Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Hi all, I have now made the edit at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_tagging_guidelines=revision=1907677=1898100 and I saw that Matthew has edited a few of the more prominent examples already. Thanks! --Jarek On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 17:09, Matthew Darwin wrote: > > Hi,

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Hi, It sounds fine for me. On 2019-09-10 7:54 a.m., john whelan wrote: Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it. Cheerio John On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca,

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it. Cheerio John On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, < talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Cela semble bien préciser, mais les

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Hi Pierre, (I responded via email at first, but realized one more thing, so adding on and sending to talk-ca:) The proposed wiki addition does start with "In Ontario". However thanks bringing this up, as I realized I forgot to account for parts of Ontario where streets will be named in French -

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

> Street names displayed on signs and outlined in official documents should > >> match the authorized spelling of the road name. For street names beginning > >> with Saint, the abbreviated spelling is correct. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > &

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

mits to it being an "abbreviated spelling") but I just wanted > to throw his response out there. > > Tristan > > > > From: Nate Wessel > Sent: March 15, 2019 1:42 PM > To: Jarek Piórkowski > Cc: talk-ca > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario &

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Interesting! I didn't mean to imply that etymology should be decisive, but that linking the name to the history of some beatified person would help explain the origin of the 'St'... In this case, seemingly supporting the abbreviation, but also referencing an actual 'saint' or two at the same

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

I'm of the opinion that what the city says goes. We used that in Ottawa with things such as rue Slater rather than Rue Slater which I understand is more normal in Quebec. Cheerio John On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:19 PM Jarek Piórkowski, wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 at 13:02, Nate Wessel wrote: >

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 at 13:02, Nate Wessel wrote: > Don't forget about the various alternative naming tags like alt_name=*, > short_name=*, loc_name=*, and also name:etymology=* to make things absolutely > clear. > > Having either spelling in one of these alternatives as appropriate would >

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

On 15/03/2019 16:58, Martin Chalifoux via Talk-ca wrote: The word is definitely Saint. St is a contraction and neither proper English or French. I can't comment about Canadian English, but "St" in a placename in British English is perfectly OK - St Albans is correct; "Saint Albans" is not.

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

I agree with Jarek, St. should generally not be expanded for English Canadian street names. The proper spelling is St. (or St) even if the pronunciation is Saint. name:pronunciation ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name:pronunciation) is a tag that can capture the pronunciation, if

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No, I'm referring to the official records of street names held by municipalities. In many cases, at least in newer developments, they seem to be abbreviated. If it's officially short form then it would be incorrect to say it's Saint. --- Kevin Farrugia On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:08 PM Martin

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I think the osm database should use proper words. Abbreviating is a rendering issue and many rendering engines can do that. Space constraints on signage dictate the use of abbreviations for those. > On Mar 15, 2019, at 12:50, Kevin Farrugia wrote: > > Hi Jarek, > > I agree that of the

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

However, the street name is legally "St." in almost all cases, so saint is wrong. --- Kevin Farrugia On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 1:00 PM Martin Chalifoux via Talk-ca < talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > The word is definitely Saint. St is a contraction and neither proper > English or French. It

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Don't forget about the various alternative naming tags like alt_name=* , short_name=* , loc_name=*, and also name:etymology=* to make

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

The word is definitely Saint. St is a contraction and neither proper English or French. It has the same Latin roots as sanctification and similar words. Similarly Av is a contraction for Avenue and not a word. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviation > On Mar 15, 2019, at 12:42, Jarek

Re: [Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Hi Jarek, I agree that of the sign has a short form for saint then it should be that way on the map too, as the sign text comes from the official records of street names. I think St. Is better with a period as it makes it less ambiguous to it being an abbreviation and it may help screen readers

[Talk-ca] Saints in street names in Ontario

Hi all, A couple of months back we established a consensus [1] that "St." in Canadian English city names should not be expanded. I have been thinking of having the same for street names, and would like to ask people's opinions. My main motivation is St. Clair Avenue in Toronto. Every city