Hi Blake, It's hard to read from your email what HOT as the initial collective and the US incorporated organization HOT US Inc had lose from 2010 Quake response to 2016 Cyclone Matthew response: "HOT can do, which is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from responding organizations."
What about field, local community building and ambition/ability to be a game changer for IM/GIS in the Hum/Dev Field.... in few word truly/really deliver on the objectives of the WHS Summit. Can't you hear what Xavier tell you about their long-lasting ability to operate professionally and smoothly UAVs in Haiti and ensurance to continue in so doing? Do you really think that the Haitian sky is currently filled with UAV/Dronists operating in chaotic and dangerous ways and constituting additional hazards into a crisis ? There should be an equal or superior number of UAVs flying in Tanzania with respect to Haiti, and this rightfully did not prevent HOT US Inc to operate drones. Why can't this be possible in Haiti ? The requests of support are very limited (heli or car rides) and by no means imply stepping on UNOCHA coordination role or other actors with more experience in the field. Your reply signals heavy losses for HOT US Inc from its early times: operational compass, agility and comitment to local communities. This raises question on the very nature of the current nature of community support schemes in HOT US Inc "community" projects: is it for real, or is it for communication, fundraising and finally empire building ? This raises question on the vision associated to community support schemes: what future for communities strengthened by HOT US Inc? What role shall a disaster strike? Contrary to what you seem to intend: these UAV discussions and the underlying questions about community support schemes are by no means distraction to HOT work. These are the core questions around which a concept of operations has to be built to guide OSM efforts in Haiti? If you want to be successful this needs to be fully established. Your repeated refusal to help suggests that In between two major crisis 2010 Quake / 2016 Matthew, HOT US Inc di loose its loccal community compass. Best, Nicolas On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree, we have to do things we do not like. > > I would like nothing more than to have the capacity, expertise and > local authority contacts to be able to coordinate or sponsor UAV > missions. That is what I would like. > > I would love to be able to somehow make them happen, but I and HOT as > an organization just do not have that capacity so we can not do that. > > There is an organization that has that capacity, expertise and > organizational contacts, that is UAviators. It would be the height of > irresponsibility for myself or HOT as an organization to attempt > coordinate or launch UAV operations, as much as I wish we could, > especially when there is a professional organization that is already > doing that. > > Non-professionally coordinated UAV operations in a disaster airspace > can ground fleets of full scale aircraft providing relief and > reconnaissance operations and cost lives. Air operations in a disaster > area are serious business and not for amateurs to just do because they > have a drone and 3 batteries. Fred as a professional UAV pilot > recognizes this, unfortunately, we are not the organization > responsible for those activities. UAviators is. > > Again, Fred and Nico are the professionals in this area, they are the > natural folks to take this on and work with UAviators to get Fred > flying his missions. > > There just is not any more HOT can do as it relates to this issue. > Continued discussion of it is a distraction to what HOT can do, which > is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from > responding organizations. > > Regards > Blake > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM, François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu > <xapit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Bonjour, > > > > ceci est une page pour les créolophones et les francophones d’Haiti, les > > messages doivent être traduits aussi dans une de ces 2 langues. > > Après, permettez moi de ne pas être d’accord avec ce que vous écrivez. > > Même si le conseil d’administration de HOT s’occupe de la stratégie et > > considère ne pas devoir s’impliquer dans tout ce qui concerne les > drones, la > > situation dans les urgences appelle à plus de retenue car on est souvent > > amené à faire des choses que l’on aime pas faire. > > De plus, il ne s’agit pas ici d’une organisation avec qui vous pourriez > > être partenaire mais d’un membre actif de votre organisation, qui > demande un > > soutien. > > Par ailleurs, jusqu’à présent, pour autant que je connaisse, jamais nos > vols > > drone n’ont reçu un quelconque écho défavorable en Haïti que ce soit du > > gouvernement ou des organisations nationales ou internationales qui nous > > soutiennent. > > > > > > This is a page for the Haitian Creole and French of Haiti, so the > messages > > must be translated too into one of these two languages. > > After, let me not agree with what you write. > > Although the HOT board of directors is responsible for the strategy and > > considers it inappropriate to get involved in everything concerning the > UAV, > > the situation in emergencies calls for more restraint. Often in emergency > > time, we are compulsory to do things we don’t like to do. > > Moreover, it is not a question here of an organization with which you > > might be partner, but an active member of your organization, which ask > you > > for your support. > > Moreover, until now, as far as I know, never our drone flights did > receive > > any negative echo in Haiti either government or national or international > > organizations that support us. > > Sorry for my english > > > > Bien à vous > > Xavier Tardieu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Activation Working Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to activation+unsubscr...@hotosm.org. > To post to this group, send email to activat...@hotosm.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > hotosm.org/d/msgid/activation/CABmB%2B%2BQ2Zy-rCgDSCiH2JKwLKg-039Z8% > 3DOTPJSRO9n4Fbp3QfA%40mail.gmail.com. > -- Nicolas Chavent Projet OpenStreetMap (OSM) Projet Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF) Mobile (FRA): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20 Mobile (CIV): +225 78 12 76 99 <nicolas.chav...@hotosm.org> Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com Skype: c_nicolas Twitter: nicolas_chavent _______________________________________________ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht Notez! 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