Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-19 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: Can you submit copyrighted data if you agreed to the new Contributor Terms, even if it's under a free license? Obviously only if it's a free license which is compatible with DbCL. That probably includes CC0 and not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable Interesting. I just noticed the

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Per discussione Anthony
your data, and such vandalism will usually rightfully lead to the community reverting it. What if a new contributor reverts it? Would the revert then be considered ODBL? Terribly thought out process. Terrible idea in the first place. Anthony ___ Talk

Re: [Talk-us] Restriction tagging

2010-05-02 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: I think that would be mapped as a separate parallel way, with the one way's causing it to prevent it using the exit that you can't use, thus producing correct routing. Shaun Well, it wasn't.

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.comwrote: The bigger issue with it being imported into OSM is the currency, because municipal boundaries are always changing, and as has been mentioned, boundaries are not usually something that is easily verifiable on the

Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

2010-04-18 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
Hi Maning, No, not at all passable. Anthony On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote: anthony, Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road for now? On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eugene, Went out

Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

2010-04-18 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
of getting crushed like a tiny ant. We'll see if commonwealth ext is possible :) On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 07:27 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: So should we draw it and mark it as highway=construction? On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [talk-ph] First case of removing tainted data

2010-04-06 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
every rush hour in there. I will not miss that, i live in the area *wink* Bytheway, im uploading some traces taken at Negros, from Bacolod down south to Dumaguete. Tracing these at the same time. Anthony On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 04:42 -0700, ianlopez wrote: I'm planning to remove some tainted

Re: [OSM-talk] River boundaries , not Post code areas

2010-04-06 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 6 April 2010 18:00, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about NSW and Vic case, but in the above cases the official Well we're talking about this specific case and the border is based on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Wave si great for organizing OSM mapping parties

2010-04-05 Per discussione Anthony
and those on the wiki. This way the many individuals who wish to avoid Google can participate too. Anthony On Apr 5, 2010 6:22 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 05:37, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: which they don't fully realise. ... I found it weird

Re: [talk-ph] copyright infringement detection notes

2010-04-04 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
arguments on google-earth derived data? Anthony On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:20 +0800, maning sambale wrote: Hi, I am collecting my own thoughts on how we can resolve possible copyright issues within osm-ph. There are several notes in the wiki dealing with this cases including an OSM

Re: [talk-ph] copyright infringement detection notes

2010-04-04 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
I never thought of that, but it makes sense :) On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:51 +0800, maning sambale wrote: My suspicious self tells me this is an April's Fools Day joke. :) On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Perhaps some of you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-02 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Do you add the 'postcode' as a tag to each house, or just create a relation for a post code? Neither. I let people look up postcodes using lookup tables, not maps. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Post code areas are tremendously useful in Germany because they are commonly used as a cheap machine readable form of location descriptor (enter your post code to find the nearest band branch etc). That's a good use for

Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas

2010-04-01 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: There is a post code database that is officially maintained but it is not free. That's...interesting. Wouldn't any accurate description of the post codes necessarily be a derivative of that official database? If you're

Re: [talk-ph] Bacolod City again

2010-03-28 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
Perhaps you've got time to look into this http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.94963lon=120.08165zoom=15layers=B000FTFT too. Came across while tracing few uploaded gps tracks. On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 13:20 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On second though, the GPX track is too artificial. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Editor without relation-support makes sense?

2010-03-25 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Seventy 7 seven...@operamail.com wrote: Tirkon wrote: I found some discussions within OSM, that it would make sense to offer an OSM editor especially for beginners. To make it easy enough, they should not confuse the beginner with complicated stuff

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: We NEED as a mater of urgency an agreed method of MANAGING groups of ways that at a low zoom level define a single linear object, but at higher zoom levels show that the 'boundaries', carriage ways and structure are

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: How to add USGS high res imagery as a layer for tracing. you could file a josm-ticket to have them in the basic configuration (already as preset like yahoo). (add the wms

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways (one

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: How about 4: delete the TIGER imported administrative boundaries? In my experience a) they're not very good, and b) we should be using boundary relations anyway. How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How will boundary relations help what? If you were asking how they help in general, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary In particular, they Make it easier to stitch all the parts of a border to each other

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and mis-edited? The use of boundary relations doesn't prevent people from

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 13:31, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 1) How so? In the worst case scenario you have an equal-sized mess. Can you give an example? Because you are trying to hit a moving target... What does

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 13:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: True. What's your point? That you haven't actually done much work on boundaries to figure this all out for yourself and the pitfalls of some of the suggestions

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 14:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: YOU said that I meant re-use the road as part of a relation. But in fact I did not. My position on that is that sometimes that is a good idea

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what the border is in the first place. How many borders in the US are there exactly? 3

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:45 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: What are the thing or things you know know that you wish you'd known when you started with OpenStreetMap? How to add USGS high res imagery as a layer for tracing. ___ talk mailing

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-12 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:37:17 -0500, Anthony wrote: How so? I said motorway and/or trunk roads. Any roads which don't qualify as motorways would be trunks. But expressways are trunks. All of them? If you say so

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-12 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:37:17 -0500, Anthony wrote: How so? I said motorway and/or trunk roads. Any roads which don't qualify as motorways would

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-09 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:21:17 -0500, Anthony wrote: Yeah. Motorway is simple. A road designated exclusively for motor vehicles. That's not true for most of America (as only 23 states prohibit bicycles

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Anthony wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by work differently. The laws of different states are different, so the information which needs to be presented by the map is different. The maps, therefore, are going

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The important, worldwide criteria that I'd expect is this: *Motorways are exclusive to motor vehicle traffic. *trunks are the most important roads in a geographic area which aren't motorways. As a corollary to this, Alaska should

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: some errata on OSM

2010-03-07 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
C5-Mindanao intersection updated to correct the routing issue. Thanks to Ian's suggestions. On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 18:05 -0800, ianlopez wrote: The tunnel should be tagged as highway=construction; construction=primary. Regarding Granada, it is either a two-way road or a one way road heading

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Anthony wrote: Yeah. Motorway is simple. A road designated exclusively for motor vehicles. The rest should probably be handled on a state by state basis. Europe doesn't have a single tagging scheme for all of its

Re: [Talk-us] proposed first principles for United States road tagging

2010-03-06 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I think it would be better if greater weight were given to what network a particular road belongs to. Freeway expressway = motorway or trunk,

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos

2010-03-01 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, si...@mungewell.org wrote: Google tech is really nice Yeah. Anyone know how they're doing this? It's stuff like this that makes me think that a free, non-profit project is always going to be many steps behind the big boys when it comes to this domain.

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos

2010-03-01 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:51 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 2 March 2010 03:28, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Yeah. Anyone know how they're doing this? It's stuff like this that makes me think that a free, non-profit project is always going to be many steps behind

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos

2010-03-01 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 2 March 2010 04:36, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Wikipedia is a whole different beast. It'll likely be replaced by Google when and if Google come out with a breakthrough in natural language processing

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-25 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 February 2010 17:19, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I completely disagree. We're running a project to map the world, We agree on that - but I claim that to do so effectively we have to harness the power of

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-25 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 February 2010 17:28, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Are you sure about that? How many people does it take to map the world? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? More than that? The more the merrier

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-23 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:33 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 23 February 2010 17:30, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Perhaps they did, but they would be wrong. Because of hindsight? No, because ways aren't powerful enough to build complex data structures. Relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: I live in a place where I feel the need to map some streets as areas. If I start a little of such mapping, will routing software get

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: ...Way representation is more useful for ... - anything that has directional information, such as oneway roads Exactly. Mapping a way as an

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: On Monday 22 February 2010 23:26:52, John Smith wrote: On 23 February 2010 08:05, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: I remember someone complaining with me that routers not supporting highway=* + area=yes in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Exactly. Mapping a way as an area is fine as long as you also represent *the path of travel*. What path of travel? There are many paths of travel

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:30 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 23 February 2010 16:22, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I only found one (the one about directional information, in the case of a one-way road) to be correct. The other 5 were complaints about how the current

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:49 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 23 February 2010 16:43, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: We've got all the tools we need - nodes and relations. With them we can build anything else we want. I'm sure people said the same thing about ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-21 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.comwrote: I live in a place where I feel the need to map some streets as areas. If I start a little of such mapping, will routing software get confused? If it's not a one-way road, routing software should be pretty much fine,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contributor Terms draft changes

2010-02-14 Per discussione Anthony
You agree to only add Contents for which You are the copyright holder (to the extent the Contents include any copyrightable elements). If You are not the copyright holder of the Contents, You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission

Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-12 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: Why not offset the nodes a little to make them easier to work with and be able to see that there is two ways there? Because that would be tagging for the srenderer/s editor.

Re: [OSM-talk] Two different ways with the same nodes?

2010-02-11 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:57 PM, ed...@billiau.net wrote: Hi, Stefan Pflumm wrote: this ways are all highways. It surely is unusual for two highways sharing the same nodes, and I cannot think of an example where this would make sense. But that doesn't mean there is none; can you

Re: [Talk-us] FCC Antenna Structure Import

2010-02-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: tag k=fcc:unique_system_identifier v=2645662/ tag k=website v= http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=2645662 / I'd say this is redundant, and would lose the url (doesn't seem very

Re: [Talk-us] FCC Antenna Structure Import

2010-02-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: tag k=ele v=278.9/ By the way, what is the datum for the elevation figure? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[talk-ph] Reservation Request for GPS Unit

2010-02-04 Per discussione Anthony G. Balico
Hi Maning, Is there any chance i can loan one? Already updated the OSM Ph wiki and reflected my request http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/GPStogo_program#Reservation_requests Thanks. Anthony

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: If you are interested in this proposal, please visit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gated_community to see full details and discuss. Why not use

Re: [Talk-us] script for adding layer=1 to bridges

2010-01-28 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:34 PM, dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe I should rephrase my question: is there any harm in adding a layer=1 tag to something that is already tagged bridge=yes? In some cases, yes. No layer tag implies layer=0. For example (and it's only a single example which

Re: [Talk-us] script for adding layer=1 to bridges

2010-01-28 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer My take is that the open to the air surface is layer 0 Ground or water. That seems to be the intention, but it doesn't always work in the real world, mainly because the

Re: [Talk-us] script for adding layer=1 to bridges

2010-01-28 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I feel a script applying layer=1 to any bridge without a layer tag should be ok IF it also checks for bridges that cross it and increment those layer numbers

Re: [Talk-us] script for adding layer=1 to bridges

2010-01-27 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: What we can't tell without checking satellite view is whether the bridge is at grade level with the Railroad in a ditch, or if the bridge pitches up over the RR. Or both. Or maybe halfway between the two (think

Re: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5)

2010-01-20 Per discussione anthony . balico
Hi Maning, Just wondrin what are we going to use as source- name. From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 01/21/2010 11:15 AM Subject: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area(SPOT5) This came

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I think Google and others will quickly rape the PD server This assumes that they can find a means to import and check the data. This is Google - it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
That's not how the ODBL works. When the switch is made to the ODBL, every individual changeset/node/way/etc will be effectively in the PD (everyone in the world will have a non-revocable license to do anything restricted by copyright law). Only the database as a whole will be under ODBL. On

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: That's not how the ODBL works. When the switch is made to the ODBL, every individual changeset/node/way/etc will be effectively in the PD (everyone in the world will have a non

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I didn't say it's invalid so much as it's redundant. All contributions are effectively PD anyway. Or, will be when/if the new contributor terms are adopted. ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:24 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I didn't say it's invalid so much as it's redundant. All contributions are effectively PD anyway. That still isn't the point, people want to produce PD data that is readily

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why would it be difficult? If a node was created under license X and has only been edited by other users allowing license X then it's under license X. Unless, some share-alike

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:34 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: So one person needs to anonymously download everything from OSM and put it up on another website which doesn't have the ODbL on it. What you are suggesting is shady at best

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:42 AM, DavidD thewi...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2010/1/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I didn't say it's invalid so much as it's redundant. All contributions are effectively PD anyway. That still isn't the point, people

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: Anthony wrote: How exactly does one get protection as a database owner? It's unclear to me how OSMF would get protection as a database owner since

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: whereas if the data is not copyrighted, but given to me under a contract that stipulates that I may not put it up on a web site and say download and use freely then * I am in breach of contract * anyone who downloads

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote: But I think you're missing the fact that sites which try to restrict people from copying their databases pretty much universally do not provide database dumps. I don't think that matters at all

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-12 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm already a little dubious about the value of recording the locations of professional services like lawyers. Why not just have a separate project for directories of all kinds, make sure our addressing works, and use

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Now either we provide that information, by making a rule and hoping everyone understands and adheres to it (unlikely), or else we just try and keep our nodes close enough to each other because that will then reduce the

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: But if you want to edit a small area in the middle, your editor won't download the huge outer areas required to find that such a line exists. This was done by design, because it makes processing an API request much easier,

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de wrote: Hi all, And, thinking about it a bit, I guess the proper rule is that (10, 10) - (30, 30) passes through (20, 20), since it's completely unrealistic to assume that the basic renderers will do otherwise. And this is

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Per discussione Anthony
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de wrote: THAT depends on your definition of straight line. I suppose, but it'd have to be a pretty contrived definition of straight line to be equivalent to Spherical Mercator, would it not? I think that line that are straight

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: John Smith wrote: 2010/1/8 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: I think don't map for the renderer is a nice idea, but has nothing to do with Don't map incorrectly for the renderer to have it show up a certain way...

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/9 Martin Siegel martin.sie...@sdas.de: AFAIK this is not correct. First of all the PoV of Mercator projection is not going through the center of the earth. It's a somehow stretched cylindrical projection and

Re: [OSM-talk] New Highways view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Straight lines on the earth are not necessary straight lines in some projections. They should show up as curves. But if you don't have enought supporting nodes, you don't get nice curves. I just drew a great circle route

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-06 Per discussione Anthony
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:40 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: I was claiming it's possible to launch a friverlous lawsuit with no basis and keep it going on for years and effectively bankrupt the competition in the process. OSMF is located in the UK, right? Doesn't the UK have

Re: [OSM-talk] Host free ortophotos to be used on OSM

2010-01-06 Per discussione Anthony
will help spur them into action. Anthony ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-05 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: And I fail to see how carrying out a pilgrimage to the street in question changes anything. It certainly builds confidence that the names you're entering

Re: [OSM-talk] Host free ortophotos to be used on OSM

2010-01-05 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:56 PM, enqd e...@ymail.com wrote: I would like to ask if OSM or anyone can host this images to be used on OSM. The images are here: ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapas/ortofoto/ Hmm, what format do you want it to be hosted in?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What OSMF _may_ get is a database right in all the bits of contribution that they get from contributors. I say _may_ because database right is not a straightforward. Its quite possible they won't have such a right, but

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What would be acceptable? The current situation is acceptable. We all grant

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: What would

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:02 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/5 Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com: 2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Hence not copyright assignment, but basically the same thing. You give up the right to sue, and the OSMF gets the right to sue

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest that if and when there is a more open OCM, then you might argue to replace Andy's one with it. I don't see a point in shooting ourselves in the foot before then. Do you see the point in building OSM in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: The answer is, We don't copy other maps at OpenStreetMap because we respect copyright law and related rights, even if we disagree with some aspects of them. [] There's a difference between doing something which is

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: You have to be able to copy facts from time to time. And that means you have to use your own judgment as to what constitutes a copyright infringement

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I find it incredibly strange that you're more comfortable relying on the consensus than your own judgment, but hey, whatever works for you. To put

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What if my system is, map all the roads in a 200m radius, then look up the names, then repeat? I'd say that certainly qualifies as systematic. As to your other scenarios, I'm not sure you gave enough information. By

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Right, while I've got the soapbox out, (and while I'm not feeling as ill as I was over the last few days), let me do a bit more explaining about OpenCycleMap and its openness. I make the styles for OpenCycleMap. Just me.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Right, while I've got the soapbox out, (and while I'm not feeling as ill as I was over the last few days), let me do a bit more explaining about

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: It is however a very good example of where people have taken the trouble to ACTUALLY map reality and their efforts have been destroyed! I agree with your point, but that's a bit of hyperbole there. The data is still

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: explain what would be the advantages from my side? I think you probably have release more than enough open stuff to know about the motivations of doing so ;-) But I agree that once people start to *demand* you release

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: The Australian outback is vast, but there is hardly anything mappable by survey out there. When it comes to urban and suburban mapping (where most streetnames and cycleways

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Do they have Internet access there? If so, then they can map it themselves. If not, then there's not much point in us mapping it for them anyway. I didn't think we were mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Per discussione Anthony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Does Nearmap own the copyright on the images? Aha, it seems they do. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

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