatever) enforcement for half of the equation is not such a
> good idea. I'm further slightly concerned that multi-million budget US
> based organisations, likely with dozens of highly paid in-house lawyers,
> need me to point out their local legislation to them.
>
> The more general, relevant for OSM, issue is that we should fix the
> problem properly where we can, given that sooner or later we wont be able
> to ignore it. And it seems that it is now "sooner".  Either arrange things
> that we are either exempt from getting consent from the parents, having a
> procedure in place for this to be documented or at least some measures in
> place that outline what the potential dangers are (doodling "my home" on
> the map has a different quality if a 60 year does it than a 10 year old) .
>
> To be clear: "I" don't want to exclude a 12 year old US resident that is
> interested in collecting  data in their neighbourhood from making surveying
> for OSM their hobby*, as a result I'm slightly unhappy with the above, but
> short term it is likely the only thing we can do.
>
> As to "people all over the world are encouraging teenagers": there are
> likely numerous other countries where their is similar legislation. it is
> simply that the US is a  well known case. The oldest discussions of this go
> back to at least 2009 (before I was an active member of the community).
> From the LWG side, if I'm not totally mistaken, the policy has always been
> to not specifically target children and youths. This may have been
> considered so sensitive that it was never minuted,, but the current and
> past board members that were involved are well aware of this.
>
> Simon
>
>
> * personal opinion as a parent is that I don't see a value in trying to
> get kids to spend even more time in from of a screen simply arm chairing,
> but going outside collecting stuff, great.
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Kate Chapman:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over the
> world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has been on
> going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged people under the
> age of 13. What is the issue?
>
> -Kate
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
>> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>>
>> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
>> 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
>> with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot- and
>> paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.
>>
>> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
>> problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would consider
>> completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
>> community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
>> identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
>> GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:
>>
>> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
>> the relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
>> Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
>> partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
>> achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
>> other di

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Simon,

What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over the
world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has been on
going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged people under the
age of 13. What is the issue?

-Kate

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>
> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
> 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
> with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot- and
> paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.
>
> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
> problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would consider
> completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>
> Hi Simon,
> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
> community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
> identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
> GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:
>
> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
> the relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
> Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
> partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
> achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
> other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
> Credly, visit credly.com .*
>
> *GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States.
> Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on
> the site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
> immediately at  geobad...@americangeo.org
> ."*
>
> 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
> marketed to under 13.
>
> Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,
>
>
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, *On
> Nature, *Empedocles
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>>
>> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related consequences
>> of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
>> American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
>> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>>
>> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
>> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
>> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
>> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
>> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>>
>> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
>> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
>> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
>> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>>
>> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>>
>> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
>> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G 
>> -- SEJ
>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] BurningMan 2015

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frederik,

This has been added ahead of time for years. It will be on the ground and
most people at Burning Man are unlikely to have internet connection, but
use applications with download OSM data. I see no reason this can't be
added this year the same as in the past by the US OSM community.

Thanks,

Kate

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 07/29/2015 07:07 PM, David Chiles wrote:
  In the past  Black Rock City was included in OpenStreetMap. Is the
  generated layout something that could be added?

 OpenStreetMap focuses on things that are on the ground, not things that
 were or will be on the ground.

 There are some exception to this, for example there are tags to map
 things that are planned but don't yet exist; this is not encouraged
 for widespread use but might be applicable to Burning Man.

 For maximum flexibility independent of OSM's old-fashioned adherence to
 physical realities, I'd suggest to set up your own instance of an OSM
 server together with editor(s) and rendering tool chain, which would
 enable you and anyone interested to make the most detailed Burning Man
 map ever, and even retain the full data base from every year, offer
 side-by-side rendering and whatnot.

 Bye
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using a WMS imagery with CC-BY4.0

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Ivan,

I would suggest getting in touch with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
Indonesia. They could probably help in facilitate of permission.

team...@hotosm.org is the best way to reach them.

Best,

-Kate

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks a lot for the answer Simon, really complete.

 Ivan.

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 In general the CC-by licences require downstream attribution that we
 can't provide for any sensible meaning of the word, so you will need
 specific permission in any case, the other part is that the 4.0 licences
 try to cater for sui generis databases and, IMHO-only, that comes out
 rather wrong.

 What complicates your specific case even more is that you will find a
 wide range of opinions on if tracing from imagery even creates a
 derivative work (which you need to square with national regulations and
 case law).

 The best action is to sidestep the above mentioned can of worms and try
 and get explicit permission, preferably with

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3
 (the first two letter templates are missing some key points IMHO and
 while simpler are probably not really enough).

 Note the letter would need some adaptation in your case since we are
 referring to data derived from the imagery, not the imagery itself.

 Simon

 Am 13.07.2015 um 12:54 schrieb Ivan Garcia:
  Hi Simon. Thanks for the answer.
 
  Just an extra quesiton, doesn't a CC-BY license already allows
  derivative work of any kind as long as the author is mentioned? Why
  would an extra permission for that be required?
 
  Best Regards.
  Ivan.
 
  On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
  mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
  Ivan
 
  The problem is that it is a legal can of worms. I would suggest
 simply
  asking for explicit permission, or at least formal confirmation that
  tracing from the imagery does not create a derivative work and that
 the
  government has no rights in such vectorized data.
 
  It is, as you may have seen from previous discussions, not clear if
 the
  CC 4.0 licences are compatible (with the exception of CC0 naturally)
  with the ODbL and this is likely not an issue that will be resolved
  short term.
 
  Simon
 
  Am 08.07.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Ivan Garcia:
   Hi everybody,
   the government of Indonesia recently opened a Open Data portal
   http://data.go.id/ offering some official WMS imagery under
 CC-BY 4.0
   license.
  
   Would that license be enought to be used under JOSM to trace ways
 and
   POIs for OSM?
  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey Results for the thread Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

Yes, I would be especially interested if the results were broken out by
gender. Currently I suspect you just showed that men think OSM is welcoming
to women...since there aren't that many in OSM to even take the survey.

-Kate

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 The issue raised by Frederik Ramm was, to paraphrase Ben Abelshausen, an
 interesting topic and certainly a lot of people wanted to contribute to the
 discussion. I was impressed by the positive tone taken by participants in
 the conversation. To me that bodes well for our community.

 Frederik raises important issue that the community felt the need to
 discuss. I wanted to get a snapshot of how people felt about the issue, not
 just the people on responding. A survey seemed like the best approach. The
 results are from a small, self selected group of mappers that subscribe to
 the talk mailing list. The results do not attempt to say what is the right
 answer, only what a small segment of the community feels towards the issue.
 Sixty-nine people did respond to the survey.

 OSM, especially OSMF, should consider conducting surveys to better
 understand mappers concerns. The third question, Is OpenStreetMap
 welcoming to women? should be overwhelmingly yes. Instead it appears that
 we don't know. I would like to see us get more data to help understand the
 problem so we get to 100% yes.

 Question 1: Do you agree with the statement *Whenever you give someone a
 map by remote mapping, you also take something away from them.*

 Answer Choices–
 Responses–
 –
 Strongly Agree
 4.35%
 3
 –
 Agree
 14.49%
 10
 –
 Disagree
 56.52%
 39
 –
 Strongly Disagree
 24.64%
 17
 Total69

 *80% disagree with the statement while 20% agree. *

 Question 2: *Do you agree or disagree with the statement Imports stunt
 community growth*.

 Answer Choices–
 Responses–
 –
 Strongly Disagree
 21.74%
 15
 –
 Disagree
 46.38%
 32
 –
 Agree
 24.64%
 17
 –
 Strongly Agree
 7.25%
 5
 Total69

 *68% disagree with the statement while 32% agree.*

 Question 3: *Is OpenStreetMap welcoming to women?*

 Answer Choices–
 Responses–
 –
 Yes
 42.03%
 29
 –
 No
 13.04%
 9
 –
 Not sure
 44.93%
 31
 Total69

 It would be interesting to get more data, especially if the results were
 broken out by gender.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

Simon,

Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are?

Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped data?
That we don't really believe in our own success?

-Kate

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 Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
 ...
 
  Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the project
  and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM contributors, not
  to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and perhaps
  contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has gotten
  an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community even
  though it’s only half of the story.
 ...


 I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of, but I
 really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps has
 never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think, even
 with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as anything
 else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in which
 the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think shifting
 the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

I'm unsure if we have a good way to compare, but most people introduced to
OSM generally don't stick with it. Are the Missing Maps attrition rates any
different than people who find out about OSM in other ways?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

  Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
 much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
 coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
 the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be.

 I tend to validate in HOT more than map these days and one comment I'd
 make is I've seen new mappers come into Nepal and later transfer into other
 HOT projects, their mapping skills are improving as well.  Once they get
 going with JOSM their productivity tends to go up so they're getting close
 to the 5% core.  Quite a number of projects have benefited from the Nepal
 newbies and whilst they might be new to OSM at least two are better than I
 at picking out details or knowing what to look for.  I think one comment
 was its much the same as their normal work when they were looking at the
 flooding in the UK.

 Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more
 generally but I don't know how it would work.  Locally OSM mappers have
 used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't get
 rendered for one reason or another when they were initially tagged.

 Cheerio John



 On 15 June 2015 at 15:39, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:


 Kate

 I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are,
 perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could
 easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an
 afternoon and so on.

 But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote part of
 MM was designed to address 'the Western core of OSM contributors'. His
 words, not mine, and clearly, from the first events on, that was not the
 case, regardless of definition.

 Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as
 much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality
 coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from
 the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be. I'm
 sure it is a big boon for the involved organisations in any case.

 Everybody can do more or less do what they please in OSM which naturally
 includes MM, but just so I don't have to like everything and I do
 reserve myself the right to call a spade a spade.

 To end on a positive note: the team from HOT working on the activations
 in the wake of the Nepal earthquake had to come to grips with the
 reality that using disasters as a newbie recruiting events is perhaps
 not such a good idea and after a considerable number of issues labelled
 a lot of the tasks explicitly for experienced mappers which is likely
 the way it should be.

 Simon


 Am 15.06.2015 um 17:33 schrieb Kate Chapman:
  Simon,
 
  Can you explain to me who the core OSM contributors are?
 
  Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped
  data? That we don't really believe in our own success?
 
  -Kate
 
  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
  mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick:
  ...
  
   Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the
 project
   and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM
 contributors, not
   to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and
 perhaps
   contribute to the project. As a result the remote component has
 gotten
   an outsized amount of attention within the greater OSM community
 even
   though it’s only half of the story.
  ...
 
 
  I had a long diatribe here as a response that I thought better of,
 but I
  really did want to point out that the remote part of missing maps
 has
  never addressed the core OSM contributors at all. I don't think,
 even
  with giving everybody a lot of slack, that it can be seen as
 anything
  else than a marketing activity of the involved organisations in
 which
  the net result is not of any real concern. And I don't think
 shifting
  the blame for the above to the journalists is in any way fair.
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:



 Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman:
 

 Further we have additional material in the early simulations that Matt
 Amos did that indicate that this is not unexpected given some
 assumptions about editor motivation.

 This sort of work has not really been updated recently however. The
community has grown and changed over the years. I think if we were to look
at motivations today vs. years ago they would likely be different. As OSM
is used on larger and larger platforms it is possible that people have
begun mapping to see their edits on Foursquare or Craigslist rather than
previously where people might be mapping to make their own map.


 I should point out that none of the above is in any way new, just
 conveniently ignored.


Not ignored, I'm just not sure it is solid enough evidence to justify for
or against imports worldwide.

-Kate





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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't
think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures,
geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point
to the TIGER import in the US. I don't think we can purely blame an import,
there is much more going on than simply there was data already there.

I'd love to see a broader, academically sound study of this.


On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 9:44 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Sometimes I wonder whether remote/armchair mapping has similar effects as
 imports to the growth of the local community.

 I think we have recognized that imports has a place in osm provided it
 follows community principles and guidelines. Maybe its time to discuss
 similar principles and guidelines to remote/armchair mapping?

 cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Russ,

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:

 Frederik Ramm writes:
   I think the tl;dr of both these postings could be: Whenever you give
   someone a map by remote mapping, you also take something away from
 them.

 Western aid has a bad history of mostly aiding westerners. The one
 simple trick for avoiding that is to ask the locals How can I help?

 And if the locals say We need a better map for where we live, then
 that addresses your concern.


 What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own map
but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free map
of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make a
map of the privileged. Should lack of access to internet and technology be
a reason someone can't contribute to this map?

I've worked with groups where we did on the ground mapping both through our
own digitizing or through that of others. Honestly in  most cases people
were happy to not have to trace every building themselves. They could then
simply put in the names/address information. Though we should think about
what types of features and how we do our tagging where culture/experience
can come in. For example what someone might think if as a track in their
experience may be a secondary road in others.

Frederik,

Diversity to me has never just been gender. Though it has been shown that
if you make a place welcoming to women it also makes it more inviting for
other underrepresented groups. Intersectional feminism is about equality
for everyone.

For those that missed it Kathleen Danielson gave an excellent talk about
some of these issues at SotM-US last week:
http://stateofthemap.us/improving-diversity-in-osm/

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Re: [Talk-us] CloudMade's ambassadors

[Kate Chapman]

Thanks for posting this. The first OSM person I ever met was Russ Nelson
when he was a CloudMade ambassador. It was at a mapping party in Baltimore,
that really is what sparked further involvement in OSM for me. Prior to
that I did a bit of mapping in my neighborhood. Thanks Russ!

-Kate

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:59 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 Creating that enthusiasm is a huge challenge (anyone remember
 CloudMade's ambassadors?)


 I do!  That's how I discovered OSM back in 2009.  Thank you Sarah Manley,
 where ever you are.

 SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

[Kate Chapman]

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote:


 It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of
 these two:

 (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web
 pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM
 (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda
 yadda)

 (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of
 humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the
 government hasn't done their job well.


Wow Frederik,

In your post related to one of your pet-peeves about the US OSM community
you managed to stumble across one of MY PET PEEVES!

Honestly I have a hard time with people who spend a lot of time on the
country specific mailing lists telling people that live, are from or often
travel to a specific country or area what OSM is to them. If I'm correct
you have never lived in the US, you have never spent significant time in
the US, you have no plans to move to the US or any other particular
interest, right? So why do you come over to talk-US and tell the people
that do all of those things what OSM should be to them?

If we want a free map of the entire world we should all be free to make our
own meaning out of OpenStreetMap. That is of course within the boundaries
of the license.

Signed,

Someone who has mapped her neighborhood by hand, imported data and traveled
to places of humanitarian crisis all with OSM.  Additionally I live and am
from the US.

-Kate

P.S. Specific to the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team and your suggestion
that it is mostly people from the US. That is simply not the case. HOT's
new current board is 7 people and only one is from the US. I also suspect
our contributors are more from a few countries in Europe than anywhere
else.




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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frederik,

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 04/04/2015 07:20 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
  I just don't want to be called a couch potato in the course of it ;-)

  Seriously, I believe Frederik was more referring to how OSM is viewed by
  third parties

 Indeed. I don't have much exposure to US Americans outside of OSM but in
 the few interactions like that I had, if people did have any conception
 about OSM it usually fell into one of the two categories I mentioned -
 either OSM the hacker project to re-purpose government data or OSM
 the humanitarian project.


I know we've gotten a bit off topic regarding the subject. My point is that
that OSM is going to work differently in different cultures. I understand
the need for legal compliance completely, but I also think people can
certainly do well thought out imports. The question of stale data in
imports? Honestly at this point that to me is more a matter of tools than
anything else. Are there ways to make it easier to update?

Japan and France spend a lot of time importing data. Do you spend as much
time over there telling them how their OSM culture should be?


 I always put it down to people in the USA traditionally having much
 freer access to data their government has collected (viz. TIGER) and
 therefore more likely to respond to hey, here's people finally making
 their own map with a shrug than with enthusiasm.


It is true, it is hard to excited about mapping roads for example when
there is okay data already existing.


 Creating that enthusiasm is a huge challenge (anyone remember
 CloudMade's ambassadors?) and in my opinion, every time someone says ah
 we don't have to map this and that, we can take that data from third
 party source, the enthusiasm dampens a bit. Because who wants to be
 seen doing something that might turn out not to be necessary?


The Cloudmade ambassador program was complicated. The people that had the
most success reaching the widest audience were people that came outside of
the OSM community. To me that might be an indication that US culture
developers less people that have the traditional OSM culture fit.

-Kate



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[OSM-talk] Official Launch of the Missing Maps Project Today

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Today the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team(HOT), American Red Cross, British
Red Cross and Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF UK) launch
the Missing Maps Project(1)(2). We are working together to map the most
vulnerable and poor areas in the world with the ethics of open, respectful
collaboration with importance placed on local access to the tools and data.
This is using methods focused on the use of OpenStreetMap for humanitarian
purposes that we have been developing over the past couple years.

I wanted to thank everyone in the OpenStreetMap community, really without
the huge growth in OpenStreetMap, the development of better and better
tools, and people coming together to help organize Missing Maps events this
would have never happened. It is an exciting day for the humanitarian side
of the project and I think the project as whole. For example the Guardian
is having a mapping event today to bring readers together to join Missing
Maps(3). For those interested in other links I've included quite a few at
the bottom(4)(5)(6).

If anyone is interested in contributing in some way for example hosting an
event please be in touch, we can get you started. Experienced OSM
contributors are what is really key to those sorts of things. If you just
want to map you can always join HOT on our Tasking Manager(7).

Thank you all,

-Kate



(1) http://www.missingmaps.org/
(2) http://tinyurl.com/kzazqm8
(3)
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/nov/06/-sp-missing-maps-baraka-democratic-republic-congo-drc

(4)
http://blogs.redcross.org.uk/emergencies/2014/11/missing-maps-save-lives-click-mouse/

(5)
http://www.msf.org.uk/article/missing-maps-launch-unprecedented-collaboration-gets-underway

(6) https://www.mapbox.com/blog/mapping-missing-maps/
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Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

[Kate Chapman]

Recently I attended the Google Summer of Code 10 Year Reunion. All the
events there were set-up well for those that wished to drink and those that
didn't. I think the significant things that I noticed that really helped
were the following:

1. Good non-alcoholic options for those that didn't drink, also the events
weren't at a bar. One was at the San Jose Tech Museum and the other was at
a hotel.
2. Different spaces for people. Just meaning for example the Saturday event
night had live music and board games. If the live music was too loud though
there were places to retreat to not in the main ballroom. Of course this
was held at a hotel so there were multiple room options. The board games in
this case were really a nice touch for those drinking and non-drinking
alike that maybe aren't that comfortable making small talk.

Of course this is Google having a big event, so cost wasn't an issue. I do
think there are lower cost ways to do this though. Especially if a
conference is held at a university. In Washington DC when I lived there we
had daytime events on the weekends that were usually a combination of
mapping and editing data. Usually at a coffee shop or at one point outside
at the zoo. Another option is offices, bookstores, coffeeshops,
hackerspaces, community centers, libraries or other places that can be used
for gatherings.

Sometimes I find it funny having moved back from a country were the
majority of the people didn't really drink (Indonesia) to the United
States. There were way better non-alcohlic drinks in Indonesia as you might
suspect. Though there isn't a reason not to have a couple options.

Best,

-Kate

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Richard,

 Yes, it's quite significant.

 There are many events, eg at SOTM-US where I've felt very
 uncomfortable both due to alcohol and noise.

 It's hard to find public places to hold social events that don't serve
 alcohol, though.

 While I do drink on occasion (once every 3-4 months), I often feel a
 bit uncomfortable with the alcohol culture of geek events in general.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Clifford,

Just a couple comments on your resolutions.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:


 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
 wrote:
 Two of the resolutions I'd like to see put to a debate and vote are 1)
 requiring the Board to conduct annual surveys of the membership and 2)
 develop an OSM vision. I am happy to help draft the resolutions but need
 help with the process.


I actually don't think it makes sense for the membership to approach things
by passing a bunch of resolutions requiring the board to do things. I think
certainly a drastic resolution like dismantling the entire board and
starting again is the type of resolution that would be something to come
from the membership.

Acting in the interest of the membership would be to conduct an annual
survey and develop a vision. Though really that would be something that
could happen as part of a fairly normal board strategic planning process.
I'd view this as being approached simply through the matter of the new
board finding common ground and better ways to approach the business of
running the OSMF. Meaning maybe a survey isn't the best way to determine
things, maybe there is another way. Rather than dictate the approach the
board should be tasked with doing what is in the best interest of the
organization. A part of this I would see as working with a facilitator and
others to educate board members in what generally it means from a legal and
operational standpoint to be on a board.

Best,

-Kate


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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Missing Maps article in New Scientist

[Kate Chapman]

Hi John,

I'm not sure if the article originally mentioned HOT when you read it, but
it does now. Missing Maps is an initiative HOT is involved in, so these are
the very same processes we've been using in various countries over the past
4 years. Typically using Field Papers and JOSM as well as GPS units.

The plan is certainly to work in multiple places.

Best,

-Kate



On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting what sort of smart phones / process are they using and can we
 get some to other areas?

 Thanks John

 On 24 October 2014 12:28, jc...@mail.com wrote:

 Hi

 This week's New Scientist magazine (no 2992) has an article about the
 Missing Maps project. You can read it in full on their website.


 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429924.100-slumdog-mapmakers-fill-in-the-urban-blanks.html?full=true

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your thoughts, I have a few questions/comments inline.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:



 There are two basic fixes. Make the board functional and give the board
 bandwidth.

 The board is too big. It grew for good reasons but now it’s just hard to
 achieve anything. Seven people mean that if everyone speaks for five
 minutes in a conversation on some issue, you use over half an hour. In an
 hour-long meeting that means you can barely discuss two things. Ignoring
 all the other issues, just the pure mechanics shows you how hard it is to
 talk through something let alone achieve a consensus. The board needs to be
 3 people. 5 at maximum.


I'd say the size of the board to me is not necessarily the issue. I do
think however having a board elected completely just from the OSMF
membership isn't the best approach. Those elected from OSM contributors (I
frequently have seen in the past people post people's OSM edits for board
elections) are not necessarily the best to be on a board. It does not allow
the flexibility to seek out board members with specialized skills. For
example most of the board would not claim to be experts in finance, or
legal matters. I certainly think election from part of the community is not
a bad thing, but perhaps it isn't the only way.


 Being on the board is a difficult job, especially as a volunteer. Most
 people aren’t used to such roles. They may think like I did that they need
 to please everybody all the time. They aren’t able to attend meetings
 because they have a day job and other life commitments. The board needs to
 meet in person regularly with a facilitator and also have guidance about
 what it means to be on a board. We can’t expect volunteers to naturally
 figure all this stuff out by themselves and then also devote the time to
 also achieve goals.


I completely agree regarding meeting in person and having a facilitator.
Would help lead to a more productive board. It is certainly impossible to
please everybody all the time, facilitators I've worked with in other
groups at least give the opportunity for more voices to be heard.



 The board needs paid staff. There are a variety of things those paid staff
 can do which the board can decide. It’s clear that there are things that
 volunteers don’t have fun doing and therefore they don’t happen at all, but
 are still very important for a functioning organization. Having paid staff
 isn’t about deprecating volunteer involvement, it’s about plugging the
 gaps. It’s not a perfect solution but the alternative is to rely on
 companies to do many of these things, and that really isn’t perfect either.


Yes, I think that paid staff can certainly help with some of the tasks.
Financing this is a different issue however. I used to work as paid staff
on an animal shelter for abused/neglected horses that had many volunteers
while attending uni. When there was 2 feet of snow in the middle of January
it was the paid staff usually out feeding the animals and shoveling the
manure. Volunteers were great for the fun tasks such as giving tours,
grooming horses and giving pony rides at fundraisers. We need to seriously
look at what the OSM equivalent is of shoveling manure and if it is
appropriate hire people to do it.



 In terms of the mechanics,

 1. Change the mission statement of OSM to be something like “The world’s
 best addressable map”

While I think addresses are important, I'm not sure this is really a
rallying cry. Having tools that make it easier to import addresses and
collect them will certainly assist with the usability of the map.


 2. The board figures out how to voluntarily shrink to 3-5 people, and,
 meets in person 2-4 times a year

3. Consulting with the community on exact roles and remit, hire 1-3 people
 [*]

This consultation process is important and I don't think one the community
can do on our own. There are plenty of groups that could assist, some of
which I've worked with directly before in other groups.

Regarding your [*] regarding funding I completely agree. If anything the
OSMF has turned away funding over the years, maybe not in as direct a way
as someone trying to hand them a check (though I could see that might have
happened) but communities with less impact on the world receive way more
funding easily than the OSMF currently does.

I do think at some point it would be good to speak at length about
funding often when discussing funding I feel there is not much knowledge
about the different ways that could be approached. Seeking funding for a
project such as OSM is not a new thing and there are many other groups we
could learn from. There are people that are willing to help if we simply
asked.

Best,

-Kate


 Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3
 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better,
 we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map
 ever again, 

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I felt I should speak up as the newest board member. I certainly think
there are things that OSMF could do to function better as well as the OSMF
Board. I think it can be difficult to move forward when everyone has very
strong feelings about the project, but they sometimes seem at odds with
each other. Often it can feel like the person with the most time at their
email box can simply wear everyone else down. I don't think OSM and the
OSMF are an exception to this though.

One issue is we really have no idea what the OSMF membership wants. We know
what some vocal people who write English well want. What a lot of
communities do to determine this is have a yearly community survey. Simply
voting for board members itself doesn't give any idea what people generally
want. For example last year I received the most votes in the board
election. Does that mean I have brand recognition, people liked my
manifesto or simply there were people that thought only men shouldn't be on
the OSMF board? We have no idea. A community survey is one way we could
start to get a better grip on the desires for the OSMF. Of course we still
would be bound to the opinions of only those that like to answer surveys.

Another difficulty is there is no board primer. When you join the OSMF
board you mostly just jump in. One of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
(HOT) board members began a board primer for HOT after they joined HOT's
board. This was to help with this very issue. Part of it is just helping
people to understand what it means to be on a board. How many people that
join the OSMF board have never served on any board at all?

Frederik's manifesto isn't really anything I can specifically disagree with
though I suspect if Frederik and I were to debate the items we will have
very different approaches to them. To me that is the major sticking point
generally within the OSMF. We don't have a great way to find common ground.
I hope this year we will have an in person meeting, not everyone is even in
agreement that meeting in person helps with cohesion. So you can see that
much work is to be done. It is difficult for me to read some statements
about problems in the board without feeling that they are jabs at other
board members without naming names. This is a sign of what we really need
is trust, not necessarily agreement, but trust.

While I haven't really done much in the past year, I hope that we can find
ways to be more effective. I think simply publicly saying there is a
problem is a good start.

Best,

-Kate

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I wonder why we're discussing here everything else but what Frederik
 mentioned in his manifesto and in this reply above.

 Richard voted that the board should stand down.
 I can't oversea the situation but I tend to give our colleages a
 second chance to fix things.
 I do that also knowing that OSMF is young with few members, many of
 them being also members in WGs.

 On 2014-10-21 15:47 GMT+02:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:
  ...
  In short, what I'd like to see is (a) more people joining OSMF, and (b)
  at least some these people actually following and commenting on what the
  board does, or doesn't do, in their name.

 To me, actions speak louder than words.
 So, I decided to join OSMF these days.
 And I propose to add the following to the board meeting agenda:
 * Setting up a clearer modus operandi of the board and working groups
 * Making the board meeting agenda publicly available
 * Advancing trademark policy
 * Setting up a plan to get more corporate members
 (actually, these points are just taken from Frederik's plea).

 Yours, S.

 2014-10-22 0:05 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch:
 

 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Maps article in The Guardian

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Ben,

Thanks for sharing this here. If you are interested in hosting your own
Missing Maps event we'd love to support. Having experienced OSM mappers
really is key for helping get new people started. Thanks to all the London
OSM people who have been assisting in the series of mapathons that have
already happened there!

Best,

-Kate

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Ben Pollinger benpollinger+...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello all,

 I spotted this yesterday:


 http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/06/missing-maps-human-genome-project-unmapped-cities

 It ends with: Guardian Cities will host a Missing Maps party next month
 to map an African city. Get involved: cit...@theguardian.com

 Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT Mapping thoughts

[Kate Chapman]

Hi John,

Low bandwidth could effect someone updating their data. Often though the
problem is the specific tools they are using. The update rates on many of
the applications that allow offline data can vary.

Thanks,

-Kate


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately it was a passing conversation at a local OSM meet up in
 Ottawa and I'm not even sure I'd recognise the young gentleman again.  I
 just thought I'd tag it as it seemed odd to me and if it was the case then
 perhaps something could be done.

 Probably with low bandwidth availability it could have been some one was
 using off line data?

 Cheerio John


 On 5 August 2014 15:54, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hi John,

 It might be helpful to know which tools the person was using. Perhaps it
 was one that wasn't updated very often.

 Best,

 -Kate


 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:03 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thank you for your input, that was roughly in line with my expectations
 but for some reason didn't seem to match the person's experience in the
 field, it could have been some time ago.

 Thanks John


 On 3 August 2014 12:40, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Hi John,

 In general, the tiles are updated to the minute. Looking at my edits
 this morning after a few minutes, tiles were refreshed both for the OSM and
 Humanitarian layers. I press F5 to refresh the screen and obtain the new
 tiles in the navigator.

 For OSMAnd, updates may vary. For major activations such as Ebola, we
 ask contributors to provide daily updates. For Ebola, see

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response#Offline_Navigation_on_Small_Devices
 For custom OSMAnd updates, see
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response#Custom_Android.2FOSMAnd_offline_file

 Pierre

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 I was talking to someone who worked with one of the Agencies that used
 the data in the field and he was saying how great it was.

 However he said that the map started to appear after three of four days
 which struck me as a little odd.

 I understood HOT starts very quickly within hours and since we have
 mappers around the world working odd hours there should be something
 happening very quickly in the database.

 However the rendering means that tiles have to get refreshed, data has
 to be packaged for OSMAND etc.

 Is there a way the tiles and packaging for HOT areas given priority and
 done more frequently or is this already being done?

 I also note that in Haiti a sensefly eBee UAV has been used to collect
 aerial imaging for OSM mapping.  I assume that the procedures have been
 worked out to use this device.  Could one of the partner agencies UN, or
 someone with a bit of cash, be approached to arrange for one to be part of
 the initial deployment when a new area to be HOT mapped is decided on?

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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT Mapping thoughts

[Kate Chapman]

Hi John,

It might be helpful to know which tools the person was using. Perhaps it
was one that wasn't updated very often.

Best,

-Kate


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:03 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for your input, that was roughly in line with my expectations
 but for some reason didn't seem to match the person's experience in the
 field, it could have been some time ago.

 Thanks John


 On 3 August 2014 12:40, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Hi John,

 In general, the tiles are updated to the minute. Looking at my edits this
 morning after a few minutes, tiles were refreshed both for the OSM and
 Humanitarian layers. I press F5 to refresh the screen and obtain the new
 tiles in the navigator.

 For OSMAnd, updates may vary. For major activations such as Ebola, we ask
 contributors to provide daily updates. For Ebola, see

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response#Offline_Navigation_on_Small_Devices
 For custom OSMAnd updates, see
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_Response#Custom_Android.2FOSMAnd_offline_file

 Pierre

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 *Objet :* [OSM-talk] HOT Mapping thoughts

 I was talking to someone who worked with one of the Agencies that used
 the data in the field and he was saying how great it was.

 However he said that the map started to appear after three of four days
 which struck me as a little odd.

 I understood HOT starts very quickly within hours and since we have
 mappers around the world working odd hours there should be something
 happening very quickly in the database.

 However the rendering means that tiles have to get refreshed, data has to
 be packaged for OSMAND etc.

 Is there a way the tiles and packaging for HOT areas given priority and
 done more frequently or is this already being done?

 I also note that in Haiti a sensefly eBee UAV has been used to collect
 aerial imaging for OSM mapping.  I assume that the procedures have been
 worked out to use this device.  Could one of the partner agencies UN, or
 someone with a bit of cash, be approached to arrange for one to be part of
 the initial deployment when a new area to be HOT mapped is decided on?

 Many Thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Paul,

I'm curious how HOT projects which are mentioned relate to this. What I
mean is we frequently train other non-governmental organizations (NGOs),
governments and universities in OSM. The proposed guidelines read to me
that people would have to declare that they were being paid to map. A
frequent scenario is we find a group that could benefit from OSM mapping,
for example a civil society group (CSO) and show them how OSM works. They
may then decide to incorporate it into one of their own projects. Some of
the CSOs have a mix of volunteers and staff, so would both types of
participants need to declare what they were doing?

Frequently people are more being paid to provide training than to map
directly in OSM. Is this another scenario?

Should HOT contractors/staff then declare that they are being paid to train
people in OSM? I don't think using separate accounts is a great idea for me
personally I would have no idea when I should use one account versus an
another. I would be perfectly happy to declare that I work for HOT on my
user page, which it already does(1).

Thanks,

-Kate

(1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wonderchook


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 We have more and more organizations and businesses mapping in OSM.
 Multiple organizations have been conducting paid editing in Europe and
 the US. This generally comes to light *after* complaints are made - with
 the company usually not identifying who they are, what their goals are,
 and what they want, beforehand. There have also been difficulties
 determining what has been mapped on behalf of an organization.

 We will likely see more of this type of editing in the future, and while
 not necessarily bad, there are differences between it and normal
 editing. Recent events in a project similar to OpenStreetMap - Wikipedia
 - have demonstrated that the participation of organizations in data
 editing can occasionally lead to misunderstandings or disharmony in the
 project, particularly where a lack of transparency is involved.

 For this reason the DWG is considering if it is necessary to issue
 guidelines for organizational editing. Some previous discussion is at
 http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-November/002344.html

 There are some activities we do not want to cover in the guidelines

 - Unorganized editing by employees, e.g. a shop owner adding their shop
   or nearby details to the map

 - Editors mapping in response to a contest or similar where the contest
   organizer does not have the power to require them to edit

 - Individuals who, on their own accord, decide to participate in an
   organised effort or challenge, like local mapping parties, Mapathons,
   HOT projects, etc

 Some possible guideline requirements could involve

 - Disclosing those who are directing them (e.g. employers or who they
   are contracting for) on the users page

 - Creating a wiki page with links to user pages of users mapping under
   an organization's direction

 - Requiring those working on broader projects to communicate and get
   feedback from the community before starting

 - Requiring disclosure of proprietary third-party sources used.
   Organizations may have data from third parties that they can legally
   use when contributing to OSM, but aren't able to directly show others
   the data

 - Maintaining separate accounts if doing both personal and organizational
   editing

 The extent of editing activities covered is something else that needs to
 be discussed.

 Some types of activities that *could* be covered are

 - Teachers requiring their students to edit OSM as part of a course

 - Consultants editing for multiple clients

 - Being required to edit as part of an employment relationship

 SEO spammers would be covered by this policy, but are not the target.
 They would ignore it, so we'll just end up using the existing tools
 of reverting and blocking.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Stefan,

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Kate

 2014-04-28 7:40 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com:

  I think there would need to be audio challenges.
  There are projects for helping make OSM accessible to people who are
 vision impaired, this includes information on the OSM wiki.


 I understand. But audio is a complete different technology and our project
 wanted to focus on visual clues.


Sorry I should have been more specific. I just meant that when/if it was
integrated into the various OSM tools it would be important to make sure an
audio tool was also available.

Thanks,

-Kate


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Re: [OSM-talk] ReMAPTCHA Demo BETA 0.2 online! (Was: Hate captchas!!!!)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Stefan,

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

  I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly
 be ADA compliant:
  How does a blind person pass?

 We could add audio challenges - but that's not needed since the context
 and target sites where ReMAPTCHA is designed for, are geospatial websites
 and graphic editors.


I think there would need to be audio challenges. There are projects for
helping make OSM accessible to people who are vision impaired, this
includes information on the OSM wiki.


 -S.



 2014-04-27 21:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:


 On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm worried about bots still having a very high chance of sucess. With
 two fairly-legible words in the image and a chalenge asking me to
 write either one of the words or both, a bot still has 33% chance of
 success if answering randomly, wich is high enough that bot authors
 won't even bother trying to smartly interpret the map.


 I think a bigger situation is that I don't see how this could possibly be
 ADA compliant:  How does a blind person pass?



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[Talk-cl] Ayuda despues del terremoto

[Kate Chapman]

Hola a toda la comunidad de OSM Chile,

Espero que todas sus familias estén seguras después del terremoto hoy.

Soy Kate Chapman, la jefa del HOT (Equipo Humanitario de OpensStreetMap).
Estamos encargados de coordinar la comunidad de OSM en las actividades
humanitarias y de apoyar a las organizaciones gubernamentales y
nogubernamentales en sus respuestas a los desastres naturales tal como
terremotos, inundaciones etc.

Contamos con una comunidad grande de cartógrafos y voluntarios que puede
ayudarles en trazar mapas de la zona afectada a traves de nuestro Task
Manager (gerente de tareas) y lista de envio.

Si podemos ayudarles de cualquier manera, por favor responder a esta lista
de envio y le contactaremos en seguida.

En solidaridad,
Kate Chapman


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Re: [OSM-talk] OKFestival in Berlin-- anyone proposing a session?

[Kate Chapman]

Hey Kathleen,

I didn't propose a session but I'm on the conference advisory board
and mentioned a few OSM speakers as possibilities. I certainly think
people should submit sessions.

Hopefully I'll see you there!

Best,

-Kate

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 I just ran across the Open Knowledge Festival, which is happening in Berlin,
 July 15-17. Are people planning to (or have you already) submitted
 OpenStreetMap sessions? I will probably be submitting a session proposal or
 two.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for Developers Presentation

[Kate Chapman]

Thanks all! I ended up given a brief explanation of what OSM is, the
data model, resources developers might be interested in and then
actually just showed people how to edit.

The majority of the time just ended up being QA regarding specific
ideas people had for projects.

Best,

-Kate



On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:43 AM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kate,
 I put together a little explanation of the rendering side of OSM a few years
 ago:
 http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik.
 It might be out of date now though!

 Graham.


 On 21 February 2014 18:38, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk
 wrote:


 Hello Kate,

 I gave this talk at a British Computer Society meeting last year:

 http://www.free-map.org.uk/~nick/OSM_0313.odp

 Not hugely in-depth but might be of some use.

 Nick

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 Date: 21/02/2014 08:00AM
 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM for Developers Presentation


 Hi All,

 I'm giving a talk this weekend at the Jakarta Python meet-up. I was
 wondering if anyone has a good Intro to OSM for Developers talk. I'm
 putting one together myself, but I'm looking to see what things others
 cover. Basically I want to give an overview of resources for
 developers, this isn't really a workshop just a 20 minute
 presentation.

 Thanks,

 -Kate

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Re: [OSM-talk] Summer of Code 2014

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Another thing to note is part of the application is our ideas page. So
to be accepted we need a great ideas page. Unfortunately the timeline
on this is short as the appliication is due on Friday.

It is especially helpful to mention ways they can contribute to
already existing OSM projects. Often we've had project that were brand
new and I'm not sure we really succeeding in bringing many students
into the community that way.

Best,

-Kate

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone!

 Kate and I are working on an application for OpenStreetMap to join the
 Summer of Code again in 2014. We've participated for several years, and I'm
 looking forward to a successful year.

 Should we be accepted, we'll need some great ideas to attract the best
 students. If you've got an idea for something that could be tackled by an
 undergraduate student in a few months during the Summer, please head over to
 the ideas page and add it:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2014/Project_Ideas

 Again, if you have great ideas, please add them so we can get great
 students.

 If you're near a university, I encourage you to recruit for us. Students
 will be paid to do great work, so track down your favorite students and
 remind them to apply when student applications open up later this year.

 Thanks! Feel free to send me an e-mail with questions,
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let
us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities.

How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting
some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in
the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't
have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist
us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course
would inquire here first if any such thing happened.

Thanks,

-Kate





On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
 maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:

 Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
 into
 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
 who
 are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops,
 and
 tutorials.


 Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
 demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
 location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA -
 I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.

 Here are a couple
 http://www.anymeeting.com/   (ad supported)
 https://www.meetingburner.com/  (ten participants free)

 ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid
 ones, which we could borrow for an hour?

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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our
trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then
we have other trainers around the trainees looking for problems and
providing help. There are also times we break into small groups. The
small groups can sometimes be limited by the lack of a way to show
everyone the instructors screen though. Typically we try to use two
projectors (I know a luxury) one shows the slides on the topic and the
other walks people through what to actual click.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
 On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:


 Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
 interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they
 have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture
 is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions.
 This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.

 Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few meetings
 here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has been the whole
 purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might actually encourage
 this. People actually seem to get braver when they're not putting their hand
 up in a roomful of people. Basically as the presenter is demonstrating
 something, questions appear in the group chat, and the presenter can address
 them when its convenient. It actually seems to work quite well. There are
 also options to send private messages by email which can be addressed in the
 QA session.

How do you think doing remote training where an in person connection
has already been made? For example if participants had taken part in a
one or two day beginner class, but then could remotely receive
follow-up training? Perhaps having the initial face to face would
help.

Best,

-Kate



 Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea around.

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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] SotM-PH This Weekend

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

We are going to start a bit late, in about 20 minutes. If you want to
join through Skype contract myself or Maning so we can add you to the
group.

Thanks,

-Kate

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 Thanks Maning

 could you give us instructions to connect ?


 Pierre

 
 De : maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 À : Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 Cc : osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org; hot h...@openstreetmap.org
 Envoyé le : Samedi 14 décembre 2013 18h08
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [talk-ph] SotM-PH This Weekend

 Dear all,

 We can be on Skype during the workshop.  Time:
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131215T10p1=145ah=2

 On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 wrote:
 Hi,

 Will there be a way to connect live to this workshop ? Mumble ? Skype ?

 Thanks,

 Jean-Guilhem


 Le 13/12/2013 06:50, Kate Chapman a écrit :
 Hi All,

 SotM-PH is this weekend(1) and on Sunday we are having a two hour
 workshop to discuss next steps regarding response and recovery for
 Yolanda. It would be great for the local and the international
 community to be able to connect. The workshop is from 10am-noon Manila
 time which is 2am-4am GMT unfortunately there isn't a good time for
 North American/Asia and Europe which is daytime for Asia, but if
 people can join us that will be great. I've created a hackpad where we
 can record what is discussed and those who can join in real-time can
 add some feedback ahead of time.

 Thanks,

 -Kate

 (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Events/sotm-ph-2013
 (2) https://hackpad.com/Next-Steps-for-Yolanda-HOTOSM-ph-lVnS3GQ5Fa9

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[talk-ph] SotM-PH This Weekend

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

SotM-PH is this weekend(1) and on Sunday we are having a two hour
workshop to discuss next steps regarding response and recovery for
Yolanda. It would be great for the local and the international
community to be able to connect. The workshop is from 10am-noon Manila
time which is 2am-4am GMT unfortunately there isn't a good time for
North American/Asia and Europe which is daytime for Asia, but if
people can join us that will be great. I've created a hackpad where we
can record what is discussed and those who can join in real-time can
add some feedback ahead of time.

Thanks,

-Kate

(1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Events/sotm-ph-2013
(2) https://hackpad.com/Next-Steps-for-Yolanda-HOTOSM-ph-lVnS3GQ5Fa9

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Re: [talk-ph] Mini-SOTM-PH 2013 on December 14

[Kate Chapman]

Hello Everyone,

I'm excited to meet all of you next weekend.

Would people be interested in discussing next steps related to Yolanda
recover? Maybe we could do a chat with some of the international
volunteers as well?

Thanks,

-Kate

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear everyone,

 Program is still in a state of flux but we are progressing.  Some updates:

 - we have participants and talks from the Humanitarian OSM Team,
 OSM-Indonesia and OSM-Japan!
 - Day 1 will be mostly talks and demos
 - Day 2 will be for worhsops and mapping

 If you have ideas for topics and workshops please in this thread our
 work on wiki yourself:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Events/sotm-ph-2013



 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:57 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear everyone,

 As we continue to support the crisismapping for Yolanda affected
 areas, let's have a break and meetup before the year ends!

 We (ESSC) is proposing a mini-SOTM-PH event on December 14, 2013 in
 our office.  So far, I have arranged a one day event but if you want
 it for two days, let us know.  Planning page here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Events/sotm-ph-2013

 Let's discuss in this list what you want to do on this day.  Sponsors
 welcome. :)

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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

(Kate from HOT, but I come to Australia at least once a year so I lurk on here)

I was going to suggest as another possibility a government sponsored
Mapathon. It could be a good way to get some new mappers interested
where having accurate transport routing is important to them
potentially outside of the traditional OpenStreetMap contributors.

Best,

-Kate



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would be great to participate in that convo.

 Have being doing a lot of HOT stuff with Haiyan, and that has generated a
 lot of possibilities for what I do during work hours (property industry) -
 custom tiles,  how quickly satellite data was acquired,  use of the task
 manager.

 While my work interests are more on land than routing, would be neat to see
 what can be useful to them.

 On 20/11/2013 4:40 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s
 using OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport
 journey planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

 One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not
 meeting highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight


 http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

 If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most
 appreciated.

 One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help
 OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
 * A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and
 integrates into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for
 mapping areas without imagery quickly from 120m
 * A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use
 OpenStreetMap
 * Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

 Are there any more ideas?

 It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work
 to good use in a public way.

 Alex

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 From: GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 Subject: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution
 Date: 20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 To: adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com

 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.

 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open
 Street Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship
 with the community on this front.


 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways,
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: digitalGlobe imagery - haiyan

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I am trying a couple avenues to obtain the imagery. I'll let you know what
I find out.

Thanks,

-Kate


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Forwarding to HOT list for possible contacts.

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Erwin Olario gov...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM
 Subject: [talk-ph] digitalGlobe imagery - haiyan
 To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org



 http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/2013/11/11/typhoonhaiyan/

 Press statement:

  *On Friday, devastation hit the Philippines. The massively destructive
 typhoon, Haiyan, turned into one of the strongest tropical cyclones ever
 recorded at landfall, with winds estimated at 195 mph, gusts up to 235 mph
 and a storm surge that rose up to 20 feet high. As with any natural
 disaster, rapid, comprehensive, unclassified satellite coverage can be an
 invaluable tool for responding to these major events.*

 *On November 07, 2013 at 7 pm EST, several hours before Typhoon Haiyan
 made landfall, DigitalGlobe activated FirstLook
 http://www.digitalglobe.com/products/insight/firstlook, an online
 subscription service for emergency managers and enterprise customers that
 provides fast, web-based access to pre- and post-event imagery of natural
 and manmade disasters. In the first few days, following the initial
 devastation, DigitalGlobe’s satellites collected and delivered over 19,000
 square kilometersof imagery in the hardest hit areas, including Tacloban
 City and the surrounding areas.  FirstLook’s frequent revisit times have
 enabled rapid delivery of quality imagery content during this time-critical
 event.*

 *Below is a chilling image chip, depicting the impact from typhoon Haiyan.*

 *WE NEED YOUR HELP – JOIN THE CROWD:The scale of the storm’s destruction
 has been massive. In addition to collecting imagery, we need volunteers to
 help us map the devastation. In support of such efforts, DigitalGlobe has
 activated a crowdsourcing campaign, open to anyone willing to help.*

 *http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/haiyantyphoon2013
 http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/haiyantyphoon2013*

 *For this campaign, we will be releasing the crowd produced results to the
 open source community. Contact DigitalGlobe’s Tomnod platform team at
 i...@tomnod.comi...@tomnod.com i...@tomnod.com if you are interested in
 receiving access to the Haiyan data.*

 *More resources from DigitalGlobe:*

 *For media: please use required attribution “Satellite image courtesy of
 DigitalGlobe” and copyright. See our usage
 policy http://www.digitalglobe.com/usage#usage-information
 http://www.digitalglobe.com/usage#usage-information.*

 *For geospatial professionals:here is the catalog ID
 https://browse.digitalglobe.com/imagefinder/showBrowseImage?catalogId=103001002841F600imageHeight=natresimageWidth=natres
  you
 can use to quickly access your area of interest.*

 *For U.S. government employees: Use your .gov or .mil address to obtain
 access to our high resolution satellite imagery via My DigitalGlobe
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pSr9XqhUe8, and NGA’s EnhancedView
 program.*

 *Download our complete FirstLook Report here
 http://www.slideshare.net/DigitalGlobe/ph-typhoon-haiyan2013nov11. *

  *This area on the west side of Cancabato Bay bore some of the heaviest
 brunt. Debris from the storm surge is seen in the lower left area. You can
 also make out a “Help Us” sign in front of the Redemptorist Church*

 See also DigitalGlobe's FirstLook imagery prepared as a slide 
 showhttp://www.slideshare.net/DigitalGlobe/ph-typhoon-haiyan2013nov11
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Re: [talk-ph] Humanitarian (HOT) map style on the main map

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Eugene,

Actually a lot of the items in the HOT style are pretty generic and
not specific to HOT. For example the style zooms down to level 20, so
in areas that are very dense you can visualize more of the points of
interest.

One thing I'm interested in is seeing if there are ways to make the
style more universal. Meaning the focus for this style was a project
in Haiti and it has been tested a bit in parts of Africa. Are there
features or icons that would make it more universal? For example we
were discussing how a hamburger icon for fast food isn't necessarily
obvious to everyone.

Best,

Kate

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

 There's a recent addition to the map styles/layers available on the main OSM
 map and this is the Humanitarian style which was developed by the
 Humanitarian OSM Team (HOT). Check it out here:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/14.5317/121.0281layers=H

 According to HOT, this map style focuses on the developing countries with
 an emphasis on features related to development and humanitarian work. And
 that this style is interesting since it has good contrasting style in terms
 of overall colour choices and shows many new/different icons (particularly
 for basic amenities in developing countries) and more nuanced surface
 tracktype rendering.

 As far as I know, there's not so much use of HOT-specific tagging in the
 Philippines so this style is not that much useful. Still, it's a welcome
 addition to the Standard, Cycle Map, Transport Map, and MapQuest Open
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [HOT] Imagery license clarification needed

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I think that lawyers from the provider of the license interpreting the
license as okay for use in OSM is no issue. Josh Campbell above is the
lead for the project. Currently this project is up for an award, it is
not putting the database at risk.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de 
wrote:

 i understand that often imagery is handed out in the context of humanitarian
 aid and should only be used in this context.

 For OSM to be on the safe side: Would it be possible to document the
 permissions you have for tracing in a clearly understandable way in the
 wiki? The current license text leaves a bit of uncertainty what a derived
 imagery product is.

I can document in the wiki my understanding of it. The legal
interpretation of the US government by their own lawyers that the
initial use of the derived vectors need to be for humanitarian use,
after that it is fine to remain under the ODbL license in OSM. The
reason for this is the US Government-wide license for commercial
satellite imagery is not supposed to cut into potential commercial
sales of that imagery. So it would not be possible to release that
imagery for what would be initially a commercial use.


 So why not simply add a clause saying Imagery is used by the members of the
 HOT for providing humanitarian aid as expressed in our policy. Derived data
 will be stored in the Openstretmap database in accordance with the
 contributor terms and is available under the ODbL also after end of the
 humanitarian project.

The NextView license is the US Government-wide license utilized for
commercial satellite imagery. It is not going to be possible to add a
clause to it.

Best,

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [HOT] Imagery license clarification needed

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

This has come up before. HOT is part of a pilot for the initiative
Imagery to the Crowd (1). Representatives of HOT and the US
Government met multiple times in all day meetings to discuss what the
NextView license means as well as to have the vectors available under
ODbL. The legal interpretation by the US government lawyers of their
own license was that the initial use of the imagery needed to be for
humanitarian use, but it was fine for there also to be commercial use.
So basically they can't give the OSM community the imagery to digitize
for an initially commercial reason, but the vectors can stay in OSM
under ODbL no problem beyond that.

-Kate


(1) https://hiu.state.gov/ittc/ittc.aspx

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 From: Stephan Knauss [mailto:o...@stephans-server.de]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Imagery license clarification needed

 Not understanding what the definition of LIDP is makes it so difficult
 for me to understand the license.
 Martin replied earlier and he did interpret it as not suitable for OSM.

 You can't really interpret part of a license. LIDP is probably a term
 defined elsewhere. I doubt a tracing is a LIDP, on the other hand, I don't
 see permission for non-literal imagery derived products (IDPs).

  Can you provide the full license so that we can see what the classify
  tracings as?
 Unfortunately that was all license text available. It comes from HOT
 context. I noticed that a lot of imagery and data available for that
 humanitarian context comes with a clear non-commercial clause.

 I checked the HOT tasking manager and the license presented to users can
 be found at http://tasks.hotosm.org/license/1 (OSM OAuth signin required)
 but the usage terms refer to the NextView (NV) License) and it's not
 clear if that's the same as the usage terms.

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[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

This is just a reminder that the process of students submitting ideas for
Google Summer of Code is ongoing. If you are interested in potentially
mentoring or helping read through the proposals please get in touch.

Best,

-Kate
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code Time Again! (Need Project Ideas)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

This is just a reminder that we are still brainstorming Google Summer
of Code ideas.

Are there specific projects that are interested in proposing projects
and adopting students? I attending the GSoC Mentors summit last year
and a lot of the really successful projects had more than an
individual helping the student with questions/etc.

Any specific ideas as far as that goes?

Best,

-Kate

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm one of the organization administrators for Google Summer of Code
 (GSoC) this year. As a reminder or for those not aware GSoC is a
 program organized by Google to pay students stipends to work on
 projects within various open source projects. Organizations apply to
 be accepted and then are allocated students based on those students
 proposals.

 One of the very important aspects of this is projects coming up with
 potential project ideas. That is where I need your help.

 I've created a template page where projects can be added:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2013/Project_Ideas

 If you would like to see what was brainstormed in past years that is
 available here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas

 Also if you are interested in getting involved in GSoC in other ways
 such as mentoring and reviewing student proposals please let me know.

 Best,

 -Kate

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[talk-ph] From the @hotosm Twitter Account

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

This event was sent towards HOT through Twitter:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Help-improve-lives-vulnerable-urban-137043.S.216957041

I think there are lots of way open geographic data could help.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-talk] Geocode trademark

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Don,

So you are volunteering as an expert witness? =D

And yes sadly the situation is silly, but difficult to deal with as
with the OSMF being a small organization with little in the way of a
legal fund.

Best,

-Kate

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Donald Cooke doncoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 If anyone gets around to challenging GEOCODE, Inc's trademark claim, a
 couple of quick searches will find that the term has been in use in GIS
 literature for ~45 years.  For example, I organized a working session on
 Geocoding in 1971.  I put together a collection of papers called
 GEOCODING-71 which Google books shows available in nine libraries in the
 USA and Canada. At the bottom of page 54, there's even a reference to a
 commercial product called GEOCODE.  I really wish these people would do
 something useful with their lives and talents rather than annoy others with
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Alex,

You might want to clarify because your email is a bit confusing. My
understanding is you are saying I would like it to be this way, but
at the moment it is not. Correct?

Yes it is important to clarify the share alike clause, but I think
also important not to confuse people asking how the licensing
currently works.

-Kate

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 I think all of these use cases should be ok and we should adjust the
 community guide lines to clarify that ODbL's share alike clause shouldn't
 kick in here.


 On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote:

 Hello all!

 I have a few usecases for OSM where I do not know if I can use it or not.

 I work for a library where we are building a new version of an application
 to handle all sort of collections, for example books, letters, images, music
 sheets, etc. The application will store metadata and digitalized versions of
 the works. To know where an item was created, a letter sent from / to, etc
 we need to store places and information about them. The information we
 normally store about a place is name, alternative names, names translated to
 different languages, etc. A place might be a historic one that no longer
 exists.

 In the current system, metadata about a place is constructed by giving it
 a name, known variations of the name, which country it is in (problematic as
 it might change over the time) and translation of the name.
 As an OSM user and contributor my first reaction was, we can make the
 places more precise and avoid the changing countries problem by using
 coordinates for places, and also present them in a better way.

 As the applications data should be readable for a long time (forever),
 will we be storing all metadata together with the digitalized objects. We
 will over the lifetime of the application construct several thousand places.
 We will not be able to share the complete db under the ODbL as the works
 have all kinds of licenses that are incompatible with the ODbL. The
 resulting system will be accessible for anyone from the Internet,
 subsections might have restricted access.

 1. If we present an OSM map to the user let them click on the map and use
 the coordinates they clicked on as part of the metadata for a place in our
 application, will the resulting database be considered a derived database?
 To clarify, we would not extract any information from the map, beside the
 coordinates that the user clicked on, they would by themselves navigate the
 map to for example London and then click somewhere in London.

 2. If we use the overpass API to find possible matches for a placename
 entered by a user, present the possible matches with markers on a map and
 let the user click on the map and use the coordinates the user clicks on,
 will the resulting database be considered a derived database?  Again, we
 would not extract any information from the map, beside the coordinates that
 the user clicked on. Presenting the markers would of course help the user
 find a place, such as London.

 3. If we use the overpass API to find possible matches for a placename
 entered by a user, present the possible matches with markers on a map and if
 we have more then one result ask the user to fill in more details about the
 place such as, country, region, close to major city, local name, etc until
 overpass only returns on result, would the user entered data be considered a
 derived database? To clarify, in this case would we not extract the
 coordinates or any other data from the map.

 4. If we present several places (all data about the place including
 coordinates originates from other sources than OSM) on an OSM map to help
 find duplicates, and then lets the user click on two places marked on the
 map, to merge them into one, would the resulting database be considered a
 derived database?


 I would love for us to use OSM in our application, but I have been unable
 to find out if we can use it for the four usecases presented above.

 with hope of a speedy answer

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Re: [OSM-talk] Interesting cases of vandalism?

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Mulone,

This UN Dispatch article(1) mentions some of the main streets in
Jalalabad, Afghanistan having joke names. Note this has since been
fixed by those same mappers.

Hameed who is mentioned in the article also spoke at last years State
of the Map Conference.

-Kate

(1) http://www.undispatch.com/how-afghan-mappers-punked-apple

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Mulone mul...@rome.com wrote:
 (Apologies for cross-posting)

 Hi all,
 I am an academic researcher and I am studying the issue of vandalism in
 OpenStreetMap
 (see  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism   for a general discussion).
 I am very interested in the motivations that lead users to vandalise
 OpenStreetMap.
 Can you point me to specific instances of vandalism that have an
 *identifiable reason*?

 Examples might include:
 - People changing borders of countries in conflict zones
 - People renaming famous places with their name/interests
 - Companies damaging data to prevent competition (such as the alleged
 vandalism by Google’s contractors)
 - People damaging symbolic places (e.g. deletion of the White House or the
 Eiffel Tower)
 - People damaging data to bully locals/other users
 - People creating imaginary places
 - People who are frustrated with the editing tools and start using them to
 damage data

 Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences!
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[OSM-talk] HOT Positions in Cap-Haitien

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

HOT is about to start a big project in Haiti in March. We are looking
for people to help as junior and senior field coordinators. What does
that mean? We need people to teach OpenStreetMap data collection
(GPS/Walking Papers/Editing in JOSM) and to provide other related
technical support as need. We are both looking for people to lead
parts of the project and people to assist.

It is seldom that HOT has paid work for people with just a few years
work experience. This is a great way to get started with us if you are
already well versed in OSM.

We are ideally looking for people that speak both French and English
(also speaking Haitian Creole would be a major plus). Ideally you'd
already be involved in volunteer work with us somehow, but exceptions
are possible.

Senior position: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/hot_senior_position_CHM_haiti
Junior position: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/hot_junior_position_CHM_haiti

Just a reminder that the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team is a
non-profit organization that uses OpenStreetMap for disaster planning
and response.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group 2013

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Michael,

The meeting time is 1am in Jakarta and even later in other parts of
Asia (though I think you are in the Philippines at the moment and are
well aware).

Anyway, are there plans to rotate the meeting at some point?

I often perform advocacy within governments and the United Nations and
there are definitely issues I would like to discuss and have more
clarity.

Best,

-Kate

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
 The LWG will hold its first post-license change meeting provisionally
 Tuesday 22nd January at 18:00 GMT/UTC.

 I would like to draw your attention to the following:

 We'll be discussing our future role and any input on that, preferably to
 this list, is most welcome.  We've started putting together a remit document
 here:
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D3KwSM_BO7KkcbVADQVVn7eFwkD-RNauMwidhhlVPsI/pub

 We welcome new members and diverse views. If you are interested in opening
 up geospatial data and imagery for anyone to use, please join us.  You can
 contact me at my email address if you want more details or you can join us
 for one meeting to see if you like it.

 If you cannot or do not want to join us long term but have a particular
 issue that is important to you and it is in the best interests of OSM, we
 can make it a project and you can join us for one meeting or a few weeks. In
 the UK, example projects might be freeing up postcodes or public right of
 way route definitions.  Do you have important issues in your country? Are
 you an organisation that is finding OSM data difficult to use for legal
 reasons?

 Mike

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Combining NC Data with ODbL

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Martin,

I appreciate the sentiment, though I think it have unintended consequences.

The reason I am asking the questions I'm asking is as part of a
greater effort to advocate within humanitarian groups to release their
data under licenses compatible to OSM. Often the issue with data after
a disaster is that it is locked up and can't be reached in times of
emergency. For example there actually was a map of Haiti after the
earthquake. The office of the National Mapping Agency had collapsed
and where the back-up of the data was not immediately known. One of
the reasons for this is they had a long policy of selling that data,
but nobody was actually buying it.

It is also a slippery slope to make exceptions because then maybe
there are other exceptions that groups would like to make. For example
I could see some groups not wanting OSM used by the military or maybe
large corporations. It is unrealistic though to make these types of
distinctions I think.

Thanks,

-Kate

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
 2013/1/15 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com:
 Hard to say if it would be substantial, I think that is going to
 depend on the size of the disaster and what exactly the data is being
 used.


 I think with the current guidelines any extraction will be very soon
 substantial, The OSM community regards the following as being not
 Substantial ... provided that the extraction is one-off and not
 repeated over time for the same or a similar project.

 Especially the part not repeated over time for the same or a similar
 project will be read that if you extract a second time hospitals or
 schools the amount would add to the number from the first time you did
 so.

 This is very sad, I'm sure almost all contributors to OSM would like
 to not have these restrictions for certain scopes (like HOT). What if
 we made a change to our license to have different terms for different
 fields of users? (Or is this completely unrealistic?). E.g. we could
 release data for humanitarian work under attribution only (after
 positive voting by the active contributors) terms?

 cheers,
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Combining NC Data with ODbL

[Kate Chapman]

Alex,

While I agree with the principal that the restrictions on geocoding
are preventing groups from joining the OSM community, I don't think
changing the insubstantial clause is the way to fix the issue. The
clause is there for just that insubstantial use, to make it high
enough to allow geocoding in the way that is desired things would no
longer be insubstantial.

Having an exception to the license however a big undertaking I think
is the correct way to approach things.

-Kate

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 Am 15.01.2013 18:02, schrieb Alex Barth:
 On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 Am 14.01.2013 08:36, schrieb Kate Chapman:
 2. I have a spreadsheet of hospital locations licensed CC-BY-NC, I use
 OSM to geocode these locations. I believe this can't happen because of
 the incompatibility of the two licenses.
 3. I export school locations from OSM and then append capacity of the
 schools and other information to the exported data. I then release the
 data CC BY-NC on my organizations website. Also can't happen because
 of the incompatibility of licenses.
 With both 2) and 3) if you remain within the bounds of an insubstantial
 extract
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline)
 your usage would be ok, even though as you correctly state both extracts
 would normally be considered derivative databases and would require
 release of the underlying data with the ODbL.
 The insubstantial guidelines are way too strict (less than 100 features(!)).

 As you say we have had this discussion before. The insubstantial
 guideline is there to determine what  trivial, inconsequential usage of
 the data is. On the one hand I suspect that if we (though some kind of
 consultation process) raise the numbers, it is never going to be enough
 (10'000, 10'000'000?). On the other hand raising the number at one point
 essentially creates a new (CC0) licence. We have both a ethical
 fiduciary duty to respect the wishes of the part of the community that
 wants strong share a like (there are reasons to believe that this is
 large group) and a contractual one (contributor terms) to follow due
 process for a licence change.

 It would not be out of the question to add a specific geo-coding
 licence or terms to the canon of licences that the OSMF is allowed to
 distribute the data with, but as you realize that is a major undertaking
 and up to now nobody has stepped forward  and taken ownership of the issue.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Haiti.

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Shawn,

There is an active OpenStreetMap community in Haiti. (Some of them
read this list).

I've cc'd that list if you'd like to get involved there is probably
the best place.

Last year there was a project in St. Marc that might be of interest:

http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-06-24_return_to_the_training_in_saint_marc_haiti_mixing_generic_and_specific_teaching_a

http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-04-24_coming_to_a_close_in_saint_marc

Best,

-Kate

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Shawn Dash sdash1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear OpenStreetMap friends of Haiti:

 A few days ago headlines about Haiti were all about the 3-year earthquake
 anniversary.   Is that really all Haiti is?!

 I love telling my friends that there are many businesses in Haiti and that
 the country actually is flourishing.And, again, people just do not
 believe.

 I am thinking that it would be really wonderful to create a map of the small
 businesses in Haiti -- to show and prove that it is not just tents and
 cholera.

 Let's begin a conversation about how life goes on in Haiti, how the county
 is living and breathing, and how Haiti is actually standing on it's own and
 moving forward.

 The headlines about Haiti should be the beauty and the life, not the
 destruction and the aid!

 I tried to find a map of small businesses in Haiti -- and all I could find
 was something in Foursquare that's nice, but it is mainly in the richer
 areas and it is more about night-clubs and drinking and not really the small
 businesses.

 I think it would be really interesting to GPS tag as many barbershops in
 Haiti as possible, since, the barbershop -- in it's own way -- is a sign
 that life goes on in Haiti, and that there is indeed a local economy.   As
 we both know, there's thousands of barbershops, everywhere, even in
 containers!

 I am wondering if, as you are geo-mapping and geo-tagging, if there is
 anyway to start a project show I can show my friends that Haiti is not just
 disease and famine -- there is very much a living life, too!

 What do you think?

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Combining NC Data with ODbL

[Kate Chapman]

Thanks Simon,



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 Am 14.01.2013 08:36, schrieb Kate Chapman:


 2. I have a spreadsheet of hospital locations licensed CC-BY-NC, I use
 OSM to geocode these locations. I believe this can't happen because of
 the incompatibility of the two licenses.
 3. I export school locations from OSM and then append capacity of the
 schools and other information to the exported data. I then release the
 data CC BY-NC on my organizations website. Also can't happen because
 of the incompatibility of licenses.

 With both 2) and 3) if you remain within the bounds of an insubstantial
 extract
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline)
 your usage would be ok, even though as you correctly state both extracts
 would normally be considered derivative databases and would require
 release of the underlying data with the ODbL.

 In both cases you are naturally free to simply produce such results on
 the fly. My reading of the ODbL would seem to indicate that if you for
 example geocoding on the fly you may not even have to provide an
 indication from where you results were derived.

That is my reading as well, though I think in most humanitarian use
cases people are going to be doing traditional types of GIS processes.
 To me this means they are unlikely to link dynamically (bandwidth
problems are fairly normal).

Hard to say if it would be substantial, I think that is going to
depend on the size of the disaster and what exactly the data is being
used.

Thanks for your help,

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[OSM-legal-talk] Combining NC Data with ODbL

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

So I've been thinking a lot about non-commercial licenses. The reason
is there are many humanitarian organizations that are releasing data
CC BY-NC or CC BY-SA-NC. I've been thinking through the issues with
this and trying to improve HOT's points about why using NC licenses is
not recommended.

I wanted to make sure I have a couple scenarios right and also ask if
anyone else on the list has other scenarios they would like to
suggest.

1. I used OSM as the basemap for my map of refugee camps, the camp
data is my organizations and licensed CC BY-NC. The data for OSM and
the camp data is never combined. I release my map under CC-BY-NC. I
believe this is okay.
2. I have a spreadsheet of hospital locations licensed CC-BY-NC, I use
OSM to geocode these locations. I believe this can't happen because of
the incompatibility of the two licenses.
3. I export school locations from OSM and then append capacity of the
schools and other information to the exported data. I then release the
data CC BY-NC on my organizations website. Also can't happen because
of the incompatibility of licenses.

Is my reading of these okay? Are there other potential use cases you
can think about? I do worry about pointing some of these out
potentially and then organizations just not releasing the data
(perhaps in example 3).

Thanks,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

[Kate Chapman]

I also would like to echo that it is a good idea.

Perhaps if people don't like the hammer/bubble it would make sense to
have a logo design contest or something. Personally I think anything
that is simple and appealing and makes it clear to people can click on
it is great.

Best,

-Kate

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:42 AM, yvecai yve...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a very nice idea!
 But before discussing the logo, maybe a simple redesign of the osm logo in a
 smaller version allowing readibility but keeping the magnifier and the map
 would save lot of talk.
 I'm no expert, but somebody with real talent could make something in that
 idea: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Yvecai/logo

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Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

[Kate Chapman]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote:


 There are already communities around Disaster Relief,
 etc., and good etiquette would dictate that I wouldn't go in and edit their
 data.

 You wouldn't go in and edit OSM disaster relief data? Why not? If I
 had local knowledge of data in OSM that was of higher quality or newer
 than what I found, I'd go in and fix it. I think HOT would want that.
 If any other disaster group using OSM felt that this was
 inappropriate, then they don't understand OSM.

Yep the whole point of HOT is having people edit their own areas that
they know best. Sure often we do a lot of remote mapping in terms of
response. Ideally though we still want the best available data for the
map same as everyone else. There are expanded tags that we use
sometimes, but the same as any other information if you can improve it
please do.

Best,

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Re: [talk-ph] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat

[Kate Chapman]

Looks like the WMS will be going down at 1200 UTC on Sunday.

So digitize away until then.

Best,

-Kate

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you for this information Kate. And thank you to all who have
 been helping.
 It is somewhat depressing when you try to compare the old orbview
 imagery with the recent post-typhoon imagery over New Bataan. :(

 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I just wanted to mention the Disaster Charter call will likely be
 ended soon. The WMS will then be taken down.

 So map while you can!

 Best,

 -Kate

 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear everyone,

 Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
 Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
 is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
 Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
 imagery is available in the individual tasks below:

 - Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
 - New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
 - Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
 - Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133

 If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
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Re: [talk-ph] post-typhoon pablo/bopha imagery from atrium/unosat

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I just wanted to mention the Disaster Charter call will likely be
ended soon. The WMS will then be taken down.

So map while you can!

Best,

-Kate

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear everyone,

 Post-disaster imagery in selected areas in Mindanao affected by
 Typhoon Pablo/Bopha is now available for tracing in OSM.  This imagery
 is currently available through JOSM and you need to agree with the
 Astrium/UNOSAT license to access them.  Full details on how to use the
 imagery is available in the individual tasks below:

 - Montevista - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/130
 - New Bataan - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/131
 - Cateel - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/132
 - Baganga - http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/133

 If there are problems with accessing the imagery, just ask here. Thanks!
 --
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 maning
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Combining Creative Commons Licensed Data with ODbL and Redistributing

[Kate Chapman]

I don't believe that would apply to a derivative work, I think that
just applies to the work itself.

I'm interested to hear other interpretations though.

-Kate

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
 Which version of CC-BY?  3.0 contains a pretty substantive anti-DRM
 clause:  You may not impose any effective technological measures on
 the Work that restrict the ability of a recipient of the Work from You
 to exercise the rights granted to that recipient under the terms of
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[OSM-talk] What to call OSM data?

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

So I met with a group looking to link OSM data to other data. Meaning
have a link that says this village in OSM is equivalent to this
village in these 3 other datasets. Part of this process involves
having metadata for everything.

The people I met with asked me a question I hadn't been asked before:
What do people prefer the OSM data be described as in the metadata?

So for example crowdsourced infromation, volunteered geographic
information, non-authoritative data, or something else?

Does anyone have suggestions or a preference? I had said I would at
least bring it up on this mailing list for more feedback.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Alex,

Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?

Thanks!

-Kate

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013. With an 
 international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013 (no 
 confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this point), 
 we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around April, 
 May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM dates will 
 allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of the US SOTM.

 Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in Portland, 
 is starting right now with researching viable locations and dates. We are 
 looking for places that will allow for an affordable conference at a great 
 location and date.

 If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning committee, 
 please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an email at 
 bon...@mapbox.com.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frederik,

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 Hi,


 On 10/23/12 01:24, Alex Barth wrote:


 Another question that we could ask to enlighten us is: What do commercial
 geocoding providers usually allow you to do once you have paid them? When
 you geocode a dataset with TomTom data and you pay them for that, do TomTom
 then still claim any rights about your resulting database, or do they say,
 like you sketched above, that their license does not extend to the geocoded
 dataset?

I think we need to separate the geocoding engine from the data to
answer this question. I worked for a company where we had geocoded a
huge amount of data (millions and millions of records) with one street
dataset. The dataset began to be too expensive and we looked for
another source. When we switched datasources we had to regeocoded all
the records because the original geocodes were derived from the
original commercial data source.

So essentially it was the lat/lons that were associated with the
original data, but not the address data we had input.

I'm unsure what would have happened to the corrected addresses the
geocoder fed back. We would have fed in the original data again.

-Kate


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Re: [OSM-talk] Event in Vienna/AT: Int'l UN Crowdsourced Mapping

[Kate Chapman]

I applied to go as well.

The original meeting I believe was focused more on disaster response,
where as this one has a preparedness aspect to it as well.

I'm hoping to share HOT's work and discuss the availability of imagery
before a crisis happens, instead of the current situation where there
usually needs to be an event before imagery is released.

-Kate

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
 I've signed up. - Mike

 On 19 Oct 2012, at 18:45, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:


 On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Nicolas and Schuyler attended last year for HOT. I'm not sure if we've 
 identified someone to represent HOT there yet.

 Main topic of discussion (for HOT at least) is greater sharing of imagery 
 in responses; as well as use of OSM among UN partners.

 And a nice touch, UN Spider has switched to OSM.
 http://www.un-spider.org/un-spider-world

 Ha, that's awesome.

 I just signed up, not sure I can go though. Today is the last day for 
 registrations.


 -Mikel

 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
 From: Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com
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 Subject: [OSM-talk] Event in Vienna/AT: Int'l UN Crowdsourced Mapping


 Who's planning to attend? Looks interesting, but not sure I will be able to 
 travel.

 Event: Dec 3-5 2012 / Application deadline: Oct 19, 2012

 United Nations International Expert Meeting on Crowdsource Mapping for 
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[OSM-talk] Join HOT in Indonesia for a Few Weeks as a Tech Trainer

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Originally I put this out to the HOT list, but I figured I'm missing
some people that way.

As you may know there is a team of 8 OpenStreetMap trainers in
Indonesia right now. This team leads workshops and provides technical
support around OpenStreetMap use for disaster risk reduction around
the country. The secondary component is continued training to become
an increasingly experienced team of OpenStreetMap contributors.

So far much of this training is coming from just a few of us (myself
and Joseph Reeves). To
expose everyone to different tech skills, different teaching styles,
and to mix things up we'd like to have a another person join us for 3
weeks in November. There are a variety of skills we are interested in
and suggestions are also welcome.

So far ideas are:

General programming in Python, especially with QGIS
SQL Queries/PostGIS
Setting up WMS Servers
TileMill
Web Server Configuration
Sharing maps on WordPress/Drupal/other web tools
Advanced QGIS Topics
Processing of Imagery with open source tools
Git

For more information look here on HOT's website:
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get_involved/openstreetmap_technical_trainer
and if you have questions ideas feel free to contact me.

Best,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join HOT in Indonesia for a Few Weeks as a Tech Trainer

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frans,

Could you explain what you are thinking?

-Kate

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote:
 can our team be part of this?

 you know who are we and what we are doing?

 F

 On 10/10/12, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Originally I put this out to the HOT list, but I figured I'm missing
 some people that way.

 As you may know there is a team of 8 OpenStreetMap trainers in
 Indonesia right now. This team leads workshops and provides technical
 support around OpenStreetMap use for disaster risk reduction around
 the country. The secondary component is continued training to become
 an increasingly experienced team of OpenStreetMap contributors.

 So far much of this training is coming from just a few of us (myself
 and Joseph Reeves). To
 expose everyone to different tech skills, different teaching styles,
 and to mix things up we'd like to have a another person join us for 3
 weeks in November. There are a variety of skills we are interested in
 and suggestions are also welcome.

 So far ideas are:

 General programming in Python, especially with QGIS
 SQL Queries/PostGIS
 Setting up WMS Servers
 TileMill
 Web Server Configuration
 Sharing maps on WordPress/Drupal/other web tools
 Advanced QGIS Topics
 Processing of Imagery with open source tools
 Git

 For more information look here on HOT's website:
 http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get_involved/openstreetmap_technical_trainer
 and if you have questions ideas feel free to contact me.

 Best,

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[OSM-talk] Creative Local Outreach and Communities

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

State of the Map US is this weekend. I'm giving a talk titled, Local
Outreach, Local Communities, World Map.

Why am I coming to you? Well do you have a different approach to
getting people involved? Maybe we haven't heard about it because it is
local. Are there things that you've tried that worked great in other
places but not at home? What advice would you give to someone that
wants to start getting more people mapping locally?

I have my own ideas about this, but I want to hear yours.

Also imagine an audience where a lot of people aren't necessarily
involved in the broader OSM community.  So something that might seem
common to you, might not be to them.

Thanks for your help!

(I promise a blog post afterwards so there is a summary of the information)

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[OSM-talk] Wiki Translation

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

An effort has begun to translate parts of the OpenStreetMap wiki into
Bahasa Indonesia.

My question is how does a link to the translation end up in the
Available Languages section at the top of each page of the wiki?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_Translation#Wiki_translations_HOWTO
it states Note: due to technical reasons (limitations in the parser
functions defined in the MediaWiki software showing this wiki), not
all pages with existing translations will show by default in the list
of available languages, but only languages for major languages of the
world. Is this why Bahasa Indonesia doesn't show at the top when a
page is translated? I think it is a pretty major language.

Best,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Street/POI Index from OSM data

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Alex,

Specifically for Indonesia there is an export tool available here:
http://hot-export.geofabrik.de/ (It also works for Haiti and Africa).

The way it works is you upload your JOSM preset and it will spit out
the data you want in a variety of formats. CSV is not one of them but
shp is and if you take the dbf file from the shhp it would work
basically the same.

-Kate

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I am rather new to OSM data.  I've enjoyed doing edits on the map and now
 I'd like to start learning how to arrange it on a printed page.

 I know there are lots and lots of tools out there.

 Could I receive a few recommendations for getting some text data out?

 I was thinking I might need to use Osmosis.  Some pointers would be very
 helpful.

 I would like to:

 Select a bounding box (I can produce lat/lon)
 Get a list of street names'
 Output a CSV file (or other text file)


 Select a bounding box (I can produce lat/lon)
 Get a list of POIs
 Output a CSV file (or other text file)

 For these I would also like to be able to get any other attributes/keys like
 description text or other things.

 Thank you to each of you for all the work you do!

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[OSM-talk] HOT Internship Roster

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Perhaps most people interested in this are already on the HOT mailing
list. We are putting together a roster for internships right now:
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/join_the_internship_roster_for_field_deployment

What does this mean? Over the past 2 years HOT has had people come
with us on trips to Haiti, Indonesia, and Senegal to help volunteer
and learn what HOT does. Typically on these trips we cover housing,
travel, and insurance. It is great opportunity to get involved in
HOT's field work.

Typically we've recruited for these internships on a case by case
basis. Meaning when an opportunity comes up we post it to our website.
To ease the burden of this process a bit, we are currently creating a
roster.

If you are interested please apply. And to get more involved with HOT
join our mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot

Best,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Indonesia Coastline - fixup needed

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Paul,

The coastline was there previously, so it might be an accidental
deletion problem. We are currently looking.

As far as the road classification that is something we are working on
having better documentation in Indonesian. I don't think the
classification has anything to do with the redaction it is more an
issue of people being new and just needing some help.

Thanks,

-Kate

Hi Paul

Garis pantai sudah tersedia sebelumnya, jadi kemungkinan masalahnya
adalah terhapus secara tidak sengaja. Kami sedang menyeledikinya.

Klasifikasi jalan merupakan sesuatu yang sedang kami kerjakan yaitu
memiliki dokumentasi yang lebih baik dalam Bahasa Indonesia. Saya
tidak berpikir bahwa klasifikasi memiliki hubungan dengan perubahan
lisensi, masalah ini lebih kepada pengguna baru dan membutuhkan
beberapa bantuan.

-Kate



On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 I happened to notice the coastline for an entire island in South Sulawesi,
 Indonesia is missing.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-6.1219lon=120.4563zoom=14layers=M

 There also seem to be a lot of primary roads and few lower classifications.

 This actually may not be redaction related.

 I'm sending this in the hope that an armchair mapper can trace it or a
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Re: [OSM-talk] Indonesia Coastline - fixup needed

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

We put up some editing tips on OpenStreetMap.or.id (1) and are sharing
them around.

Thanks for the feedback!

-Kate

(1) http://openstreetmap.or.id/tips-editing/

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 03:01:33PM -0700, Paul Norman wrote:
 I happened to notice the coastline for an entire island in South Sulawesi,
 Indonesia is missing.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-6.1219lon=120.4563zoom=14layers=M

 There also seem to be a lot of primary roads and few lower classifications.

 This actually may not be redaction related.

 I'm sending this in the hope that an armchair mapper can trace it or a
 suitable source can be found. The imagery isn't great.

 Before the redaction period I have several times fixed large pieces of
 coastline in Indonesia that were totally missing or doubled up or otherwise
 broken. I never tried to track down whats happening there, but maybe there
 is an inexperienced mapper creating those problems again and again.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

[Kate Chapman]

I would be curious to have an estimate as to when imports might be
allowed again.

There is a university I'm working with that would like to import data
that they collected. So yes technically it is an import, but then
their intent would be to now update the data directly in OSM rather
than the way they have previously been doing it.

This isn't technically urgent but there is updating they'd like to do soon.

Thanks,

-Kate

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera:
 Ok so are imports allowed again?



 Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the
 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would
 strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with
 remapping Australia or Poland, than wasting time on something that can
 easily wait.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MoU between OSM and NLSF

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Chris,

I don't understand why you think this agreement is unacceptable. It
isn't taking any rights away from OSM to use the data that I can see.
MoU agreements are a very typical thing of governments and I don't see
what the issue is.

-Kate

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
 On 03/07/12 17:02, Pekka Sarkola wrote:

 Dear Friends,

 I have prepared with National Land Survey of Finland Memorandum of
 Understanding (MoU) about usage of their datasets by OpenStreetMap
 activists. Hare is current draft text for everybody to comment:

 
 Memorandum of Understanding

 This Memorandum of Understanding (hereinafter “MoU”) is between the
 National
 Land Survey of Finland (hereinafter NLSF) and OpenStreetMap contributors
 (hereinafter OSM).

 Background
 NLSF started to use a new Open Data License for their topographic
 information datasets (hereinafter Data) on 1st of May 2012. NLSF’s Open
 Data
 License grants a worldwide, free of charge and irrevocable parallel right
 of
 use to open data. This MoU clarifies how Data can be used when OSM are
 collecting data to be part of OpenStreetMap database.

 Usage of NLSF’s data
 NLSF data can be used at least two (2) ways by OSM:
 - As reference data: NLSF Data can be used as reference data. For example
 NLSF’s raster maps or aerial photographs can used as source data when OSM
 databases are digitized, corrected, validated or in any other way.
 - As import source: NLSF Data can be imported to be an integral part of
 OpenStreetMap database.

 Attribution
 OSM will add NLSF’s contribution to OpenStreetMap wiki pages as follows:

Finland
  National Land Survey of Finland
Contains data from National Land Survey of Finland Topographic
 Database and other sources,
data extractions started on 05/2012. More specific data sources and
 data extraction dates are
documented as part of data and in OSM wiki pages

 OSM are preparing guidelines for all OpenStreetMap data collectors on how
 to
 include necessary tag-information for the OpenStreetMap data features.
 

 Reasons to make this kind of MoU:
 - Common understanding among OSMers what can and what cannot do with NLSF
 datasets
 - Clarify OSMers goals for NLSF when using their datasets

 Some people may say that we don't even need this kind of MoU. IMHO: maybe
 it's better to have something than nothing.

 However, all comments are welcome!

 If the data is licensed in an open way, you don't need this agreement. You
 are tying mapper hands with this agreement and it is, IMO, completely
 unacceptable.

 Who will sign this on behalf of OSM? What authority would this person have?

 This sets a dangerous precedent that I strongly oppose it.

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[OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the
context of government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency
takes the OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves
upon it. Those improvements are shared with the Ministry of the
Environment. Is that redistribution?

Thanks,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Pekka,

I'm concerned specifically about the specifics of the licensing so I
can speak to them, not the ideal situation.  Yes when I present I do
approach with explaining it is best if everyone contributes to the
same map.

I still need to know the specifics of the constraints of the license,
since I often get asked questions.

-Kate

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Pekka Sarkola pekka.sark...@gispo.fi wrote:
 Kate,

 Can you reverse this: how about if NMA will improve local OSM data and then
 MoE will use OpenStreetMap. Benefits for all, right?

 That is how we try to make it here in Finland. Well, National Land Survey of
 Finland is not improving OSM, but we (as OSMers) can improve OSM with their
 data.

 Rgs,

 Pekka

  Pekka Sarkola – pekka.sark...@gispo.fi – www.gispo.fi 

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 To: Licensing and other legal discussions.
 Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Triggering ShareAlike in Government

 Hi All,

 I have a question about what would trigger the ShareAlike in the context of
 government. Let's say for example a National Mapping Agency takes the
 OpenStreetMap road data for their area and then improves upon it. Those
 improvements are shared with the Ministry of the Environment. Is that
 redistribution?

 Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Custom Imagery

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Alex,

I've bought imagery previously for Padang from a DigitalGlobe
reseller. It was delivered as a GeoTiff. I then used gdal2tiles.py to
tile it to be used in JOSM.

You may want to recheck the areas you are interested, Bing appears to
have updated quite a bit of imagery in Indonesia recently.

Best,

-Kate

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am looking into how to use custom imagery for tracing.

 Can anyone point me at a process, and how-to?

 I was looking at the Digital Globe site, thinking of buying some images.

 What would I do with them to load them into JOSM?  It appears there is no
 open background image and add to map dialog.

 Do I need to create wms tiles?

 Alex

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Re: [OSM-talk] Indonesia Imagery Blackout

[Kate Chapman]

Alex,

Could you send a link to the area in OpenStreetMap? You can do that by
zooming to the area and clicking the View button again. Then copy
and paste the resulting link.

I suspect the answer is there isn't imagery available at certain zoom
levels for that area.

Thanks,

-Kate

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is a line of missing imagery that stretches from Bekasi to Gunung
 Pangranga thourgh Sukabumi to Pelabuhan Ratu that is not available.

 Does anyone have any ideas why this is?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Indonesia Imagery Blackout

[Kate Chapman]

Alex,

So that is just where the imagery ends. It is pretty common to have
stripes like that.

-Kate

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Alex Rollin alex.rol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Alex,

 Could you send a link to the area in OpenStreetMap? You can do that by
 zooming to the area and clicking the View button again. Then copy
 and paste the resulting link.

 I suspect the answer is there isn't imagery available at certain zoom
 levels for that area.


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-6.741lon=106.9485zoom=14layers=M



 Pelabuhan Ratu isnt in that line, its another crossover, though, perhaps
 between batches of imagery?

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-6.98435lon=106.55299zoom=15layers=M


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[OSM-talk] Specific Cases of Governments Using OSM

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I'm giving a presentation in a couple weeks about OpenStreetMap and
how governments can interact with OSM.

I'm looking for examples of governments using OSM data, versus
releasing data for OSM to use.

I already know about TriMet in Portland, OR for example: http://ride.trimet.org/
There is also my work with HOT in Indonesia for mapping exposure for
impact models.

What other examples are out there?

Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] new bing hires updates not visible in JOSM?

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Maning,

JOSM caches the old imagery if you clear the cache it will fix the issue.

-Kate
On 13 Jun 2012 08:39, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't think this is the case because when I am using JOSM, the old
 hires imagery is loaded instead of the updates.

 You can see the outline of the old imagery here:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#10.685173,122.583121,17

 Click the bing baselayer to see the updated imagery.  In josm, only
 the old imagery is visible.

 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jaakko Helleranta.com
 jaa...@helleranta.com wrote:
  Make sure you are viewing the highest zoom levels (z18-19) when trying
 to look for the highres imagery.
 
  This trick showed some additional hires imagery for some areas in Haiti
 last year. It was in JOSM, though and the bug may have been solved (haven't
 checked actually). .. So, may not help you but good to try.
 
  Cheers,
  -Jaakko
 
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  Subject: [OSM-talk] new bing hires updates not visible in JOSM?
  Sent: Jun 12, 2012 20:39
 
  As the subject says, we spotted new imagery from Bing.  Potlatch2 can
  load the imagery, but JOSM still shows the lowres Landsat image of the
  same area.
 
  This area for reference:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=9.305565lon=123.308057zoom=18
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data density - top regions

[Kate Chapman]

The one in Indonesia is the work of human mappers. There has been an
effort going on to map all the buildings in Padang for the past 9
months or so.

It does look like some cleanup does need to be done of the area due to
some duplicate nodes and other problems. But overall I think it has
been a really great effort of a lot of folks to help.

If you look at HOT's Tasking Manager you can see there is a large area
that has been worked on that is almost finished. It is an area HOT
bought high resolution satellite imagery for through a grant.

-Kate

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 Hi,

   if you render the world on zoom level 16, there are 67 million meta
 tiles (each covering an area of 8x8 tiles). The majority of them are in the
 sea, obviously, and unlikely to have any data. 20 million meta tiles are not
 in the sea; of these, 4.4 million have at least one node.

 As of 27th May 2012, only 142 of these meta tiles have more than 100,000
 nodes on them; the front-runner has a whopping 227,000. 105 are in France,
 26 in the US, 3 each in Italy and Brazil, and one each in Spain, Japan,
 Denmark, Austria, and Indonesia.

 This count is a side effect of something else I was doing and I apologise
 for not making a proper map of it; I've only dumped and reverse-geocoded the
 top 142 regions:

 http://fred.dev.openstreetmap.org/density/

 I'd be interested to know how many of these are actually the work of human
 mappers. Most of the French ones are probably imported buildings, but the
 others?

 If anyone wants to do something interesting with it, the full file of all
 4.4 million metatiles and how many nodes on them is available on request (or
 the rather primitive script that makes the list from a planet file).

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenSeaMap

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frans,

OpenSeaMap(1) is OpenStreetMap, it is a specific rendering of it.

If you look on the wikipage you can see there are a couple specific
mailing lists for it.

-Kate

(1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote:
 hi all

 anyone review openseamap.org

 any idea where is the planet?

 and is the community become one with OStreetMap?

 or anyone can give me the glue

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Re: [OSM-talk] Worst of OSM

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Personally I think it is discouraging. I think positive encouragement
is much better than this negative method. Sure it is helpful to
discuss problems somewhere but I think calling it the Worst of OSM is
unfair. If the map is never done then isn't everything technically
the worst at some point? At least compared to the future?   For
example the boundaries in Java are correct, they just shouldn't be
mapped as Province level, they are villages.  Sure I could go fix it,
but I'm working with the mappers there locally to fix their mapping
mistakes.

If we want to be a map of the entire world encouraging people will
work much more than discouraging them.

-Kate

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 On 2012-05-15 12:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

 I couldn't find a contact possibilty on the page, that's why I try it
 here.

 Worst of OSM is a nice idea IMHO:

 http://worstofosm.tumblr.com/

 What I really miss though is a possibility to comment / discuss the
 examples. This could help to explain the context of the screenshot as
 well as discuss some examples which might be disputed.


 I agree. I have looked at some examples, and while some are just caused by
 the nature of our (armchair) mapping (non-existing roadnames in Brazil) and
 some seem to be correct (the street-like boundaries on a mountain on Java),
 some really need discussing and fixing, like the crossing in
 (Leipzig)-Schönau, which has been tidied up, but is still broken IMHO
 (mapping every single lane is not a good idea IMHO), and like the 3% of
 villages in Spain example, which looks like an automated import gone wrong.

 Regards,
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[OSM-talk] Kickstarter for Haitian Creole OpenStreetMap Book

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I just wanted to draw your attention to a project HOT is working on in
conjunction with Community OpenStreetMap Haiti.

We are having a Kickstarter fundraiser for a translation sprint. The
sprint will translate the Free OpenStreetMap book from French into
Haitian Creole.

To have OpenStreetMap continue to grow in Haiti it is vital that more
materials are available in Haitian Creole.

http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-05-10_back_the_first_haitian_creole_openstreetmap_book

Thanks!

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosa Viewer for Osmosa.net and OSM.org

[Kate Chapman]

Serge,

It is not a fork but a local site, I think there is just some language
confusion going on.

My understanding of the intent it to provide faster access to
OpenStreetMap data within Indonesia.  The network within Indonesia is
pretty fast, but slow to the rest of the world.  So having locally
hosted tiles and data is a huge boon in this case.  Editing will be
done on the main OpenStreetMap server.

Correct me if I'm wrong Frans=).

Best,

-Kate

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote:

 feedback welcome...

 There are several OSM forks, and unless I misunderstand, this is
 another one. If so, please discuss that on another list, and leave the
 talk list for OpenStreetMap related discussion.

 - Serge

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[OSM-legal-talk] Signing of Contributor Terms

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Would it be possible to have someone sign the contributor terms rather
than login to accept them?

If I understand things correctly if I am talking to a data provider
who has released their data ODbL they would still need to accept the
contributor terms to allow the relicensing of the data at some point?
Is this correct?

To follow in the import guidelines better I think rather than having
them login and dump the data into OSM it would be better to have a
copy of the contributor terms to be signed for that data set.  With
governments giving them an actual physical document would likely be
the easiest. Then the OpenStreetMap community could decide what to do
with that data since it would be licensed appropriately and have
contributor terms associated with it.

Best,

-Kate

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Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Frans,

There is a new application that may be of help:
https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server

It allows linking of OSM data to other information.  In my training
datasets I used rating as an example since that is a subjective idea.

-Kate

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote:
 I just thinking

 Create a web, fill there and save in poi of osm.

 But, what happen if someone has put there.

 Still dunno how to communcate if we have data also in my server that 'must'
 share poi

 On Apr 13, 2012 10:28 AM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk
 wrote:

 On Fri, April 13, 2012 11:58, Frans Thamura wrote:
  hi all
 
  we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia
 
  choice
 
  1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap
  2. save in openstreet as POI
 
 
  what do u think?
 
  and we will create rating also for the hotel...

 Option 2, then (optionally) cross-reference your database outside of OSM
 with hotel POIs inside OSM.  Alternatively, you can re-generate your
 database by extracting hotel POIs from the OSM database.

 For rating you can use the stars=* tag, but it's probably subjective, or
 not really comparable between countries.

 Best wishes,

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Re: [Talk-ht] incorrect health facility imports

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Why not remove the ones that are not there?  They can always be added
back if someone does locate them.

This original dataset was imperfect and expected to improve overtime,
but didn't really completely finish before the final release.

Part of updating OpenStreetMap data and surveying should be removing
data that doesn't exist as well.  I would think that this is also the
case with some of the IDP camps as well.

Best,

-Kate

Salut à tous,

Pourquoi ne pas supprimer celles qui ne sont pas là? Ils peuvent
toujours être rajoutés si quelqu'un ne les localiser.

Cette base de données originale a été imparfaite et devrait permettre
d'améliorer les heures supplémentaires, mais il n'a pas vraiment
complètement terminé avant que la «version finale».

Une partie de la mise à jour des données OpenStreetMap et d'arpentage
devrait être la suppression des données qui n'existent pas ainsi. Je
pense que c'est aussi le cas avec certains des camps de personnes
déplacées ainsi.

Best,

-Kate

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Brian Wolford
worldwidewolf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I see the point of the features still being useful when they can be
 relocated. But as we are moving towards making final end products with OSM
 data these pollutants are becoming more of nuisance. For instance the maps
 that are being made by AFH right now are having these random facilities come
 up on the map (these facilities were not found on the survey of the area
 either). And while these can be removed on the map making/GIS side (and I
 don't believe in punishing OSM with GIS woes) the maps are made to be easily
 updated from OSM data. Which makes that more difficult. And I feel that
 using mapnik rendering tags to designate symbols later should not be
 something that needs workaround.

 Another, potentially dangerous, thing I see from leaving rendered health
 facilities in known incorrect spots (this might be a bit of a stretch
 currently) is people using navigation devices (or even paper maps). If there
 were some one out in a rural area who was injured and used their Garmin
 loaded with OSM data to find the nearest health facility, they might be
 directed to one of the known incorrect locations and have put them self even
 farther from medical attention.

 I would rather, and have been, remove the 'amenity=' tag from these while
 they are known incorrect and remove them from the rendering. They can always
 be found later using a location fixme tag like Severin suggested.
 I personally don't think that is even needed tho. If one would like to find
 these features you can filter for the paho tags. Or if you'd really like to
 work on them click the JOSM link on this page:
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/paho%3Aid
 They will not be unfindable without the amenity=hospital tag.

 I only suggest removing tags rendering tags when they are known incorrect
 and basic research does not reveal a better location.

 Retorts?
 -brian


 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Jaakko Helleranta.com
 jaa...@helleranta.com wrote:

 Desole seulment en francoise. Svp utilise http://translate.google.com si
 tu comprends pas l'anglais.
 --
 (This is a few days old by now as the reply didn't get sent before the
 other replies but these r my thoughts anyways.)

 I see this being somewhat closely related to a wider problem about adding
 crisis response data / less-than-desirable-quality data into OSM during
 after acute crisis.

 On one hand it's purely against OSM import rules.
 One the other hand, Haiti was the first time such broad use of OSM
 happened in a such a big crisis. .. And in an area where the original map
 was practically non-existent.

 The problem has different perspectives to it of which I can think of two
 top issues:

 * it was more or less an emergency import (which doesn't mean that we
 can't clean it)
  - due to this there's a _ton_ of emergency health facilities (field
 hospitals, etc). These I tend to delete unless there's a reason to believe
 that there may be something there, of course.

 * the health facility imports done were the best data that was
 available. You can find more or less the same data in the Government's Carte
 Sanitaire (Haiti Health Map, http://j.mp/cartesanitaire if I remember the
 shortlink right) (which is no excuse to dump crappy data to OSM...)
 This includes hospitals in the middle of the ocean, which I've usually
 dragged closer to the shore :) ...

 Now what to do with these you ask?
 Good question.

 I personally haven't removed the amenity=hospital tags even though they
 _are_ polluting the map as you say.
 When trying to improve things by my self I've tried to move nodes closer
 to what I'm guessing may be the place where the health facility is -- if I
 have any clue.
 The thing is that there may very well be _some_ heath facility in the area
 as I have found out by asking about the existence / locations of a number of
 facilities from health sector people I know.
 I've adjusted a number of health 

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Addition of building footprints in selected U.S. and Canadian cities

[Kate Chapman]

We did an imperfect import of building footprints in Washington D.C. a
while ago.  I personally find it makes the map far more usable for
adding other information. With the buildings in I am able to add
stores and other details easily without using a GPS, simply by
printing Walking Papers.

Personally for me I enjoy outlining buildings, but there are plenty of
other places without footprints where I could do that if I had the
urge.

-Kate

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM, William Morris
 wboyk...@geosprocket.com wrote:
 So here's something to mull over while we all wait for the license upgrade:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23616645/Geosprocket_Share/umd_subset.osm

 That's an extract of the UVM-SAL building footprints I'd like to
 import for swathes of MD and PA. My workflow for killing existing
 feature conflicts actually went best without involving ESRI at all:

 1.) In QGIS, Set up 0.2-degree import grid over new building coverage areas
 2.) Pull down one grid cell worth of OSM data using the QGIS OSM plugin
 3.) Add building footprint .shp, select all footprints that intersect
 OSM lines or polygons
 4.) Switch selection, save as new .shp
 5.) Run ogr2osm.py on new .shp (Special thanks to Andrew Guertin for
 running me through that process)
 6.) Open new .osm file in JOSM, add building tags, upload.
 7.) Repeat for next import grid cell

 Tedious, but it'll get the job done. And a reminder: I do not intend
 to add any building footprint that conflicts with an existing feature,
 adhering to the OSM preference for user-added features over imports.
 Now soliciting thoughts, roadblocks, expressions of ennui, etc.
 Thanks!

 -Bill Morris

 My objection is a generic one and one that has been heard before on
 this channel.  To be clear, I do not wish to criticise Bill; he
 appears to be following the bulk edit guidelines and he is engaging in
 the discussions here.  That's fantastic.  Bill, welcome to the
 community.

 I think imports (taking a large number of objects from an external
 source and placing them in OSM all at once) is bad for the community.
 Most of you have heard me say this before.  I still have no hard
 evidence to prove it.  There is also no hard counter-evidence.  At
 best, imported data will be unmaintained.  I glibly offer most TIGER
 ways as evidence.

 I ask you to suspend disbelief for a moment, and presume that imports
 are generally bad, and presume that adding new mappers is generally
 good.

 Can we try something new?  Can we use this building data as motivation
 to get new mappers in those areas so that specific mappers will have a
 stronger connection to the data in specific areas?

 Something like this:
 - Let's set a smaller grid. Something like a large suburban arterial
 block, say 1.5km / 1 mi square.
 - If you want to import the buildings in one grid square, you have to
 find a new mapper in that area, and they have to do an on the ground
 survey of some part of that area.
 - You can only do so in areas that are no more than four grid squares
 from your home location (or work location).

 This is a cross between adding game-features to OSM, banning
 imports and having users adopt part of the map.  :-)

 This could be really beneficial to a new mapper.  They could survey
 the local fire station, police station, hospital and schools, and
 perhaps the businesses on the main street, and a few local shopping
 malls.  They get all of those business names, and they'll be
 completely up to date.  They'll add them to the map, and they don't
 have to trace as many building outlines, because they have the
 external source available.

 What I hope this will encourage is:
 - new mappers in those areas
 - who will do new foot surveys of interesting things
 - and will feel attached to the data
 - and keep it up to date over time.

 And, if the new mapper understands that the building data for their
 area is a reward, they are unlikely to be frustrated or discouraged
 by it if some buildings end up in the wrong place.  the new mapper
 will just fix them.  And carry on mapping.

 I know that what I suggest is much harder than simply importing the
 data from one or two accounts.  I suggest that the benefit of finding
 and encouraging new mappers in your area is much greater than just
 having new building outlines in your area.

 Now the Negative Army will jump in and say, That's too hard., That
 will never work., I want buildings now.

 You can take leadership on this.  Are you the only active mapper in
 your city or region, or one of only a few?  Do this.  Be a leader.
 Grow the community and then you won't be able to keep up with the
 growth of the map.  Build new contributors.  (And host local OSM
 groups.)

 Thanks for letting me hijack your thread, Bill.  :-)

 Best regards,
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[Kate Chapman]

DC GIS

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue

-Kate

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM, the Old Topo Depot
oldto...@novacell.com wrote:
 Kate,

 What was the source for the building footprint import ?

 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 We did an imperfect import of building footprints in Washington D.C. a
 while ago.  I personally find it makes the map far more usable for
 adding other information. With the buildings in I am able to add
 stores and other details easily without using a GPS, simply by
 printing Walking Papers.

 Personally for me I enjoy outlining buildings, but there are plenty of
 other places without footprints where I could do that if I had the
 urge.

 -Kate

 On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM, William Morris
  wboyk...@geosprocket.com wrote:
  So here's something to mull over while we all wait for the license
  upgrade:
 
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23616645/Geosprocket_Share/umd_subset.osm
 
  That's an extract of the UVM-SAL building footprints I'd like to
  import for swathes of MD and PA. My workflow for killing existing
  feature conflicts actually went best without involving ESRI at all:
 
  1.) In QGIS, Set up 0.2-degree import grid over new building coverage
  areas
  2.) Pull down one grid cell worth of OSM data using the QGIS OSM plugin
  3.) Add building footprint .shp, select all footprints that intersect
  OSM lines or polygons
  4.) Switch selection, save as new .shp
  5.) Run ogr2osm.py on new .shp (Special thanks to Andrew Guertin for
  running me through that process)
  6.) Open new .osm file in JOSM, add building tags, upload.
  7.) Repeat for next import grid cell
 
  Tedious, but it'll get the job done. And a reminder: I do not intend
  to add any building footprint that conflicts with an existing feature,
  adhering to the OSM preference for user-added features over imports.
  Now soliciting thoughts, roadblocks, expressions of ennui, etc.
  Thanks!
 
  -Bill Morris
 
  My objection is a generic one and one that has been heard before on
  this channel.  To be clear, I do not wish to criticise Bill; he
  appears to be following the bulk edit guidelines and he is engaging in
  the discussions here.  That's fantastic.  Bill, welcome to the
  community.
 
  I think imports (taking a large number of objects from an external
  source and placing them in OSM all at once) is bad for the community.
  Most of you have heard me say this before.  I still have no hard
  evidence to prove it.  There is also no hard counter-evidence.  At
  best, imported data will be unmaintained.  I glibly offer most TIGER
  ways as evidence.
 
  I ask you to suspend disbelief for a moment, and presume that imports
  are generally bad, and presume that adding new mappers is generally
  good.
 
  Can we try something new?  Can we use this building data as motivation
  to get new mappers in those areas so that specific mappers will have a
  stronger connection to the data in specific areas?
 
  Something like this:
  - Let's set a smaller grid. Something like a large suburban arterial
  block, say 1.5km / 1 mi square.
  - If you want to import the buildings in one grid square, you have to
  find a new mapper in that area, and they have to do an on the ground
  survey of some part of that area.
  - You can only do so in areas that are no more than four grid squares
  from your home location (or work location).
 
  This is a cross between adding game-features to OSM, banning
  imports and having users adopt part of the map.  :-)
 
  This could be really beneficial to a new mapper.  They could survey
  the local fire station, police station, hospital and schools, and
  perhaps the businesses on the main street, and a few local shopping
  malls.  They get all of those business names, and they'll be
  completely up to date.  They'll add them to the map, and they don't
  have to trace as many building outlines, because they have the
  external source available.
 
  What I hope this will encourage is:
  - new mappers in those areas
  - who will do new foot surveys of interesting things
  - and will feel attached to the data
  - and keep it up to date over time.
 
  And, if the new mapper understands that the building data for their
  area is a reward, they are unlikely to be frustrated or discouraged
  by it if some buildings end up in the wrong place.  the new mapper
  will just fix them.  And carry on mapping.
 
  I know that what I suggest is much harder than simply importing the
  data from one or two accounts.  I suggest that the benefit of finding
  and encouraging new mappers in your area is much greater than just
  having new building outlines in your area.
 
  Now the Negative Army will jump in and say, That's too hard., That
  will never work., I want buildings now.
 
  You can take leadership on this.  Are you the only active mapper in
  your city or region, or one of only

[OSM-talk] Inspiring Other Communities=)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Just wanted to point out that the weekly OSM Summaries have inspired
Ushahidi to start making their own.

They credit OpenStreetMap on their blog announcing them:
http://blog.ushahidi.com/index.php/2012/03/27/ushahidi-weekly-1/

Best,

-Kate

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