Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 01/02/18 08:58, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On 31 January 2018 at 11:13, Will Phillips wrote: I favour using addr:parentstreet rather than addr:substreet for the following reasons: +1 Which also then needs addr:street ON the addr:parentstreet as using

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 31 January 2018 at 11:13, Will Phillips wrote: > I favour using addr:parentstreet rather than addr:substreet for the > following reasons: +1 > 1. The majority of OSM data users and tools/services using OSM data don't > know that either addr:substreet or addr:parentstreet

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 31/01/2018 09:07, Mark Goodge wrote: Which is the more correct usage here? Do we a) tag the dependent street as the addr:street, and the main street as addr:parentstreet, or should we b) (following Royal Mail practice as found in the PAF), tag the dependent street as a addr:substreet and

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 31/01/18 09:07, Mark Goodge wrote: On 27/01/2018 20:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Secondly, some addresses contain two street names, a main street and a so-called "dependent street". Apart from the historic anomalies, a single postcode should only cover one main street, but can

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 27/01/2018 20:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Secondly, some addresses contain two street names, a main street and a so-called "dependent street". Apart from the historic anomalies, a single postcode should only cover one main street, but can include more than one dependent street.

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 27 January 2018 at 20:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > Following on from last quarter's post-code and addresses project, I've > been doing a bit more playing around with UK address data from OSM. > I've put together a new report at >

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

Hi again Rob, If you want some more work to do... given there will always be false positives, per Point 3 of your original email, would you be able to add a facility so we could mark these as such inline, eg as https://www.keepright.at does? S36 7GG, for example, correctly spans three

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 30/01/18 15:04, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Sorry about that -- it was a bug in my code -- which I think I've fixed now. Have another look at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/addresses/street-warnings/WR.html -- there's a lot more moved to the highways section now. That is looking a

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 30 January 2018 at 11:40, Lester Caine wrote: > On 30/01/18 10:14, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: >> >> (There weren't nearly as many objects in case 2 as I thought there >> would be here based on people's comments, so it's possible I've messed >> up the programming

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 30/01/18 10:14, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: (There weren't nearly as many objects in case 2 as I thought there would be here based on people's comments, so it's possible I've messed up the programming logic somewhere. If there are still any objects with a highway=* tag listed in other

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 27 January 2018 at 20:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > Following on from last quarter's post-code and addresses project, I've > been doing a bit more playing around with UK address data from OSM. > I've put together a new report at >

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

Not universally true. Streetname signs in the Boroughs of Gedling and Rushcliffe actually may show the full postcode. Example here: https://flic.kr/p/9r747b . This is both ground truth & authoritative for postcodes belong to (some) streets :-) Secondly, OSM mapping is

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 29/01/18 13:27, Ed Loach wrote: All that is left to be sorted out is should all the current addr:postcode entries logged against the street ways be replaced with postal_code My suggestion is don't worry about it. Data consumers can easily check for both, and as soon as the actual

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 29/01/2018 11:36, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Ah, I see that tagging would create a lot of false positives in my tool and make it much less useful! My understanding is that addr:postcode should be used only as part of an address. So if you want to put a postcode on a street (or part

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

> All that is left to be sorted out is should all the current > addr:postcode entries logged against the street ways be replaced > with > postal_code My suggestion is don't worry about it. Data consumers can easily check for both, and as soon as the actual addresses be mapped the tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 29/01/2018 12:38, Lester Caine wrote: UK post codes are based on the postmans walk, so follow the footpaths that a postman can follow to deliver mail. Yes a street may have a different postcode on each side, and long roads are broken down into smaller blocks each with it's own postcode.

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

(Send to pigging list ...) On 29/01/18 11:58, David Woolley wrote: On 29/01/18 11:36, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: My understanding is that addr:postcode should be used only as part of an address. So if you want to put a postcode on a street (or part of a As I understand it,

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

> On the other hand, sticking the full post code on a road is wrong, because it implies that everything on that road has that post code, which is not necessarily true, even for short roads, if there is a big user. But on roads where that *is* true, which granted might not be many, I have done so

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 29/01/18 09:27, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: So it ignores a simple 'name' ? which is why a lot of my streets are getting tagged as wrong? I don't see any reason to have to add addr:street= when the road already has name= ... The adjacent building use addr:street= ... You're right

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

Hi Rob, This is a really useful tool and I've already started making tweaks to address data based on it. Could I make a suggestion? I think an ampersand is a legitimate character to see in an address or street name: Other Odd Characters Street names containing anything other than letters,

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 29 January 2018 at 09:18, Lester Caine wrote: > So it ignores a simple 'name' ? which is why a lot of my streets are getting > tagged as wrong? I don't see any reason to have to add addr:street= when the > road already has name= ... The adjacent building use addr:street=

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

On 27/01/18 20:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: [1] Due to the way addresses are recorded in OSM, and the formatting of UK addresses by Royal Mail (see also [3] below), the "Street Name" for an object is picked up by the tool from a variety of tags. Currently it uses the following, in

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

As with Paul many errors are mine too. In particular anything with a "Tagged Street" set to Styvechale in the CV postcode area. Maybe I should be sing suburb, district or subdistrict but I have no idea which - maybe suburb?? Suggestions welcome :-) But good tool to highlight this inconsistency.

Re: [Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

You'll find quite a lot of mine bacuase the wiki recommendations don't fit at all any sort of sense. As we don't have a sensible set of descriptions between addr:city and addr:hamlet, I'll use addr:place unless somewhere is very suburban (and council estates don't fit my vision of suburban -

[Talk-GB] Errors in Street Names in Addresses

Following on from last quarter's post-code and addresses project, I've been doing a bit more playing around with UK address data from OSM. I've put together a new report at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/addresses/street-warnings/ which provides lists of potential issues in street names (e.g.