Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Zdeněk Pražák]

tak nejnovější poznatky, ono zpomalení a následné zastavení nahrávání dat se
mi projevuje pouze když stahuji data z okolí Seče u Chrudimi.

Mohl by někdo zkusit si stáhnout data ohraničená Třemošnicí, Běstvinou,
Sečí, Bojanovem a Hrbokovem, zda se mu to také projeví.

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Re: [talk-cz] vzdálenost u návěsti cyklo tras

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, aktualne ne, ale podivam se, co by znamenalo to rozdelit zvlast pro
silnici a zbytej.

Bye

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 19:47 Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> Na tomhle místě:
> https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.19519/15.39474=wHGB
>
> jsem umístnil do křižovatky rozcestník pro cyklotrasu. V místě je návěst
> (dle terminologie KČT) před křižovatkou.
> Do fody jsem ru návěst dal na místo kde přesně je (před křižovatkou),
> ale v OSM ho máme v křižovatce (protože jsou ze všech stran křižovatky).
>
> No a Fody to nespáruje. Tome - dá se nastavit na cyklorozcestníky delší
> vzdálenost?
>
> Mirek
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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[brad]

A lot of good comments here.    My motivation for bringing this up is 
for clarity and consistency, and to make it easier for new mappers to 
get involved.   As stated in the wiki, a multiuse path could be tagged 
as path, cycleway, footway, or bridleway (and maybe other things too)   
I can see historical and local reasons for various uses.   This is 
redundant and confusing for mappers and renderers, but so be it, I won't 
try to change it.   I certainly won't be changing any tags in other 
countries, or even any regions in the US far from me.


It would be nice to have some consistency withing the US though wouldn't 
it?    It usually is, and the comments reflect that, but I have come 
across 1 trail, and 1 trail network,  both are rugged hiking/mtb/horse 
trails that were tagged as cycleways.   I changed them to path, and it 
would be nice if I could reference a wiki to back up my change.


Without inventing anything country specific (re:Rihards), or conflicting 
with the wiki, I think we could come up with guidelines and translations 
that would help us be consistent.


I could try to put a table in, but not sure how it would come out in 
various email readers, so consider this table with ":" separators


OSM tag ; common US name : definition

path ; single track/trail/path ; multiuse dirt path including motorized, 
further specified with other tags

footway ; sidewalk/hiker only trail ; pedestrian only sidewalk or path
cycleway ; bike path ; paved path, open to bikes, & I've never seen one 
that wasn't open to pedestrian too
bridleway ; horse trail ; path open only to horses (I think these are 
uncommon, hiker/horse trails are common & these would be better tagged 
as path with bicycle:no

[Notice that these all could be handled with the path tag and sub tags]
I haven't included roads because they seem to be tagged pretty 
consistently, and the wiki is better.
I realize it would be nice to use the surface tag & I will use that on 
all trails where it makes sense, but so far I haven't found a 
highway:path that was paved.
I think this is consistent with the way most US mappers are doing it, 
and also consistent with the way the renderers are handling it 
(openfietsmap and openandromap for example).   If others in other 
regions of the US


I was talking to a local friend (who is mostly a dirt biker) who is 
getting started with OSM and he said there isn't anything for a trail,  
I pointed out that there was a path tag, but I understand his 
confusion.  Looking at the wiki, the picture for path looks like a very 
wide trail, but the description seems to encourage footway, cycleway or 
bridleway instead.   It would be nice if new mappers didn't get 
discouraged by the confusion.


On 4/19/19 8:28 AM, brad wrote:
Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 
4 wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track. For the most 
part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the 
wiki says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):


/A non-specific path. //*Use **highway=footway 
**for paths 
mainly for walkers, **highway=cycleway 
**for one 
also usable by cyclists, **highway=bridleway 
**for 
ones available to horse riders as well as walkers *//and 
//highway=track 
//for ones 
which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles./


I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 
user group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of the 
trail tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on 
this?   Perhaps if the international group likes the description as 
is, a clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging

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[Talk-us] Fwd: trail tagging

[Paul Johnson]

Accidentally sent this as a private reply but did so unintentionally.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Paul Johnson 
Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging
To: Tod Fitch 




On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:26 AM Tod Fitch  wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:28 AM, brad  wrote:
>
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most part
> they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately the wiki says
> this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>
> *A non-specific path. **Use highway=footway
>  for paths
> mainly for walkers, highway=cycleway
>  for one also
> usable by cyclists, highway=bridleway
>  for ones
> available to horse riders as well as walkers **and **highway=track
> ** for ones
> which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.*
>
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail tagging
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   Perhaps if the
> international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US
> road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
>
>
> From my experience in the western US, I concur with you.
>
> I personally use footway if it is a hard surfaced way that is restricted
> to foot traffic. One of my mental check points is: can it be used by a
> person in a wheelchair or pushing a stroller? In practice I usually only
> see those in suburban and urban environments though there are a few “nature
> trails” or “discovery trails” specifically designed for handicapped access
> I’ve come across that I’ve tagged as footways.
>

Most sidewalks in America are informal dirt trails next to a paved street.
I wouldn't call those "paths" at all.  They're not suitable (or legal) for
cycles to use, and definitely not suitable for other wheeled travel
(motorized or not).  That would definitely be a footway.  Your average
concrete sidewalk (in the relatively rare places these exist) would also be
footway (but additionally, footway=sidewalk).

Once away from town the ways are almost always too rough or narrow for a
> stroller/wheelchair and they are almost always multiple use with some
> combination of walking, equestrian and/or bicycling use allowed. Those I
> tag as paths.
>

That's (mostly) fair.  Be sure to explicitly tag at least foot and bicycle
values, as path implicitly allows both in most areas (even though this
isn't normally or always the case).  Highway values I definitely support
explicit tagging for foot and bicycle at a minimum are pedestrian, footway,
path, cycleway, trunk and motorway, because at least in North America, all
bets are off on those.
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[OSM-ja] highway=cyclewayのUseful Combination

[石野貴之]

石野です。

2019年4月19日(金) 18:53 yuu hayashi :

> hayashiです
>
> ’highway=cycleway'が'Approved'となったことにより、[[Japan_tagging#Road_types]]
> に「Useful combination」項目が追加されました。
>
> 他の 'Road types' についても「Useful combination」項目の記載と「Implies」項目の見直しを行いたいと思います。
>

ありがとうございます。
改定提案を見てきて思ったのが「highway=cyclewayのUseful Combinationが他と比べて浮いている」ということです。

私がhighway=cyclewayを提案したときのUseful Combinationは、wikiページの
Tag:highway=cyclewayのUseful Combinationを引用して持ってきたものでした。

しかし、今回のhayashiさんの提案にある他の道路種別のUseful Combinationを拝見すると、
「よく併用されるタグ」というよりも「併用を推奨するタグ」に近いように思われました。

highway=cyclewayのUseful Combinationからname=*, ref=*,
lit=*を削除すればこの「浮いている」感じを解消できそうですが、いかがでしょうか。


> [改定提案 Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types
>
> [現行のJapan_tagging#Road_types]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging#Road_types
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 6:39 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Paul,
> You can upload any image you want to OpenStreetCam if you think it’s
> useful for mappers. What kind of ’support’ are you looking for?
> Martijn
>
>
I did notice that it tends to lock to roads.  I was wondering if it would
deliver a similar affinity for other road-like things, like trails,
cycleways, pedestrianized streets, etc.  This largely came out of a
Telegram conversation that brought up that Mapillary would follow
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

As far as i see the web site is broken, at my end, it is showing tracks in 
processing since the 17,
 
but says  
 
0 TRACKS PROCESSINg
 
0 TRACKS UPLOADING
 
there is no support e-mail, office or phone no and no wiki.
 
and i can not tell who is running this,
 
i did read it does do walking trails and bike paths.
 
but all the single photo's i have seen are at the bottom of the leaderboard, 
 
that are users listed as 0 km, 0 points.
 
From: Martijn van 
Exel
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:39 PM
To: Paul Johnson
Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility
 
Paul,
You 
can upload any image you want to OpenStreetCam if you think it’s useful for 
mappers. What kind of ’support’ are you looking for?
Martijn

> On 
Apr 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Paul Johnson < ba...@ursamundi.org > 
wrote:
> 
> Is OSC only concerned with street level imagery, or does 
it also support cycleways, paths, pedestrian features, etc?
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

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Paul,
You can upload any image you want to OpenStreetCam if you think it’s useful for 
mappers. What kind of ’support’ are you looking for?
Martijn

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Is OSC only concerned with street level imagery, or does it also support 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

[James]

it "supports" it, but not on the main website for tagging what ways are
already visited, but you are able to see them in JOSM  as where the
original tracks are. There's a bug open for them to fix the "autobinding"
on main website to "support" walkways and trails

On Fri., Apr. 19, 2019, 6:46 p.m. Paul Johnson,  wrote:

> Is OSC only concerned with street level imagery, or does it also support
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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetCam versatility

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Is OSC only concerned with street level imagery, or does it also support
cycleways, paths, pedestrian features, etc?
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Re: [OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Apr 19, 2019, 11:01 PM by joc...@remote.org:

> One problem with the wiki is that you can't find current stuff because
> of all the old stuff in there. Deleting helps. Marking them as obsolete
> doesn't. 
>
Can you give example of situation where this is a problem?
With pages properly marked as obsolete it should add single click.
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Re: [OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?

[Jochen Topf]

One problem with the wiki is that you can't find current stuff because
of all the old stuff in there. Deleting helps. Marking them as obsolete
doesn't. And moving them to a different namespace is even worse, because
it breaks links but doesn't make the page invisible.

Anything that makes pages invisible (to users and search engines
indexing the wiki) but allows switching on a special "archive mode"
where you still see those things would be fine. But as long as a search
on the wiki or on the search engine of your choice finds all that old
crap, the problem is still there. You still have to click through all
the pages you found to see that they are marked as outdated.

Preserving history is a worthy goal, but not at the expense of making
the current information much harder to find and use. Let archive.org
do the history keeping. And if all else fails, it should be possible to
revive deleted pages from the mediawiki software.

Jochen

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:02:48PM +0200, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:02:48 +0200
> From: Michael Reichert 
> To: OSM talk mailing list 
> Subject: [OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> there is currently a voting on a Deletion Policy [1] for the OSM wiki.
> The policy was drafted because we had two incidents last year when
> someone tried to delete a large number of old and orphaned tagging
> proposals in draft state. He claimed that these pages might confuse
> users looking for a tag.
> 
> He is not totally wrong with that. These pages can be confusing but
> there are reasons why other users (including me) claim that most
> proposals should be kept.
> 
> In addition to these proposals, there is a much larger number of
> outdated wiki pages about mapping techniques and OSM-related software.
> Some can be updated but some can't: Pages about Kosmos document a map
> renderer whose binary cannot be downloaded any more. Pages about
> unmaintained/historic software like Traveling Salesman [2] or Namefinder
> [3] are another example.
> 
> Deleting these pages is deleting memory and history. Rewriting them in
> past tense and deleting unimportant content is a lot of work and is on
> the borderline to vandalism if the page could be updated. However, such
> pages should be treated different to make readers aware that they hit
> something old and outdate. That's why I think that there should be a
> "Archive" namespace on the wiki where such pages can be moved.
> 
> An alternative to a namespace is a template being added to these pages
> informing readers that the page exist for archival purposes only. That
> was done with the wiki page about Namefinder. It has already been marked
> as "This page describes a historic artifact in the history of
> OpenStreetMap. It does not reflect the current situation, but instead
> documents the historical concepts, issues, or ideas."
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap:Deletion_policy
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Relais poste chez commerçant disparus

[osm . sanspourriel]

J'avais oublié d'expédier ce message, il comporte une réponse à la
question de Marc.

Tu regardes un à un si le commerce existe sur les pages jaunes ?

Si c'est juste un truc indiqué comme bureau de poste, tu supprimes ?

Raté, je vois que des agences communales postales sont toujours
indiquées sur les pages de la commune.

http://mellac.bzh/la-mairie-a-votre-service/lagence-postale-communale/

Je vois de plus qu'*elle est connue de... La Poste* !

https://www.laposte.fr/particulier/outils/trouver-un-bureau-de-poste

chercher Mellac.

Donc l'analyse de Fred semble basée sur un fichier erroné : *La Poste ne
publierait pas la bonne liste ?* C'est gênant.

Par contre on peut déjà chercher si le bureau existe selon La Poste !

Marc l'agence a sa référence dans OSM
 : 05032A.

Et un centre de tri ne semble plus faire agence postale (je suppose que
La Poste sait ça) pourtant https://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pros/12373833

1 000 agences disparues en 9 ans ?

Jean-Yvon

Le 19/04/2019 à 10:11, deuzeffe - opensm@deuzeffe.org a écrit :

Bonjour,

Un petit millier de Relais poste chez commerçants ne sont plus dans la
base Datanova (base OD de la poste) en cours :
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=7050 comme m'a indiqué
Freed.

Osmose les signale donc par : "Bureau de Poste sans attribut
“ref:FR:LaPoste” ou non valide"

Dans ce petit millier, il y a probablement de faux positifs.

Quelle est la meilleure méthode pour que la communauté nettoie osm de
ces fantômes (sans supprimer ceux qui ont juste des tags incomplets,
s'il en existe) ?

Merci pour la réponse, quelle qu'elle soit.
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[OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

there is currently a voting on a Deletion Policy [1] for the OSM wiki.
The policy was drafted because we had two incidents last year when
someone tried to delete a large number of old and orphaned tagging
proposals in draft state. He claimed that these pages might confuse
users looking for a tag.

He is not totally wrong with that. These pages can be confusing but
there are reasons why other users (including me) claim that most
proposals should be kept.

In addition to these proposals, there is a much larger number of
outdated wiki pages about mapping techniques and OSM-related software.
Some can be updated but some can't: Pages about Kosmos document a map
renderer whose binary cannot be downloaded any more. Pages about
unmaintained/historic software like Traveling Salesman [2] or Namefinder
[3] are another example.

Deleting these pages is deleting memory and history. Rewriting them in
past tense and deleting unimportant content is a lot of work and is on
the borderline to vandalism if the page could be updated. However, such
pages should be treated different to make readers aware that they hit
something old and outdate. That's why I think that there should be a
"Archive" namespace on the wiki where such pages can be moved.

An alternative to a namespace is a template being added to these pages
informing readers that the page exist for archival purposes only. That
was done with the wiki page about Namefinder. It has already been marked
as "This page describes a historic artifact in the history of
OpenStreetMap. It does not reflect the current situation, but instead
documents the historical concepts, issues, or ideas."

What do you think?

Best regards

Michael


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap:Deletion_policy
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Traveling_salesman
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_finder

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Re: [Talk-pt] Um novo hospital - o que fazer?

[Filohipo]

Discutamos um caso concreto, para que dele se possam esclarecer as diversas
linhas de pensamento.
Em relação ao HPA do Funchal, fiz quatro perguntas que gostaria de ver
respondidas. Volto a repeti-las:

Se este hospital está em construção, como deve ser mapeado ? Se está pronto
e fechado como deve ser mapeado ? Se está pronto, a funcionar sem licença
(e portanto ilegal) como deve ser mapeado ? Quem deve verificar a possivel
(i)legalidade do funcionamento ?  O que deve fazer o mapeador ? Mapear
quando abrir sem licença ? Ignorar até que esteja tudo licenciado ?

Para além das colocadas, qual deve ser a posição se o hospital não for
validado?

Cumprimentos
Filohipo


A sexta, 19/04/2019, 20:31, Filohipo  escreveu:

> Nuno Caldeira publicou uma resposta para o digest, que por se poder
> perder, aqui se transcreve
>
> Acho que se anda a confundir adicionar com validar. O fato de eu ter uma
> tasca e lhe chamar farmácia,não faz dela uma farmácia.para existir ela terá
> que ter uma licença.o mesmo com a designação de hotel. Contamos em breve
> validar os hotéis que o são de facto e não alojamentos locais que se
> designam como tal.
> Quanto ao hospital, o mesmo está concluído mas ainda não está a funcionar
> estando pendente as licenças para tal. Há algum mal em lá estarm no OSM?não
> me parece,até porque,aparentemente não terá serviço de urgência.
>
>
> A quinta, 18/04/2019, 19:16, Rui Reino Baptista 
> escreveu:
>
>> Na minha opinião o hospital não tem como não ser mapeado. Já existe no
>> território apenas falta terminar a fase de construção e passar à fase
>> funcional.
>> Esta situação  de "ainda não funcionamento"/construção é abordada na wiki
>> em Lifecycle prefix @
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix e a forma correta
>> para um hospital em construção é utilizar a tag
>> "amenity=construction:hospital" nesta fase. Posteriormente, após o hospital
>> estar em funcionamento, deverá ser alterada para "amenity=hospital".
>>
>> O Alexandre Moleiro deu muito bons exemplos sobre a problemática da
>> oportunidade e do benefício de mapear algo. Penso que cabe sempre ao
>> mapeador decidir o que fazer e, caso opte por mapear algo "inoportuno"
>> estar pronto para o escrutínio da comunidade.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Rihards]

On 19.04.19 17:59, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> I hadn’t looked at that page in a while, but I’ve been using
> highway=path in the same way as you describe. Hiking trails, singletrack
> MTB. Footway I only tag in built up areas. 
> What do other places in the world do?

UK terminology has a well-established "footway" definition, which also
includes minor, barely visible trails across fields and so on.
With OSM originating in the UK and using (mostly) British English for
tagging and related things, the highway=footway was initially used for
all kinds of pedestrian trails - across fields, very well paved trails etc.
The the rest of the Europe (generalising) jumped in, and split this into
highway=footway for designed, well visible and mostly paved ways - and
highway=path, which got used more for paths in forests, across grassy
areas in cities etc.

Very roughly how I tag these things, having surveyed and mapped in quite
a few countries:

* unpaved pedestrian trails - highway=path (but I wouldn't change such a
trail from footway in the UK)
* paved (or at least obviously designated and well maintained)
pedestrian ways - highway=footway
* unpaved track, suitable for a 4-wheeled vehicles - highway=track (with
tracktype, when possible)
* paved, small road - highway=service (but an unpaved driveway would
still get highway=service + service=driveway)

I try to add surface tags, but there are cases when I'm afraid to do so
- for example, if there's a long way and I know its surface for some
segment, I don't want to guess on the remainder, or split it.

And a very, very big request to everybody who got this far... Please do
not invent anything country-specific for these (we already have footways
in the UK, and mostly Germans would use highway=track for paved ways I'd
still consider highway=service).
Not only it makes things hard for mapping abroad, it also makes map data
hard to consume. I take it for granted that highway=service will be
always passable in a low city car, but a track could get me stuck.

> Martijn
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2019, at 8:28 AM, brad > > wrote:
>>
>> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a
>> 4 wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the
>> most part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately
>> the wiki says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>>
>> /A non-specific path. //*Use **highway=footway
>> **for paths
>> mainly for walkers, **highway=cycleway
>> **for one
>> also usable by cyclists, **highway=bridleway
>> **for
>> ones available to horse riders as well as walkers *//and
>> //highway=track
>> //for ones
>> which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles./
>>
>> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1
>> user group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of the
>> trail tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on
>> this?   Perhaps if the international group likes the description as
>> is, a clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 - programme outline

[John Bryant]

Thanks Adam & program committee, looking great!

The adjustment to having more talks is interesting, I suppose there may be
a bit of a challenge to fill 60 speaking slots out of an audience of 170,
but hey, challenges are good! And personally, I'm hopeful we exceed the 170
target, though it will raise some logistical challenges re: venue.

One of the key messages we got in attendee feedback last year was that
timing was important, we could have done a bit better, and people found
movement between sessions frustrating. There were also quite a few requests
for longer talks, and more time between sessions. The venue layout this
year might help improve the movement between sessions. But sticking with
the 15+5 format, we'll need to be really strict on timing to improve on one
of the key frustrations from last year's event.

On timing:
- Is a 930am start intentional? Feels a bit late to me, but I acknowledge
that some people prefer a late start. But will people's attention start
lagging for the talks late in the day, ie. finishing at 5:40 pm?
- Are 20 minute breaks between sessions long enough? For some people, these
are important slots for networking. This is shorter than last year's 30
minute breaks.

Cheers
John



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> Hi all
>
> We’d like to share with you our current thinking about the 2019 programme,
> and call for comments.
>
> We need to put it all together and run calls for papers and workshops by
> the end of May - so please spark any debates early! We will close
>  discussion and move toward a fixed plan at the end of April. Let's say 1
> May is ‘close the discussion’ date.
>
> As a rundown we have:
>
> - 2 x 3.5 hour workshop sessions (8 rooms, 16 workshops possible in total)
> - 60 15-20 minute stream talks (4 sessions, 3 streams, 5 talks each
> session)
> - 4 keynotes
> - a mystery hour on day 2, after the initial keynote. this might be a
> panel, a very short unconference, a ’state of [QGIS/OSM/… ]’ plenary talk
> session, or a facilitated community discussion on what we see as prevalent
> issues in the community. We’d like to know what you think, but also reserve
> the right to surprise (and we hope, delight) you
> - a community day, which will be a mix of OSGeo code sprint, mapathons,
> and other OSGeo / OSM related activities.
> - various opportunities for breakfasts and informal socialising, as well
> as an organised conference icebreaker and dinner.
>
> These are laid out here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17KvFcVn226ay0clCZsBTL0jpbX-4ZMt6nyBfLcF94mE/edit?usp=sharing
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> keynotes)
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>
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[talk-cz] vzdálenost u návěsti cyklo tras

[Miroslav Suchý]

Na tomhle místě:
https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.19519/15.39474=wHGB

jsem umístnil do křižovatky rozcestník pro cyklotrasu. V místě je návěst
(dle terminologie KČT) před křižovatkou.
Do fody jsem ru návěst dal na místo kde přesně je (před křižovatkou),
ale v OSM ho máme v křižovatce (protože jsou ze všech stran křižovatky).

No a Fody to nespáruje. Tome - dá se nastavit na cyklorozcestníky delší
vzdálenost?

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Re: [Talk-at] Fußwege in Mürzzuschlag

[Horst Willingshofer]

Hallo Gppes,

es hat sich nicht Neues ergeben.
Ja ich bin lokal in der Mürzer Gegend. Allerdings mappe ich nur sehr
sporadisch, jedoch schon seit vielen Jahren. Hauptsächlich Wege nach
Wanderungen.
Mit dem Gedanken einmal beim Stammtisch in Leoben aufzuschlagen habe ich
mich schon getragen, irgendwie ging es sich aber noch nie aus.
Vielleicht passt es mal.

Die Sache mit den Fußwegen in Mürzzuschlag möchte ich gerne richtig
stellen, wenn mir nicht jemand zuvorkommt (muss jetzt nachsehen ob es
nicht eh schon geschehen ist). Ich will mir das aber erst einmal vor Ort
genauer ansehen.

LG
Horst

Am 14.04.2019 um 11:15 schrieb gppes_...@web.de:

Hallo Horst,

hat sich da zu Deinem Thema was Interessantes ergeben? Falls Du ein lokale 
Mapper in der Gegend dort bist, regelmaessig dort beitragen moechtest, die 
Loesung suboptimal findest und es sich bei den Edits nur um einen einmaligen 
Versuch eines externen Mappers gehandelt hat, dann kannst Du aus meiner Sicht 
Deinen Vorstellungen entsprechend Abaenderungen vornehmen.

Vielleicht gibt es in Muerzzuschlag ja noch den einen oder anderen Kollegen, 
mit dem Du Dich zu dem Thema austauschen kannst? Schau mal in die History wer 
dort so aktiv ist und versuche mit denen in Kontakt zu treten!

Wenn Du den Weg nicht scheust, koenntest Du ja auch mal bei unserem 
OSM-Stammtisch in Leoben vorbei schauen, ein Kollege aus dem Muerztaler Raum 
kommt da des oefteren mal vorbei.

Das Extra-Way & Gehsteig Thema ist oft und gerne kontrovers diskutiert und da 
ist ganz sicher nichts in Stein gemeiselt.

Lg, Gppes


Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Februar 2019 um 00:11 Uhr
Von: "grubernd" 
An: "OpenStreetMap AT" 
Betreff: Re: [Talk-at] Fußwege in Mürzzuschlag

On 04.02.19 19:46, Horst Willingshofer wrote:

In Mürzzuschlag gibt es im Zentrum viele Fußwege (highway:footway) auf OSM

Z.B.: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/543134742#map=18/

Das sind fast alles ganz normale Gehsteige wie es sie in jedem Ort gibt.
Kann mir jemand sagen was es damit auf sich hat?



Ich denke die Frage solltest du am besten direkt an user:geri1213
stellen. Der hat nach einem kurzen Blick in die Changesets die meisten
dieser Wege vor einem Jahr eingetragen und sich seitdem in den Ruhestand
begeben.


grüsse,
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Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 137, Issue 5

[Volker Schmidt]

Confusing it is, but if we can agree that the categories are about legal
access and not suitability then we have made a big step towards
clarification.
Have a look at the wiki page OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions.
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions>
Please note that this is not an approved page, but a proposal that started
in 2008.
The physical properties can be tagged with surface, tracktype, and
smoothness tags.
The access default values may change from country to country.
Also there maybe grey areas for access (which often is catered for by using
"permissive" as access value).

Another note: I personally feel that redundant tagging is not helpful. The
example of the redundant combination of "highway=path" (which impleies
foot, bicyclke, and horse-riding access in OSM, unless the country table
says something different) plus "bicycle=yes" is used by mappers with
different meanings:

   - a generic path that has been inserted from areal photographs by an
   armchair mapper who ticked all the default boxes in  the iD editor.
   - a path that has been checked on the ground for the aspect of bicycle
   access
   - a path that is suitable for cycling (unfortunately, OpenCycleMap
   renders this situation exaclty like e dedicated cycle path, hence in some
   areas MTB fns have started doing this to see their preferred MTB tracks on
   the OCM map)

Volker
(Italy)




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> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most
> part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the wiki
> says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>
> /A non-specific path. //*Use **highway=footway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway>**for paths
> mainly for walkers, **highway=cycleway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway>**for one
> also usable by cyclists, **highway=bridleway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway>**for ones
> available to horse riders as well as walkers *//and //highway=track
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack>//for ones
> which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles./
>
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail
> tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?
> Perhaps if the international group likes the description as is, a
> clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
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> tl;dr: Please, add always surface tag and other similar tags as needed.
>
> I see that I answered at
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> <
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> >
>
> It is a tricky topic. Lets start from disclaimers:
>
> (1) I am from Poland and unfamiliar with US local situation (though I am
> familiar with hi

Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Kevin Kenny]

> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most part 
> they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately the wiki says 
> this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>
> A non-specific path. Use highway=footway for paths mainly for walkers, 
> highway=cycleway for one also usable by cyclists, highway=bridleway for ones 
> available to horse riders as well as walkers and highway=track for ones which 
> is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
>
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail tagging 
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   Perhaps if the 
> international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US 
> road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging

TL;DR: As a mapper, I'm willing to map it according to others'
preferences. As a data consumer, I need to be prepared to accept
either scheme.

Here in Upstate New York, when I got started tagging trails not
knowing any better, I used highway=path, througout, with access tags
as appropriate for foot, bicycle, ski, horse, ATV, and snowmobile, and
surface=ground for the trails that are on variable natural surfaces.

I found that the early ones I mapped were being routinely edited to
'footway.' When I consulted the Wiki, like the others here, I found
enough conflicting information that I simply decided to adopt
'footway' for those that are single-use hiking trails (plus adding
ski=* when appropriate), since obviously some local mapper felt
strongly about the issue, and I didn't.

I still use 'path' for the not-too-rare situation around me where the
way is intended as a hiking trail, but MTB use is permitted or at
least tolerated, and relatively skilled MTB riders are seen fairly
frequently. (The ones I have in mind are obviously not for beginners!)
It seems very odd to call such a thing a cycleway, and highway=footway
bicycle=yes is kind of a strange combination.

The winter situation is complicated; I use foot=conditional:no @ snow
(I may have misspelt) for the trails that exclude snowshoers in the
winter. Otherwise ski=* and snowmobile=* cover most of the issues.
Many of the trails are open to skiers and snowmobilists in the winter.
Some, but not all, snowmobile trails exclude snowshoers for safety,
and some, but not all, ski trails exclude walkers so as not to mess up
the surface. (There's also a law that snowshoes or skis are required
once the snow is 20 cm deep, but I follow "don't tag the local
legislation". There's nothing in that law regarding crampons, but any
time I've been using crampons and met a ranger, the ranger was also
using them and said nothing about it.)

As a data consumer, I treat 'highway=path foot=yes motor_vehicle=no'
and 'highway=footway' as synonyms.Since both are in common use, I have
to be prepared to accept both. Not a huge worry for me, since I know
about it.

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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Apr 19, 2019, 5:25 PM by t...@fitchdesign.com:

>  the best you could tag surface would be as “unpaved” as the natural material 
> and can vary over very short distances).
>

surface=unpaved is already helpful and useful
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Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Zdeněk Pražák]

stažení poslední testované verze 14945 nepomohlo, ono zpomalení načítání a
až posléze zastavení josm se projevuje i zde
Pražák
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Datum: 19. 4. 2019 17:52:53
Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti
"A nebude lepší použít starší verzi JOSM? Já vždy, když nefunguje latest,
přepnu dočasně na testing.

Marián



19. dubna 2019 17:18:49 SELČ, "Zdeněk Pražák"  napsal:"
(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
zastupce)
to je na mne moc složité - jak se udělá bat soubor nebo zástupce
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"Ahoj,

> Jak mám spustit JOSM s uvedeným parametrem tak aby pamět byla dostatečná
Muzes zkusit treba:
java -jar -Xmx1400m josm-tested.jar
(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
zastupce)

Kde 1400m znamena 1400MB max. Je mozne pridat nebo ubrat, pokud je hodnota
moc
velka, java vyhodi chybu.

Taky je mozne pouzit "javaw" misto "java", potom JOSM bezi bez konzoloveho
okna.

Ale asi opravdu jde o nejakou chybu (memoryleak) protoze neni duvod aby 
najednou
JOSM potreboval o tolik pameti vice...


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Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Marián Kyral]

A nebude lepší použít starší verzi JOSM? Já vždy, když nefunguje latest, přepnu 
dočasně na testing.

Marián


19. dubna 2019 17:18:49 SELČ, "Zdeněk Pražák"  napsal:
>(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
>zastupce)
>to je na mne moc složité - jak se udělá bat soubor nebo zástupce
>Pražák
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>Od: r00t 
>Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>Datum: 19. 4. 2019 17:05:18
>Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti
>"Ahoj,
>
>> Jak mám spustit JOSM s uvedeným parametrem tak aby pamět byla
>dostatečná
>Muzes zkusit treba:
>java -jar -Xmx1400m josm-tested.jar
>(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
>zastupce)
>
>Kde 1400m znamena 1400MB max. Je mozne pridat nebo ubrat, pokud je
>hodnota
>moc
>velka, java vyhodi chybu.
>
>Taky je mozne pouzit "javaw" misto "java", potom JOSM bezi bez
>konzoloveho
>okna.
>
>Ale asi opravdu jde o nejakou chybu (memoryleak) protoze neni duvod aby
>
>najednou
>JOSM potreboval o tolik pameti vice...
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Straatnamen op kaart

[joost schouppe]

Dag Philippe,

Zou dit geen oplossing zijn?

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/streets-with-names_317158#18/50.87290/4.18484

Werkt redelijk op mobile, je kan het toegang tot je locatie geven, en als
je niet direct een label ziet, kan je nog klikken om het te krijgen.

Als een weg in blauw verschijnt heeft het een naam. Als er helemaal geen
lijn extra verschijnt, is er gewoon geen naam.

Natuurlijk niét geschikt als je gewoon een generieke app wilt.

Op do 7 mrt. 2019 om 13:16 schreef Philippe Casteleyn <
philippecastel...@hotmail.com>:

> Ik heb het een paar jaar geleden al ergens gevraagd, misschien is er
> intussen vooruitgang.
>
> Bestaat er een (Android) kaartweergave die altijd de straatnaam toont ?
>
> Nu is het soms een gesweep van jewelste om die te weten en terug te keren
> naar uw interessepunt.
>
>
>
> En hoe zit het met de straatnamen met pointers ?
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Tod Fitch]

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:28 AM, brad  wrote:
> 
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most part 
> they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately the wiki says 
> this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
> 
> A non-specific path. Use highway <>=footway 
>  for paths mainly 
> for walkers, highway <>=cycleway 
>  for one also 
> usable by cyclists, highway <>=bridleway 
> for ones 
> available to horse riders as well as walkers and highway <>=track 
>  for ones which is 
> passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
> 
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail tagging 
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   Perhaps if the 
> international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US 
> road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging 
> 
> 

From my experience in the western US, I concur with you.

I personally use footway if it is a hard surfaced way that is restricted to 
foot traffic. One of my mental check points is: can it be used by a person in a 
wheelchair or pushing a stroller? In practice I usually only see those in 
suburban and urban environments though there are a few “nature trails” or 
“discovery trails” specifically designed for handicapped access I’ve come 
across that I’ve tagged as footways.

Once away from town the ways are almost always too rough or narrow for a 
stroller/wheelchair and they are almost always multiple use with some 
combination of walking, equestrian and/or bicycling use allowed. Those I tag as 
paths. The suggestion that they be tagged with width and surface is often 
unreasonable in my area (source: I help with trail maintenance and there are 
trails in the coastal hills and mountains where the width will vary greatly 
during a single year due to the rate of growth of brush. We do our best to keep 
the tread area at least 0.5 meters wide and the width at chest height at about 
2 meters but it is a continual project with limited numbers of volunteers and 
many miles of trails. In addition the best you could tag surface would be as 
“unpaved” as the natural material and can vary over very short distances).





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Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Zdeněk Pražák]

(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
zastupce)
to je na mne moc složité - jak se udělá bat soubor nebo zástupce
Pražák
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Od: r00t 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 19. 4. 2019 17:05:18
Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti
"Ahoj,

> Jak mám spustit JOSM s uvedeným parametrem tak aby pamět byla dostatečná
Muzes zkusit treba:
java -jar -Xmx1400m josm-tested.jar
(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo
zastupce)

Kde 1400m znamena 1400MB max. Je mozne pridat nebo ubrat, pokud je hodnota
moc
velka, java vyhodi chybu.

Taky je mozne pouzit "javaw" misto "java", potom JOSM bezi bez konzoloveho
okna.

Ale asi opravdu jde o nejakou chybu (memoryleak) protoze neni duvod aby 
najednou
JOSM potreboval o tolik pameti vice...


r00tcz


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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Joseph Eisenberg]

> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
> group, anything other than a path

It is very common to tag dirt footpaths as highway=footway in most
parts of the world, if the path is designed for and used by people on
foot.

For example, here in Indonesia there are never signs that say you
can't ride a bicycle on the highway=footway that connect mountain
villages, but they are certainly not designed for bicycles and would
be extremely technically challenging on a MTB. Horses are not
prohibited either, but there are no horses in the area. So I map these
paths as highway=footway

In the USA I would think it reasonable to use highway=footway for dirt
single-track trails designed for travel on foot, even if bicycles or
horses are not specifically prohibited.

I would use highway=path for MUPs (multi-use paths) that are
specifically designed for use by both people on bikes and people
walking or riding horses, along with the appropriate access tags.

Also, I don't think this page is authoritative:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
Note at the top is says "There is conflicting information on this
topic at several places. Please see Talk:Highway tag usage and the
Talk-US Mailing List for discussion."

On 4/19/19, brad  wrote:
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most
> part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the wiki
> says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>
> /A non-specific path. //*Use **highway=footway
> **for paths
> mainly for walkers, **highway=cycleway
> **for one
> also usable by cyclists, **highway=bridleway
> **for ones
> available to horse riders as well as walkers *//and //highway=track
> //for ones
> which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles./
>
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user
> group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of the trail
> tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?
> Perhaps if the international group likes the description as is, a
> clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
>

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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Martijn van Exel]

I hadn’t looked at that page in a while, but I’ve been using highway=path in 
the same way as you describe. Hiking trails, singletrack MTB. Footway I only 
tag in built up areas. 
What do other places in the world do?
Martijn

> On Apr 19, 2019, at 8:28 AM, brad  wrote:
> 
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most part 
> they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.   Unfortunately the wiki says 
> this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
> 
> A non-specific path. Use highway <>=footway 
>  for paths mainly 
> for walkers, highway <>=cycleway 
>  for one also 
> usable by cyclists,highway <>=bridleway 
>  for ones 
> available to horse riders as well as walkers and highway <>=track 
>  for ones which is 
> passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
> 
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
> group, anything other than a path.Since about 98% of the trail tagging 
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   Perhaps if the 
> international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US 
> road tagging wiki page?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging 
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Re: [talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[r00t]

Ahoj,

> Jak mám spustit JOSM s uvedeným parametrem tak aby pamět byla dostatečná
Muzes zkusit treba:
 java -jar -Xmx1400m josm-tested.jar
(spustit z cmd v adresari JOSMu, pripadne si udelej BAT soubor nebo zastupce)

Kde 1400m znamena 1400MB max. Je mozne pridat nebo ubrat, pokud je hodnota moc
velka, java vyhodi chybu.

Taky je mozne pouzit "javaw" misto "java", potom JOSM bezi bez konzoloveho okna.

Ale asi opravdu jde o nejakou chybu (memoryleak) protoze neni duvod aby najednou
JOSM potreboval o tolik pameti vice...


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Re: [Talk-us] trail tagging

[Mateusz Konieczny]

tl;dr: Please, add always surface tag and other similar tags as needed.

I see that I answered at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:highway=1844151=1843977
 


It is a tricky topic. Lets start from disclaimers:

(1) I am from Poland and unfamiliar with US local situation (though I am 
familiar with hiking)
(2) I was involved in one of highway=path controversies - see 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389 
 
https://gist.github.com/gravitystorm/ff5a6fdc695f08de1751 
 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1713 


Note that highway=footway is used in multiple ways. it may be used to indicate 
(1) a paved footway
(2) way primarily for walking.

In both cases I would encourage tagging also physical characteristics - at 
least surface=*
(StreetComplete is useful here).

"Path and track indicate the physical characteristics of the way." - I would 
dispute this.
There are highway=track that are high-quality asphalt, there are ones that are 
overgrown/muddy/with deep sand. Note that tracktype=* exists. I would argue the 
same for
highway=path, though many argue that surface=unpaved may be safely assumed 
there.

"cycleway/footway/bridleway should be discouraged, and should be only used if 
that is 
the only permitted usage" - also for cases like highway=footway + bicycle=yes?

Apr 19, 2019, 4:28 PM by bradha...@fastmail.com:

> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow fora 4 
> wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   Forthe most 
> part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.  Unfortunately the wiki 
> says this for highway:path (the highlightingis mine):
>  
>  > A non-specific path. 
> Use > highway <>> => footway 
> >  for paths 
> mainly for walkers, > highway <>> => cycleway 
> >  for one also 
> usable by cyclists, > highway <>> => bridleway 
> >  for ones 
> available to horse riders as well as walkers
> and > highway <>> => track 
> >  for  ones 
> which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
>  
>  I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1user 
> group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of thetrail tagging 
> that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus onthis?   Perhaps if 
> the international group likes the description asis, a clarification on 
> the US road tagging wiki page?
>  > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging 
> 
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[Talk-us] trail tagging

[brad]

Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 
wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For the most 
part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the wiki 
says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):


/A non-specific path. //*Use **highway=footway 
**for paths 
mainly for walkers, **highway=cycleway 
**for one 
also usable by cyclists, **highway=bridleway 
**for ones 
available to horse riders as well as walkers *//and //highway=track 
//for ones 
which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles./


I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user 
group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of the trail 
tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this?   
Perhaps if the international group likes the description as is, a 
clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?

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[talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Zdeněk Pražák]

nyní mi nejdou ani stáhnout osm data - josm začne stahovat data a stahuje
čím dál pomaleji až se zastaví a přestane reagovat

V hlášce o chybě bylo uvedeno, že mám josm spustit s nějakým parametrem
a dále: Currently 989 MB are available to JOSM

Jak mám spustit JOSM s uvedeným parametrem tak aby pamět byla dostatečná

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Re: [Talk-GB] multiple GB lists

[Chris Fleming]

On 04/04/19 at 10:12am, Jez Nicholson wrote:

  Demonstrating my ignorance, I did not know until recently that there
  are other GB lists, shown here with their last used date:
  talk-gb-london/ 2019-03-14 14:35 talk-gb-midanglia/ 2016-06-17 15:15
  talk-gb-oxoncotswolds/ 2018-11-21 18:43 talk-gb-thenorth/ 2017-06-22
  11:44 talk-gb-westmidlands/ 2019-03-31 13:52 talk-scotland/ 2019-04-01
  11:48 This may be a perennial discussion, but I'll naively stick my
  neck out (again)   I, for one, would not be offended to read about
  regional activities in the main Talk-GB list. In fact, I would welcome
  seeing activity around the country even if i'm too far away to attend.
  They do not appear to be high volume. Could the owners of those lists
  consider culling them and merging with Talk-GB? Regards,              
  Jez

>From the talk-scotland point of view - we created it specifically as a
low-ish volume "alternative" to talk-gb at one of the meetups.

It currently has 42 folks, I suspect that a quarter to half-ish are also
on talk-gb So probably is useful for some level of communications.

But we should also try and cross-post about events on talk-gb.

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[Talk-at] 8. Mai - Mapathon in Salzburg

[Jakob Miksch]

Hallo miteinander,

am 8.Mai veranstaltet Maptime Salzburg einen humanitären Mapathon. Jeder 
ist herzlich eingeladen zu kommen. Alle Infos gibt es hier: 
http://maptime.io/salzburg/event/2019/05/08/Mapthon/


Viele Grüße,
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Re: [talk-cz] Žádosti o souhlas s poskytnutím dat

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Přidal jsem odkazy na šablony na wiki stránku:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Zdroje_v_jednani
Sám taky něco brzo pošlu - zatím zdá se posílal něco jen Mirek.

Majko, pošleš prosím odkaz na své finální PDFka? Nějak nedokážu najít,
jestli tam máš vložené ty připomínky z GoogleDocu

nebo ne.

P.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:32 PM Jan Macura  wrote:

> Snažil jsem se zorientovat v těch souborech na Gitu
> , ale je to pro mě jako
> procházka po španělské vesnici. Jestli tam není nic navíc oproti GDoc, tak
> ještě kouknu tam, ale svoje poznámky už jsem přidal.
>
> Díky
>  H.
>
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 19:27, majka  wrote:
>
>> Text je v tom Google dokumentu, nikam jinam připomínky nedorazily. Jde
>> jen a pouze o ten text. Hlavičkový papír, pokud se nepletu, oficiálně není
>> domluvený, není moc jasné ani to logo.
>>
>> Sama budu používat to, co mám od začátu připravené přes latex. Lepší/jiný
>> definitivní návrh co se vzhledu hlavičkového papíru / loga týká ještě
>> nepadl a počítám s tím, že do víkendu nepadne. "Něco" použít to chce. Dál
>> už se mi nechce čekat - původně jsem doufala, že touhle dobou už bude první
>> kolo za námi, a maximálně budu posílat upomínky ohledně toho, že se mi
>> někdo neozval zpátky.
>>
>> Můžu k tomu udělat navíc jednu šablonu ve Wordu a jednu v LibreOffice,
>> ale sama to používat nebudu - je to jen zbytečná a pro tuhle akci
>> nepotřebná komplikace. Jak už bylo řečeno, je to tvořené přímo pro pdf, kde
>> by zobrazení/tisk nemělo být tak náchylné na to, co kdo má nainstalované na
>> počítači.
>>
>> Majka
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 18:43, Pavel Zbytovský 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahoj Majko,
>>>
>>> můžu se zeptat kde jsou k dispozici ty finální šablony? Platí tedy to co
>>> je v tom google dokumentu? [1] Jestli ano - tak tam klidně
>>> popřijímej/uzavři všechny ty návrhy změn. Ať je jasné, že to je hotová
>>> verze 1.
>>>
>>> A máš už tedy i připravený ten hlavičkový papír? Vím, že ten posledně
>>> nějak chyběl, moc se v tom neorientuju.
>>>
>>> Díky
>>> Pavel
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JdhYGi2828bTwjkW6e3CAdyh_FeoJMlk8I8SfIHuGE0/edit#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 1:11 PM majka  wrote:
>>>
 Dávám poslední výzvu k tomu, vyjádřit se k těm vzorům žádosti o
 poskytnutí dat a průvodním dopisům.

 Zároveň také můžete posílat tipy na to, koho všechno obeslat - ale
 prosím konkrétně, poukázat na konkrétní datovou sadu.
 Z mé strany to budou banky - připadaně s žádostí o data v rozumnější
 podobě než jejich mapové aplikace nebo scrapování webových stránek - a k
 tomu ta CSS (čerpací stanice apod.). Další idea byly supermarkety
 (Terno/Trefa/Albert/...)

 Pokud někde vidíte příhodná data, dejte vědět. Začala bych ale tam, kde
 to můžeme daným firmám "prodat" jako bezplatnou reklamu.

 Akci rozběhnu o čtvrt roku později, než bylo původně plánováno - tedy
 začátkem dubna - poté, co zaktualizuji doby výběru poštovních schránek. Na
 pozdější reklamace nebude brán zřetel :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Relais poste chez commerçant disparus

[deuzeffe]

On 19/04/2019 11:59, marc marc wrote:

Le 19.04.19 à 10:11, deuzeffe a écrit :

Dans ce petit millier, il y a probablement de faux positifs.


tu penses que la base a perdu des bureaux tjs ouvert ?


Non, je pense plutôt à du tagging de "débutant" comme j'ai pu en faire 
moi-même càd indiquer le bureaux de poste existant sur le terrain sans 
le cortège de réf. qui va avec.



Quelle est la meilleure méthode pour que la communauté nettoie osm de
ces fantômes (sans supprimer ceux qui ont juste des tags incomplets,
s'il en existe) ?


il faudrait diviser le tas en 3 :
- ref anciennement valide et qui n'est plus dans
la dernière base = fermé ?


Et une diff. des bases (2015 ou autre vs 2019), ça se fait ?
(oui, 2015, par ex. parce que c'est la source qu'osmose donne dans ses 
remontées d'erreur).


J'y pense soudain : est-ce ça pourrait être des faux-positifs régurgités 
après le redécoupage en départements ? Sacré effet de bord/dégât 
collatéral :/



- ref invalide : faut vérifier à la main


Graouh :(


- sans ref : faut voir ce qu'osmose propose en intégration


Tu parses les 1 000 avec ton œil magique ? ;p
(sinon, pour les intégrations /de novo/, ce sont d'autres analyses, type 
802*)


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[marc marc]

Le 19.04.19 à 10:11, deuzeffe a écrit :
> Dans ce petit millier, il y a probablement de faux positifs.

tu penses que la base a perdu des bureaux tjs ouvert ?

> Quelle est la meilleure méthode pour que la communauté nettoie osm de 
> ces fantômes (sans supprimer ceux qui ont juste des tags incomplets, 
> s'il en existe) ?

il faudrait diviser le tas en 3 :
- ref anciennement valide et qui n'est plus dans
la dernière base = fermé ?
- ref invalide : faut vérifier à la main
- sans ref : faut voir ce qu'osmose propose en intégration
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[OSM-ja] Feature Proposal - RFC Proposed Japan tagging/Road types Implies and Useful combination

[yuu hayashi]

hayashiです

’highway=cycleway'が'Approved'となったことにより、[[Japan_tagging#Road_types]]
に「Useful combination」項目が追加されました。

他の 'Road types' についても「Useful combination」項目の記載と「Implies」項目の見直しを行いたいと思います。

「Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types」に、改定提案を示しています。
* 改善点
* 問題点
など、ございましたらお知らせください。

来週の金曜までに問題点の指摘がなければ、この内容で ''承認投票'' に入る予定です。

[改定提案 Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types

[現行のJapan_tagging#Road_types]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging#Road_types
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[talk-cz] hláška josm o nedostatku paměti

[Zdeněk Pražák]

aktualizoval jsem josm na poslední verzi a při práci se mi začala objevovat
hláška o nedostatku paměti

co mám dělat

přikládím výpis z konzole:

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user/det
ails -> 200 (445 B)
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minutes)
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minutes
if open changesets have been closed)
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Java
heap space
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heap s
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    at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.report(Unknown Source)
    at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.get(Unknown Source)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.layer.AutosaveTask.lambda$
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13719129.ru
n(Unknown Source)
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Source)
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    at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)
    at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown
Source)
    at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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    at java.util.Arrays.copyOfRange(Unknown Source)
    at java.lang.String.(Unknown Source)
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Sou
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known Source)
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uteValue(Unknown Source)
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391)
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(Unkno
wn Source)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.AbstractReader.parseNode
(AbstractReader.jav
a:665)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.OsmReader.parseNode(OsmReader.java:180)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.OsmReader.parseOsm(OsmReader.java:119)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.OsmReader.parseRoot(OsmReader.java:85)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.OsmReader.parse(OsmReader.java:71)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.OsmReader.lambda$doParseDataSet$0
(OsmReader
.java:430)
    at 

Re: [Talk-it] [pic4review] Task attraversamento per disabili

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno ven 19 apr 2019 alle ore 09:17 Alessandro Sarretta <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> funziona solamente su crossing già mappati in OSM?
si, solo sui già presenti
> come vengono scelte le foto da visualizzare per individuare
l'accessibilità degli attraversamenti? E' quella più vicina?

si, scelte per prossimità; spesso sono troppo vicine e il soggetto cade
fuori dal fotogramma, per cui è necessario caricarne altro con il tasto
"+". Se nemmeno queso è sufficiente, puoi accedere direttamente a Mapillary
con il simboletto del pin in alto alla foto

> da dove vengono i valori bad e half? Non sono documentati sul wiki, nel
quale invece c'è limited (oltre a yes e no)

Mi ero basato sul fatto che fosse un template usato diverse volte e pensavo
si riflettesse in "limited" od in una nota.. Hai ragione: vedrò di editare
il task

> quali sono i criteri per cui si valuta l'accessibilità? Oltre alla
qualità della superficie (smoothness) la cosa più
importante di solito sono i kerb (scalini e inclinazione): sarebbe
possibile inserire review anche per quelli?

come sopra, vediamo cosa si può editare. io direi che il bad possa essere
limited (con la soglia dei 7cm del wikli) mentre l'attraversamento a metà
si potrebbe segnalare con una note= Comunque le impostazioni ora sono per
l'editor internno, nma c'è la possibilità di agganciare pix2review a JOSM.
A quest punto però non vedo la differenza tra usare direttamente JOSM con
una query sui crossing e plugin Mapillary.

> mi pare di capire che in automatico venga aggiunto un tag mapillary= con
valore un codice univoco ma incomprensibile che rimanda a una foto su
Mapillary
> credo che almeno dovrebbe esserci un tag source=mapillary
> ha senso un codice del genere? E' documentato da qualche parte?

il tag è documentato qua [1]

> è possibile personalizzare un commento al commit?
mi sembra di no.La repo è qua [2].. oggi non ho tempo, ma ci si potrebbe
iscrivere e chiedere la possiblità, mi sembra che nella repo ci sia
abbastanza attività recente.

> A Padova stiamo iniziando un percorso partecipativo strutturato proprio
sui temi dell'accessibilità e capire se/come usare strumenti semplificati
come questo può essere molto utile.

Si, sono d'accordo... i punti deboli che hai segnalato si potrebbero
risolvere semplificando con un wheelchair=yes/no + note=

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mapillary?uselang=it
[2] https://framagit.org/Pic4Carto/Pic4Review/issues
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[OSM-talk-fr] Relais poste chez commerçant disparus

[deuzeffe]

Bonjour,

Un petit millier de Relais poste chez commerçants ne sont plus dans la 
base Datanova (base OD de la poste) en cours : 
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=7050 comme m'a indiqué 
Freed.


Osmose les signale donc par : "Bureau de Poste sans attribut 
“ref:FR:LaPoste” ou non valide"


Dans ce petit millier, il y a probablement de faux positifs.

Quelle est la meilleure méthode pour que la communauté nettoie osm de 
ces fantômes (sans supprimer ceux qui ont juste des tags incomplets, 
s'il en existe) ?


Merci pour la réponse, quelle qu'elle soit.
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Re: [Talk-it] [pic4review] Task attraversamento per disabili

[Alessandro Palmas]

  
  
Il 19/04/19 09:16, Alessandro Sarretta
  ha scritto:


  
  Ciao Giovanni,
  grazie per lo stimolo, lo strumento mi sembra molto
interessante.
  Ho alcune curiosità (non ho approfondito molto però, e me ne
scuso se alcune magari sono banali o alcune forse molto
specifiche) che magari puoi aiutarmi a risolvere:
  
  
funziona solamente su crossing già mappati in OSM?

come vengono scelte le foto da visualizzare per individuare
  l'accessibilità degli attraversamenti? E' quella più vicina?
da dove vengono i valori bad e half? Non sono documentati
  sul wiki, nel quale invece c'è limited (oltre a yes e no)

quali sono i criteri per cui si valuta l'accessibilità?
  Oltre alla qualità della superficie (smoothness) la cosa più
  importante di solito sono i kerb (scalini e inclinazione):
  sarebbe possibile inserire review anche per quelli?
mi pare di capire che in automatico venga aggiunto un tag
  mapillary= con valore un codice univoco ma incomprensibile che
  rimanda a una foto su Mapillary

  credo che almeno dovrebbe esserci un tag source=mapillary
  ha senso un codice del genere? E' documentato da qualche
parte? 
  

è possibile personalizzare un commento al commit?
  
  A Padova stiamo iniziando un percorso partecipativo strutturato
proprio sui temi dell'accessibilità e capire se/come usare
strumenti semplificati come questo può essere molto utile.


Ciao Ale,
lo sviluppatore era presente a SotM2018, qui la sua presentazione
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFrIC7vk3Gw

Vedendo https://pic4review.pavie.info/#/mission/255 sì, verifica gli
attraversamenti nella zona interessata dalla missione e cerca le
foto più vicine al punto.
Bad, indovinando, direi che è pari a wheelchair=limited: puoi sempre
crearti una piccola missione a Padova e verificare quali tag appone
su OSM.

Il codice univoco è quello della foto scelta.
Io ho appena eseguito un test su Milano
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2634941953): il codice di una
foto è xRwcp4a2ZejjHbSiHOEeDw e il link completo Mapillary di quella
foto è
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo=xRwcp4a2ZejjHbSiHOEeDw

Il commento al changeset lo puoi vedere qui
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69367783
Prova a scrivere ad Adrien proponendogli di inserire un campo ove
personalizzare il commento della singola missione.

Alessandro
  


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Import/Intégration et nom d'élément

[deuzeffe]

Le 19/04/2019 à 00:22, marc marc a écrit :


j'aimerais connaître votre avis sur les modifications suivantes :
http://osm.org/changeset/52017117


avec un commentaire si court, c'est difficile de savoir s'il a
fait un clic bête ou s'il a fait une réelle intégration
pour le nom, pour ma part la majorité des bureaux de poste n'ont
pas de nom.
"bureau de poste" ne fait que décrire amenity=post_office
name=localité décrit la localité
pour ma part, je ne rajoute aucun name=*


Ils sont dans la base datanova, me semble qu'Osmose les propose 
systématiquement. D'autre part, quand il y a plusieurs bureaux de poste 
dans une même commune (grande), ils ont bien des noms qui se réfèrent à 
des quartiers (par ex.). D'ailleurs, le wiki précise : /name=* - si le 
bureau de poste a un nom particulier/.


Donc, ne rajouter aucun nom sauf si cas particulier ?
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Re: [Talk-it] [pic4review] Task attraversamento per disabili

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Ciao Giovanni,

grazie per lo stimolo, lo strumento mi sembra molto interessante.

Ho alcune curiosità (non ho approfondito molto però, e me ne scuso se 
alcune magari sono banali o alcune forse molto specifiche) che magari 
puoi aiutarmi a risolvere:


 * funziona solamente su crossing già mappati in OSM?
 * come vengono scelte le foto da visualizzare per individuare
   l'accessibilità degli attraversamenti? E' quella più vicina?
 * da dove vengono i valori bad e half? Non sono documentati sul wiki,
   nel quale invece c'è limited (oltre a yes e no)
 * quali sono i criteri per cui si valuta l'accessibilità? Oltre alla
   qualità della superficie (smoothness) la cosa più importante di
   solito sono i kerb (scalini e inclinazione): sarebbe possibile
   inserire review anche per quelli?
 * mi pare di capire che in automatico venga aggiunto un tag mapillary=
   con valore un codice univoco ma incomprensibile che rimanda a una
   foto su Mapillary
 o credo che almeno dovrebbe esserci un tag source=mapillary
 o ha senso un codice del genere? E' documentato da qualche parte?
 * è possibile personalizzare un commento al commit?

A Padova stiamo iniziando un percorso partecipativo strutturato proprio 
sui temi dell'accessibilità e capire se/come usare strumenti 
semplificati come questo può essere molto utile.


Ale


On 19/04/19 08:39, Cascafico Giovanni wrote:
Ho attivato per Udine un task [1] per mappare l'accesso ai disabili 
degli attraversamenti, basandosi su Mapillary ed Openstreetcam.


Interessante il tool: offre la possibilità di clonare i diversi task 
template; questo l'ho impostato in un paio di minuti.


IMHO qusta mappatura può essere (letteralmente) un punto di partenza 
per far crescere la rete di percorsi per disabili.


[1] https://pic4review.pavie.info/#/mission/471/

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

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From: Ilya Zverev 
Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 5:26 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi folks,

'Tis that time of the year: only a week until SotM Call for Papers
closes, and time to think not only of your talk, but to remember
everybody who has inspired you over the past year. We are preparing the
next installment of the OSM Awards: please help us collect a long list
of people worth honouring.

http://awards.osmz.ru

As always, please sumbit people and projects you have noticed to the
website. Do not choose between who to mention and who isn't "worthy":
this is a call for a long list, which will be shortened later by a
closed voting. You can nominate yourself. You can nominate a friend.
Please do. The only limitation is that the person or a project must have
done something public after the 1st of June 2018. Basically, in the past
year. A link would be great.

This year, there are some changes:

* Gone are the three regional categories. Sorry. On the other hand, I'm
happy to notice people from less represented countries being very active
in the community, and receiving awards in the general categories.

* Now only people are accepted to the six main categories. One or a
pair, real names or OSM nicknames: not teams and not companies. Please
google authors of the software you'd like to nominate (though if you
insist, we can do it ourselves).

* Teams, groups and companies go to a separate category: Team
Archievement Award. SotM organizing teams, Esri and like, JOSM
developers and groups like that, all go here. If you want to nominate a
single leader or a developer, consider other categories. If you want to
nominate a vague group of people who did something great, this is the
category.

The call for nominees ends in July. Which does not mean you can postpone
and eventually forget about the call. Please read the next WeeklyOSM
with the idea of nominating people in mind. Look at tools you use and
blogs you read. While saying thanks to a neighbouring mapper, consider
nominating them. By doing that, you validate their efforts and make
their year a little brighter. We all need that.

Please nominate: http://awards.osmz.ru

And if you have time, please contribute to the website translations:

https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/osm-awards/dashboard/


Ilya

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[Talk-it] [pic4review] Task attraversamento per disabili

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Ho attivato per Udine un task [1] per mappare l'accesso ai disabili degli
attraversamenti, basandosi su Mapillary ed Openstreetcam.

Interessante il tool: offre la possibilità di clonare i diversi task
template; questo l'ho impostato in un paio di minuti.

IMHO qusta mappatura può essere (letteralmente) un punto di partenza per
far crescere la rete di percorsi per disabili.

[1] https://pic4review.pavie.info/#/mission/471/
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[talk-cz] Z tisku: Změny vedení tras na Olomoucku.

[Marián Kyral]

Kůrovec mění v Jeseníkách oblíbenou turistickou trasu k jezírkům na Rejvízu

https://www.idnes.cz/olomouc/zpravy/jeseniky-rejviz-kurovec-zmena-trasy-stezek-mechova-jezirka.A190415_470594_olomouc-zpravy_stk

Marián
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