nt: Saturday, 30 October 2021 18:01
To: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)
On 29/10/21 10:23 pm, Phil Wyatt wrote:
> I think OSMAND only works to exclude access=private, not access=no
It does
, disappointing.
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From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 10:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
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Some renders can show the difference. OSMand has a
:*Dian Ågesson
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I think you’ve struck the central issue here: if it is on the ground,
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I've always mapped a track that's not wide-enough for a vehicle as a path.
Ian
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or
Ian
From: Dian Ågesson
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Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
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I think you’ve struck the central issue here: if it is on
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From: fors...@ozonline.com.au
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 20:34
To: Frederik Ramm
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)
Hi Frederik, Thorsten
1. "a park manager wo
Oct 29, 2021, 12:42 by p...@wyatt-family.com:
> In most cases you are allowed to legally travel ANYWHERE, including off
> track, within a national park (with minimal exceptions), however we do not
> mark on the map every possibility between all known destinations. That would
> make the map
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> Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
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> Some renders can show the difference. OSMan
To: Frederik Ramm
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)
Hi Frederik, Thorsten
1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and therefore deletes the
track
in order to keep people from exercising their
Hi,
On 29.10.21 12:33, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> 1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and therefore deletes the
> track in order to keep people from exercising their rights".
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> Does this happen, has it ever happened? I would be surprised if it
> happened here. Anyway its not
I think OSMAND only works to exclude access=private, not access=no
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From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 10:05 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang Nation
] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
Park)
Hi,
On 29.10.21 09:08, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
You could map a track under the "if it exists then map it" rule but
you don't have to. We do not map women's refuges and they exist. We
don't have to map
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From: fors...@ozonline.com.au
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 20:34
To: Frederik Ramm
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)
Hi Frederik, Thorsten
1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and th
On 29/10/21 9:33 pm, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Hi Frederik, Thorsten
1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and therefore deletes the
track in order to keep people from exercising their rights".
Does this happen, has it ever happened? I would be surprised if it
happened here.
'good intentions' the map is about what is there not
what might be wanted.
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*Subject:* [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
Nation
efforts.
Leave it to the locals to decide the best course of action
Cheers - Phil
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From: Frederik Ramm
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 7:46 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
Hi Frederik, Thorsten
1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and therefore deletes the
track in order to keep people from exercising their rights".
Does this happen, has it ever happened? I would be surprised if it
happened here. Anyway its not what I thought we were talking about,
29 Oct 2021, 09:08 by fors...@ozonline.com.au:
> You could map a track under the "if it exists then map it" rule but you don't
> have to. We do not map women's refuges and they exist. We don't have to map
> every informal trail.
>
Note that "do not map women's refuges" applies to ones which
...@thorsten.engler.id.au; 'OSM Australian Talk List'
Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang
National Park)
Hi all
This also came up in 2015,
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-July/010619.html
The consensus, which I was
Hi,
On 29.10.21 09:08, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> You could map a track under the "if it exists then map it" rule but you
> don't have to. We do not map women's refuges and they exist. We don't
> have to map every informal trail.
This is true, and we shouldn't go out of our way to thwart
agers
on side and in agreement with development of trails.
By 2 bobs worth
Cheers - Phil
From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 2:05 PM
To: 'OSM Australian Talk List'
Subject: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
Park)
...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 2:05 PM
To: 'OSM Australian Talk List'
Subject: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
Park)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497
"Removing closed or illegal trails. Tidy up of Fire Roads and
On 2021-10-28 8:05 p.m., osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:
If it exists on the ground, it gets mapped. If there is no legal
access, that's access=no or access=private. If it's a path that has
been created by traffic where it's not officially meant to go, it's
informal=yes.
Yep, this
Cheers - Phil
From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Sent: Friday, 29 October 2021 2:05 PM
To: 'OSM Australian Talk List'
Subject: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National
Park)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497
"
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112722497
"Removing closed or illegal trails. Tidy up of Fire Roads and places"
My opinion on the topic is:
If it exists on the ground, it gets mapped. If there is no legal access,
that's access=no or access=private. If it's a path that has been
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