Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread john whelan
If the data had been left tagged as not CT then OSM would have deleted it in 2012. The only difference would be that any edits you made from now to then would also be deleted. Your concerns should be brought to OSM's attention. If they have a way of deleting my edits that doesn't impact your

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Jonathan Crowe
John is missing the point, perhaps deliberately. He hasn't listened to a thing we've said. He's just justifying and rationalizing his original decision. There's no point in discussing this any further. He doesn't get it and he never will. We're wasting time here. Treat his edits as vandalism and

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread john whelan
Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. Virtual ban When a contributor is subject to a 'virtual ban' (see notes above) then all their past work may be removed and all new work will be reverted without review until they possibly contact the Data Working Group and request a review of

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier, Jonathan Crowe said, but JW messed up the attribution: Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly. I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. So you are happy to be known as a vandal,

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Frank Steggink
On 11-06-07 06:31 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed. So you are happy to be known as a vandal, in order to ... Why? That seems odd. He wants his data removed, and he

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread G. Michael Carter
OK curiosity is getting the better of me. What's the issue? Why the sudden panic attack to remove data? (I must probably missed that part :) What's wrong with CT/ODbL? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread john whelan
To recap: The objective of moving to ODBL is to give a stronger legal position for the database. This position can be undermined if any included data has not been directly created by a mapper in the field. In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't have the rights

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Singer
In my edits I have included at least one bus stop from GTFS data, I don't have the rights to license it under CC-by-ODBL. At the time it was done my expectation was that this information would become available under CC-by-SA in the short term this has not happened. I have included

[Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec

2011-06-07 Thread James A. Treacy
Hello, Is it allowed to have wetland outside of land? A good example, is in tile 040J03.3 where there is an island called Bois Blanc Island in canvec (I've also seen it referred to as Boblo Island). Most of the island is a single inner way but there is wetland connected to the island outside of

Re: [Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec

2011-06-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:48 PM, James A. Treacy tre...@debian.org wrote: Hello, Is it allowed to have wetland outside of land? I don't know. I think it depends on how your definitions match for the extent of the wetland vs. the extent of the other water body. Certainly tidal water can be

Re: [Talk-ca] wetlands in canvec

2011-06-07 Thread James A. Treacy
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:29:43PM -0400, Bégin, Daniel wrote: Bonjour James, A wetland outside of land is allowed in Canvec and in Osm... See http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.63532lon=-73.4594zoom=15layers=M The wetland spreads each side of the coastline feature Thanks. That is

[Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P

2011-06-07 Thread James A. Treacy
Hello, I believe I am looking for a subtile of 040P but the directory ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is empty. This brings up a related point: Is there a web page that makes it easy to find the tile you want? A mashup would be ideal. I took a quick look at the openstreetmap

Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P

2011-06-07 Thread Nakor Osm
I personally use http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/browse.do?produit=cdeddecoupage=50kmap=canada Also ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is populated fine for me. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P

2011-06-07 Thread Bégin , Daniel
Bonjour James, When I clik on the link you provide I can see all expected 040PXX files (the directory is not empty). May be you are trying to access them through http? Have a look at http://geogratis.gc.ca/geogratis/en/faq.html#q4 We don't have the ressources to provide the community with

Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P

2011-06-07 Thread James A. Treacy
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 04:25:09PM -0400, Nakor Osm wrote: I personally use http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/browse.do?produit=cdeddecoupage=50kmap=canada Also ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is populated fine for me. Wow. It hasn't worked for a week for me and it just worked

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Samuel Longiaru
Hate to jump in where it's not wanted but... Just wondering if there is some kind of middle ground solution here. John clearly does not feel comfortable with having his imports in the database and so has removed them. Not something we would like to see happen too often, but it has happened. Is

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Gordon Dewis
The reverting has already begun. I have looked at some of the features deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. -Original Message- From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread john whelan
some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them. But why would that surprise you? The objective was to remove dubious data from the database not to delete anything else. Cheerio John On 7 June 2011 17:37, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote: The reverting has already

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread Gordon Dewis
I am surprised that you removed a feature that was 100% not connected with you in any way. -Original Message- From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:32:11 To: gor...@pinetree.org Cc: Samuel Longiarulongi...@shaw.ca; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?

2011-06-07 Thread john whelan
A bug in JOSM? It's a fair chunk of code that has been added to over the years so practically no one person really fully understands the code any more. Bit like the old IBM operating systems on average they used to add a bug practically every time they updated to take a bug out. The selection

Re: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P

2011-06-07 Thread Paul Norman
From: James A. Treacy [mailto:tre...@debian.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] NTS tile 040P Hello, I believe I am looking for a subtile of 040P but the directory ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub/040/P/ is empty. This brings up