Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-12-03 Thread Steve Bennett
retained as a rail trail, road or linear park. ** ** *From:* Matt White [mailto:mattwh...@iinet.com.au mattwh...@iinet.com.au] *Sent:* Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM *To:* 'talk-au' *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines ** ** Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-12-02 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
Abandoned makes it sounds like there are tracks in place for the length of the line, just no trains running on it. Is ruined a tag? nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged,

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-30 Thread Matt White
been retained as a rail trail, road or linear park. *From:*Matt White [mailto:mattwh...@iinet.com.au] *Sent:* Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM *To:* 'talk-au' *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line that doesn't exist, then remap the individual

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-29 Thread Matt White
the traces of an old rail line isn't historical mapping. If there are currently traces there then it's mapping the present. *From:*Steve Bennett [mailto:stevag...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:02 PM *To:* Matt White *Cc:* talk-au *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line that doesn't exist, then remap the individual pieces of track, the remaining point and weighbridge, three overhead pylon mounts, one remaining station and one cutting that

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-29 Thread Mark Rennick
park. From: Matt White [mailto:mattwh...@iinet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:31 AM To: 'talk-au' Subject: Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines Right. So if I delete the mapped rail line that doesn't exist, then remap the individual pieces of track, the remaining point

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-28 Thread Paul Norman
mapping the present. From: Steve Bennett [mailto:stevag...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:02 PM To: Matt White Cc: talk-au Subject: Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: Admin boundaries

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-26 Thread Matt White
- the simple one we use just isn't up to the task for this kind of data. It barely copes with teh actual on-the-ground info as it is. Remember segments, anyone? Matt On 26/11/2012 1:38 PM, Paul Norman wrote: From: Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com] Subject: Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Matt, The question about mapping old, historical features is much wider than just the Australian context. I'm pretty sure the current consensus is that we old rail lines should be mapped - even if there is not much to see on the ground. There might be more than you think - there's a station

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Ian Sergeant
Hi, I'm pretty sure we've reached consensus in the past that if there is absolutely no evidence of it on the ground - no tunnels - no cuttings - no tracks. In other words there was a railway line, but now it is a shopping mall, then it doesn't get mapped. We don't maintain layers of history in

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Matt White
Not sure of the original source - the rail line is in old Melways etc. and in some out of copy right maps I have. The existence of the inner circle rail line isn't really a secret. The problem for me is that it just isn't there any more (aside from the handful of things I mentioned below,

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines (Ian Steer)

2012-11-25 Thread Ian Steer
Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Historical rail lines Message-ID: 50b1b79f.4000...@iinet.net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines. The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure we've reached consensus in the past that if there is absolutely no evidence of it on the ground - no tunnels - no cuttings - no tracks. In other words there was a railway line, but now it is a shopping

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread mick
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:15:59 +1100 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines. The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne is mapped in OSM, and I'm unconvinced of it being a good thing. Here's a little bit of it that I can

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread mick
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:15:59 +1100 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines. The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne is mapped in OSM, and I'm unconvinced of it being a good thing. Here's a little bit of it that I can

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Alex Sims
On 26/11/2012 10:38 AM, mick wrote: I'm in two minds about removing 'historical' data. Yes, objects no longer visible on the ground shouldn't be rendered on the map. I've been following this discussion with interest. We do mark and should mark administrative boundaries which are not visible on

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 26 November 2012 12:36, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I've been following this discussion with interest. We do mark and should mark administrative boundaries which are not visible on the ground. Can the logic for these boundaries which be usefully extended to historical data? I

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread Paul Norman
From: Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com] Subject: Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines On 26/11/2012 10:38 AM, mick wrote: I'm in two minds about removing 'historical' data. Yes, objects no longer visible on the ground shouldn't be rendered on the map. I've been following

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread mick
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:06:27 +1030 Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: On 26/11/2012 10:38 AM, mick wrote: I'm in two minds about removing 'historical' data. Yes, objects no longer visible on the ground shouldn't be rendered on the map. I've been following this discussion with interest.

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-25 Thread mick
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:18:30 +1100 Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2012 12:36, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I don't think so. Keeping historical data in OSM is going to require a more complex model. Maybe a separate project, maybe layers, maybe something

[talk-au] Historical rail lines

2012-11-24 Thread Matt White
A question for the list regarding historical/disused rail lines. The old inner circle rail line in Melbourne is mapped in OSM, and I'm unconvinced of it being a good thing. Here's a little bit of it that I can talk about with some local knowledge of: