Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Ed Avis
Jon Stockill writes: >I've been adding >buildings from streetview, then going out to survey for addresses. If >the buildings get removed it'd better be done in a way that preserves >the address data, or we lose the results of a lot of surveying. You could check with the legal mailing list, bu

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Ed Avis
Graham Jones writes: >If I collect a GPS trace of a road that is tagged as say 'source=NPE', I will >adjust the road to match the trace, and change it to source=survey. I would put source=NPE;survey but nobody really expects the source tag to be a bomb-proof, legally sound way to determine the s

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Ian Spencer
I don't think that is fair enough if you are going to be legally pedantic about it. The basic track was derived from NPE and you have adjusted it, by implication you have taken into account the original work in two ways: as a validation that the GPS trace relates to this item, and also you have

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/07/2010 15:18, Graham Jones wrote: If I collect a GPS trace of a road that is tagged as say 'source=NPE', I will adjust the road to match the trace, and change it to source=survey. That means that unless you look through the history there will be no evidence that it was once derived from

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Graham Jones
If I collect a GPS trace of a road that is tagged as say 'source=NPE', I will adjust the road to match the trace, and change it to source=survey. That means that unless you look through the history there will be no evidence that it was once derived from another source...but, once you have surveyed

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Chris Fleming
On 22/07/10 16:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ed Avis wrote: As an aside, I think the 'source' tag is a bit misconceived; it would make much more sense to tag source on the changeset, not on each object it touches. Only if you solely use one source per changeset. I'll typically use at l

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/07/2010 08:52, Ed Avis wrote: Fair point. In that case, to be scrupulous, you would need to add individual source tags to each object as you change it. But even then, the object data is not sufficient to know where it has come from: you must check the change history and see at which point

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-23 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst writes: >>As an aside, I think the 'source' tag is a bit misconceived; it would make >>much more sense to tag source on the changeset, not on each object it >>touches. > >Only if you solely use one source per changeset. I'll typically use at least >a mix of NPE, OS OpenData, G

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Graham Jones
I agree with what Kevin said earlier - that the OS OpenData is too good a resource to ignore, so from my perspective the acceptability of any new licence depends on making sure that the OS OpenData derived data stays in the OSM database (either by persuading ourselves that the new licence is compat

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Jon Stockill
Kevin Peat wrote: In 6 months time the OS data will be so entrenched in the UK map that we could never strip it out in any useful way without vast amounts of fixup being required and I can't imagine many people being interested in doing that. So for me at least whatever license we change to mu

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: > As an aside, I think the 'source' tag is a bit misconceived; it would make > much more sense to tag source on the changeset, not on each object it > touches. Only if you solely use one source per changeset. I'll typically use at least a mix of NPE, OS OpenData, GPS survey and p

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Ed Avis
As an aside, I think the 'source' tag is a bit misconceived; it would make much more sense to tag source on the changeset, not on each object it touches. The best way to see what data comes from OS or elsewhere is to look at the history of an object and see which changeset added the 'name' tag or w

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Kevin Peat
Nice work, but as the OS data is a good dataset and compatible with our current license why would anyone be surprised that people are using it. I've uploaded woods and waterways for my area so it looks pretty blue but the streets were surveyed on the ground and I would think that might be the same

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Ed Loach
@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM That looks much better now. It’s certainly interesting to see that whole counties, like Norfolk, appear to be sourced from OS OpenData. I know that that isn’t true, but I guess it’s a just a side-effect of the last edit to existing

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Gregory Williams
On Behalf Of Graham Jones Sent: 21 July 2010 22:58 To: 80n Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM Hi, I have tidied up my OS Opendata Map (http://www.maps.webhop.net/osm_opendata). The changes are: * Lines and dots are smaller so it looks l

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-21 Thread Graham Jones
Hi, I have tidied up my OS Opendata Map (http://www.maps.webhop.net/osm_opendata ). The changes are: - Lines and dots are smaller so it looks less of a mess. - It excludes source tags containing '25k', 'os7' and 'photos', which were giving quite a lot of false positives, especially in S

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-20 Thread Graham Jones
Thank you all for your comments. I'll not get into the licence change debate here - plenty of that on osm-talk - I agree that there are a few surprises highlighted here. There are a couple of cycle tracks highlighted that I survryed myself, so I will have to check the underlying data. When

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-20 Thread 80n
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) < robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com > wrote: > Emilie Laffray wrote: > > The second point is that I don't see the relation between knowing how > much > > OS OpenData and the switch to the new licence. Talks of losing data is > > partially a se

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-20 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
Emilie Laffray wrote: > The second point is that I don't see the relation between knowing how much > OS OpenData and the switch to the new licence. Talks of losing data is > partially a self fulfilling prophecy. It is impossible right now to gauge > how much data IF ANY we would lose since we don'

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-19 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 19 July 2010 23:37, Graham Jones wrote: > Hi Folks, > Given all of the talk on the osm-talk mailing list about the possibility of > losing data if we move to the new licence, I started to wonder just how > widespread OS OpenData use is in OSM. I couldn't find a visualisation, so I > made one

[Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-19 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks, Given all of the talk on the osm-talk mailing list about the possibility of losing data if we move to the new licence, I started to wonder just how widespread OS OpenData use is in OSM. I couldn't find a visualisation, so I made one this evening which is visible at http://www.maps.webhop