Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> I'm all for using the wiki, just want to consider the maintenance effort of 
> keeping the tasking manager in sync with the wiki.  If someone wants to do 
> that, so much the better!   Wikis can get stale quickly without someone(s) to 
> actively look at doing updates, like you're doing.

Right, except the BC2020 wiki has gone from zero to two links.  One link is 
enough (per sub-project, not tiles within a sub-project) to enter the Tasking 
Manager's "front door."  Yet "this" (Task 100, Ottawa - Validate Addresses and 
Split Terraces) hasn't had ANY link to the wiki (nor the Tasking Manager in 
general).  And that wiki is "only" for BC2020, yet Canada-wide.  It seems the 
Tasking Manager site, countrywide, and Canadian WikiProjects might enjoy a 
little harmony and organization.

And we just did, putting two links in one wiki.  More, later, in other 
(Canadian-based WikiProjects and the Canadian Tasking Manager) wikis?  Sounds 
good.  Not being local, I can't effectively do that, but others can, and I 
believe it will help.  A little bit of organization and project (links, wikis, 
mapping work...) connectivity (intra-OSM, as it were) goes a long way.  Nice 
working with you!

> Keep up the great work.

Thanks, you and BC2020 (and Canadians OSMers and all of OSM and all the little 
children...), too.

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

> There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if you are 
> so inclined to add them.   Is that the best way to go? or people can check 
> the task manager for projects in their area of interest?   (new tasks can be 
> easily added to the task manager... just ask!)

I sort of feel a need to just shut the heck up and let others post 
"communications about the WikiProject" (like OSM-TM links) TO the WikiProject 
(wiki).

That is all.  Keep the communication up and in the wiki rather than in "walled 
gardens" of "happen to know somebody" or "walled garden."

It's OSM, after all.  We use other forms of communication, but on a national 
project of scope this large, we can (and should and do) use the wiki.

Zippin' it closed for a while,
SteveA
California



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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Steve,

I'm all for using the wiki, just want to consider the maintenance 
effort of keeping the tasking manager in sync with the wiki.  If 
someone wants to do that, so much the better!   Wikis can get stale 
quickly without someone(s) to actively look at doing updates, like 
you're doing.


Keep up the great work.

On 2018-01-25 11:51 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if you are 
so inclined to add them.   Is that the best way to go? or people can check the 
task manager for projects in their area of interest?   (new tasks can be easily 
added to the task manager... just ask!)

I sort of feel a need to just shut the heck up and let others post "communications 
about the WikiProject" (like OSM-TM links) TO the WikiProject (wiki).

That is all.  Keep the communication up and in the wiki rather than in "walled gardens" of 
"happen to know somebody" or "walled garden."

It's OSM, after all.  We use other forms of communication, but on a national 
project of scope this large, we can (and should and do) use the wiki.

Zippin' it closed for a while,
SteveA
California


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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Steve,

There are many more tasks on the task manager related to buildings if 
you are so inclined to add them.   Is that the best way to go? or 
people can check the task manager for projects in their area of 
interest?   (new tasks can be easily added to the task manager... just 
ask!)


On 2018-01-25 11:39 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:

I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing the 
buildings.  The City import only had urban buildings.  Since the city of Ottawa 
is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still to do.  See 
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100

See, now, like that:  I put these links into 
WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020.  (Where they belong, he suggest 
humbly).

I mean, I'm glad I learned about that here, as talk-ca seems an appropriate 
place to learn that.  Yet our wiki updated with those links took me about 
twenty seconds of cut-and-paste.

Yeah!

SteveA
California


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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:30 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing the 
> buildings.  The City import only had urban buildings.  Since the city of 
> Ottawa is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still to do.  See 
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and 
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100

See, now, like that:  I put these links into 
WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020.  (Where they belong, he suggest 
humbly).

I mean, I'm glad I learned about that here, as talk-ca seems an appropriate 
place to learn that.  Yet our wiki updated with those links took me about 
twenty seconds of cut-and-paste.

Yeah!

SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really.   There is nobody really 
> driving this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests we should have a 
> steering committee).   Every time I see email sent to the original 
> distribution list of people invited to the meeting last September, I suggest 
> the conversation continue here, but never really does.(there is no 
> conversation really)

Thank you for your response, Matthew!

> What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested this was a 
> good idea?  What are they doing to contribute?  I have no idea.

Well, somebody (besides me) is writing (and wrote) wiki.  Maybe it is becoming 
an "orphaned" project?  That would be a shame, it has such potential and 
respectable growth so far, it just looks a bit like a freshly-built ship 
without a rudder.  I think it has potential and momentum, the framework is 
there, a good pilot project in Ottawa seeds it well.  Looks like a "call out" 
to "agencies" and such takes some time for throats to be cleared and such and 
"hm, yeah, we're working on that, too."  OK, that happens.  In a day, in a 
week, in a month, after a quarter.  Clearly, it's early days in BC2020.  Shout 
out?!  (By me, here, now?)  Oh, a-a-agencies?  Anybody interested?

There, that oughta do it. :-)

> Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on improving OSM 
> in the City of Ottawa.  (http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin).  My 
> focus is roads geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting 
> info from the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then 
> addresses (in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I will make 
> the tooling I've worked on available as open source, and then do work on 
> buildings.

I say it as necessary (it can be frequently):  OSM is a medium-term to 
longer-term project, especially with large-ish, 
regional/national/continental-sized sub-projects like WikiProject BC2020.  What 
I certainly don't want to happen is somebody gets "chased off" (whether by "I 
haven't the time" or "I don't stand tall enough to ride the ride" or many other 
reasons) and the whole initiative goes "poof."  It birthed as a brilliant flare 
and now toddles along.

If I may humbly say to the dear readers here:  I see many green lights ahead on 
BC2020.  There are some pesky obstacles like licensing and a good Import Plan 
(the Ottawa seed is a good start) but those do get resolved over the medium- 
and longer-term.  Crawl, walk, run:  excellent.

Regards,
SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[Matthew Darwin]

I should mention that there are others in Ottawa working on completing 
the buildings. The City import only had urban buildings.  Since the 
city of Ottawa is the largest rural city in Canada, so much work still 
to do. See http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/114 and 
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/100



On 2018-01-25 11:13 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:


Hi Steve,

I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really.   There is nobody 
really *driving* this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests 
we should have a steering committee).   Every time I see email sent 
to the original distribution list of people invited to the meeting 
last September, I suggest the conversation continue here, but never 
really does.    (there is no conversation really)


What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested 
this was a good idea?  What are they doing to contribute?  I have no 
idea.



Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on 
improving OSM in the City of Ottawa.  
(http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin). My focus is roads 
geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting info from 
the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then 
addresses (in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I 
will make the tooling I've worked on available as open source, and 
then do work on buildings.



On 2018-01-25 04:00 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

PLEASE, movers and shakers within BC2020i:  wiki, wiki, wiki!  A great deal of 
Project Management (critical to better establish in these early days of 
BC2020i) and indeed intra-project communication (status, how far along, what's 
current and upcoming...) can be communicated, very WELL-communicated, via this 
wiki.  Go!




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Re: [Talk-ca] building imports (was Re: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 119, Issue 10)

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Steve,

I'm not who the "movers and shakers" are really.   There is nobody 
really *driving* this project that I am aware of (the wiki suggests we 
should have a steering committee).   Every time I see email sent to 
the original distribution list of people invited to the meeting last 
September, I suggest the conversation continue here, but never really 
does.    (there is no conversation really)


What happened to all the agencies in that meeting that suggested this 
was a good idea?  What are they doing to contribute?  I have no idea.



Personally I'm spending on average several days/week working on 
improving OSM in the City of Ottawa.  
(http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?Matthew%20Darwin). My focus is roads 
geometry (mostly done... remaining work is pending getting info from 
the City of Ottawa... waiting 6 months with no answers) then addresses 
(in progress) then we'll see what's next Probably I will make the 
tooling I've worked on available as open source, and then do work on 
buildings.



On 2018-01-25 04:00 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

PLEASE, movers and shakers within BC2020i:  wiki, wiki, wiki!  A great deal of 
Project Management (critical to better establish in these early days of 
BC2020i) and indeed intra-project communication (status, how far along, what's 
current and upcoming...) can be communicated, very WELL-communicated, via this 
wiki.  Go!


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