Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
On 18/09/2020 21:55, Mark Goodge wrote: but B, Wilko and Wickes are consumer My impression is that Wilko is genuine consumer, but B, is mix of consumer and informal economy trade (aka handymen) and Wickes is mainly a mix of formal and informal economy trade. (I'm not sure to what extent handymen are really in the informal economy, or simply do properly taxed small B2C jobs.) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 02:59:41PM +0100, ael wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:27:20PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > > I encountered https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/4140 > > and it is hard to me how it should be decided. > > I originated the trade tag after discussion here. Correction: on the tagging list. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 01:32:09PM +0100, Phil Endecott via Talk-GB wrote: > Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I encountered https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/4140 > > and it is hard to me how it should be decided. > > > > Do you have some clear preference? > > As a shopper, the important question for me is whether a > shop will actually sell to me, i.e. whether they are > trade ONLY or not, so that I don't have a wasted journey. > Does our tagging scheme (and default rendering) address > this? If it doesn't do retail, it isn't a "shop"? The trade tag is intended for places that cater in a professional way to trade customers, but also include ordinary retail. I suppose that if there really are "shops" which are trade only one could add a subtag like trade_only = yes. Do we have a tag for wholesalers? They would seem similar... ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
On 19/09/2020 13:32, Phil Endecott via Talk-GB wrote: i.e. some chains may describe themselves in a way that allows them to get permission to operate on cheaper industrial estates rather than more expensive retail parks. I don't think that's very useful information for map users. I think you are assuming the typical OSM user is the man in the street. My impression is that the heavy users are actually academic and professional, for whom planning type issues may actually be very important. OSM isn't trying to be a retail directory, and the very patchy nature of its coverage for initial addition and updates, means it will not be a good one, except in small areas, in the foreseeable future. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:27:20PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > I encountered https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/4140 > and it is hard to me how it should be decided. I originated the trade tag after discussion here. Note that it explicitly includes places that do ordinary retail/DIY in addition to serving trade customers. So trade. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Jewson - is it shop=doityourself or shop=trade?
Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I encountered https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/4140 and it is hard to me how it should be decided. Do you have some clear preference? As a shopper, the important question for me is whether a shop will actually sell to me, i.e. whether they are trade ONLY or not, so that I don't have a wasted journey. Does our tagging scheme (and default rendering) address this? Based on limited experience, I think that Jewson and Travis Perkins will sell to anyone but their non-account (i.e. DIY) prices are so uncompetitive that few people would ever do so. On the other hand, places like Screwfix have significant trade custom but I think offer the same prices to everyone. Even B now has trade counters. I have a feeling that the distinction between "retail" and "trade" may matter for planning permission purposes, i.e. some chains may describe themselves in a way that allows them to get permission to operate on cheaper industrial estates rather than more expensive retail parks. I don't think that's very useful information for map users. The important things are what they sell, and whether they will sell to me. Cheers, Phil. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
