Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread Benjamin Ceravolo
d from that information. > > Cheers, > Thorsten > > -Original Message----- > From: cleary > Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2022 09:38 > To: OpenStreetMap > Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical > separation" > > Hello again Dian &g

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread iansteer
Thanks for the tip about the "change" tag. So here is what I've done - does it sound right? - in the section where the slip lane joins the 2-lane through road (where lanes=3), I have added: "change:lanes=not_right|not_left| " (this hopefully means that the left hand lane cannot change

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread osm.talk-au
nformation. Cheers, Thorsten -Original Message- From: cleary Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2022 09:38 To: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation" Hello again Dian If you cannot move left and a car to left of you cannot move right, t

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au
To add to the ambiguity of what physically separate means I'll highlight the roudabout joining Wonga Road and Oban Road: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-37.79463/145.24154 Here the separation between lanes is similar to a long thin speed hump - you can drive over it, but it is a

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread Luke Stewart
There are many situations in Australia where you are permitted to cross an unbroken white line (for instance, moving to a special purpose lane). The wiki is pretty unambiguous, "where traffic flows are physically separated by a barrier (e.g., grass, concrete, steel), which prevents movements

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread cleary
Hello again Dian If you cannot move left and a car to left of you cannot move right, then I would suggest you are physically separated. It does not have to be a concrete barrier one metre high to be "physical separation". Try telling a police officer or a magistrate that the unbroken painted

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 at 06:48, cleary wrote: > > Paint is physical. It can be seen. It is not just a psychological or > imaginary concept. If one is driving a motor vehicle and abiding by the > law then, in my understanding, an unbroken painted line on the road is a > physical barrier that

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread Dian Ågesson
Hi Cleary, Two points: Paint isn't a barrier. Vehicles can, and do, traverse over paint; it's legal in many cases if there is a road blockage, for example. Being unable to change lanes doesn't make a single road into two roads. If I can't merge left then I'm not travelling on a different

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread cleary
Paint is physical. It can be seen. It is not just a psychological or imaginary concept. If one is driving a motor vehicle and abiding by the law then, in my understanding, an unbroken painted line on the road is a physical barrier that cannot be traversed. On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, at 10:55 PM,

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread osm.talk-au
/way/770019512 From: nwastra Sent: Friday, 4 March 2022 22:12 To: ianst...@iinet.net.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation" Here is the osm location https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-31.988

Re: [talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread nwastra
Here is the osm location https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-31.9881/115.9857 > On 4 Mar 2022, at 9:59 pm, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: > >  > This query was triggered by the following comment in another thread, but I’ll > start a new thread so as not to distract the original. > > “

[talk-au] "Don't split ways if there is no physical separation"

2022-03-04 Thread iansteer
This query was triggered by the following comment in another thread, but I'll start a new thread so as not to distract the original. " 'Don't split ways if there is no physical separation' is one of the core tenets of highway mapping in OSM." My query is about how to correctly map an