Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-25 Thread stev391
@openstreetmap.org Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks Stephen In regards to item 10, the photo that I have referenced is from the intersection of Granite and Abrahams tracks, which is un marked(no sign), only wheel ruts/indents in the grass to indicate

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-25 Thread forster
Thanks Stephen In regards to item 10, the photo that I have referenced is from the intersection of Granite and Abrahams tracks, which is un marked(no sign), only wheel ruts/indents in the grass to indicate the intersection. Yes, I looked there today and I can't see any signs either. If

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-24 Thread stev391
the access/use requirements are. Stephen. Sent:Monday, August 24, 2015 at 2:52 PM From:fors...@ozonline.com.au To:talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Hi all Thanks for the delay while I contacted Parks Vic. Parks Vic have confirmed

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-23 Thread forster
Hi all Thanks for the delay while I contacted Parks Vic. Parks Vic have confirmed that Ant Trail is closed to the public for all uses as is the trail at https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-37.93253/145.30901 stev391 proposed that my edit should be reverted as he says: (1) The track is

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-21 Thread tshrub
fors...@ozonline.com.au schrieb: Hi What (if any) is the correct tagging for unauthorised trails in national and state parks? For example, Ant Track https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-37.92599/145.32051 I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-12 Thread forster
Hi all I only got to speak briefly with the Head Ranger today. I request a further week delay in the decision on the tagging of Ant Trail. Thanks Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread Warin
Agree with most things you said Stev... But for the copyright map thing. 'We' should not be using copyright maps for anything in OSM. I do use copyright maps .. usually for planning trips ... along with OSM or course. Once the trip is completed I use my trip generated knowledge to add/improve

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread stev391
I agree David, Hence why these tracks were left just as highway=path Stephen. Sent:Monday, August 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM From:David Clark dbcl...@fastmail.com.au To:talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks I come acrosssimilar

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread forster
...@obviously.com TO: fors...@ozonline.com.au CC: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org SUBJECT: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks It physically exists, and therefore I view it as legitimate in OSM. But access=no is not quite the right twist on things.It really belongs to a much larger

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread David Clark
@openstreetmaptalk-au@openstreetmap.org SUBJECT: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks  It physically exists, and therefore I view it as legitimate in OSM. But access=no is not quite the right twist on things.It really belongs to a much larger category of unofficial

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread forster
SOMEONE (PARK RANGER) SAID TO LIMIT THEIR LEGAL LIABILITY. STEPHEN. SENT: Friday, August 07, 2015 at 10:51 AM FROM: Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com TO: fors...@ozonline.com.au CC: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org SUBJECT: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks It physically

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-09 Thread Stephen Backway
)). Thanks. Stephen. Sent:Monday, August 10, 2015 at 12:25 PM From:fors...@ozonline.com.au To:stev...@email.com Cc:talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks stev391 and others for the feedback and the welcome. Re real world

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-08-03 Thread forster
, however the original author might. These are just my views, always happy to consider other views. Steve. -Original message- Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015 at 03:52:28 From: fors...@ozonline.com.au To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-31 Thread forster
...@ozonline.com.au To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks for the replies The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked off. Parks Vic prefers light handed regulation so I used mild language to describe the track status. http

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-30 Thread stev391
: Thursday, 30 July 2015 at 03:52:28 From: fors...@ozonline.com.au To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks for the replies The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked off. Parks Vic prefers light handed regulation so I used mild

[talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread forster
Hi What (if any) is the correct tagging for unauthorised trails in national and state parks? For example, Ant Track https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-37.92599/145.32051 I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create additional trails and only use

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Warin
On 30/07/2015 10:20 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi What (if any) is the correct tagging for unauthorised trails in national and state parks? For example, Ant Track https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-37.92599/145.32051 I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Andrew Davidson
If the path exists then shouldn't it be tagged access=no + foot=yes?  From:fors...@ozonline.com.au fors...@ozonline.com.au Date:Thu, 30 Jul, 2015 at 11:53 Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks for the replies The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread David Clark
I lean towards mapping what's physically there, so if the trail exists I think it's ok to map it if you want to. If the trail is blocked by a fence/barrier and signage saying keep out etc, then I think access=no would be appropriate as it's facts based on what's physically there. I also

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread David Clark
The access issues get very murchy very quickly. We have a Forestry area that is clearly signposted for bikes to stick to vehicle tracks, however for 10 years or more Forestry has sponsored volunteer mountain bikers to build and maintain trails in this area. Go figure. Parks have a category for

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Brett Russell
Hi We have much the same issue with walking tracks and old surveying/mining roads is Tasmania. Parks has played a very dominating roll with Tasmapi it is actually dangerous as you can be standing on a made road/track and as it does not appear on the map you can get confused and lost. Also

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 30 July 2015 at 11:52, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked off. Parks Vic prefers light handed regulation so I used mild language to describe the track status.

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/29/2015 6:52 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Possibly tag it access=no and rename it to Track closed depending on how widely the name Ant Track is known. It may be known as Ant Track by a very small group of riders. The name might not be Ant Track, but it's almost certainly not Track

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 30 July 2015 at 10:20, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create additional trails and only use official trails. They would prefer if such unofficial trails were not mapped or named because it implies official status to