Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On Mon, 2018-11-19 at 21:51 +, Gareth L wrote: > When you’re on the tube and it’s stopping at a mainline station, it > tends to say “change here for National rail services”. Elsewhere I > often hear it referred to as the national rail network and conversely > London Underground network for

[Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

When you’re on the tube and it’s stopping at a mainline station, it tends to say “change here for National rail services”. Elsewhere I often hear it referred to as the national rail network and conversely London Underground network for tube lines. Though the overground might complicates things.

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

From the discussions I am trying to summarise the discussion. Network on railway stations being *National Rail* which includes local networks operated on tracks maintained by Network Rail from which tickets are available to all other stations on this network. This will include local networks such

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On 17/11/2018 17:26, Colin Smale wrote: Surely the infrastructure network is a different concept to the train network? The UK overland railway network is managed and owned by network rail. How about this for a thought: For the trains, a network might be linked to a brand; An operator may

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

Surely the infrastructure network is a different concept to the train network? How about this for a thought: For the trains, a network might be linked to a brand; An operator may have distinct branding for commuter services, intercity services and freight operations giving three different

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

TonyS wrote: > Lot of the obscurity is caused by the contracts from Department > For Transport. Merseyrail is both a train operating company > and a commuter rail network in and around Liverpool City Region Indeed, and it's actually even more nuanced than that. Merseyrail is not a franchise

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On 17/11/2018 14:46, David Woolley wrote: On 17/11/18 14:36, Lester Caine wrote: Who operates the station, and who operates on each line accessing that station. The various ID's would help keep this data up to date. You need to distinguish between operating the line and operating services

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On 17/11/2018 10:02, Tony Shield wrote: Ormskirk is a good case where Merseyrail manage the station - essentially the operator in OSM parlance. I picked Ormskirk is it is the terminus for both Merseyrail and Northern services on that line. They terminate here as the Merseyrail line is

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

In the UK, the rails may be operated by Network Rail, the platform by one train operating company and a particular train using that platform, by a different train operating company. When you add rapid transit systems (incidentally, is Merseyrail really one of these, rather than part of

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

If you look at the history of some stations, you'll see that about 6 years ago this was corrected to National Rail but it was reverted soon after, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1305070561/history Clearly "Nation Rail" is wrong so it should be fixed. Perhaps this could be as part of

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

Lester's comments look logical from a general perspective: 1 network (National Rail), 1+ operators (Merseyrail, Northern, ...). I'd expand a bit by saying the it IS possible to have both multiple networks and operators at the same transport point (rail/bus station/platform). I have local

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On 17/11/18 09:09, Lester Caine wrote: The line north should be tagged operator=Northern My understanding is that all tracks used for public rail services (but not metropolitan rapid transit systems), in the UK, are operated by Network Rail. The train operating companies only operate the

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

Lot of the obscurity is caused by the contracts from Department For Transport. Wikipedia - *Merseyrail* is both a train operating company (TOC) and a commuter rail

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

On 17/11/2018 07:12, SK53 wrote: I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation Rail on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail is intended. As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first instinct was to change the tag to this,

[Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation Rail on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail is intended. As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first instinct was to change the tag to this, but then I wondered if National Rail