Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 20.12.2009 03:58, schrieb John Smith: Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination since someone else has already made something good enough Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated map.

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de: from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than full world-wide coverage is lame, too. :-[ Dunno about others, but the server I'm running for us to play with for aussie aspects only has south east asia and oceania... Technically speaking

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated map. You don't *necessarily* need this if you're prepared to only update your map once a week (which, it should be said, is still much, much more frequently than the OS and

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
The standards for acceptance by the casual user have grown enourmously. A year ago, the main maps were re-rendered once a week and that was cool. Now they are updated daily/minutely and somehow people expect that from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than full

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Would most casual users even notice though? I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments like one update per week is enough from emotional/social/visceral factors like omg, I made a

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: I'm not saying it's easy to get the hardware to make this happen for multiple renderings, like CloudMade can do. But it's important, if we want to attract more users. I've been suggesting putting more emphasis on tiles in the past but without much

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Richard Bullock
I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments like one update per week is enough from emotional/social/visceral factors like omg, I made a change and it's already in the map! That instant feedback has been a huge factor in Wikipedia's success. If the original

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/21 Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net: Oh, come on! Minutely rendering of Mapnik is an recent development. The original contributors to OSM *did* have to wait a while to see any changes. Sometimes more than a week. And you can't say OSM hasn't come on since then can you? It can't be that

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
Actually it would be more informative to only count new user accounts after they make say 5 or more edits, total number of accounts aren't that useful for anything beyond PR spiels, what is useful is people making edits. ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: This is completely separate from the rendering of nodes, where it will (as mentioned before) only render barrier=gate, nor of the completely Also barrier=bollard. Probably - I'll have a look. It's just a different stylesheet

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: This is particularly annoying to me as one of my major motivations in contributing to OSM is to work towards producing really good bike maps of Melbourne and surrounds. I'm shocked that I can't contribute to, or tweak,

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Reverse engineer it.  And quick, before CC-BY-SA goes away, and tiles don't have to be released under a free license. That would only matter for new tiles created under a new license, not current tiles. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago. Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are the keen cyclists of OSM clamouring for an *open* cyclemap? Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: You're not the first to notice this either, came up a feww weeks/month ago. Yeah, I see that one post on the mailing list, but no followup. Where are the keen cyclists

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:58 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination since someone else has already made something good enough Of course. I think very few users have the technical skills. But I want those who do, to be