Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-23 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 22 February 2015 at 14:55, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: I see that the old OS OpenData Licence URL now redirects to OGL version 3 ( http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.pdf ) and as such we can safely assume that the OS consider the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-23 Thread Rob Nickerson
Robert wrote: I think that would be jumping the gun slightly. What I understand from OS's answer to me, is that previously released datasets will remain under the OS-ODL, and there is no automatic retrospective change of the licence. I think you are overly risk averse in this case and it could

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-23 Thread Owen Boswarva
That seems inconsistent. If OSM was concerned about the OS OpenData Licence before, with respect to OS data, it should still be concerned with respect to data produced by third parties that continue to use the licence. The OS OpenData Licence is not dead if local authorities and other PSMA

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-22 Thread Rob Nickerson
Robert wrote: I've now had a reply from OS about this. They say: Previous such releases will not necessarily be included - only those that we are informed about in the future. If the dataset had already been notified to us, or we had approved

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-20 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 18 February 2015 at 13:52, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: The OS OpenData Licence is also used by Local Authorities and other Public Bodies when licensing Geographic Data that's been derived from OS Products under a Public Sector Mapping Agreement

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-19 Thread Gervase Markham
On 18/02/15 13:52, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: In the immediate future, it won't have much effect, since we already had separate permission to use all but one of the OS Open Data products. The exception was CodePoint Open. Once OS updates their licence page

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-19 Thread Tom Hughes
On 19/02/15 10:58, Gervase Markham wrote: On 18/02/15 13:52, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: In the immediate future, it won't have much effect, since we already had separate permission to use all but one of the OS Open Data products. The exception was CodePoint Open. Once OS updates their

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-19 Thread Gervase Markham
On 19/02/15 11:11, Tom Hughes wrote: Why would it make any difference? As far as I know Nominatim already uses the Codepoint Open data? Well, if it did, wouldn't it be able to find every postcode in Britain? The Results from OpenStreetMap Nominatim section of the search results often turns up

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-19 Thread Michael Collinson
This is really good news and thank you Rob for flagging it. Thanks also to the unknown folks at OS who have been working on this ... it follows through on a promise made to me in 2010 that they would look at. As cautioned by Rob, do wait until

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-19 Thread Owen Boswarva
In my view the additional bit about acquiring rights in the Information (whether the Information is obtained directly from the Licensor or otherwise) is a clarification; not a change to the effect of the licence (when comparing the versions). You applies to persons acquiring rights in the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-18 Thread Jo Walsh
I asked @owenboswarva on Twitter who is an active voice whom i trust on open government data issues, and he said this: IMO the only significant difference is v3 explicitly permits re-users to list multiple attributions via a URI or link. ...the differences are mostly just tidier syntax. If you

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-18 Thread Owen Boswarva
(I should clarify that by compatible I meant forward-compatible rather than interoperable. OGL data is suitable as an input to a OdBL dataset, but not vice versa.) -- Owen (@owenboswarva) On 18 February 2015 at 18:04, Jo Walsh metaz...@fastmail.net wrote: I asked @owenboswarva on Twitter who

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-18 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 18 February 2015 at 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2015 at 23:57, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I could imagine that OGL-3 has imported OS ODL's clause on sublicensing that caused incompatibility with ODbL, which would make OGL-3

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-18 Thread Dave F.
On 17/02/2015 22:38, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi All, At long last the open data licence scene in the UK has now become a lot simpler as OS have ditched their OS OpenData Licence and replaced it with the standard OGL:

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-17 Thread Rob Nickerson
On 17 February 2015 at 23:57, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I could imagine that OGL-3 has imported OS ODL's clause on sublicensing that caused incompatibility with ODbL, which would make OGL-3 incompatible with ODbL.Do we have confirmation that this is not the case, i.e.

[Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

2015-02-17 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All, At long last the open data licence scene in the UK has now become a lot simpler as OS have ditched their OS OpenData Licence and replaced it with the standard OGL: