Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2009-08-25 Per discussione Chris Fleming
It's amazing that they seem to make the data so hard to get at, given that the objective is to get people to use public transport. Are they really generating serious revenues from this data? Cheers Chris On 24/08/09 21:45, Peter Miller wrote: On 24 Aug 2009, at 20:18, Péter Connell wrote:

[Talk-transit] Mentioned on the Open Knowledge Foundation blog

2009-08-25 Per discussione Frankie Roberto
Nice article here: http://blog.okfn.org/2009/08/20/where-is-the-nearest-bus-stop-uk-department-for-transport-adds-naptan-data-to-open-street-map/ -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

2009-08-25 Per discussione Melchior Moos
That said, I don't think one way or node can belong to the same relation more than once! So you wouldn't be able to map the 'loop' perfectly yet. Of course it can and it should in such case! member type='node' ref='D' order='1' / member type='node' ref='C' order='2' / member

Re: [talk-ph] Palawan getting better

2009-08-25 Per discussione George Tujan
nice one jeff!, I really hope to visit puerto princesa again :D On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:36 AM, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Nice work jeff! http://osm.org/go/4nF853b -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joel
that's something i would check yeah. but how much i would check depends on the ammount of POI's :P if there are 10, checking every single one would be a bit time consuming. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:29 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 25/8/09, Joel

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Joel joelheeth...@gmail.com wrote: that's something i would check yeah.  but how much i would check depends on the ammount of POI's :P   if there are 10, checking every single one would be a bit time consuming. I didn't mean manually, you'd use a query to find out if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joel
I'm not sure how to do that, but i'll try to figure it out if importing this data is legal. I've also managed to get some POI data in GPX format, how do i go about importing that? i tried JOSM, but couldnt figure it out. (sorry for being off-topic) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:20 AM, John Smith

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Joel wrote: In the 2nd message on this page you'll read With regards to intellectual property, Wiktude.me will be implemented under a Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License. Could anyone give an answer wether it is legal to import POI location+information from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joel
Thanks for the info! to bad though, would have been a nice addition. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Joel wrote: In the 2nd message on this page you'll read With regards to intellectual property, Wiktude.me will be implemented under a Creative

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joel
They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. but not the information embedded in the POI. i think that if the POIs were placed on Yahoo's photos it would be legal (seeing as they gave permission to trace photos) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Gustav Foseid

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Joel joelheeth...@gmail.com wrote: They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. I have tried to find something in their terms that verifies this, but have not found anything. Could you please be a bit more specific? Even if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Gustav Foseid wrote: This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps or other sites). Could you provide some more details? Getting any information out of Google as to what they do claim, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Gustav Foseid wrote: That is, however, something different from clearly stating It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. You're right. Brevity never really sits well with geodata copyright. :( cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Per discussione Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 12:18 +0200, Joel wrote: They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. but not the information embedded in the POI. i think that if the POIs were placed on Yahoo's photos it would be legal (seeing as they gave permission to trace photos)

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI URL for one way by ID?

2009-08-25 Per discussione 80n
XAPI is intended to provide capabilities that are not available with the standard API. It is not intended to duplicate the API capabilities. So the quick answer is use the API if you want to get a way by id. The longer answer is that it could be implemented in XAPI fairly trivially, and was

Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots

2009-08-25 Per discussione Tom Chance
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:56:00 +0200, Alexander Klink o...@alech.de wrote: Sorry, didn't think about that. I've changed the bot to use osm.org, my bots will use that right away, I hope the other bot owners will update as well. What's the URL for the code, again, for those of us running the bot

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI URL for one way by ID?

2009-08-25 Per discussione Gary68
hi! but XAPI is also intended to take load off the API, right? so it might be a good idea to implement these simple query functions. my 2cts cheers gerhard gary68 On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 07:31 +0100, 80n wrote: XAPI is intended to provide capabilities that are not available with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
What's the URL for the code, again, for those of us running the bot who are daft enough to have deleted that original email? Take a look into the Archives: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-August/040750.html Peter ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I see what you mean, but the stop sign does NOT apply to just an intersection - it applies to a way(s) AND an intersection. This is because the applicability of the stop sign at an intersection might depend on your

[OSM-talk] highway=construction

2009-08-25 Per discussione Liz
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=construction this page says that you have highway=construction along with any other highway tag eg highway=trunk this use is now outdated with API=6 as only one highway tag is allowed. advice please?

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I see what you mean, but the stop sign does NOT apply to just an intersection - it applies to a way(s) AND an intersection. This is because the

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI URL for one way by ID?

2009-08-25 Per discussione Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Gary68 schrieb: hi! but XAPI is also intended to take load off the API, right? so it might be a good idea to implement these simple query functions. actually, no. The XAPI was really written to answer types of queries where the API would not cope, or the API was not made for (give me every

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=construction

2009-08-25 Per discussione Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Liz schrieb: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=construction this page says that you have highway=construction along with any other highway tag eg highway=trunk this use is now outdated with API=6 as only one highway tag is allowed. advice please? highway=construction

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=construction

2009-08-25 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Liz wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=construction this page says that you have highway=construction along with any other highway tag eg highway=trunk No, it doesn't (unless I'm missing something). It says that construction uses the /value/ of other highway tags:

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-25 Per discussione Christiaan Welvaart
hi, On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: I listed :backward and :forward postfixes for access keys What you are doing here seems like picking raisins from conditional tagging and trying to handle it as a special case. I'm not sure whether you are aware of my proposal?

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-25 Per discussione Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:47:14 +0200 (CEST), Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org wrote: hi, On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: I listed :backward and :forward postfixes for access keys What you are doing here seems like picking raisins from conditional tagging and trying to

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You say the node when you mean a node somewhere near the node. near means where the sign is. I prefer 1) for a number of reasons. IMHO, 2) and 3) are more or less attempts to mimic 1) in order to avoid using a relation.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not againt relations when it is adding information. If I have a 100 meters way and a single stop sign node 5 meters before the intersection, It is just waste of time and resource to add a relation for something obvious. I have better

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: This whole argument seems to be about tagging for routing software which is as bad as tagging for render. What's so bad about sticking a stop node 3-5m before the intersection, after all how many junctions have a

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI URL for one way by ID?

2009-08-25 Per discussione 80n
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Gary68 g...@gary68.de wrote: hi! but XAPI is also intended to take load off the API, right? so it might be a good idea to implement these simple query functions. Yes, it does now help to take the load off the main API so there is some sense in implementing

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=construction

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: advice please? highway=construction construction=residential or motorway or whatever ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Morten Kjeldgaardm...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: hard-to-verify data - I don't see why incline=* is any harder to verify than ele=* - as you said yourself, if you have one you can calculate/verify the other... I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-25 Per discussione Christiaan Welvaart
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:47:14 +0200 (CEST), Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org wrote: hi, On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: I listed :backward and :forward postfixes for access keys What you are doing here seems like

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: This whole argument seems to be about tagging for routing software which is as bad as tagging for render. What's so bad about sticking a stop node 3-5m before the intersection, after all how many junctions have a stop

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: This is not about tagging for routing software. Then what is it? I'll ask again, how many stop signs appear after you go through an intersection? In my experience the answer is none, so it's a simple calculation to establish which

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I have a different stance - I am against using anything that isn't a relation when a relation is necessary. no problem with that. And a relation is necessary when a tag involves an inseparable interaction of ways/nodes,

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Or we could just always use a relation, so that mapping and software  don't have to check for two different things, when editing and  processing data respectively. Or in other words, tagging for the routing software, this

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione James Livingston
On 25/08/2009, at 10:22 PM, John Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 25/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Or we could just always use a relation, so that mapping and software don't have to check for two different things, when editing and processing data respectively. Or in other words,

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 157

2009-08-25 Per discussione James Livingston
On 25/08/2009, at 9:37 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: What is everyone's preference? I quite like the relation described at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop In fact, that relation avoids the need to split the way at the junction if the stop sign applies in

[OSM-talk] duplications in data-layer on openstreetmap.org

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
Hi take a look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.18236lon=-44.91328zoom=15layers=B000FTTT In fact there are 3 ways in the middle of the ocean, but the object-list shows 9 - each of them 3 times: * Way 35373399 * Way 35373587 * Way 35373412 * Way 35373399 * Way

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) a relation with the node and the way as members, as in, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop) 2) the way tagged with indirect reference to the node (i.e. start or end node of way)

Re: [OSM-talk] duplications in data-layer on openstreetmap.org

2009-08-25 Per discussione Vincent MEURISSE
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 02:48:26 pm Peter Körner wrote: In fact there are 3 ways in the middle of the ocean, but the object-list shows 9 - each of them 3 times: What are these way doing there ? Can anyone reproduce this problem? The problem is not specific to the area. This one give me the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joseph Booker
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:34:52 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll ask again, how many stop signs appear after you go through an intersection? I'm a little tired of reading about this, so I'm going to contribute my two cents: Almost every intersection I've seen has the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Sorry, I had a typo in that sentence - it should read so that mappers  and software As well as software, it makes it easier for mappers  who wouldn't have to check arbitrary nodes around a junction. No, the easiest thing

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down

2009-08-25 Per discussione Mike Harris
I just tried to apply the 'architects' convention' of steps 'always' being from bottom to top. Then for unrelated reasons I reversed the way. Unlike 'oneway' this does not reverse the direction of the steps - i.e. the software doesn't know about the architects' convention. So I have to conclude

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Joseph Booker j...@neoturbine.net wrote: Almost every intersection I've seen has the stop sign *at* the intersection. The intersection is the middle of the two or more ways intersecting, the stop sign is always before the intersection, not at the intersection. Here,

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Joseph Booker
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:19 +0200 Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) a relation with the node and the way as members, as in, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop) 2) the way

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Childs
2009/8/25 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: How can mapping out a node not be simple? It is a lot simpler than mapping out a relation or splitting a way etc etc etc and the only thing that benefits from stop sign information is routing software, editors don't, mappers don't so making it

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Joseph Bookerj...@neoturbine.net wrote: According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop , it seems like you would just have 3 relations. The first relation would include the node for the top intersection and the two

Re: [OSM-talk] duplications in data-layer on openstreetmap.org

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
Vincent MEURISSE schrieb: On Tuesday 25 August 2009 02:48:26 pm Peter Körner wrote: In fact there are 3 ways in the middle of the ocean, but the object-list shows 9 - each of them 3 times: What are these way doing there ? They were added by a new OSMler. He was notified and the ways were

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Joseph Booker j...@neoturbine.net wrote: It's not a normal traffic light. It is legally and practically treated the same as a stop sign. My state describes it as This sign is used at intersections when a stop sign alone is hard to see or where additional emphasis on the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Pieren wrote: A small pic is better than a long speach. One example with one major street and six minor streets all having stops when intersecting with the major street: Or three minor roads all crossing the same major one | ---+--- | ---+--- | ---+--- | 3) add 6

[OSM-talk] [Announcement] Support added for route waypoints in YOURS

2009-08-25 Per discussione Lambertus
Hereby I would like to announce that YOURS now has the capability to use the long awaited via points (waypoints) in a route. The code for this feature has been contributed by Philip Homburg. Web design is still rather crude, but that will hopefully improve over time. Last week a few other

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] Support added for route waypoints in YOURS

2009-08-25 Per discussione Patrick Kilian
Hi all, Hereby I would like to announce that YOURS now has the capability to use the long awaited via points (waypoints) in a route. The code for this feature has been contributed by Philip Homburg. Web design is still rather crude, but that will hopefully improve over time. Very cool

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] Support added for route waypoints in YOURS

2009-08-25 Per discussione Lambertus
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:00:32 +0200, Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de wrote: Very cool feature. But I do have a small nitpick: it looks like you can't drop a waypoint... There's the 'clear' button ;-) Without kidding, being able to remove a single waypoint will be added soon.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 25/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: This is not about tagging for routing software. Then what is it? It's about choosing the most appropriate way to tag something that *intrinsically* involves

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM, James Livingstondoc...@mac.com wrote: Or we could just always use a relation, so that [mappers] and software don't have to check for two different things, when editing and processing data respectively. Yup. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: First interaction is the coordinates/positions of these elements. We shouldn't create relations if the information can be deduced from the positions. We had a similar discussion about identifying all objects inside a polygon (tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Joseph Bookerj...@neoturbine.net wrote: You gain nothing with the proposals raised compared to relations, except some avoidance of relations. With relations the tagging is much simpler, it makes sense intuitively when you come across it in the data...

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:06 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Have a look at the awful way someone came up with tagging speed cameras, I couldn't figure it out at the time so I ended up tagging speed cameras as a single node with highway=speed_camera. Why would making it harder

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Peter Childspchi...@bcs.org wrote: The only time I can see a relation actually helping is with stuff that is difficult to map like no left turn Do you realise why you need a relation for no left turn? It's because the restriction *intrinsically involves more

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos

2009-08-25 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Erik Johansson wrote: BTW. Getting good video audio is hard, it takes money with lots and lots of time. As I already wrote, the Chaos Communication Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Congress also succeeds in producing appropriate videos. If the videos at SOTM would be

[OSM-talk] data for gosmore

2009-08-25 Per discussione Lukasz Stelmach
Hello. I am playing with gosmore a bit but it looks like rubbish :-( It draws only random ways as vertical and horizontal lines and cannot find even simpliest ~200m routes. I rebuilt gosmore.pak with only a country osm file, do I have to use the whole planet for it to work? -- Było mi bardzo

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that deducing the meaning of a node tagged with stop from the positions of the ways and nodes in the vicinity is equally clear. I know you disagree. Pre-processor finds a stop sign, looks for the nearest junction

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that deducing the meaning of a node tagged with stop from the positions of the ways and nodes in the vicinity is equally clear. I know you

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I still think it isn't best-practice, for the reasons I've already described, but I admit it is attractive if you really, really don't like relations (for some reason...). It's not that I dislike relations, I think they're

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Stephen Hope
2009/8/26 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Pre-processor finds a stop sign, looks for the nearest junction node which it would already know is a junction

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: What about railway crossings?  I've seen railway crossings with no lights, gates or similar, just a stop sign.  Usually way out in the middle of nowhere, so there may not be a routable junction for quite some distance, and even if

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: What about railway crossings?  I've seen railway crossings with no lights, gates or similar, just a stop sign.  Usually way out in the middle of nowhere, so there may not be a routable junction for quite some distance, and

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Good point. Also, how about a straight section of road that becomes narrow (single lane) in one section, and therefore has a stop (or give way) sign on one side of the narrow section. There's no junction at all in this case.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-25 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually there is still a junction from when it goes from 2 lanes to 1 lane, and the (usually in .au) give way sign is before the junction of the 2 lanes into one. Only if the lanes are marked as separate ways, which

[OSM-talk] Fw: Re: Wiki Spam

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Spam To: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:44 PM Hi, Absolutely, like a Russian speaking OSMer I can confirm

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Routering met waypoints toegevoegd aan YOURS

2009-08-25 Per discussione Floris Looijesteijn
hmmm, nadat ik dit mailtje heb afgetypt heeft ie de bestemming eindelijk gevonden. minuten wachttijd is niet echt bruikbaar in mijn ogen... groet, floris Floris Looijesteijn wrote: ik wil niet al te negatief klinken maar waarom nieuwe features toevoegen terwijl de basis functionaliteit zelden

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-08-25 Per discussione John Smith
I've updated the LC Australia page, I have no idea what people would be willing to pay to join so I flipped a coin and put it initially at $20/yr or $10/yr for concession holders. This is half the amount wikimedia australia has for membership fees and I can't figure out from their website

[Talk-br] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots

2009-08-25 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Fala galera, esse camarada criou um bot para publicar os changesets de uma determinada área no twitter. Já pedi para ele criar o http://twitter.com/osm_rio com a bbox da Região Metropolitana do Rio de Janeiro. Se vocês quiserem bots de outras regiões, mandem um email para ele (ou para mim e eu

Re: [Talk-de] Pavillons mit gleicher Hausnummer

2009-08-25 Per discussione Georg Feddern
Moin, Tobias Wendorff schrieb: User Privat schrieb: Das ein Grundstück (eine Adresse und Hausnummer) mit mehreren Gebäuden bebaut wird, ist ja nichts Besonderes, aber im allgemeinen gibt es dann zur Differenzierung für die Gebäude noch interne Bezeichnungen oder Nummern. Beispiel:

Re: [Talk-de] Zwei Fragen zum Karlsruhe-Schema

2009-08-25 Per discussione Georg Feddern
Moin, Mirko Küster schrieb: Hast du da mal ein Beispiel fuer? Also PLZ und Straßenname gleich? Ich kenne so spontan keines und ich waere davon ausgegangen das bis auf wirklich seltene historische ausnahmen das tuple PLZ/Straßenname unique ist vor allem dann wenn es dort wirklich Gebaeude

[Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! wenn man Tiles berechnet dann oftmals für eine Fläche die rechtecktig definiert ist. Damit ergeben sich immer zwangsläufig auch Leer-Kacheln. Kann man diese irgendwo dran erkennen und ggf. autom. über ein Perl-Skript z.b. löschen ?? Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:35:13AM +0200, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Moin ! wenn man Tiles berechnet dann oftmals für eine Fläche die rechtecktig definiert ist. Damit ergeben sich immer zwangsläufig auch Leer-Kacheln. Kann man diese irgendwo dran erkennen und ggf. autom. über ein

Re: [Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Moin ! wenn man Tiles berechnet dann oftmals für eine Fläche die rechtecktig definiert ist. Damit ergeben sich immer zwangsläufig auch Leer-Kacheln. Kann man diese irgendwo dran erkennen und ggf. autom. über ein Perl-Skript z.b. löschen ?? ti...@home macht

Re: [Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
ti...@home macht das so, dass er mit der libGD die Kacheln vergleicht, und wenn eine Kachel komplett weiss oder komplett blau ist, wird diese jeweils durch ein 67 byte oder ein 69 byte png ersetzt. Wenn du das direkt auf dem Server implementierst, solltest du jedoch besser Symlinks verwenden,

Re: [Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Peter Körner schrieb: ti...@home macht das so, dass er mit der libGD die Kacheln vergleicht, und wenn eine Kachel komplett weiss oder komplett blau ist, wird diese jeweils durch ein 67 byte oder ein 69 byte png ersetzt. Wenn du das direkt auf dem Server implementierst, solltest du jedoch

Re: [Talk-de] leere Tiles löschen

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
Dirk-Lüder Kreie schrieb: Peter Körner schrieb: ti...@home macht das so, dass er mit der libGD die Kacheln vergleicht, und wenn eine Kachel komplett weiss oder komplett blau ist, wird diese jeweils durch ein 67 byte oder ein 69 byte png ersetzt. Wenn du das direkt auf dem Server

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 23. August 2009 13:55 schrieb Patrick Hanft patr...@phlogfile.de: Jan Tappenbeck wrote: verbesserungswürdig finde ich noch etwas untertrieben - für eine Erstbetrachter ist die Menüführung sehr schwierig und wird wohl in einem Themenwechsel enden. Sehe ich zwar ähnlich, ist aber ein

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-25 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Am Di, 25.08.2009, 13:22 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Und auch amenity=drinking_water wäre ein sehr nettes Feature in manchen Gegenden. Mir wären freie POI-Wählbarkeit und UTM wichtig. Und dann Vektor-PSFs, die man mit Mapnik und osmarender leicht erzeugen kann.

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25. August 2009 01:32 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Irgendwie nicht so ganz glücklich...Ist ja doch ehr was eigenständiges (das zum Teil zwar kombiniert wird) als eine Untergruppe von Cafe oder Restaurant, restaurant ist daher auch in unserem Vorschlag nicht vorgesehen, wir sehen es als

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25. August 2009 01:15 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Adiac schrieb: Hallo zusammen, wie taggt man einen Modellflugplatz? Habe dazu nichts gefunden. Ich zitiere mich :-)  : Diebezüglich gab es schon Diskussionen, ich tagge schon seit einger Zeit Modellflugplätze. Es macht Sinn für die

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25. August 2009 13:32 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Am Di, 25.08.2009, 13:22 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Und auch amenity=drinking_water wäre ein sehr nettes Feature in manchen Gegenden. Mir wären freie POI-Wählbarkeit und UTM wichtig. Und dann Vektor-PSFs,

[Talk-de] Motorway im Atlantik

2009-08-25 Per discussione Ana Luisa Paldos Garcia
Hi, bin ich eben per Zufall drüber gestolpert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.17939lon=-44.90553zoom=15layers=B000FTF Ich glaube nicht, dass der da hin gehört. Bevor der gelöscht wird, weiß jemand, wie man herausbekommt, welche User den angelegt hat ? Grüße

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-25 Per discussione Jonas Krückel
Am 25.08.2009 um 13:22 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com : Am 23. August 2009 13:55 schrieb Patrick Hanft patr...@phlogfile.de: Jan Tappenbeck wrote: verbesserungswürdig finde ich noch etwas untertrieben - für eine Erstbetrachter ist die Menüführung sehr schwierig und

Re: [Talk-de] Motorway im Atlantik

2009-08-25 Per discussione Olaf Kotzte
In Potlatch das Objekt anklicken und h drücken. Bearbeiter hier ist stoimen erstellt am 2. Juni 09. Am 25.08.2009 um 13:46 schrieb Ana Luisa Paldos Garcia: Hi, bin ich eben per Zufall drüber gestolpert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.17939lon=-44.90553zoom=15layers=B000FTF Ich glaube

Re: [Talk-de] Motorway im Atlantik

2009-08-25 Per discussione Peter Körner
bin ich eben per Zufall drüber gestolpert. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.17939lon=-44.90553zoom=15layers=B000FTF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.17939lon=-44.90553zoom=15layers=B000FTF Ich glaube nicht, dass der da hin gehört. Bevor der gelöscht wird, weiß jemand, wie man

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 25. August 2009 13:48 schrieb Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de: Ja, das Rendering finde ich auch noch verbesserungswürdig. Eure konkreten Wünsche könnt ihr hier hinzufügen: http://github.com/migurski/paperwalking/iss danke, allerdings ist dort soweit ich es sehe eine Registrierung

Re: [Talk-de] Motorway im Atlantik

2009-08-25 Per discussione MatsH
Hi, du kannst dir den Data-Overlay anzeigen lassen und dort auch die History. Dort steht: Edited by stoimen at 2009-06-02T14:57:05Z Das würde sich dann also um diesen Weg handeln: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35373399 Grüße, Mats On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:46:17 +0200 Ana Luisa

Re: [Talk-de] Wofuer alles Loecher in landuse

2009-08-25 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 23. August 2009 21:18 schrieb Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de: Robert S. schrieb: Ausgeschnitten werden muss aber nur, was nicht zu so einem Gebiet gehört. Leider gibt es keine klare Definition, was zu einem Gebiet gehoert und was nicht (Gehoert z.B. ein Park zu einem Wohngebiet? Oder ein

[Talk-de] Neue Straßenlisten

2009-08-25 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! SvenA hat einige neue Straßenverzeichnisse bereitgestellt - vielen Dank dafür. Sylt (S-H): http://svenanders.openstreetmap.de/SV-stat/Schleswig-Holstein/Sylt/ Wedel (S-H): http://svenanders.openstreetmap.de/SV-stat/Schleswig-Holstein/Wedel/ Celle (Nds):

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Straßenlisten

2009-08-25 Per discussione Tobias Wendorff
Kann man das irgendwie mit Flo's Auswertung kombinieren oder stehen die Listen unter Verschluss, wie von einigen Kommunen gefordert? Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Moin ! SvenA hat einige neue Straßenverzeichnisse bereitgestellt - vielen Dank dafür. Sylt (S-H):

Re: [Talk-de] Wofuer alles Loecher in landuse

2009-08-25 Per discussione Georg Feddern
Moin, Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 23. August 2009 21:18 schrieb Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de: = Im Zweifelsfall immer ausschneiden. +1 Eine Ausnahme mache ich eigentlich nur bei Gebaeuden. wie meinst Du das denn? Gebäude bestimmen doch - wo vorhanden - gerade

Re: [Talk-de] Neue Straßenlisten

2009-08-25 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! Du kannst Dir bei SvenA ein Passwort besorgen - alles weitere findest Du hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Stra%C3%9Fenverzeichnis#Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Gruß Jan :-) Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Kann man das irgendwie mit Flo's Auswertung kombinieren oder stehen die Listen

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