Re: [Talk-ht] Re [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities
Limited amount of time to answer, Now UAV aviator is http://werobotics.org/ a consulting organization and we are in touch with them. We didn't have the time to work together yet. When you have money HOT can be involved in Drone (Tanzania), otherwise you are not interested on it. I was surprise that World bank team promote UAV in Haiti with http://www.esih.edu/ and an international consultant who sell is drone service. And your team is in touch with them through Open Aerial Map. Up-fully, after the cyclone I was volunteer for the CNIGS (national center) and was invented at one meeting with world bank. Apparently HOT is focusing on big project and big money and you reinforce the biggest NGO, waiting for something else. Where small NGO want to survive in this "humanitarian" world and try to be closer to the reality of the community. They try to find their own way to response to a crisis and have a better impact than the humanitarian machine. Is not our story is their story and we need to help small NGO with small grant to write it. We had to build a team and a NGO in Haiti http://potentiel3-0.org/index.php/en/, and even if we face financial problem, we are still here and "professional" as much as we can and they need support to reinforce their knowledge. As HOT member my dream was to work with this NGO in 2013 and develop drone activities, but we didn't do it. Now, we don't need additional tension as they have a lot in Haiti already. It is taking time to build local capacity in a peaceful environment. I am not sure what all the people want to do in Haiti, but apparently people are not taking the same direction. So please let the time to the Haitian to be part of this game and listen to them. The situation here is quite complex. So keep cool, Haitian are strong and we need to help them to be stronger and not take all the time short cut to move faster. All the best and more than happy to work with all, really... Thanks again to Haiti to show us another way to work and let work together. --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
Re: [Talk-ht] Re [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities
Hi Blake, It's hard to read from your email what HOT as the initial collective and the US incorporated organization HOT US Inc had lose from 2010 Quake response to 2016 Cyclone Matthew response: "HOT can do, which is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from responding organizations." What about field, local community building and ambition/ability to be a game changer for IM/GIS in the Hum/Dev Field in few word truly/really deliver on the objectives of the WHS Summit. Can't you hear what Xavier tell you about their long-lasting ability to operate professionally and smoothly UAVs in Haiti and ensurance to continue in so doing? Do you really think that the Haitian sky is currently filled with UAV/Dronists operating in chaotic and dangerous ways and constituting additional hazards into a crisis ? There should be an equal or superior number of UAVs flying in Tanzania with respect to Haiti, and this rightfully did not prevent HOT US Inc to operate drones. Why can't this be possible in Haiti ? The requests of support are very limited (heli or car rides) and by no means imply stepping on UNOCHA coordination role or other actors with more experience in the field. Your reply signals heavy losses for HOT US Inc from its early times: operational compass, agility and comitment to local communities. This raises question on the very nature of the current nature of community support schemes in HOT US Inc "community" projects: is it for real, or is it for communication, fundraising and finally empire building ? This raises question on the vision associated to community support schemes: what future for communities strengthened by HOT US Inc? What role shall a disaster strike? Contrary to what you seem to intend: these UAV discussions and the underlying questions about community support schemes are by no means distraction to HOT work. These are the core questions around which a concept of operations has to be built to guide OSM efforts in Haiti? If you want to be successful this needs to be fully established. Your repeated refusal to help suggests that In between two major crisis 2010 Quake / 2016 Matthew, HOT US Inc di loose its loccal community compass. Best, Nicolas On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: > I agree, we have to do things we do not like. > > I would like nothing more than to have the capacity, expertise and > local authority contacts to be able to coordinate or sponsor UAV > missions. That is what I would like. > > I would love to be able to somehow make them happen, but I and HOT as > an organization just do not have that capacity so we can not do that. > > There is an organization that has that capacity, expertise and > organizational contacts, that is UAviators. It would be the height of > irresponsibility for myself or HOT as an organization to attempt > coordinate or launch UAV operations, as much as I wish we could, > especially when there is a professional organization that is already > doing that. > > Non-professionally coordinated UAV operations in a disaster airspace > can ground fleets of full scale aircraft providing relief and > reconnaissance operations and cost lives. Air operations in a disaster > area are serious business and not for amateurs to just do because they > have a drone and 3 batteries. Fred as a professional UAV pilot > recognizes this, unfortunately, we are not the organization > responsible for those activities. UAviators is. > > Again, Fred and Nico are the professionals in this area, they are the > natural folks to take this on and work with UAviators to get Fred > flying his missions. > > There just is not any more HOT can do as it relates to this issue. > Continued discussion of it is a distraction to what HOT can do, which > is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from > responding organizations. > > Regards > Blake > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM, François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu > wrote: > > Bonjour, > > > > ceci est une page pour les créolophones et les francophones d’Haiti, les > > messages doivent être traduits aussi dans une de ces 2 langues. > > Après, permettez moi de ne pas être d’accord avec ce que vous écrivez. > > Même si le conseil d’administration de HOT s’occupe de la stratégie et > > considère ne pas devoir s’impliquer dans tout ce qui concerne les > drones, la > > situation dans les urgences appelle à plus de retenue car on est souvent > > amené à faire des choses que l’on aime pas faire. > > De plus, il ne s’agit pas ici d’une organisation avec qui vous pourriez > > être partenaire mais d’un membre actif de votre organisation, qui > demande un > > soutien. > > Par ailleurs, jusqu’à présent, pour autant que je connaisse, jamais nos > vols > > drone n’ont reçu un quelconque écho défavorable en Haïti que ce soit du > > gouvernement ou des organisations nationales ou internationales qui nous > > soutiennent. > > > > > > This is a page for the Haitian Creole and French of Haiti, s
Re: [Talk-ht] Re [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities
I agree, we have to do things we do not like. I would like nothing more than to have the capacity, expertise and local authority contacts to be able to coordinate or sponsor UAV missions. That is what I would like. I would love to be able to somehow make them happen, but I and HOT as an organization just do not have that capacity so we can not do that. There is an organization that has that capacity, expertise and organizational contacts, that is UAviators. It would be the height of irresponsibility for myself or HOT as an organization to attempt coordinate or launch UAV operations, as much as I wish we could, especially when there is a professional organization that is already doing that. Non-professionally coordinated UAV operations in a disaster airspace can ground fleets of full scale aircraft providing relief and reconnaissance operations and cost lives. Air operations in a disaster area are serious business and not for amateurs to just do because they have a drone and 3 batteries. Fred as a professional UAV pilot recognizes this, unfortunately, we are not the organization responsible for those activities. UAviators is. Again, Fred and Nico are the professionals in this area, they are the natural folks to take this on and work with UAviators to get Fred flying his missions. There just is not any more HOT can do as it relates to this issue. Continued discussion of it is a distraction to what HOT can do, which is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from responding organizations. Regards Blake On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM, François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu wrote: > Bonjour, > > ceci est une page pour les créolophones et les francophones d’Haiti, les > messages doivent être traduits aussi dans une de ces 2 langues. > Après, permettez moi de ne pas être d’accord avec ce que vous écrivez. > Même si le conseil d’administration de HOT s’occupe de la stratégie et > considère ne pas devoir s’impliquer dans tout ce qui concerne les drones, la > situation dans les urgences appelle à plus de retenue car on est souvent > amené à faire des choses que l’on aime pas faire. > De plus, il ne s’agit pas ici d’une organisation avec qui vous pourriez > être partenaire mais d’un membre actif de votre organisation, qui demande un > soutien. > Par ailleurs, jusqu’à présent, pour autant que je connaisse, jamais nos vols > drone n’ont reçu un quelconque écho défavorable en Haïti que ce soit du > gouvernement ou des organisations nationales ou internationales qui nous > soutiennent. > > > This is a page for the Haitian Creole and French of Haiti, so the messages > must be translated too into one of these two languages. > After, let me not agree with what you write. > Although the HOT board of directors is responsible for the strategy and > considers it inappropriate to get involved in everything concerning the UAV, > the situation in emergencies calls for more restraint. Often in emergency > time, we are compulsory to do things we don’t like to do. > Moreover, it is not a question here of an organization with which you > might be partner, but an active member of your organization, which ask you > for your support. > Moreover, until now, as far as I know, never our drone flights did receive > any negative echo in Haiti either government or national or international > organizations that support us. > Sorry for my english > > Bien à vous > Xavier Tardieu ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! Vous pouvez utiliser Google Translate (http://translate.google.com) pour traduire les messages.
