Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
2013/9/16 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com Martin Koppenhoefer writes: there are also other approaches in the pipeline (for years actually), sensor networks in the cars, New York City is surrounded by bridges and tunnels that practically require you to have an E-ZPass. They have transponders which will read your E-ZPass just for identification purposes. They use that information to report on congestion within the city. According to the maker of the transponder, they keep a hash of the identification number, and throw it away as soon as they have calculated the speed. yes, based on road infrastructure there are also other systems already in use. In Italy there is a camera based system called tutor which does number plate recognition on motorways to calculate the individual average speed with the scope of issuing speeding tickets, and they also claim that they'd delete the data as soon as they can see that you didn't drive too fast ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: there are also other approaches in the pipeline (for years actually), sensor networks in the cars, New York City is surrounded by bridges and tunnels that practically require you to have an E-ZPass. They have transponders which will read your E-ZPass just for identification purposes. They use that information to report on congestion within the city. According to the maker of the transponder, they keep a hash of the identification number, and throw it away as soon as they have calculated the speed. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On 2013-09-12 10:07, Lester Caine wrote: Johan C wrote: Unfortunately not available everywhere yet, but as a step towards becoming the best map in the world: after the publication of open address data in the Netherlands two years ago, starting this month open traffic data will be available in The Netherlands http://www.ndw.nu/pagina/nl/103/datalevering/ This will mean that OSM navigation apps will be able to outperform TomTom due to the better road quality. Hopefully the rest of Europe can follow soon. This would inevitably mean headlines in major newspapers and therefore a huge increase in mappers. Let's rock! It always amuses me that 'the cloud' was originally about using all of the spare processing power available and sharing out problems. Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? To my mind that is the next logical step for the routing software? Of cause some will complain about 'privacy' but personally I'd be happy for people to know where I am, so a permanent sat nav in the car rather than one in my pocket makes even more sense if I want to know where my car has gone ;) That is already being done with cellphones: [1] (dutch). The problem with conventional sat-nav is that they were not connected to the could. Only recently cellphones (smartphones) have become powerful and usable enough to be used for navigation. Furthermore: it requires an active data connection, something I don't have or want (and I'm probably not the only one, no I don't want everyone to know where I am). GSM is a much better tool for this anyway. Traffic information was always sent to satnav devices using FM. [1] http://verkeer.wikia.com/wiki/Verkeersmonitoring_met_Floating_Car_Data_via_GSM Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? That data is already available for sale from mobile network operators - that is why you don't see much interest in having navigation devices provide feedback: every mobile device is already providing ample sampling. Of course that doesn't help the free world very much... That is why what I'm thinking is the 'free' version ;) A sort of agreed standard linked to the various OSM routing options? Maarten - I can understand your reluctance on always on data, currently I do get gaps in the mapping on the motorways here were there simply isn't any cover, but moving forward I think that particular problem will eventually be fixed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
2013/9/12 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org That data is already available for sale from mobile network operators - that is why you don't see much interest in having navigation devices provide feedback: every mobile device is already providing ample sampling. Of course that doesn't help the free world very much... there are also other approaches in the pipeline (for years actually), sensor networks in the cars, this is a nice visualization how it could work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwBgJn-S3EA but unfortunately also the automotive industry is not very famous for their openess ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
Free version of such data would be great and as I allways have data on on my phone I won't have problem with that. I was thinking on implementing something like that but at least for me, main problem is server(s) where that data would go and that would aggregate them as that would be quite much data if it's used by many people (and we would need many people to use it, if we want to get good qualitty data out of it)... 2013/9/12 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? That data is already available for sale from mobile network operators - that is why you don't see much interest in having navigation devices provide feedback: every mobile device is already providing ample sampling. Of course that doesn't help the free world very much... That is why what I'm thinking is the 'free' version ;) A sort of agreed standard linked to the various OSM routing options? Maarten - I can understand your reluctance on always on data, currently I do get gaps in the mapping on the motorways here were there simply isn't any cover, but moving forward I think that particular problem will eventually be fixed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On 9/12/2013 5:09 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? That data is already available for sale from mobile network operators - that is why you don't see much interest in having navigation devices provide feedback: every mobile device is already providing ample sampling. Of course that doesn't help the free world very much... That is why what I'm thinking is the 'free' version ;) I don't know how open their data is, but have you heard of waze? I just stumbled onto it yesterday. http://www.waze.com/ Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Interested in all things GPS and tracking ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) ldeff...@homeside.to wrote: I don't know how open their data is, but have you heard of waze? I just stumbled onto it yesterday. http://www.waze.com/ waze has been acquired by google. and even before that, they were not collaborative at all. -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On 9/12/2013 9:37 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote: I don't know how open their data is, but have you heard of waze? I just stumbled onto it yesterday. http://www.waze.com/ Google recently bought Waze, so the data is definitely not open. I now see more local MapMaker activity, probably spurred by Waze. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.com wrote: Free version of such data would be great and as I allways have data on on my phone I won't have problem with that. I was thinking on implementing something like that but at least for me, main problem is server(s) where that data would go and that would aggregate them as that would be quite much data if it's used by many people (and we would need many people to use it, if we want to get good qualitty data out of it)... 2013/9/12 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Since the majority of sat nav's are now smart devices, why can't they all be reporting back the average speed where they are so we can automatically map the current traffic hot spots? That data is already available for sale from mobile network operators - that is why you don't see much interest in having navigation devices provide feedback: every mobile device is already providing ample sampling. Of course that doesn't help the free world very much... That is why what I'm thinking is the 'free' version ;) A sort of agreed standard linked to the various OSM routing options? Maarten - I can understand your reluctance on always on data, currently I do get gaps in the mapping on the motorways here were there simply isn't any cover, but moving forward I think that particular problem will eventually be fixed. Telenav has been working on an open standard for traffic data based on OSM for a couple of years. See their presentation at SOTM-US: http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68096028 Might be nice for someone at Telenav to write up a quick wiki page about the TTL standard :) Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Outperforming TomTom
Unfortunately not available everywhere yet, but as a step towards becoming the best map in the world: after the publication of open address data in the Netherlands two years ago, starting this month open traffic data will be available in The Netherlands http://www.ndw.nu/pagina/nl/103/datalevering/ This will mean that OSM navigation apps will be able to outperform TomTom due to the better road quality. Hopefully the rest of Europe can follow soon. This would inevitably mean headlines in major newspapers and therefore a huge increase in mappers. Let's rock! Cheers, Johan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
