[talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Michael Hampson
Hi All, Does anyone know if we have lost the use of NearMap as a background or is there an issue with Potlatch 1.4? Thanks, Michael Hampson Ph: 02 4739 4938 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Michael Hampson
Thanks Emilie, Regards, Michael Hampson Ph: 02 4739 4938 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: On 15 September 2010 14:16, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know if we have lost the use of NearMap as a background

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 September 2010 14:28, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if we have lost the use of NearMap as a background or is there an issue with Potlatch 1.4? Nearmap withdrew their support for the people using the new contributor terms. The OpenStreetMap foundation is

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Luke Woolley
Bloody Hell. They have even blocked the custom field. I have a lot of choice words to say right now but shall refrain until I calm down! All over a bloody licencing dispute (which I don't like getting involved in unless I have to, which that time has now come) On 15/09/2010, at 11:58 PM, Grant

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Biber
On Wed, 15 September, 2010 11:28:29 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Just to clarify, we have not concluded discussions with NearMap and discussion is still positive. The removal of the NearMap option in Potlatch was prompted a few weeks by back, but was only actioned

[talk-au] Nestoria and OSM

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
Nestoria have launched an OSM option in Australia. http://blog.nestoria.com.au/big-thank-you ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 September 2010 15:14, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Who was it prompted by? Did NearMap themselves request it? There was a specific question from a AU community member to NearMap if the option should be removed. They said yes. -- Third hand, I was not part of the discussion.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 00:37, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I believe John Smith initially suggested it to NearMap. Ben Last at NearMap No, I posted the question publicly to the legal talk list, my concern wasn't just about Nearmap but any source that may be too easy to access by

Re: [talk-au] Nestoria and OSM

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 00:37, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Nestoria have launched an OSM option in Australia. http://blog.nestoria.com.au/big-thank-you Wonder if they'll ditch OSM when the data is reverted due to the poor quality previously available...

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 00:37, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I believe John Smith initially suggested it to NearMap. Ben Last at NearMap No, I posted the question publicly to the legal talk list, my

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Bloody Hell. They have even blocked the custom field. I have a lot of choice words to say right now but shall refrain until I calm down! All over a bloody licencing dispute (which I don't like getting involved in unless

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 03:48, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Legal argument aside.  Frankly it makes my head hurt.  If a vendor decides to stop allowing OSM use of their resources, we should say Thanks for what

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 04:02, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: That said, there is no answer right now for what will happen regarding NearMap imagery in the future. Currently, OSM users may not use NearMap imagery for deriving data for OSM. Only users that have agreed with the new

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 04:12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: bad. This isn't a competition with a winner and loser. The fact is that NearMap don't want OSM users using their imagery right now. So we shouldn't. This isn't true, they don't want to allow their data to be submitted under

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:16:34 +1000 Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know if we have lost the use of NearMap as a background or is there an issue with Potlatch 1.4? There are other editors, assuming that you have not agreed to the new Contributor Terms.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 04:12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: bad.  This isn't a competition with a winner and loser.  The fact is that NearMap don't want OSM users using their imagery right now.  So we

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 07:31, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I don't think that your recommendation is in the best interest of OpenStreetMap or OSM contributors. You left off 3, there is going to be a fork as cc-by-sa and any such contributions from Nearmap will be happily accepted. Also

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 07:31, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I don't think that your recommendation is in the best interest of OpenStreetMap or OSM contributors. Actually how can you or anyone else make this statement in good faith when most of the contributors have never been asked what

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 07:58, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Or did you mean CommonMap? http://commonmap.info Unlikely, since CommonMap is cc-by, not cc-by-sa... Or did you mean SharedMap? http://www.sharedmap.org At this stage this is run and used by a single person, perhaps this

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 07:31, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I don't think that your recommendation is in the best interest of OpenStreetMap or OSM contributors. Actually how can you or anyone else make this

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 07:58, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You overlook the obvious, that discussion can lead to additional rights grants from publishers. And how many years must we wait before they'll be

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 08:11, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: This old saw again, JohnSmith? Every time the community is asked, they support progress in the form of ODbL rather than the inappropriate CC-By-SA. Here is the latest feedback for you. Yes and how many said they haven't even

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 08:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It will take forever if you never start the discussion. ;-) I was under the impression the LWG was already talking to Nearmap, however I don't have a problem with the current license, so I don't see a point in wasting it to

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 08:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It will take forever if you never start the discussion.  ;-) I was under the impression the LWG was already talking to Nearmap, Sure. Aren't there

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread 80n
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2010 08:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: It will take forever if you never start the discussion. ;-) I was

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Sam Vekemans
Some datasets are ok to use, what the CT fails to mention is the fact that the OSMF can made the decision on weather or not to accept a dataset. Specifically because the humble contributor cannot guarantee that they represent or have the exact 'direct permission' as it could have been just a

Re: [talk-au] NearMap

2010-09-15 Thread Ben Last
On 16 September 2010 02:12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: NearMap have requested that their imagery not be available in Potlatch, and have changed their license on their web site to remove explicit permission for OpenStreetMap. That is their right and their decision. On Wed, Sep