Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

On 2017-11-25 17:59, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/25/2017 11:12 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just got an email from the mailing list system that my >> account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have >> no idea why, but t

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

On 2017-11-25 17:31, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 25/11/17 15:37, Colin Smale wrote: > > On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" <gill3t.3ric+...@gmail.com> > wrote: Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that > could > happen wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" wrote: > Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that >could >happen with it ? As long as one don't reuse it on other applications >(as >warned during registration), the only action an attacker

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

On 2017-11-25 11:53, Éric Gillet wrote: > This is non-ideal, but you were warned during your account creation that this > password is to be considered non-secure : > >> You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, >> but should prevent others from messing with

[OSM-talk] Mailing list security

I just got an email from the mailing list system that my account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have no idea why, but that is not the point I want to make here. My point is that the email I received contained my password to that account, in plain text! WTF#1: Why is

Re: [Talk-GB] Prow_ref format

On 2017-11-05 00:52, Dave F wrote: > Hi > > Comments inline. > > On 04/11/2017 20:07, Adam Snape wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm of the view that using a standard format would be rather unlikely to >> result in confusion in correspondence with the LA, but am equally happy with >> using the LA's

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

necessary? No, of course not; and I cannot imagine why they added so many layers to these addresses when I would expect they would be trying to keep things simple. On 2017-10-19 16:34, Lester Caine wrote: > On 19/10/17 15:30, Colin Smale wrote: > >> It appears they don't even know/understa

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

Which boundaries are your referring to, which have yet to be mapped? There are big holes in Civil Parish + Community mapping in the north of England/Wales/Scotland, but most of England is OK. AFAIK all other admin boundaries are in there. "Place" boundaries are a whole other can of worms,

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

it could cover one building, a street or a > huge area if rural. > > Ordnance Survey sell CodePoint Polygons which is the polygons each postcode > covers. Obviously we can't use that. > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

In the UK, this algorithm is useless if you expect to get the actual address that you could send a letter to, or that you could ask for directions to. On 2017-10-19 13:23, Marc Gemis wrote: > Maybe it is interesting to repeat how Nominatim resolves addresses, > just in case someone wants to do a

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

We have to remember that in the UK there is only a tenuous link between the postal address and the physical address. A building can have multiple postcodes, and the road/place in the postal address may not be the same as the road/place you might expect from looking at the "nearest road" and admin

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

ren: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310 > > has no tags that I can see. > > I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a "special" > type of traffic calming. > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale <c

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Just like in the UK, the councils here make it up as they go along; a "shared space" has no special legal status, unlike a "woonerf". A general principle which has proved its worth is that to make things safer, you remove the safety features. Like white lines and kerbs. Everyone moans a bit, but

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

It depends if you want to have a uniform basis for "living_street" across the world (well, Europe at least). The concept is well known and understood in continental Europe, and basically implies driving at walking pace, no separate pavements, no parking except in marked spaces, and all road users

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

B multipolygon with those for > the administrative/MPA boundaries has been done for pragmatic reasons. > - > > FROM: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > SENT: 21 August 2017 10:19:45 > TO: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > SUBJECT: Re: [Talk-GB]

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

Estuaries are a bit of a special case for the coastline. It is quite normal for there to be a straight line across the river mouth for some purposes, but this does not imply that waters above that line are not tidal of course. I think what you are querying, is the link/relationship between: a)

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

a defined boundary, it can be captured as polygon. Often it is not that simple. On 2017-08-22 15:21, Dave F wrote: > Accurate *as possible* > > On 22/08/2017 13:59, Colin Smale wrote: > > That depends on your definition of "accurate", doesn't it? > > On 2017-

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

e reason why OSM needs to > exist & be as accurate as possible. > > DaveF > > On 22/08/2017 12:50, Andy Townsend wrote: On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale > wrote: > What would a "local" answer? > > Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) > &

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

On 2017-08-22 13:50, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 22/08/2017 12:23, Colin Smale wrote: > What would a "local" answer? > > Good luck getting a consistent answer to that :) > > http://ma3t.co.uk/euanmills/euanmills/tifd.html Wow, I rest my case... Although he seems t

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

picture. I would like to take a closer look at your example route... Can you give start and end locations? --colin On 2017-08-22 13:13, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/08/17 11:41, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. >> Rou

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

Let's have some use cases out on the table... if my location is {lat,lon}, where am I? What answer am I expecting? Postal address? Town or other settlement? The local council? What would a "local" answer? In the UK, the hierarchy of admin boundaries is incomplete and imperfect - there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. Routing needs timings from node to node, which are best derived from bendiness, number of lanes, junctions etc and then capped to the legal maximum. A four-lane secondary, primary, trunk or motorway will all have the same effective

Re: [Talk-GB] Are Northern Ireland, Wales & England 'states'?

One difference with France is that not everywhere in the UK is in a parished area. In some cases the lowest local government area is a unitary authority which can be huge. A French commune is often just a single hamlet. There are nearly 37k communes in France! Another difference is that the

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

several sources and that any > editing of a way in that relation can easily have that editing source added > to the relevant way without mucking around with other relevant source tags. > > On 12-Aug-17 07:04 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > Mike, > > not sure I would cal

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

as a trunk road , it is not currently the case in France : > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42344655#map=15/46.4275/0.6306 > > djakk > > Le ven. 18 août 2017 à 22:43, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> a écrit : > > In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of signage. So it is easily verifiable whether a road is a Trunk Road or not. Some Trunk Roads are motorway-like, but others are standard two-way roads. So actually it is not so much linked to the construction of the road, but to the fact

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

Mike, not sure I would call it a real data quality issue, but it "could be better". There are two coincident lines, which share some nodes but do not share the majority of nodes, despite the fact they are coincident. One line represents the boundary of Great Britain, and the admin boundary

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

end of a street unless there has been a >complete name change. > > > >Cheers > >Andy > > > >From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] >Sent: 17 July 2017 18:32 >To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

Agreed, however I don't think we should be fussy about minor typographic differences like apostrophes or full stops. There are often variations at this level from sign to sign. If one bit is signed "St." and another bit of the same road is signed "St" I think we should use a single style for

Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

It is pretty obvious in my mind. St is correct, Saint is wrong. Unless there is evidence that Saint is the prevalent spelling on the ground. And I am unanimous in that. A great uncle+aunt of mine used to live in St Nicholas Road, in one of the old Row houses with an outside dunny! Could never

Re: [Talk-GB] New user has cleaned up Mevagissey...

Fire's out, all sorted. On 2017-05-27 15:39, Colin Smale wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick heads-up... A new user, Liz Hurley, has been cleaning up the > shops in Mevagissey. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Liz%20Hurley > > So far she has two changesets which

[Talk-GB] New user has cleaned up Mevagissey...

Hi, Just a quick heads-up... A new user, Liz Hurley, has been cleaning up the shops in Mevagissey. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Liz%20Hurley So far she has two changesets which together delete a whole bunch the shops in Mevagissey. I will try to revert the deletions. For some reason

Re: [Talk-GB] Names of Police Authority areas

Hi Jerry, On 2017-05-17 13:26, SK53 wrote: > When searching for places in Kent this usage produces odd results. Similarly > I would expect something called Thames Valley to be that rather than the > police force. What are the "odd results"? > PS. I would also note that boundary=police is

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Postcode Checking

On 2017-03-05 21:16, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > People making mistakes on their websites with their own postcodes is more > common than you might think. What does OSM's "on the ground" rule make of this? Do we tag the correct postcode according to an authoritative source, or do we

Re: [Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

On 2017-02-10 18:42, Richard Mann wrote: > I'd stick to tags on the relations, and not super relations. Relations are > not categories. Relations are for things that are in spatial *relationship* > to one another, not just a collection. In this case there is a relationship. If I am

Re: [Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

Hi Brian, On 2017-02-10 12:36, Brian Prangle wrote: > H - that's one way I hadn't thought of. I was thinking of just adding a > tag to each boundary relation to indicate membership status along the lines > of west_midlands_combined_authority= constituent_member or >

Re: [Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

authorities for the West Midlands Combined Authority are: > > * Cannock Chase District Council [2] > * Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council [3] > * Redditch Borough Council [4] > * Tamworth Borough Council [5] > * Telford and Wrekin Council [6] > > Regards > > Bri

Re: [Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

Hi Adam, The trouble with the UK is that places don't have clear boundaries... 1) on the administrative side there are Civil Parishes, but large parts of the country are "unparished" and some parishes contain multiple "settlements" 2) Royal Mail have completely different ideas, which are for

Re: [Talk-GB] Traditional/Historic Counties

Hi Adam, OSM does contain "Ceremonial Counties", i.e. Lieutenancy areas (in England). They are mapped as boundary=ceremonial. Basically they represent the counties as they existed just before the 1974 LGA. The boundaries still change occasionally to keep pace with (minor) changes to

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

On 2017-02-07 20:15, Adam Snape wrote: > Colin, the Ramblers' 'Blue Book' is a standard recommended guide to law and > practice. Sadly, I've lent my copy out so can't quote chapter and verse but > it does cover the right to deviate and also the right to abate a public > nuisance. The general

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

On 2017-02-07 15:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > Hi Adam, welcome to the list. > > If the definitive line is obstructed you have an absolute right to go around > it. Are you sure about this? I would expect that you only have a right to report the obstruction to the LA or apply to the courts.

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

On 2017-02-06 09:57, Dave F wrote: > On 05/02/2017 11:33, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Any paths that no longer follow the official route (as per the DM/DS) should >> not be tagged as PROW and probably as access=permissive unless they go >> across otherwise public land. The

Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath Open Data is not always accurate.

My understanding is that the definitive data held by the appropriate local authority is exactly that, definitive. There may be legitimate errors in there of course, but where a path has been willfully and legally rerouted, that is a different type of error - lack of currency, i.e. an order has

Re: [Talk-GB] Named landuse polygons

Can't think of any justification for name on landuse. The boundary of a village may be co-linear with the built-up area, so the "place" boundary may be co-linear with the "landuse=residential", but they are not the same object and should not be conflated into a single OSM object from some

Re: [Talk-GB] tag prow_ref

On 2017-01-10 10:04, Dave F wrote: > FYI The agreed tag for 'C' roads was highway_authority_ref as it was felt > there could be other official or authority tags. It's always good to be > specific. Where was that discussed/agreed? The wiki[1] says to use official_ref or admin_ref. //colin

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

A PROW is "theoretical" in the sense that it may not follow the exact same course on the ground. But the fact that a hedge or whatever is blocking a PROW does not create a legal diversion of the PROW - you are not automatically entitled to leave the PROW in order to continue your walk. So the line

Re: [Talk-GB] Local Authority rights of way information

http://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/EY/ contains the following text: "The council of East Riding of Yorkshire have provided me with an ESRI shape file [1] that contains the details of their public rights of way. The ESRI shape file seems to have been created on 27th February 2014. The Council also

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

I believe the phrase is "tagging wrongly for the renderer" - we constantly consider the users/consumers of the data when tagging, but it is clearly frowned upon to "lie" in the tagging to get something to show up in a particular way or otherwise to achieve a particular effect. Whether tagging is

Re: [Talk-GB] GB Coastline - PGS vs OS

e > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.73237/-1.15736 were built sometime > around 1990, but Boundary line MHW would show these as flooded > > 4) More inaccuracies here > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.76650/-1.30029 > > David > > ---

Re: [Talk-GB] GB Coastline - PGS vs OS

This discusses the accuracy of the MHW/MLW data http://eprints.hrwallingford.co.uk/554/1/HRPP523_Error_analysis_of_Ordnance_Survey_map_tidelines.pdf //colin On 2016-12-11 23:17, Colin Smale wrote: > Hi David, > > Looking at the spot you indicate on Bing imagery does indeed look

Re: [Talk-GB] GB Coastline - PGS vs OS

Southend, unless the Bing imagery is outdated, the Boundary Line data > seems to be an odd representation of the coastline. > > David > On 11/12/2016 10:43, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Most of the coastline is currently tagged as "source=PGS".

[Talk-GB] GB Coastline - PGS vs OS

Hi, Most of the coastline is currently tagged as "source=PGS". As part of the Boundary-Line open data set OS provide MHW lines which look to be significantly better than the PGS data: * Much newer - updated twice a year, although I am not sure how old the actual underlying survey data

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping dangerous - but valid - routes

This reminds me of "unsuitable for HGVs" which IIRC has been the subject of debate in the past. One approach would be "hgv=unsuitable" meaning "legally yes but not advised". That seems to be exactly what we need here. Perhaps we could have "foot=unsuitable" for this path? //colin On 2016-12-05

Re: [Talk-GB] Somerset Levels

In the case of the Somerset Levels, is there actually an authoritative boundary, or is it a fuzzy boundary like a mountain range? Are we looking for something that doesn't exist, or is this a battle between differing opinions? In any case I would suggest using the source and note tags to state

Re: [OSM-talk] Lot's of locality names in an otherwise empty area

Have you tried contacting the mappers who created and last edited these nodes? It looks like they were imported from some official source in 2011 and tidied up in 2014. --colin On 2016-11-20 18:41, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > I'm looking at the following section of OSM: > >

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM Bijna Kopje Onder?

potentiele sponsoren. Colin On 2016-11-14 16:19, Pander OpenTaal wrote: > On 2016-11-14 15:54, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2016-11-14 15:38, Colin Smale > wrote: Op computerwereld.nl - 4 open source projecten die bijna kopje onder > gaan > > Ook in de lijst - OpenStreetMap!!! Bli

Re: [Talk-GB] Sat-nav maps update aims to prevent stuck lorries

On 2016-10-19 15:55, Dave F wrote: > Hi > > I was the thread's originator. > > I haven't rechecked all their changesets, but from memory they didn't add any > restrictions, just split roads, apparently at random points. Thanks for the > reminder that I need to go a reconnect them. > > Did

Re: [Talk-GB] Sat-nav maps update aims to prevent stuck lorries

A year ago there were two users adding lots of these restrictions. One of them was working for piemapping.com who make money out of routing for commercial clients. They ended up getting blocked and promptly stopped their OSM activities. I would hate to think that others might be put off by this...

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM New Logo Proposal

Normal practise is for the "marketing department" to have the logo available in a selection of forms, for different purposes. Think of different formats (square, 16:9, full-width banner etc), different resolutions, different colour depths, perhaps a monochrome version etc. In order to protect the

Re: [Talk-GB] access:psv

Isn't bus just a hyponym of PSV anyway? PSV also includes taxis, just like motor_vehicle includes car. On 2016-10-14 17:33, SK53 wrote: > That's a long time ago. This is not really something I map very much at all, > so I would tend to have to look for a convenient example. I assume that's >

Re: [Talk-GB] Location: High accuracy mode on android

I hope we can have a legal opinion on this... It's a bit ridiculous if the most ubiquitous mobile platform in the world can't be used for location. Surely this will affect every single app that reads its location from Android and passes it on for its own use? What about location data in photos, is

Re: [Talk-GB] UK suburbs

Royal Mail would agree with the residents. The postcode finder returns: Lloyds Pharmacy 2-4 West Street Rottingdean BRIGHTON BN2 7HP What do you mean with "it is technically..."? The current OSM tagging for addresses doesn't cater very well with the UK address model, which can get really

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

How about deriving polygons for the postcode sector level (XX9 9) from the centroid point cloud, and adding the polygons to OSM? I don't know how many that would give, but it would be a whole lot less than 500k and still at a very usable level. //colin On 2016-09-26 10:01, Gervase Markham

Re: [Talk-GB] Future quarterly project idea

Over the last couple of years I have been slowly but surely working my way up the country with the civil parishes. I have South East England, South West England London, and East of England are just about complete. I am now working on East Midlands. North East England, North West England,

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

Maybe these two-part names should be entered into the database using a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011)? //colin On 2016-09-19 09:52, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > On 18/09/16 04:32, Paul Norman wrote: > >> I'm looking for feedback from people who read non-latin languages on a >> proposed

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

On 2016-09-10 18:55, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Latitude and longitude are physical values, they will never change for a > house on Earth, no matter what. They do not depend on politics, economics, > linguistics of the current moment. You sure about that? Plate tectonics means that everything

Re: [Talk-GB] Rare postboxes no longer so rare?

At least one of the 130 is now outside the UK. I was in Gibraltar in the summer and saw this one: http://gibraltarpanorama.gi/mobile/displayarticle.aspx?smid=15209=221079 I have not been able to find where it came from, only that it was "acquired from the UK". To my shame I didn't add it to

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

On 2016-08-30 20:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> We have - that's why I am whispering. But w3w is not intended for the US. >> It's for places which don't have addresses already, which appare

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

On 2016-08-30 20:10, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> w3w solves the problem of you not having a (compact) answer to "what´s your >> address?" if you want to have something delivere

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

hoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 07:24:02PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I am going to say this very quietly what3words > > I dont think what3words solves the issue of structured Addressing. > > Addresses are typically strict hierarchical and offer some

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

I am going to say this very quietly what3words On 2016-08-30 19:12, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Hola, > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Warning: > flame thread about to start. > > El tirsdag 30. august 2016 16.50.14 CEST Oleksiy Muzalyev escribió: It is

[Talk-GB] Governance frustrations (was: Admin boundaries)

On 2016-08-20 21:13, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> If I'm honest I am beginning to doubt whether the existing >> governance is fit for purpose. > > OTOH, elevating a simple difference of opinion about taggig into a grand > debate about "the existing governance" is a really good way to ensure that

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin boundaries for unparished areas - how to handle?

area so > shouldn't have an administrative boundary. > > At best you could perhaps use something like boundary=unparished_area (no > admin level needed, though I suspect people might add 10 so they can extract > the full set by admin_level) to keep it separate from the admin and political

[Talk-GB] Admin boundaries for unparished areas - how to handle?

Hi everyone, There have been some discussions in the past couple of weeks about unparished areas, i.e. areas in England which are not part of any Civil Parish. Civil Parishes are given an administrative boundary relation with admin_level=10 to represent their entity as an administrative area.

Re: [Talk-GB] Does "Great Britain" need a relation with "place=island" on it?

I am not sure the GB main island is actually called Great Britain. GB is a "country," not an island. Is the Isle of Wight not included? As to creating holes for lakes, that is weird. If I am on a boat on Windermere, am I suddenly no longer on the big island and no longer within GB? It is

Re: [Talk-GB] National Park extensions

Hi, In May I worked with Shaun Lewis to update the Brecon Beacons NP boundary. He is the GIS Officer for the Brecon Beacons National Park - I know that's in Wales, and may not be 100% relevant here. He told me the following: "The boundary was digitized on historical OS mapping, aerial

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

I have already brought this to the attention of DWG. SomeoneElse has been attempting to moderate the tone on a couple of the changeset discussions. No idea if it is permanent, but alexkemp has switched his focus to houses/numbers in the last couple of days. //colin On 2016-08-17 13:58, Walter

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

Having just received another "too busy mapping" response to a changeset comment I have requested DWG to give alexkemp a 0-minute block to remind him of his duty to engage with the community in a proper way. Colin On 2016-08-16 14:55, Dave F wrote: > +1 > > Also his use of is_in:* is also

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

mail/talk/2016-August/076592.html > > Dave F. > > On 16/08/2016 16:01, Colin Smale wrote: > > In the specific case of the UK, I am not convinced that is_in has no value at > all. This is because of the huge divergence between people's perceptions and > administrative r

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

In the specific case of the UK, I am not convinced that is_in has no value at all. This is because of the huge divergence between people's perceptions and administrative reality. If you ask someone to give their location/current address, they will most likely refer to the postal addressing system,

Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

leted could have been > worded much more tactfully, but I don't feel in justifies his aggressive > responses since. I was frustrated at finding one of the these non-existent > boundaries covering my local area with an inaccurate name. > > Will > > On 15/08/2016 08:39, Colin S

[Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

Hi, I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with ref:hectares=* with the numeric value giving the area of the entity in hectares. This feels to me like an inappropriate use of "ref" and also redundant as the area can be calculated simply from the geometry anyway. When I

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote: > What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add > data. > If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure > I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members. A > bit

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 14:59, Andy Allan wrote: > On 5 August 2016 at 13:41, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> What I meant was, having established that some (many?) schools will need to >> use the MP model, all consumers (for this data) will need to be ready

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 14:17, Dave F wrote: > On 05/08/2016 12:11, Colin Smale wrote: > >> On the other hand, consumers will have to deal with the MP model anyway, so >> having multiple models for the same thing is actually adding to the >> complexity. > > MP's wer

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

On 2016-08-05 12:54, Dave F wrote: > On 04/08/2016 19:13, Christian Ledermann wrote: > >> If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single >> polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can >> change this > > That would be good. > Multi-polygons of

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2016-07-13 12:24, Dave F wrote: > On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> W3W is a coordinate system... > > I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no > coordination. The address of one block has no relation to adjacent ones. Agreed - it's not a coordinate

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2016-07-13 10:23, Lester Caine wrote: > W3W and OLC both have the same problem. They are trying to fix something > which is not really broken. I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, they are providing a lingua franca for people to use when communicating. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

Is "NASA" really part of the actual name, or are you suggesting "tagging for the renderer" because you expect to see "NASA" on the map? NASA is certainly the operator, and that tag links the site to NASA. //colin On 2016-06-27 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Correct, without NASA in the name

Re: [Talk-GB] UK address tagging

essing is not created by Royal Mail, it is maintained by local >authorities. We should start there. > >Cheers, Chris (chillly) > >On 4 June 2016 16:50:37 BST, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I am wondering if there is any consensus about t

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Failliete winkels

Voorlopig is het m.i. onjuist om ze als winkel aan te wijzen. Het is nog wel het voormalige pand van V, en het pand heeft de vorm van een winkelpand, maar de winkelfunctie is er even niet. Dus building=retail klopt nog wel, maar shop=department_store klopt op dit moment niet en zou verwijderd

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

veel discussie - omdat zo veel verschillende doelgroepen er iets mee doen. //colin On 2016-04-28 12:36, St Niklaas wrote: > VAN: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > VERZONDEN: woensdag 27 april 2016 19:09 > AAN: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org > ONDERWERP: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangev

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

We hebben het wel over de NAAM van de school/vereniging. Bijzonderheden over het soort onderwijs, volledige juridische namen e.d. kunnen ook een plek krijgen in OSM, maar de naam is en blijft de naam, in een gangbare vorm. Wat verwacht je op een kaart te zien? Waarop ga je zoeken om deze POI te

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

erchtem" zie ik. Naamswijziging en rebranding is echt een ander onderwerp... T.a.v. de overweging of "Merchtem" erachter moet of niet - mijn persoonlijke mening is van niet. Ik stem dus voor "AD". //colin On 2016-04-27 11:01, Marc Gemis wrote: > 2016-04-27 10:35 G

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

Jo, als je OBS/CBS/KBS bedoelt: Openbare/Christelijke/Katholieke Basisschool On 2016-04-27 11:01, Jo wrote: > Ik ben Nederlandstalig en ik heb geen idee waar die afkortingen voor staan... > > Jo > > Op 27 april 2016 10:35 schreef Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: &g

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

IMHO de "name" tag moet aan een aantal eisen voldoen. Het moet gangbaar en herkenbaar zijn, niet onhandelbaar lang. Als je de officiele naamgeving van bijvoorbeeld de KvK of wetteksten ergens nog wilt hebben, is er altijd nog "official_name" (en "long_name" en "short_name" en "loc_name" en ga zo

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Old Aerodromes

On 2016-04-12 16:29, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I am not so concerned with rendering - that's not what we map for. I think it would sound better if you said that rendering is one of the many things we map for. OSM is not WOM (write-only memory). //colin

Re: [Talk-GB] Open data

On 2016-03-29 11:46, John Aldridge wrote: > An example is parish boundaries which, I understand, have been imported from > Ordnance Survey data. The problem with these are that they often get > inadvertently corrupted in OSM: they tend to lie along other features, which > means that it's

Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect spelling of "cemetery"

If the sign on the gate says "Cemetary" then it might be correct to follow this (incorrect) spelling for the name=* tag but it is still a cemetery and that is what should go in the amenity tag... //colin On 2016-03-24 13:24, Chris Hill wrote: > I found 54 cemeteries with their names spelt

[OSM-talk] Please check the work of 00crashtest

Hi, I would like to put out a worldwide alert for the work of 00crashtest who has been tweaking things since January - 233 changesets and counting... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/00crashtest/history#map=4/45.53/-38.57 The problems I have seen include arbitrarily modifying admin

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