Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/01/2019 17:38, Paul Berry wrote: I'd say the analogue to a ford is a level crossing: The iD editor lets you set ford=level_crossing (as opposed to stepping_stones, etc.). Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Berry
I'd say the analogue to a ford is a level crossing: two ways of different types, usually vertically separated but instead intersecting at the same level, notionally at a point (though you could define an area if you want that level of detail). Coincidentally, some fords local to me (one which

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Edward Catmur
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, 13:56 David Woolley On 07/01/2019 12:37, Mike Baggaley wrote: > > I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as > lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and > it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford.

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/01/2019 12:37, Mike Baggaley wrote: I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford. If either the highway or waterway is mapped

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/01/2019 12:37, Mike Baggaley wrote: I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford. If either the highway or waterway is mapped

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Mike Baggaley
I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford. If either the highway or waterway is mapped as an area then I would expect the ford to

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 19:52, Michael Booth wrote: Replying to this message as for some reason Dave's emails never come through to my inbox. I agree these should be updated to the new tag, but not simply with a automated edit - it would be much better to check each individual instance first before

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Martin Wynne
On 06/01/2019 20:47, Edward Catmur wrote: But what does "a bit much" mean in relation to mapping what you find on the ground? Either a thing is there or it isn't. You can leave it out, or make a reasonable stab at drawing what you actually see in front of your nose. To me the issue is one of

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Michael Booth
Replying to this message as for some reason Dave's emails never come through to my inbox. I agree these should be updated to the new tag, but not simply with a automated edit - it would be much better to check each individual instance first before retagging. I've just looked at some of the

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 16:44, Martin Wynne wrote: For example I have just been updating a local ford well-known to me, over the River Rea at Neen Savage:  https://goo.gl/maps/NetZQD1UVfE2  https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.39462/-2.47891 That section of the river is mapped as an area, so I

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Martin Wynne
On 06/01/2019 15:50, Edward Catmur wrote: > It would seem a bit much to map the ford as an area unless both the river and the highway away from the ford are mapped as areas. For the same reason I wouldn't usually map a ford as a way unless the river is mapped as an area. Thanks Edward. But

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 15:50, Edward Catmur wrote: It would seem a bit much to map the ford as an area unless both the river and the highway away from the ford are mapped as areas. For the same reason I wouldn't usually map a ford as a way unless the river is mapped as an area. Apropos of not much,

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Edward Catmur
It would seem a bit much to map the ford as an area unless both the river and the highway away from the ford are mapped as areas. For the same reason I wouldn't usually map a ford as a way unless the river is mapped as an area. Apropos of not much, I wonder whether the ford is relevant for

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Martin Wynne
the same time you're writing your message in a combative and uncooperative tone that is increasing the likelihood of someone getting upset! Well, yes, I suppose I am. I'm gradually becoming irritated by the increasing reluctance (verging on paranoia) to correcting erroneous data. Well that

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
On 06/01/2019 09:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 1/5/19 9:49 PM, Dave F wrote: I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up.

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dave F
I should have clarified the 545 highway=ford tags to be changed are all nodes. 92 of those also have the ford=yes tag (Red) http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/F0z Check out Duddon Sands PROWs. That looks far too risky http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/F0C Cheers DaveF On 06/01/2019 09:51, Neil Matthews

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Dan S
Hi Martin, It's a bit of a do-ocracy - you can take the initiative yourself, but you should follow the code of conduct, which includes discussing it with the right local groups and giving time for comments on the edit you want to make. See the instructions here:

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Martin Wynne
On 05/01/2019 20:49, Dave F wrote: I'm about to do a GB wide edit As a recent mapper I'm interested to know - if a GB-wide edit is needed, how does it get decided who should do it? cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Neil Matthews
Presumably only those ways that have a consistent highway value for ways joined at both ends? If there's a different highway value at ways joined at each end, then you should at minimum add a fixme to the ford section, or a note for local mappers to check? Cheers, Neil On 05/01/2019 20:49,

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 1/5/19 9:49 PM, Dave F wrote: > I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes > (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area > edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. It sounds as if you are belittling

[Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-05 Thread Dave F
Hi I'm about to do a GB wide edit changing highway=ford (545) to ford=yes (4814). I know a few contributors like to get upset about wide area edits, even when they been discussed, so I thought I'd give you a heads up. Please read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=ford for the