Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread Tim Elrick
Thanks for the heads up. As I said, we are not in a rush here, and will first transfer the discussion to the Montreal list, then start a page on the import wiki and take it from there. On top, the pre-processing will be a bit of work as well. There is lots of data for the City of Montreal

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread John Whelan
If CC-BY 4.0 works great.  I'd go for any addresses etc and any bus stops you can get hold of as well. Just be aware that we had a fairly large number of questions asked about the license etc when we did Ottawa and one of the people questioning referred the license to the LWG.  Even the basis

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread Tim Elrick
Hi John, Thanks for pointing me to the license website. The open data of the City of Montreal is licensed CC-BY 4.0 and the City has explicitly granted OSM the right to use the data on top of that. See: http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/portail/licence/ StatsCan's Open Building Database

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-16 Thread john whelan
When you look at importing Montreal you might like to look at the following first. https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/OGL_Canada_and_local_variants Note if the Montreal data in available through Stats Can and the federal government open data license it might be better to use that data source

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-10 Thread john whelan
Mapping buildings in iD can be done accurately, however going back in time to the Nepal earthquake generally speaking they were really poor quality. Pierre first took an interest in data quality around this time. Well he was interested before but grew more vocal. As part of 2020 a number of

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-09 Thread Tim Elrick
Hi all, After following the building import discussion for a while now, I wanted to chime in as well. After moving to Montréal from Germany recently, I got more engaged with the local mappers here in MTL (beforehand, I was more analysing OSM data scientifically). I took part in the

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-05 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
Danny Voici un exemple à partir des données d'Ottawa pour tester la fonction de correction du Validateur. La requête Overpass ci-dessous permet d'extraire des bâtiments jumelés pour les résidences Brookds sur le campus de l'Université d'Ottawa.http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/FPT La correction

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-04 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
J'ai constaté la même chose a tester CATools. Décevant. Et merci à Dany, cette fonctionnalité est intéressante.La requête Overpass ci-dessous extrait de grands immeubles à Ottawa, certains avec des formes rectangulaires, d'autres avec des formes plus complexes, moitié rectangulaire, plus

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-04 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
Thanks, it works. Need to run it a few times it looks like. On a random Markham block went from 88 warnings down to 4 without ruining geometries, which is acceptable IMO. May need to look into its parameters (validator.RightAngleBuilding.maximumDelta and validator.RightAngleBuilding.minimumDelta)

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-04 Thread Danny McDonald
In JOSM, open the preferences dialog (F12), go to the data validator tab, and click the "show informational level" checkbox (it is third from the top). Any validation done will then check for "Building with an almost square angle", which will appear under the Other tab. "Building with an almost

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-04 Thread Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
En faisant une recherche josm + orthogonal, je trouve ce greffon qui semble intéressanthttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/CADTools Il contient différentes fonctions pour corriger les polygones. Je vois que l'on utilise une tolérance 85-95 pour les angles droits. Il est aussi

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-04 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
Danny, Do you mind sharing how to fix almost square angles in JOSM? I remember seeing such warning a year or two ago but for some reason I don't see it anymore and can't find it in the Validator settings. Did they remove it from the latest version of JOSM or you need to add this rule manually? If

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
It is an honor to participate in this good growth. May good (province-at-a-time building) data enter OSM at the hands of skilled OSM editors who have good instructions on "how" (the Import Plan can go that distance, please finish it) as their skills of good editing OSM data push the import

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread Danny McDonald
I largely agree with Yaro, but will say 1) It is possible to square almost square angles with JOSM - it has an informational warning in validation, and automatically squares the angle by slightly moving the offending node. This fix doesn't ruin the geometry of the building, as pressing Q so often

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
Having reviewed the changeset, here are my 2 cents. OsmCha link for reference: https://osmcha.mapbox.com/changesets/66881357/ 1) IMO squaring is not needed in most of those cases. - You can see difference between square and non-square ONLY at high zoom level. And even then, it's not visible to

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Mmm, careful with your language, John. The data "have a license which is compatible with OSM's ODbL" (is an accurate way to say it). I believe that took about eight years and was a difficult slog, a lot of hard work by many, lessons learned from Ottawa, a determination by OSM's LWG, but it is

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
So I suggest that you name yourself as the coordinator on the wiki page for Toronto that allows the local mappers in Toronto to import at the rate and to the standard you suggest. For the rest of the country the data is licensed to be acceptable to OpenStreetMap thus anyone can set up their own

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread Nate Wessel
John, You seem to be mostly addressing topics which have been brought up elsewhere. My email was meant to address specific data quality issues in Toronto, so I'm not sure how to respond to all of this. To your broader question though, my position is that we *do* have the volunteers and

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Thread john whelan
My expectation was that the import would be based on the city's records of foundations for the buildings. I would not expect to see sheds etc.and I'd be quite happy to only get most of the buildings. The rest can be added by local mappers at a later date. My expectation is they will be