Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Sam Couter
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear Talk-au, The License Working Group have had further communication with data.au.gov to confirm their position on permitting data.au.gov data in OpenStreetMap. data.au.gov have reviewed the Australian section of the attribution page

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Richard, is it possible to simply forward the communications you have from data.gov.au to this list, or otherwise make them publically available? That should put the matter to rest one way or another. +1. Surely forwarding

Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Sam Couter
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The answer from AGIMO (data.gov.au) will actually be irrelevant. I was hoping that the original communications would make clear exactly how relevant they are. At the moment we're all just guessing. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Chris Barham
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:51, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. Surely forwarding the emails is less work for you anyway than transcribing parts of the emails (?!). Did you consider why forwarding the full emails might be less than wise? - I have, and will share my

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: ... Making the licence negotiation details public could hand to those who do not have good intentions towards OSM, potential tools to try and damage the project. Wow. If this is true, then the situation is worse than I

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Andrew Laughton
On 31 October 2011 20:12, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:51, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. Surely forwarding the emails is less work for you anyway than transcribing parts of the emails (?!). Did you consider why forwarding the

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 October 2011 14:44, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Are you suggesting that data.gov.au aren't aware of their own license terms or that they are acting outside of their terms?  What evidence to you provide to support your accusations? A non-trivial amount of data is listed as

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Liz
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:44:13 -0400 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: As we are trying to tell you, AGIMO, who owns the data.gov.au domain, does not grant any copyright permissions whatsoever. They are a place which

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Liz
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:34:48 +1100 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear Talk-au, The License Working Group have had further communication with data.au.gov to confirm their position on permitting data.au.gov data in OpenStreetMap. data.au.gov

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread 80n
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 27 September 2011 12:09, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Andrew. I wonder if Grant received a similar answer but interpreted it in

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: [personal comments redacted] / Grant Grant You forgot to cc the lists. Could you please, for about the fifth time of asking, publish a verbatim copy the permission that you have received. If you have some

Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The answer from AGIMO (data.gov.au) will actually be irrelevant. I was hoping that the original communications would make clear exactly how relevant they are. At the moment we're all just

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:51, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. Surely forwarding the emails is less work for you anyway than transcribing parts of the emails (?!). Did you consider why

Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Grant Slater
On 31 October 2011 11:18, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The answer from AGIMO (data.gov.au) will actually be irrelevant. I was hoping that the original communications would make clear exactly

Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: 80n you are not a member of the Australian community. You are here to cause trouble and discontent within the Australian community along with your forking friends Dear Grant, Please continue to offer 80n the

[talk-au] Taking yes for an answer.

2011-10-31 Thread Richard Weait
Let us bring back our presumption of good faith, shall we? Several posters here have suggested that data.gov.au don't know what permissions they have and what permissions they may grant. Another has suggested that data.gov.au would be likely to pay attention to every last detail of paperwork,

[talk-au] Other imports in AU

2011-10-31 Thread Richard Weait
Would AU contributors please have a look at the Import Catalogue[1]. There are still some imports listed for Australia with incomplete details. It would be good to have those details completed. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue

Re: [talk-au] Taking yes for an answer.

2011-10-31 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: After long email correspondence data.gov.au have viewed the text of the attribution page[1] and they find it terrific. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Collinson
Could you please, for about the fifth time of asking, publish a verbatim copy the permission that you have received. If you have some reason that you can't then you need to explain yourself. 80n ?? A verbatim copy of the permission that we have received is here:

Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted

2011-10-31 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: 1) I generally take yes to mean yes rather than looking for reasons why it should mean no. Just so you know, this kind of statement may be interpreted by some as go away, don't ask for details, I don't care if you have

Re: [talk-au] What to tag a fire-fighting water tank?

2011-10-31 Thread Stephen Hope
True, but that doesn't mean we need to use it. When they actually bother to give the SI unit a name, I'll think about using it. In the meantime, the named metric unit of volume is the litre (L), and you can use it with all the prefixes, including KL (or cubic metre), ML etc. The prefixes don't