Re: [talk-au] [SOTM] State of country Australia poster

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 This year, the State of the Map in Girona will make use of posters (A1
 vertical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_paper_size ) for State of
 Countries. Since last year, it has been a very interesting year for
 Australia with some major imports like the boundaries and the introduction
 of Nearmap. Obviously, it would be better if someone from Australia could
 come to present it but I would be equally happy just to hang the poster for
 people to see what is happening. The printing of the poster would be done
 directly in Girona so it wouldn't be a problem if a PDF was to be sent.
 I would love to see some of you just to put a face on the names that I see
 and it is always better to meet in person.

I'm a bit confused what you're asking for. Are you asking for someone
(or someones) to produce an Australian poster? What's the deadline? Or
one has already been done, but you'd like someone Australian to
present it?

Steve

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablestyle=_default_osm_tagsarea=4687:0sort=total-show=key_values:8

 I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.

I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:45:20 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablestyle=_default_osm_tagsarea=4687:0sort=total-show=key_values:8
 
  I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.
 
 I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
 OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

Currently from tagwatch

nodes   16274
ways119647
relations 154

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Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Mapping Meetup #2 is soon!

2010-06-07 Thread David Dean
Hi everyone,

Only two weeks to go now to the next OSM Meetup, now at the exciting
new Monday night timeslot.

Please let me know if can come, and I'll be sending out another
reminder email in a week's time.

Happy mapping,

- David

On 30 May 2010 21:37, David Dean dd...@ieee.org wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 This is just a quick email to let everyone know that the second
 Brisbane Mapping Meetup is at Grange Library at 18:30 on Monday the
 21st of June. I would like to encourage as many people as possible to
 come, especially new mappers.

 This event will be a sit-down mapping meetup where we can all get
 together and talk about how to map using OSM tools, and we'll be more
 than happy to demonstrate mapping to anyone who is interested. So,
 please feel free to bring your laptops if you want to learn how to use
 JOSM/Potlatch/Meerkator or have any other OSM mapping questions. I'm
 sure we'll be able to help.

 For more details on the event, please visit
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane_Mapping_Meetups. Please
 pass this email or a link to the event page onto anyone who you think
 might be interested.

 - David

 (please let me know if you don't want these emails in future)

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Re: [talk-au] [SOTM] State of country Australia poster

2010-06-07 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 7 June 2010 07:06, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'm a bit confused what you're asking for. Are you asking for someone
 (or someones) to produce an Australian poster? What's the deadline? Or
 one has already been done, but you'd like someone Australian to
 present it?



The deadline is a few days before the State of the Map (9-11th of July). I
would like to see a poster done by the Australian community so it can be
displayed at the SOTM. Obviously, it would be better for an Australian to
present it, but if no one can come, it will be still displayed.
I am finishing a sample and I will display it soon.

Emilie Laffray
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Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you can run a script over data it could also be pre-processed in a
 similar manner without needing explicit tags on the objects.

This is true. i.e. Rather than automatically adding layer=whatever to
the DB where it's missing, leave that out of the DB and assume
corresponding defaults in the client app, when the data is read from
the DB.

Or in other words, you're not adding any useful *information* to the database.

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Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread Liz
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
  Each bridge that currently does not have a layer tag would have layer=1
  added.
 
 That will be incorrect if a bridge crosses a body of water (or other
 object) that has a layer tag other than zero. Which means some
 renderers may go from currently rendering something correctly, to
 rendering it incorrectly as a result of that change.

When putting long rivers on the map eg Darling, Bidgee, Lachlan
I routinely put the unsurveyed river at layer=-1
when i actually get there and find whether the road has a bridge, a punt or a 
ford to cross the road, then I do some changes to road and river.

So frequently a body of water will have a layer tag other than zero.

Liz

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Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:22, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
 When putting long rivers on the map eg Darling, Bidgee, Lachlan
 I routinely put the unsurveyed river at layer=-1
 when i actually get there and find whether the road has a bridge, a punt or a
 ford to cross the road, then I do some changes to road and river.

 So frequently a body of water will have a layer tag other than zero.

It's useful to set most waterway=drain to be layer=-1 to stop false
positives from showing up on keepright when they run under roads and
such. To simplify maybe it should be assumed that all waterways are
layer=-1 and any tunnels default to layer=-2, that would solve the
issue from a preprocessing point of view wouldn't it?

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2010 13:31, Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in some 
 of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo).  They may have been 
 updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial changes, but they 
 would have been originally created via survey or from Yahoo. Certainly names 
 would not have been sourced from nearmap.  Wouldn't it would make more sense 
 if the source tag was only applied to changesets?  Even that is not ideal as 
 in one changeset multiple sources could  be used, ie survey for names, 
 nearmap for layout.

The vast majority of the information I personally sourced as nearmap
has been new content, and not just in regional areas there completely
new suburbs that weren't built when yahoo imagery was taken, or I
added source:location=* tags, I disagree about only setting source as
part of the changeset tags, while nearmap imagery might be used for
locations it isn't used for naming etc.

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Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-07 Thread Neil Penman
Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in
 some of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo).  They may 
have been updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial 
changes, but they would have been originally created via survey or from 
Yahoo. Certainly names would not have been sourced from nearmap.  
Wouldn't it would make more sense if the source tag was only applied to 
changesets?  Even that is not ideal as in one changeset multiple sources
 could  be used, ie survey for names, nearmap for layout.

--- On Mon, 7/6/10, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:

From: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com
Subject: Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Received: Monday, 7 June, 2010, 6:44 PM

On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:45:20 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 7 June 2010 15:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablestyle=_default_osm_tagsarea=4687:0sort=total-show=key_values:8
 
  I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh.
 
 I think Ross reported the other week about almost 100,000 objects in
 OSM tagged with Nearmap as the source.

Currently from tagwatch

nodes    16274
ways    119647
relations 154

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Cheers
Ross

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