2009/12/14 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
I asked this a while back (possibly on IRC not on the list) and no-one really
knew. In some cases, particularly SLSCs, the original purpose would still be
very useful to have marked, in that case because it tells you where the
patrolled part of
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
They're definitely not a QLD thing, but I think they are a very Australian
thing. As well as sports clubs, you have the Surf Life Saving Clubs, RSLs and
so on. Although a lot only have one bar and restaurant, there are a
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Yeah, agreed that RSL's, SLSC's etc are in the same category. Are they
really different from a Zagame's type venue, though?
No idea what Zagame's is, so can't comment, you seem to think they are
similar/same thing so we need to figure out a suitable
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be quite
vague - the one nearest my
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
I'm still trying to see how this is very different from amenity=pub
with another amenity=pokies (or whatever), and name=Smithtown
Crocodiles Sports Club. Would it render differently from a pub?
That's the whole point, they aren't a pub and they should
2009/12/14 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This
On 14/12/2009, at 6:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
I think my central argument is this: Your sports_club venue could be
- a sports facility with no eating/drinking/gambling facilities for the public
- an eating/drinking/gambling venue for the public with no sports facilities
- or both.
This
2009/12/14 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
trouble with the combine amenities approach is that we can only have one
amenity on a node, but amenities are getting so broad, there is often need for
more than one amenity on a node
Just do what I did for the BP nodes.
amenity:atm=yes
or just atm=yes as
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Kai Krueger wrote:
So perhaps
this is a thing that we can put out for a vote
On 14/12/2009, at 6:58 PM, Stephen Hope wrote:
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
I'm sure that there was a tag for the first, although I can't find it now.
Something like leisure=club_rooms or similar, which related to a sporting
group but wasn't necessarily where the sports themselves were played,
There is a number of problems all rolled up into one.
1) People that want the status quo
2) People that agree with the intent of CC-BY-SA/ODBL but don't
necessarily agree with ODBL
3) People that agree with ODBL
4) People that want PD or something else
At present I'm in camp #2 and I probably
On 14/12/2009, at 7:10 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
I'm sure that there was a tag for the first, although I can't find it now.
Something like leisure=club_rooms or similar, which related to a sporting
group but wasn't
2009/12/14 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
I'm not fussed on the wording, but I think something for clubs would be good.
You could probably use it for things like scout halls and so on too, if there
isn't a tag for that already.
Scout halls don't have bars, resteraunts or pokies so I don't
James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
I agree that they're not really the same as a normal pub, but I don't know
how'd you'd really describe the difference other than the tenuous connection
to some club and officially members only thing.
Pub is short for public house and is a hotel, a place
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Pub is short for public house and is a hotel, a place where anyone
can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms.
That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would
appreciate these days.
In the ACT, a
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
Pub is short for public house and is a hotel, a place where anyone
can get a meal, a drink and a room. Bars don't have rooms.
That's a historical definition that I doubt many people would
appreciate these days.
but i think that it is still legally
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Dunno about metro areas, but most pubs in rural areas will still rent rooms.
Yep, but we're concerned with the wiki definition of the pub tag,
not what pub means in general. And secondly, we're not concerned
with the
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
Dunno about metro areas, but most pubs in rural areas will still rent rooms.
Yep, but we're concerned with the wiki definition of the pub tag,
not what pub means in
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:58 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
As for tag naming
amenity=member_club
Which is also a little vague, but it is a valid description, would
just need to be documented properly.
Checking on wikipedia there is a similar notion in NZ, at least in
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
a specific tag for them, like servicemens_club or something. The
definition could be A venue providing cheap food and bingo nights in
the company of old people.
They aren't just
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
a specific tag for them, like servicemens_club or something. The
definition could be A venue
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
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2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can
Here's an example of OSM beating even BP to the punch...
This location doesn't exist in the BP dataset:
http://osm.org/go/uN9xpckXA--
You can make out BP signs with NearMap and according to OSM data, it
was tagged on the 3rd of November...
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
So... sports_centre for the actual sporting facilities, something_club
for the commercial bit? Maybe social_club? club_rooms, while it
sounded good for the buildings members genuinely use for their
meetings and
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, take a close look at the proposed definition of
member_club - is it in the form of if A and B and C, it's a
member_club? If so, isn't it a better solution to *tag* A and B and
C? There's no need to create
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
(Oh wait, Roy believes that we shouldn't ever think about renderers,
they're totally irrelevant. Just tag what you want to tag.)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer
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2009/12/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying
to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't
help but be reminded of the footway/cycleway situation. Is it not
possible to *tag* what we are trying to
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, you wrote:
Similar organisations exist in many countries, you might as well have
a specific tag for them, like servicemens_club or something. The
definition could be A venue providing cheap food and bingo nights in
the company of old people.
Well now it's morning, I'm
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme
tags...
I just noticed
Hi All,
Earlier this year I checked the locations of the BP Service Stations around
Coffs Harbour and found the list
hopelessly inaccurate. One station that is located south of town was listed as
located north of town,
about six kilometers north of where it actually is. There was only one
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying
to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't
help but be reminded of the
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Well now it's morning, I'm sure the correct term is licensed club eg
http://www.clubssa.com.au/
so amenity=licensed_club seems like a good idea to me
then add in the pokies, restaurants, etc in sub tags
I support this.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dieter diete...@makemetheking.com wrote:
On 09/12/2009, Steve Bennet wrote:
Does the validator plugin let you flag mistakes as ok, so that other
people don't stumble upon them?
You don't need to, as the checks are performed on live data.
In the keep right!
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I favour licenced_club because of the word association with liquor licence
and I am looking for another tag to replace amenity=pub that I have been using
and isn't the best descriptor
I like it too. I wouldn't worry about trying to
2009/12/15 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
we agree that the locations are not 100%
Which is why we're fixing the locations and then send a nice email to
BP saying we found the service stations you lost :)
but really useful things include the lists of fuels sold
Assuming their accurate :)
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I meant, if the error is not actually an error (ie, a false
positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single issue to
whole groups of issues, like unnamed roundabouts are an issue in the
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I like it too. I wouldn't worry about trying to match the legal term
used by a particular jurisdiction.
I don't particularly mind which term we use, one that is the most
common in a region/commonly known would make the most sense.
I've heard both
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc.
Example?
Steve
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I meant, if the error is not actually an error (ie, a false
positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
You can tell the plugin to ignore anything from a single
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
www.irishclub.com.au
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association.
(10,000 members of the canberra irish club...whee!)
Steve
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I meant, if the error is not actually an error (ie, a false
positive), can you flag it like
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Or particular ethnic background etc etc etc.
Example?
American Club
http://www.bestclubs.com.au/club.aspx?clubId=442
Italian Club
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association.
That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
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2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
I meant, if the error is not actually an error (ie, a false
positive), can you flag it like you can in KeepRight?
You can
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association.
That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
Um, exactly.
Steve
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association.
That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
Um, exactly.
John Smith wrote:
I don't particularly mind which term we use, one that is the most
common in a region/commonly known would make the most sense.
I've heard both the term registered and licensed clubs... *shrug*
Anyone have a preference for a particular reason?
In my experience licensed
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
Yep, cool, it says it's run by an incorporated association.
That usually means not-for-profit organisation...
Um, exactly.
Just pointing out another potential diff between existing amenity tags
(like pub, resteraunt etc) and clubs...
I couldn't
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