Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 23/11/16 09:53, Warin wrote: A 'mobile' business .. such as a mobile caterer or a mobile mechanic may not be something that needs to present on the OSM map? I'd think someone looking for a mobile service would want to contact them by phone .. and be best served by using a phone search.

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

Here is an example that is more like the startup business that Warin mentions Chillie Sauce 112 Barnett Road Brighton BN1 7GH Business type: Other catering premises http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/904285/ https://goo.gl/maps/SMDjwS1efVL2 Regards, Jez On Wed, 23 Nov 2016

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

Here is an example: The wonderfully named "Here Today, Scone Tomorrow" http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/892292/ at 35 Sandgate Road, Brighton, BN1 6JP Business type: mobile caterer https://goo.gl/maps/dKVXCkPHRTo Perhaps they prepare the food at their home address? or this is their

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

There's a cupcake business locally which I suspect is a home business (as the streets in that area are only residential AFAIK). I haven't actually been there to check it out. Steve On 22/11/2016 15:54, Dave F wrote: I think they're misusing 'private' where they mean 'personal' I've only

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 22/11/2016 15:22, Dave F wrote: Are you now suggesting the electoral roll should be hidden? Please don't assume duplicating freely available data in OSM makes it 'personal' or somehow tainted. It is possible to be 'ex-directory' in relation to the electoral register. -- Steve --- This

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

I think they're misusing 'private' where they mean 'personal' I've only come across instances of mobile retailers. Does anyone have an example of a home business on the FHRS website? If there's only a partial address/postcode how are OSM contributors adding them? Are the co-ordinates

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 22/11/2016 13:41, David Woolley wrote: On 22/11/16 12:45, Dave F wrote: Please clarify exactly what data you believe to be personal? As it contains no data on "identifiable living people", could you provide evidence that it falls under the DPA? Occupation. There's no correlation to an

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 22/11/16 12:45, Dave F wrote: Please clarify exactly what data you believe to be personal? As it contains no data on "identifiable living people", could you provide evidence that it falls under the DPA? Occupation. (Real name and address can be obtained by anyone from the edited

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 22/11/16 12:58, Dave F wrote: On 21/11/2016 20:23, SK53 wrote: A bit late, but according to the FHRS manual businesses run from private addresses should be obscured (usually at the postcode district level). Do you have a link?

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 21/11/2016 20:23, SK53 wrote: A bit late, but according to the FHRS manual businesses run from private addresses should be obscured (usually at the postcode district level). Do you have a link? Not all authorities follow these rules; I have in the past had to point out to one authority

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 21/11/2016 13:38, Harry Wood wrote: "Apart from size, I fail to see the difference" Well the difference is whether you can go there and see the business. The effect of this verifiability rule might be a size thing, which might mean that the cottage industry baking cupcakes doesn't get added

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 21/11/2016 13:18, David Woolley wrote: On 21/11/16 12:58, Dave F wrote: The FHRS database listing a business at a domestic address is verification IMO. It's also personal data. I actually thought that FHRS itself suppressed some of this, but if you include it, it becomes subject to the

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

A bit late, but according to the FHRS manual businesses run from private addresses should be obscured (usually at the postcode district level). Not all authorities follow these rules; I have in the past had to point out to one authority that showing the private addresses of childminders raises

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

t; Harry > > From: Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 12:58 > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home > > > > OSM became a company list as soon as t

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

e, then we are just copying a database in. Harry From: Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 12:58 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home OSM became a company list as soon as th

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On 21/11/16 12:58, Dave F wrote: The FHRS database listing a business at a domestic address is verification IMO. It's also personal data. I actually thought that FHRS itself suppressed some of this, but if you include it, it becomes subject to the Data Protection Act, which put legal

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

OSM became a company list as soon as the third business was added. Lists of things is what the database is all about, it's just that the most common way of representing them is geographically spaced out on a map, instead of an Excel spreadsheet. Apart from size, I fail to see the difference

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

You beat me to it. I was going to raise this. IMHO we should not add private home businesses. It just won't be possible to give 100% coverage of fhrs ids On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:17 Ian Caldwell, wrote: > One I noticed was the local country market

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

One I noticed was the local country market (country-markets.co.uk), the FHRs address was, I assume, the home of the ore fhrs:id. ganise and was not where the market takes place. It takes place in a local hall. I was planning not to map the fhrs:id. Ian On 19 November 2016 at 16:48, Andrew Hain

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

On Sat Nov 19 16:48:23 2016 GMT, Andrew Hain wrote: > Some FHRS entries refer to people's names, or to business names, with the > address of a private house. These may be people who cook from home or > itinerantly. Is it however appropriate for OSM to map these addresses as > anything more than

[Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

Some FHRS entries refer to people's names, or to business names, with the address of a private house. These may be people who cook from home or itinerantly. Is it however appropriate for OSM to map these addresses as anything more than houses, for example by adding fhrs:id or the name in the