Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Matthew Darwinwrote: > I'm all for using the wiki, just want to consider the maintenance effort of > keeping the tasking manager in sync with the wiki. If someone wants to do > that, so much the better! Wikis can get stale quickly without someone(s) to > actively look at doing updates, like you're doing. Right, except the BC2020 wiki has gone from zero to two links. One link is enough (per sub-project, not tiles within a sub-project) to enter the Tasking Manager's "front door." Yet "this" (Task 100, Ottawa - Validate Addresses and Split Terraces) hasn't had ANY link to the wiki (nor the Tasking Manager in general). And that wiki is "only" for BC2020, yet Canada-wide. It seems the Tasking Manager site, countrywide, and Canadian WikiProjects might enjoy a little harmony and organization. And we just did, putting two links in one wiki. More, later, in other (Canadian-based WikiProjects and the Canadian Tasking Manager) wikis? Sounds good. Not being local, I can't effectively do that, but others can, and I believe it will help. A little bit of organization and project (links, wikis, mapping work...) connectivity (intra-OSM, as it were) goes a long way. Nice working with you! > Keep up the great work. Thanks, you and BC2020 (and Canadians OSMers and all of OSM and all the little children...), too. SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
> There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if you are > so inclined to add them. Is that the best way to go? or people can check > the task manager for projects in their area of interest? (new tasks can be > easily added to the task manager... just ask!) I sort of feel a need to just shut the heck up and let others post "communications about the WikiProject" (like OSM-TM links) TO the WikiProject (wiki). That is all. Keep the communication up and in the wiki rather than in "walled gardens" of "happen to know somebody" or "walled garden." It's OSM, after all. We use other forms of communication, but on a national project of scope this large, we can (and should and do) use the wiki. Zippin' it closed for a while, SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
Hi Steve, I'm all for using the wiki, just want to consider the maintenance effort of keeping the tasking manager in sync with the wiki. If someone wants to do that, so much the better! Wikis can get stale quickly without someone(s) to actively look at doing updates, like you're doing. Keep up the great work. On 2018-01-25 11:51 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if you are so inclined to add them. Is that the best way to go? or people can check the task manager for projects in their area of interest? (new tasks can be easily added to the task manager... just ask!) I sort of feel a need to just shut the heck up and let others post "communications about the WikiProject" (like OSM-TM links) TO the WikiProject (wiki). That is all. Keep the communication up and in the wiki rather than in "walled gardens" of "happen to know somebody" or "walled garden." It's OSM, after all. We use other forms of communication, but on a national project of scope this large, we can (and should and do) use the wiki. Zippin' it closed for a while, SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
Hi Steve, There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if you are so inclined to add them. Is that the best way to go? or people can check the task manager for projects in their area of interest? (new tasks can be easily added to the task manager... just ask!) On 2018-01-25 11:39 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Matthew Darwinwrote: I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing the buildings. The City import only had urban buildings. Since the city of Ottawa is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still to do. See http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100 See, now, like that: I put these links into WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020. (Where they belong, he suggest humbly). I mean, I'm glad I learned about that here, as talk-ca seems an appropriate place to learn that. Yet our wiki updated with those links took me about twenty seconds of cut-and-paste. Yeah! SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Matthew Darwinwrote: > I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing the > buildings. The City import only had urban buildings. Since the city of > Ottawa is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still to do. See > http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and > http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100 See, now, like that: I put these links into WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020. (Where they belong, he suggest humbly). I mean, I'm glad I learned about that here, as talk-ca seems an appropriate place to learn that. Yet our wiki updated with those links took me about twenty seconds of cut-and-paste. Yeah! SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Matthew Darwinwrote: > I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really. There is nobody really > driving this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests we should have a > steering committee). Every time I see email sent to the original > distribution list of people invited to the meeting last September, I suggest > the conversation continue here, but never really does.(there is no > conversation really) Thank you for your response, Matthew! > What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested this was a > good idea? What are they doing to contribute? I have no idea. Well, somebody (besides me) is writing (and wrote) wiki. Maybe it is becoming an "orphaned" project? That would be a shame, it has such potential and respectable growth so far, it just looks a bit like a freshly-built ship without a rudder. I think it has potential and momentum, the framework is there, a good pilot project in Ottawa seeds it well. Looks like a "call out" to "agencies" and such takes some time for throats to be cleared and such and "hm, yeah, we're working on that, too." OK, that happens. In a day, in a week, in a month, after a quarter. Clearly, it's early days in BC2020. Shout out?! (By me, here, now?) Oh, a-a-agencies? Anybody interested? There, that oughta do it. :-) > Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on improving OSM > in the City of Ottawa. (http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin). My > focus is roads geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting > info from the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then > addresses (in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I will make > the tooling I've worked on available as open source, and then do work on > buildings. I say it as necessary (it can be frequently): OSM is a medium-term to longer-term project, especially with large-ish, regional/national/continental-sized sub-projects like WikiProject BC2020. What I certainly don't want to happen is somebody gets "chased off" (whether by "I haven't the time" or "I don't stand tall enough to ride the ride" or many other reasons) and the whole initiative goes "poof." It birthed as a brilliant flare and now toddles along. If I may humbly say to the dear readers here: I see many green lights ahead on BC2020. There are some pesky obstacles like licensing and a good Import Plan (the Ottawa seed is a good start) but those do get resolved over the medium- and longer-term. Crawl, walk, run: excellent. Regards, SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing the buildings. The City import only had urban buildings. Since the city of Ottawa is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still to do. See http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100 On 2018-01-25 11:13 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: Hi Steve, I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really. There is nobody really *driving* this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests we should have a steering committee). Every time I see email sent to the original distribution list of people invited to the meeting last September, I suggest the conversation continue here, but never really does. (there is no conversation really) What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested this was a good idea? What are they doing to contribute? I have no idea. Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on improving OSM in the City of Ottawa. (http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin). My focus is roads geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting info from the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then addresses (in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I will make the tooling I've worked on available as open source, and then do work on buildings. On 2018-01-25 04:00 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: PLEASE, movers and shakers within BC2020i: wiki, wiki, wiki! A great deal of Project Management (critical to better establish in these early days of BC2020i) and indeed intra-project communication (status, how far along, what's current and upcoming...) can be communicated, very WELL-communicated, via this wiki. Go! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)
Hi Steve, I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really. There is nobody really *driving* this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests we should have a steering committee). Every time I see email sent to the original distribution list of people invited to the meeting last September, I suggest the conversation continue here, but never really does. (there is no conversation really) What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested this was a good idea? What are they doing to contribute? I have no idea. Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on improving OSM in the City of Ottawa. (http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin). My focus is roads geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting info from the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then addresses (in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I will make the tooling I've worked on available as open source, and then do work on buildings. On 2018-01-25 04:00 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: PLEASE, movers and shakers within BC2020i: wiki, wiki, wiki! A great deal of Project Management (critical to better establish in these early days of BC2020i) and indeed intra-project communication (status, how far along, what's current and upcoming...) can be communicated, very WELL-communicated, via this wiki. Go! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca