Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Collinson
FYI, Franc was kind enough to let me have a copy of his original Perl import script. Email me if you want a copy. However, and I think Franc would agree, I understand it has really been superceded by the capabilities of ogr2osm. Emilie Laffray said to me in email, If it is done properly

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-19 Thread Ken Self
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries FYI, Franc was kind enough to let me have a copy of his original Perl import script. Email me if you want a copy. However, and I think Franc would agree, I understand it has really been superceded by the capabilities

[talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-18 Thread Anthony
Hello all, I would like to ask what the status of the suburb boundaries is? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data user pnorman (on IRC) has offered to import this data if nobody knows how to do it___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2012-09-18 Thread Ken Self
I've been manually loading up the suburb and LGA boundaries in Victoria from ABS 2011. Figured that would be quicker than waiting for everyone to reach a consensus on how to automate it and means it gets done properly In doing a manual load I am ensuring the boundaries share common boundaries with

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 February 2010 17:32, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you mean that *editors* should be improved to help prevent these accidents? (which I think is an excellent idea) Considering the types of editing wars that could happen over international borders, I wasn't suggesting

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 February 2010 17:38, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Yes, if we can get editing software to co-operate rather than getting persons licensed that could be helpful Any particular ideas on how to phrase this for enhancement requests? I did make a suggestion about a potlatch tutorial

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 17:32 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Perhaps admin boundaries need to be locked from editing until people have a certain amount of mapping under their belt and/or ask for the ability to add/edit/delete admin

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 February 2010 18:27, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: And now Perth has gone under water: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.901lon=115.835zoom=10layers=B000FTF That was cached, I forced the server to regenerate the tile and it no longer shows that much blue.

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-15 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote: That was cached, I forced the server to regenerate the tile and it no longer shows that much blue. Perth's the one I hadn't tried regenerating reloading. Any thoughts on the other two, further south? John H ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-14 Thread Arie Paap
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2010 17:57, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I have no idea.  But there are problems with the coastline in that area (and further south) at certain zoom levels.  I've been looking for the source of

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 February 2010 17:57, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I have no idea. But there are problems with the coastline in that area (and further south) at certain zoom levels. I've been looking for the source of the problems for a while, without luck and without changing anything. You

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-11 Thread Arie Paap
I'm making some progress fixing up Perth suburb boundaries - honestly I'm finding it painful to untangle some of the changes, but I'm getting there. Looking further South I came across the relation for Burekup which was missing some of it's boundaries. OK, I think, I'll undelete the ways and it'll

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-11 Thread John Henderson
Arie Paap wrote: I'm making some progress fixing up Perth suburb boundaries - honestly I'm finding it painful to untangle some of the changes, but I'm getting there. Looking further South I came across the relation for Burekup which was missing some of it's boundaries. OK, I think, I'll

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Arie Paap
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: While adding postcodes it looks like some people have incorrectly joined boundaries together, to make a single way for a stream/road etc, this has broken suburb boundaries in various areas. I emailed Franc the other

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 18:02, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know if the .osm files with suburb data are available somewhere. I have found the postcode files useful but they're missing some of the boundaries where a two suburbs have the same postcode and of course there aren't

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Arie Paap
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 February 2010 18:02, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to know if the .osm files with suburb data are available somewhere. I have found the postcode files useful but they're missing some of the

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 19:35, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions how to recreate the relations which have been deleted? I can manually put back most of the information but the Are you sure the relation has been deleted? I've noticed a lot of suburb relations damaged by

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Liz
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 February 2010 19:35, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions how to recreate the relations which have been deleted? I can manually put back most of the information but the Are you sure the relation has been deleted? I've

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Arie Paap
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 February 2010 19:35, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have suggestions how to recreate the relations which have been deleted? I can manually put back most of the information

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 February 2010 10:13, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't used Merkaartor but I presume it presents relations in a way similar to JOSM which is what I've been using. The specific example I'm looking at is Hamersley, see

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread edodd
I haven't used Merkaartor but I presume it presents relations in a way similar to JOSM which is what I've been using. You can make it show big blue dotted lines on the map in a rectangle around the extreme points in the relation, or turn it off and not be alarmed by big blue dotted lines going

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Arie Paap
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:27 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2010 10:13, Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't used Merkaartor but I presume it presents relations in a way similar to JOSM which is what I've been using. The specific example I'm looking at

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-10 Thread Arie Paap
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:27 PM, ed...@billiau.net wrote: You can make it show big blue dotted lines on the map in a rectangle around the extreme points in the relation, or turn it off and not be alarmed by big blue dotted lines going everywhere.. If the relation has been renamed you could

[talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread John Smith
While adding postcodes it looks like some people have incorrectly joined boundaries together, to make a single way for a stream/road etc, this has broken suburb boundaries in various areas. I emailed Franc the other day for a copy of osm files converted from the original shape file, but in the

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
2009/12/22 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. That would assume I have total control over other peoples

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread John Smith
2009/12/22 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Draw another way beside it or something but make sure you don't accidently delete them. When making postcode boundaries I'm starting to really agree with you, people using roads especially make a complete mess of things at times and you can't easily

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. I don't get it. If I join another way

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread John Smith
2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. I suggest asking the authors of JOSM/Potlatch/... to put in an option to hide

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Franc Carter
One possible approach to this that I believe will solve the more general case of this is the ability to move selected items to a new layer, which you can then hide cheers On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Darrin Smith
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:29:52 +1030 Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:46:44 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] * Gruyere and

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi Franc, Great job. One thing I've noticed, in my area anyway (Whitsundays), is that it's given the outlines of some of the national parks. Cape Conway NP but not Dryander NP. So these could be updated as part of the relation as well. Having said that what would be the best way to go about

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
[snip] That made a serious difference the the speed of things, wow. Yep, latency is really nasty for this sort of thing Now to resolve the differences between my own boundary work and the ABS stuff in northern adelaide, and at a first glance I must say I'm glad I told you to upload

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
[snip] Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of everyone on this case? Is it really needed? (I assume it's just a category in the

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Darrin Smith
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:38:40 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Futher poking around I've found the 'Unclassified SA' 'suburb', containing over 100 segments scattered all over the state, I assume most other states will have a similar object, what's the thoughts of

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
Yep, sounds like a sensible approach. I'm inclined towards leaving them in and adding a tag as deleting them feels like 'information loss', which I have biases against . . . . cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:38:40 +1100

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread James Andrewartha
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:46 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). Are the suburbs rendered, or do they only show up in an editor like JOSM? James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
Boundaries are rendered on mapnik and osmarender as far as I know cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM, James Andrewartha tr...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 11:46 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). Are

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Liz
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Franc Carter wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] thanks for letting us know its finished. my area is very bad - whether this is the council's fault or ABS fault I don't know, but the suburb

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
oops, not to the list On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.comwrote: I'm in the inner west of Sydney and am find that the boundaries are only *mostly correct* - so i'm not too surprised that outside the main cities they are a worse. Hopefully on a country wide

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Franc Carter
Glad to see not all of NSW has been incorporated ;-) cheers On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Franc Carter wrote: I noticed a small number of those in NSW and decided to ignore them and just put them, that might have been a bad idea NSW

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-08 Thread Narelle Irvine
The Dept of Lands database was said to be 94% correct in 2007 and improving. Most of their errors relate to the house numbers on a street, and I would assume that their suburb boundaries are correct. This data should take precendence over ABS data. Regards, Narelle. 2009/3/8 Franc Carter

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-08 Thread Franc Carter
I assumed it is copyrighted however, so not a valid source for OSM ;-( On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Narelle Irvine narelle.irv...@gmail.comwrote: The Dept of Lands database was said to be 94% correct in 2007 and improving. Most of their errors relate to the house numbers on a street, and

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-08 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. 2009/3/8 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com I assumed it is copyrighted however, so not a valid source for OSM ;-( Yes I agree. Given the complicated nature of the boundary in this area (according to the Lands dept) I don't think copying their data without permission is a good idea (and

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-07 Thread Darrin Smith
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:51:35 +1100 b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Hi all, It's really nice to see suburb boundaries popping up around the place, it just makes the map look that little bit more professional. Yeah it is isn't it, Franc has done some nice work. There seems to be some naming

[talk-au] suburb boundaries import - Darwin quirk

2009-03-07 Thread Jeff Price
To: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 6 March, 2009 6:38:47 AM Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import I only have the licensing contact - I will follow up with her and see if I can get a content person. cheers On Fri, Mar 6

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-07 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. For NSW the Lands Department's Geospatial Portal http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb boundaries in the cadastral layer. Of the area in question, where the ABS shows the boundary going neatly down the middle of my street, the NSW Lands Department shows the boundary between 1 street

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import - Darwin quirk

2009-03-07 Thread Franc Carter
. -- *From:* Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com *To:* Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com *Cc:* OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Friday, 6 March, 2009 6:38:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import I only have the licensing

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-07 Thread b . schulz . 10
another free source of this data. I wonder what the legality is of reading lots of sources then just plonking source=knowledge in there. Brent (Biogenesis_) - Original Message - From: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:48 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron
...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:48 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Hi. For NSW the Lands Department's Geospatial Portal http://gsp.maps.nsw.gov.au/ can show suburb

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-05 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data disagrees with commonly known boundaries? I don't know why I didn't notice this when I previewed the data, but the ABS data shows the boundary for my suburb going right down the middle of my street (when I believe it to be

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-05 Thread Franc Carter
I only have the licensing contact - I will follow up with her and see if I can get a content person. cheers On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Any thoughts on how to work out the real boundary when the ABS data disagrees with commonly known

[talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-02 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi Franc, I've just noticed that the ABS boundary going straight up Wagonga Inlet (at Narooma) doesn't have a relation associated with it. The boundaries of Bungendore and Tarago look pretty good although there may be a bit of a gap bwtween them. The ones done in ACT so far look spot on

[talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-02 Thread Nick Hocking
PS This is a very big suburb but it appears that it may not have completed correctly since the bit just North of Tuross Heads has all the nodes in place but the ways aren't there. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Thread b . schulz . 10
You ripper! How long are we looking at for the whole import? - Original Message - From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 1:43 pm Subject: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org talk-au@openstreetmap.org Is now running, please

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Thread Franc Carter
writing, I should be asleep. - Original Message - From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Thread Franc Carter
of extraction from a perl hash table which is effectively random cheers Apologies for the disjointed writing, I should be asleep. - Original Message - From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: b.schulz

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-03-01 Thread Cameron
: Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries import To: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Quite a while going on the current rate. The estimate from bulk_upload is 647 hours - but the estimate is still not particularly stable. cheers

[talk-au] suburb boundaries import

2009-02-28 Thread Franc Carter
Is now running, please leave anything with source=ABS_2006 alone until the import is complete cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-02-25 Thread Andrew Laughton
Suburb boundaries would not move that often, if that is all that is available, I vote to put it in. On 25/02/2009, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: The data will be tagged as reviewed=no to indicate that a person has no confirmed that it is 'correct'. In the case if the Suburb

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-02-25 Thread Franc Carter
I know very little about the rendering, but I would suspect not. each boundary is going to divide two suburbs and may of them are quite short - so I would expect that representing them on a generic map is quite difficult to do. cheers On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Luke Woolley

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-02-25 Thread Darrin Smith
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:50:20 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: I know very little about the rendering, but I would suspect not. each boundary is going to divide two suburbs and may of them are quite short - so I would expect that representing them on a generic map is quite

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-02-25 Thread Darrin Smith
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:33:09 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Nice. Do you want me to try to exclude some suburbs so as to not overlay the areas you have already done ? Nah, there's only about a dozen that I've got fully completed and they're all close enough together I'll

Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-02-24 Thread Franc Carter
The data will be tagged as reviewed=no to indicate that a person has no confirmed that it is 'correct'. In the case if the Suburb boundaries I doubt it is actually possible to confirm the majority of the data 'on the ground' as their is no magical line on the ground. The data that will be

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-17 Thread Sam Couter
BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: I also like Jack's suggestion on name old_name, plus the is_in tag. +1 for the is_in tag from me, definitely with , Australia appended. My reasons are pretty selfish - My choice of GPS software is Navit and it requires the is_in tag to search for towns.

[talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-16 Thread Franc Carter
Ok, it seems my conversion script is now producing sane results so it's time to work out what the final output should look like. The first question that I think we need to answer is, how do we represent the data in OSM, there appears to be 3 options:- 1. Closed ways 2. Relations 3.

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-16 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:09:15 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, it seems my conversion script is now producing sane results so it's time to work out what the final output should look like. The first question that I think we need to answer is, how do we represent the data

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-16 Thread b . schulz . 10
, 2009 10:10 pm Subject: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Ok, it seems my conversion script is now producing sane results so it's time to work out what the final output should look like. The first question that I think we need

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries - getting close

2009-02-16 Thread BlueMM
Franc Carter franc.car...@... writes: Ok, it seems my conversion script is now producing sane results so it's time to work out what the final output should look like. The first question that I think we need to answer is, how do we represent the data in OSM, there appears to be 3 options:-   

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-14 Thread Franc Carter
A quick update. David Dean found a bug, which I am working on. I'll let you know once I have a fix. cheers On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.comwrote: After some nashing of teeth and swearing I have script that converts the ABS data in to a set of

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-13 Thread Darrin Smith
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:21:11 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have a think about whether can I work out something clever to see how well postcode boundaries match suburb boundaries. I suspect I am not going to be able to process both the suburb and post code data

[talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-12 Thread Franc Carter
After some nashing of teeth and swearing I have script that converts the ABS data in to a set of non-overlapping ways with some minimal info on the ways. I'd like some volunteers who I can give some subset of the data to (name your subrubs/areas) to have a look over and see if it 'looks ok' (i.e

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-12 Thread David Dean
Franc, I'd be happy to look at the suburb data for Brisbane. Send it my way. - David Franc Carter-2 wrote: After some nashing of teeth and swearing I have script that converts the ABS data in to a set of non-overlapping ways with some minimal info on the ways. I'd like some

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-12 Thread Darrin Smith
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:44:50 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: After some nashing of teeth and swearing I have script that converts the ABS data in to a set of non-overlapping ways with some minimal info on the ways. I'd like some volunteers who I can give some subset of the

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-07 Thread James Andrewartha
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 19:30 +1030, Darrin Smith wrote: Of course I only found out recently not only does S.A. have Hundreds as a land administration boundary but they also have Counties. Of course sourcing that information for a free source could be extremely tricky :D

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, BlueMM wrote: Apparently there was a big push for unification of suburb postcode boundaries a few years back by the governmental spatial agencies. I believe it hasn't been completed, parts of NT didn't correspond. we have one postcode here for many places - 8 distinct

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-05 Thread Jack Burton
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 21:16 +1030, Darrin Smith wrote: Futher to this I was looking back through this thread (thinking maybe about having a look at the data myself) and I James said: It's described as These boundaries have been based upon localities gazetted by the Geographic Place name

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-05 Thread Franc Carter
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.comwrote: How much do suburbs change anyway? Perhaps any changes could simply be introduced manually. ~Cameron I suspect this is true, changing large numbers of suburbs sounds unlikely. If we had suddenly had a new set of

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-05 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:23:07 +1030 Jack Burton j...@saosce.com.au wrote: Consider two suburbs, A B, whose boundary is currently defined by a river. Now let's say that by the time the next ABS update occurs, that boundary has changed, and a small part of what used to be suburb A has become

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-05 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:53:01 +1030 Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: How much do suburbs change anyway? Perhaps any changes could simply be introduced manually. ~Cameron Yeah I did think that might be an easier solution, I was addressing automatic updates because jackb brought

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Franc Carter
I just had a conversation with a really helpful person at the ABS. She indicated that the ABS is taking a view of the data that is very similar/compatible with (at least my understanding) the view that OpenStreetMap is taking towards the data. Specifically she indicated that the ABS was not

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:26:13 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: There are two issues that I have come across with converting to osm:- 1. What way do we want to represent the data, e.g closed ways or relations consisting of borders - something else ? I'd personally

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:52:43 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: From a 'philosophical point of view', I tend to agree that suburbs are made of a set of boundaries between adjacent areas. This was not how I did it in my first (very quick) attempt ;-( An advantage of having to

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Franc Carter
I did some basic sanity checking in my quick script and there is a lot of points that are doubled up (i.e have the same lat/lon) which indicates that the data does form sensible/consistent boundaries. My 'intuition' is that the shape=boundary problem is solvable, I'll just need to put some

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Jack Burton
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 14:26 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: I just had a conversation with a really helpful person at the ABS. She indicated that the ABS is taking a view of the data that is very similar/compatible with (at least my understanding) the view that OpenStreetMap is taking towards the

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:29:39 +1030 Jack Burton j...@saosce.com.au wrote: 1. What way do we want to represent the data, e.g closed ways or relations consisting of borders - something else ? Closed ways (areas) - as that's how ABS define them, so it will make merging updated ABS data

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-02-04 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:18:53 +1030 Jack Burton j...@saosce.com.au wrote: But I'm still not a fan of relations for suburb boundaries - even more so, now that we know that the authoritative set for Australia (the ABS data) is organised as a set of polygons (one for each suburb), since we'll

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-30 Thread James Churchill
Franc Carter franc.car...@... writes: While putting together an email for this I came across an issue. Currently OSM is Creative Commons licensed which looks pretty compatible with their license (ignoring the practicalities of attribution). However the license is being discussed at the moment

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-29 Thread Franc Carter
While putting together an email for this I came across an issue. Currently OSM is Creative Commons licensed which looks pretty compatible with their license (ignoring the practicalities of attribution). However the license is being discussed at the moment and may well soon change and/or split.

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-24 Thread Franc Carter
I'm happy to follow this up with the ABS if no-one else has done so yet. cheers On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Well, this is the copyright info displayed on the ABS website, which states that the data appears to be under the Creative Commons

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-23 Thread James Churchill
Ben Kelley ben.kel...@... writes: Hi. No I haven't found a good source of boundaries. The cadastral layer for the NSW Lands Department geospatial portal probably has them, but I'm not sure of the licensing issues. - Ben. On 1/12/09, Franc Carter franc.car...@... wrote: Hi Ben,

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-23 Thread Peter Ross
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:26 AM, James Churchill pel...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at the data that the Australian Bureau of Statistics publishes? It's free to download (apparently all the ABS publications have been since '05), and includes a dataset of suburb boundaries. It's

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-23 Thread James Churchill
Peter Ross pe...@... writes: I can't find the copyright on this data, can someone supply a link? Pete Looks like it's CC licensed; here's a link: http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/4a256353001af3ed4b2562bb00121564/70353d5dd53b0e2dca257522001e996c!OpenDocument - James

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-23 Thread Luke Woolley
Well, this is the copyright info displayed on the ABS website, which states that the data appears to be under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Australia http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/au/ licence which means we can copy, distribute, transmit and/or remix the data as long as it is

[talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-11 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to mark suburb boundaries (in areas that have them)? The closest thing I can find is boundary=administrative at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:boundary but I haven't seen this used anywhere. London uses this to mark boroughs (equivalent to council

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-11 Thread Franc Carter
Hi Ben, have you managed to find a good source of boundaries for NSW ? cheers On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to mark suburb boundaries (in areas that have them)? The closest thing I can find is

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-11 Thread Franc Carter
That's a shame. A couple of years ago I had an email conversation with someone from the Lands Department and got permission to 'Derive Suburb Boundaries' - however when I thought about the conversation more deeply I came to the conclusion that it probably wasn't ok as he had probably got a bogus

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-01-11 Thread Jack Burton
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 17:06 +1030, Darrin Smith wrote: [On the single area option] Personally I think that is still the best approach (the only downside I can see with it would be if a suburb was not defined by a closed area - although I'd imagine that would be quite rare). However,

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