Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

[Paul Norman via Talk-us]

On 2019-08-04 7:56 a.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

I've found this undocumented tag, used 130,000 times, almost
exclusively in the USA.

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hgv%3Anational_network#overview

Values: yes 86.56%   terminal_access 13.37%

I thought it might be imported from Tiger, but the usage has increased
gradually since 2012: 60k more ways have been tagged in that time.


If you look at the length, it increased to 10 km in Nov 2011, and to 
132000 km in Nov 2012. Aside from those sudden increases, there has been 
no change in usage.



How are these tags being used?


They're not.


I'm guessing that hgv:national_network=yes means that a road is
designated for heavy trucks to use for long-distance trips.


It means that it has a particular designation for budget purposes with a 
department of the federal government.


If I'm recalling correctly, these tags were invented by NE2 and never 
subject to any discussion, no data consumers use them, and they are 
poorly documented.


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Re: [Talk-at] Way: 357911189

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 06.08.19 04:40, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
Way: 357911189 renders as a lake, in reality it is a scree slope/gravel bed 
with a braided stream running through it.


It is tagged waterway riverbank. Do you have any suggestions for better 
tagging?


This should be micro-mapped from aerial images. You need to compare images 
from different years to see which parts of the area are frequently changing, 
and which are not.
natural=scree seems fine for most oft that area. The green parts are 
certainly natural=fell. waterway=riverbank is ok on the area around  E 
11.6636714 / N 47.0004158, which is covered most of the time by the varying 
branches of the stream.


I have never been to that region, but in general the alpine waterways carry 
a lot more water in spring and early summer due to snowmelt. You don't see 
these water levels in aerial images because they are taken when the snow is 
gone. So it's possible that waterway=riverbank is correct on a bigger area, 
but then it should be accompanied by intermittent=yes. See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ephemeral for ideas 
how to specify the season.


The waterway=stream itself should be adapted to the latest aerial image. 
This may by outdated anyway, but it's still better than what is mapped by now.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback

[stevea]

Michal (Mike? I have a brother with the same Polish spelling, and he goes by 
both names, too!), are you answering as a representative of Facebook or as a 
contributor to OSM, or both?  I believe I know you to be  a (well respected, 
august) contributor to OSM, but if you are saying that you might represent 
Facebook in this talk channel on this topic / these topics, I do not understand 
your relationship with Facebook, if any, and appreciate any clarity along those 
lines you might offer.  (You mention being "employees of a large company" and I 
get that Facebook is exactly that, are you an employee of Facebook?)  Or, 
perhaps you are simply replying to MY reply that "there is a Slack channel 
about this, discussion is happening there..." and that it would be difficult to 
have a discussion a la Slack here on talk.  If the latter is the case, I agree 
it would be "messier" (as it is single-threaded and slower / serial instead of 
parallelized like a Slack channel).  Yet, that addresses exactly my point:  
that a single(?) (Facebook) representative with a well-focused reply / message 
to address this / these topic(s) can work.  More slowly and cumbersome, yes (it 
is a cumbersome channel, I agree, yet we somehow make it work about as well as 
can be expected to work).  "Complicated" shouldn't scare Facebook away, nor be 
a reason or excuse to not engage in dialog.  That said, I myself am only one 
person in this endeavor to better dialog, not a point person or spokesperson, 
by any means!

A major thrust behind my invitation was about distinctly avoiding communication 
methodologies that are proprietary and require agreement with a contract of 
adhesion (precisely as Facebook and Slack offer and require) and using comm 
tech that is much, much more open (like talk here) — truer to the spirit of OSM.

Thanks for your reply, thanks in advance for any clarification you might 
further add,
SteveA

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Michal Migurski  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I appreciate the invitation, but this is a complicated list for employees of 
> a large company to have a discussion!
> 
> Instead, try posting on the diary post where Drishtie announced the project 
> and FB staff are actively responding: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711
> 
> The project is also on Github with open issues, if you’ve got something to 
> report: https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD/issues
> 
> -mike.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback

[Michal Migurski]

Hi,

I appreciate the invitation, but this is a complicated list for employees of a 
large company to have a discussion!

Instead, try posting on the diary post where Drishtie announced the project and 
FB staff are actively responding: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711

The project is also on Github with open issues, if you’ve got something to 
report: https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD/issues

-mike.

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:47 PM, stevea  wrote:
> 
> Re-threading from the rather messy previous one.
> 
> Mike:  Thank you for telling us of the #mapwithai_feedback Slack channel, 
> truly.  It is true that some of us choose not to use Slack.
> 
> I ask Facebook to meet the OSM community about these issues "on our turf" by 
> participating here.  That would speak volumes, Facebook.  This is a quite an 
> "open" channel, talk.  Archives remain open for years (forever?) and we speak 
> candidly, earnestly and honestly here.  If you weren't watching this thread / 
> dialog before, you are now, Facebook.  Please consider yourself invited here. 
>  Matters do seem pressing with an urgency, although I understand that 
> crafting a thoughtful reply can take some time.
> 
> That seems fair, yes, Valor?  A neutral, even polite invitation to here?  
> We'll see.
> 
> There are hundreds, maybe thousands who participate here.  "Facebook" 
> (whomever that might be in the guise of an OSM volunteer who subscribes here) 
> could politely answer this phone call, even quite well.
> 
> SteveA
> 


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[Talk-at] Way: 357911189

[forster]

Hi
Excuse me for posting in English

Way: 357911189 renders as a lake, in reality it is a scree  
slope/gravel bed with a braided stream running through it.


It is tagged waterway 	riverbank. Do you have any suggestions for  
better tagging?


Tony
(Australia)



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Re: [Talk-transit] Long bus routes

[David Fox via Talk-transit]

Really? Just because you may not want to does not mean others will not.

How would route distance and times be calculated?

On 5 August 2019, at 22:33, Tijmen Stam  wrote:

On 05-08-19 13:22, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/08/2019 14:35, Janko Mihelić wrote:
>> I think they should be mapped as relations with only stations in the 
>> relation.
> 
> How would you perform real-time tracking?

I think that is not something one does on OSM.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

[Christoph Hormann]

On Tuesday 06 August 2019, Kathleen Lu via legal-talk wrote:
> > If a user misuses a produced work, that is the fault of the user
> > (and
>
> perhaps a breach of the license by the user), not the work producer.
> I don't this is a slippery slope, but rather a principled decision.
> But the guideline is what it is, and I suppose you could lobby the
> Board to change it, but I personally would view such a change as
> unwise.

Well - to stay within the metaphor - if the downhill location is
considered desirable a slippery slope might be most welcome.

The ability to decide at will if share-alike applies in a certain use
case or not and avoiding responsibilities as much as possible are of
course generally highly desirable features for an interpretation of the
ODbL from the perspective of some creators of derived works.  For
guarding the social contract between mappers and data users that OSM is
built on and depends on however the situation looks very different.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing question

[Kathleen Lu via legal-talk]

The produced work guideline goes down the slippery slope of trying to
> define a produced work though the intention of the creator.  This was
> always a highly questionable approach.  Not only because intention in
> general is hard to determine objectively but also because the ODbL does
> not require the creator of a produced work to put any contraints on how
> the produced work is used so the intention of the creator does not have
> any bearing on how users actually use this work.
>
> If a user misuses a produced work, that is the fault of the user (and
perhaps a breach of the license by the user), not the work producer.
I don't this is a slippery slope, but rather a principled decision. But the
guideline is what it is, and I suppose you could lobby the Board to change
it, but I personally would view such a change as unwise.
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Re: [Talk-transit] Long bus routes

[Tijmen Stam]

On 05-08-19 13:22, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote:



On 02/08/2019 14:35, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I think they should be mapped as relations with only stations in the 
relation.


How would you perform real-time tracking?


I think that is not something one does on OSM.

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[talk-cz] Poštovní schránky, stav srpen 2019

[Majka]

Hlásím, že jsme se dostali za polovinu, popojela jsem s dohledáváním na 
Prachaticku a Strakonicku. Třetina dep je hotová z více než 90%,  zbytek je v 
různém stupni dokončení - od "ještě se na to skoro nesáhlo" po "nezbývá toho 
moc". Data v OSM jsou aktualizovaná podle srpnového exportu pošty. 

Problém stále ještě zůstává v Brně s těmi schránkami pod číslem :000. Jsou to 
schránky z minulosti, které se loni nepodařilo identifikovat na dálku. Zbývá 
jich tam asi 18, a blokují ty poloautomatické aktualizace na tomto depu (muselo 
by se tam dělat po jedné ručně). Navrhuji, že je definitivně vymažu, a pokud na 
místě schránka opravdu je, bude se muset vložit znovu. 

Potěšující je, že Česká pošta snad přestala šachovat s těmi ref, a už pouze na 
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Wochennotiz Nr. 471 23.07.2019–29.07.2019

[Wochennotizteam]

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 471 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der
OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da:

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2019/08/wochennotiz-nr-471/

Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
einreichen könnt, ohne Mitglied zu sein?  Einfach auf
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login mit eurem OSM-Benutzerkonto
anmelden und dann den Gastzugang benutzen.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen

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Re: [Talk-cat] Importació centres docents a Catalunya

[Lanxana .]

Bones, anem a pams...

La idea principal és que tenim un conjunt de dades A (generalitat), que
depurem per eliminar els duplicats i transformem en un conjunt de dades B
(etiquetat OSM). Aquest conjunt B es dividirà en X tasques que aniran al
gestor de tasques per facilitar la seva edició. Quan obris la tasca X1,
tindràs els punts de la tasca, cadascú amb les etiquetes que li pertoquen,
i en principi només caldrà verificar que és la mateixa escola que hi ha a
OSM, o és a prop. Si és la mateixa, es copien les etiquetes del punt X1 a
la escola en el mapa o es fusionen geometries. Si no ho és, o no hi és,
doncs caldrà dibuixar-la amb el nivell de detall que decidim i posar-li les
etiquetes que tenim en el punt X1. I si hi ha dubtes, preveure-ho i
deixar-la en "standby" com van fer a Madrid amb crec que va ser les fonts
d'aigua potable.

Ja que revisem les escoles que hi ha, podem unificar criteris, com que
l’etiquetat vagi sempre en el contorn o perímetre, com a amenity=school +
totes les etiquetes que tenim a la tasca Xn. Podem decidir que amb només el
perímetre ja està bé o la podem detallar un xic més. Per exemple, podem
afegir els edificis i posar-los el building=school o buildgin=kindergarten
si sabem de manera certera qué són, sinò building=school, building=public o
building=yes; podem afegir la pista esportiva com a leisure=pitch +
sport=multi (o basket, o futbol, el que pertoqui); podem afegir una font si
té i sabem on és, etc...

Sobre l’etiquetat que ja hi ha, no he mirat en els fitxers que vas passar
quin és, potser caldrà veure en cada cas què fer. Si és només el nom, doncs
veure quin dels dos és més complet i correcte. O si són etiquetes repetides
al perímetre i al edifici, esborrar les que sobren de l'edifici. Una de les
coses que estic preparant és l’ajust dels noms que hi ha al dataset als
codis d’ús de OSM. Per exemple, s’han de treure les abreviatures i les
sigles (AFA, CEE, CFA, EASD, EB...). En alguns casos serà complex i per
això estic fent un llistat amb tot el que he trobat i possibles solucions
per traslladar-ho després a debat i decidir com posem el nom.

Una altra cosa que s’haurà de fer és “arreglar” les adreces, ahir quan vaig
obrir el dataset per analitzar les dades vaig veure que el format que tenen
no és vàlid, s’hauran de “cuinar” abans de poder-les incorporar.

En aquests dies o ja el cap de setmana (sóc de les que no fan vacances a
l'agost) vull preparar bé què s’ha de fer amb cada tipus de dada, a nivell
de programació. Per exemple, que si l’adreça és ‘Av. Generalitat, 15’,
l’script ho haurà de traduir a tres camps: addr:full=Av.Generalitat, 15 +
addr:street=Avinguda de la Generalitat + addr:housenumber=15. I si l’escola
ofereix EINF2C+EPRI, l’script ho haurà de traduir a isced:level:1=yes +
isced:level:2=yes + min_age=3 + max_age=12  (lo dels isced:level ho estic
consultant amb tagging perquè ens deixin posar-los així en comptes de fer
servir isced:level=1; 2), a banda del tema del nom, format del número de
telèfon, etc.

Sobre altres scripts, es poden mirar les importacions que han fet a Madrid,
diria que per cadascuna han optat per una solució diferent, i que alguns
scripts estan la wiki i altres a github:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Espa%C3%B1a/Importaciones#Importaciones_finalizadas

I sobre manteniment de les dades, es pot plantejar com a tasca anual,
comprovar si han actualitzat el dataset al portal de dades obertes i fer un
match amb el que ja tinguem al mapa. En tot cas, afegirem el codi del
centre com a ref  per tal que després sigui més fàcil comparar dades i
actualitzar les que calgui.

Crec que no em deixo res...

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Re: [Talk-ee] SviMik_import is back to life

[Mihkel Rämmel]

Hi,
Some notes from my side:

The building import from 6 years ago had small issues with 2 things:
non-square buildings and adjoining buildings.
First one should be easy to solve by not squaring buildings where
corners are not around 90 degrees. Or has this been already solved?
Currently buildings do not use same nodes despite sharing a wall. It
would be hard or impossible to fix it programmatically without faults,
even if all data is imported once after post processing the accepted
data. A tool to assist going through such cases afterwards would not
hurt. This would assist in finding and fixing what came with import +
what has been drawn by users but might also need fixing.
Otherwise no other issues that I can remember of.

About import vs manual mapping - If there would be more mappers I
would prefer manual mapping of buildings (as more details get mapped
at the same region). But as there are few active mappers and some
passive mappers (including myself), I'm happy with import. With
current going there is no hope in foreseeable future of manually
mapping all significant buildings. There are regions that are well
mapped and there are regions where practically no mapping has happened
over the past years.


Regards,
Mihkel R
osm: RM87


On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:41 PM SviMik via Talk-ee
 wrote:
>
> First, I'd really like you to stop being so aggressive. You could spend that 
> energy to actually do something to improve OSM rather than ranting about not 
> being able to understand other languages. Keep in mind that I was respectful 
> enough to start this discussion in English, so literally everyone could 
> understand me. And you was disrespectful enough to say that people who speak 
> Russian are not part of the local community, even when they physically live 
> in Estonia. Don't be racist, OSM is not about the race or the language we 
> speak, okay? International projects are supposed to bring people together. 
> Where does this hatred come from?
>
> Now, here are my points:
>
> 1) It was discussed in talk-ee mailing list 30.03.2013.
>
> 2) After the 2013 import was done, I even made a short presentation during 
> SotM Baltics 2013 explaining this import and the tools we used.
>
> 3) You’re talking about maintaining the data, but that's exactly what I'm 
> doing right now.
>
> 4) I'm really sorry for you if your import was a crap. Mine wasn't. Even 
> looking at my import 5 years later I can still say that it was a complete 
> success and the right thing to do.
>
> 5) The source of the data is Maa-amet. I'm not offering any editor tools nor 
> any way to alter the data. My tools are only to confirm or reject the objects 
> to be imported, thus there is no editors per se that needs to be identified.
>
> 6) This is not a blind import - people see every single change that is going 
> to happen, and free to confirm or reject every one of them.
>
>
> Воскресенье,  4 августа 2019, 19:41 +03:00 от "Jaak Laineste" 
> :
> >
> > Your tools are really cool from technical perspective, but have you ever
> > discussed it fully with the local community, so the stategy is agreed? I see
> > link in the wiki page to some forum, but this is not a local community 
> > forum,
> > it is Russian forum and it is even in a language what a lot of younger
> > generation does not understand. It is just as absurd as if we would start to
> > discuss in Estonian how to map say New York, agree some strategies and then
> > assume that it is ok to garbage the map there. I really hope you don't
> > consider Estonia somehow as a part of Russia.
> >
> > My position is that in early years of OSM automatic imports of map for 
> > regions
> > what you don’t know made some sense, but now they do more harm - create map
> > data what is not maintained and not maintainable. Kind of digital garbage. 
> > Is
> > is much better map less, more carefully, and avoid senseless copy of other 
> > map
> > data.  Again, if someone needs Maaamet maps then they should take the latest
> > version from them anytime. There is no need to copy if over to OSM at all. 
> > OSM
> > is never meant to be collection of different geo datasets, even if they are
> > really nice, it is human-created original global map database.
> >
> > Now if you decide to do it, then the editors must be identified. There is
> > process on agreeing on legal contributor terms of edits, including right to
> > take back the agreement. If you put all edits under your own name, then 
> > anyone
> > can claim that you did not do the edits, and can request to just undo all of
> > them. It looks like complete legal mess there from IP perspective. Also 
> > there
> > is no way to ask comments/clarifications about specific edits. Therefore
> > proper way to do it would be like with editors like ID, JOSM etc - every 
> > user
> > is identified with OSM username, takes responsibility for his/her edits, so 
> > it
> > is clear who to contact and who is responsible for this.
> >
> > I did several 

Re: [Talk-es] Ayuntamiento de València como proveedor de datos.

[dcapillae]

Hola, Jordi.

He subido el archivo al wiki y lo he clasificado entre los documentos de
autorización que ya tenemos [1].

La semana que viene, cuando ya estés en casa frente al ordenador, lo puedes
editar y añadirle los detalles que veas necesarios. Voy a añadir una
referencia provisional al Ayuntamiento de Valencia en las páginas de
colaboradores y, lo mismo, luego si acaso la editas y la pones a tu gusto.

Gracias por tu contribución.

Atentamente,
Daniel

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Permiso_Ayuntamiento_de_Val%C3%A8ncia.pdf



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Re: [Talk-es] Ayuntamiento de València como proveedor de datos.

[Jordi MF]

Hola dcapillae,

Gracias por la información. Estoy fuera de casa, así que lo intentaré hacer
dentro de una semana cuando vuelva. Ahora funciono con un móvil y es un poco
más complicado editar la wiki. Obviamente, si alguien quiere añadir parte de
esta información en la wiki, se agradecerá.

Saludos,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Microsoft Buildings vs. OpenStreetMap visualization

[Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk]

As far as I know, the "Bing Only" layer in the comparison tool 
represents the vector data that Microsoft has made available here: 
https://github.com/Microsoft/USBuildingFootprints


My experience has been that about 50% of the Bing buildings are rotated 
to an incorrect orientation. In other rare cases it mapped the various 
puddles on a flat roof as separate buildings. So I personally would not 
use the Bing data as it is too inaccurate.


As far as the comparison tool - it looks great! But I did notice that it 
failed to recognize buildings that exist in OSM as multipolygon 
relations. I already sent feedback to the tool developer about this.


-Rassilon

On 8/5/2019 8:58 AM, Dave F via talk wrote:

Hi

Is the 'Bing only' vector?

On 02/08/2019 12:24, Darafei "Kom??pa" Praliaskouski wrote:

Hi,

Here's a demo by azavea showing how 125 Million AI-mapped buildings relate
to 33 Million buildings currently in OpenStreetMap in the same region.

https://demos.azavea.com/building-footprint-comparison/#4.4/38.67/-93.93





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[Talk-de] Dokumentation zur Overpass API

[Roland Olbricht]

Hallo zusammen,

es gibt jetzt ein nutzbares Handbuch zur Overpass API
https://dev.overpass-api.de/overpass-doc/de/

Das Handbuch soll einerseits den Wunsch nach einer umfassenden
Dokumentation erfüllen, andererseits Features jenseits von schlichtem
key=value und Bounding-Box mehr Mappern zugänglich machen. Unter anderem
deswegen ist es auf Deutsch verfügbar, Englisch und Französisch werden
folgen.

Zwar befindet sich das Handbuch noch in Aufbau, aber die wichtigen
Kapitel "Einführung", "Räumliche Datenauswahl" und "Objekte finden" sind
bereits einsatzreif. Die übrigen Kapitel und Abschnitte werde ich in den
nächsten Monaten nachtragen.

Über Rückmeldung würde ich mich freuen und werde dazu den
Github-Issuetracker, die Mailingliste sowie Mails direkt an mich und
auch das Forum lesen.

Viele Grüße,

Roland

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Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

[Mike N]

On 8/5/2019 9:42 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:
So is this the tag the lack of which should keep trucks off my street 
with tight turn radii?


 I'm not an expert, but I'd guess it only keeps the street from seeing 
continuous truck traffic even if it is the best route or turnaround (but 
only in California).


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Re: [Talk-es] Ayuntamiento de València como proveedor de datos.

[dcapillae]

Buenos días.

Enhorabuena, Jordi. Explico lo que hay que hacer para subir la autorización
al wiki para que podamos recuperarla en cualquier momento. 

Los documentos de autorización se pueden subir al wiki haciendo clic en la
opción «Upload file» (subir archivo) del menú lateral izquierdo. Lo único
que habría que hacer es asegurarse de incluirla en la categoria
«Category:ES:Autorizaciones para usar fuentes de datos de España» [1],
añadiendo lo siguiente al archivo de subida:

[[Category:ES:Autorizaciones para usar fuentes de datos de España]]

Luego, si te apetece, puedes añadir una transcripción del contenido del
documento en texto plano como descripción del mismo. Si usas más de un
idioma (valenciano, español, inglés), mejor todavía. Un ejemplo podría ser
este documento de autorización de la Generalidad de Cataluña:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Carta_OpenStreetMap.pdf

También habría que asegurarse de que el Ayuntamiento de Valencia aparezca
desde ya en la página de colaboradores de OSM [2]. La comunidad española
tiene una página para lo mismo [2], aunque ya sabes que solo funciona a
nivel local. Puedes anotar donde quieras, pero que no se te olvide ponerlo
en la página principal. También puedes anotarlo en la página de fuentes de
datos potenciales de España [3], con un enlace al documento de autorización
recién subido.

Si necesitas ayuda para hacer cualquiera de estas cosas, cuenta conmigo.

Muchas gracias por tu empeño todos estos meses. Enhorabuena.

Atentamente,
Daniel

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:ES:Autorizaciones_para_usar_fuentes_de_datos_de_España
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:España/Contribuidores
[4]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Fuentes_de_datos_potenciales_de_España



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Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

[Bill Ricker]

So is this the tag the lack of which should keep trucks off my street with
tight turn radii?

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 9:38 AM Mike N  wrote:

> hgv=destination is the closest, but I'm not exactly sure how routers
> treat 'destination'.   Some of these look like they carry some 'through
> traffic' in addition to the classic termination at a facility.
>
>
> On 8/5/2019 9:07 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> > hgv:national_network=terminal_access means > "a road which can carry
> > cargo trucks and has an adequate turn-around facility at the end"
> >
> > Great, that's helpful. So it sounds like this tag is a synonym for
> > hgv=destination or hgv=yes?
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > On 8/5/19, Mike N  wrote:
> >> Hi, "Terminal Access" appears to be unique to California, and generally
> >> means a road which can carry cargo trucks and has an adequate
> >> turn-around facility at the end.   They most often provide access for
> >> cargo pick-up or delivery.   (at least one area says it does not include
> >> oversize trucks)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Mike Nice
> >>
> >> On 8/5/2019 6:33 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> >>> Ok, thanks! I've created a wiki page at Key:hgv:national_network
> >>>
> >>> It's still not clear to me what the tag
> >>> hgv:national_network=terminal_access means - please add if you can
> >>> tell from the data in your area, perhaps?
> >>>
> >>> Joseph
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:13 AM Mike N  wrote:
> 
> 
>  This was part of the iterative road improvement after TIGER as we
> began
>  with major highways.?? ?? I believe it came from the public domain
>  information for the National Network
>  https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/infrastructure/national_network.htm
> .
> 
>  On 8/4/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> > I've found this undocumented tag, used 130,000 times, almost
> > exclusively in the USA.
> >
> >
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hgv%3Anational_network#overview
> >
> > Values: yes 86.56%?? ??terminal_access 13.37%
> >
> > I thought it might be imported from Tiger, but the usage has
> increased
> > gradually since 2012: 60k more ways have been tagged in that time.
> >
> > How are these tags being used?
> >
> > I'm guessing that hgv:national_network=yes means that a road is
> > designated for heavy trucks to use for long-distance trips.
> >
> > Perhaps hgv:national_network=terminal_access means that heavy trucks
> > can only use a road if their destination is on it, or near it?
> >
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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Francesco Ansanelli]

Propongo una votazione per cambiare la pagina wiki con la correzione
dell'esempio citato in modo che non ci siano più dubbi a riguardo.
Francesco

Il lun 5 ago 2019, 14:15 Marcello  ha scritto:

> Il 05/08/19 13:35, Francesco Ansanelli ha scritto:
>
>
>
> Il lun 5 ago 2019, 12:37 Federico Cortese  ha
> scritto:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > sì, lo faccio spesso anch’io (quando non mappo gli ingressi ma solo dei
>> singoli POI). Sempre di meno però.
>> >
>>
>> In realtà io mappo sempre gli ingressi ai fabbricati, ma se vedo che
>> quell'ingresso corrisponde ad un negozio, oltre alle informazioni del
>> civico ci metto anche quelle relative all'attività commerciale, cosa
>> che ho capito a te non piacere.
>>
>
> Qui non parliamo di cosa ci piace, ma cosa è giusto secondo le regole di
> OSM e le specifiche sul wiki... Non credo che mettiamo i tag come piacciono
> a noi e volevo precisarlo. Niente di personale
>
> Ovviamente non c'è nulla di personale, però se si guarda le pagine wiki
> c'è chiaramente scritto che nel caso di Point Of Interest gli elementi
> addr:* si aggiungono al POI, come già detto nella pagina in italiano è
> proprio riportato come esempio della chiave addr:*, dunque non capisco
> tutto questo clamore, abbiamo un'opinione diversa, ma non si può dire che è
> sbagliato.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

[Mike N]

hgv=destination is the closest, but I'm not exactly sure how routers 
treat 'destination'.   Some of these look like they carry some 'through 
traffic' in addition to the classic termination at a facility.



On 8/5/2019 9:07 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

hgv:national_network=terminal_access means > "a road which can carry
cargo trucks and has an adequate turn-around facility at the end"

Great, that's helpful. So it sounds like this tag is a synonym for
hgv=destination or hgv=yes?

Joseph

On 8/5/19, Mike N  wrote:

Hi, "Terminal Access" appears to be unique to California, and generally
means a road which can carry cargo trucks and has an adequate
turn-around facility at the end.   They most often provide access for
cargo pick-up or delivery.   (at least one area says it does not include
oversize trucks)

Regards,

Mike Nice

On 8/5/2019 6:33 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

Ok, thanks! I've created a wiki page at Key:hgv:national_network

It's still not clear to me what the tag
hgv:national_network=terminal_access means - please add if you can
tell from the data in your area, perhaps?

Joseph

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:13 AM Mike N  wrote:



This was part of the iterative road improvement after TIGER as we began
with major highways.?? ?? I believe it came from the public domain
information for the National Network
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/infrastructure/national_network.htm .

On 8/4/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

I've found this undocumented tag, used 130,000 times, almost
exclusively in the USA.

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hgv%3Anational_network#overview

Values: yes 86.56%?? ??terminal_access 13.37%

I thought it might be imported from Tiger, but the usage has increased
gradually since 2012: 60k more ways have been tagged in that time.

How are these tags being used?

I'm guessing that hgv:national_network=yes means that a road is
designated for heavy trucks to use for long-distance trips.

Perhaps hgv:national_network=terminal_access means that heavy trucks
can only use a road if their destination is on it, or near it?

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Re: [Talk-us] What is the meaning of hgv:national_network=yes/terminal_access?

[Joseph Eisenberg]

hgv:national_network=terminal_access means > "a road which can carry
cargo trucks and has an adequate turn-around facility at the end"

Great, that's helpful. So it sounds like this tag is a synonym for
hgv=destination or hgv=yes?

Joseph

On 8/5/19, Mike N  wrote:
> Hi, "Terminal Access" appears to be unique to California, and generally
> means a road which can carry cargo trucks and has an adequate
> turn-around facility at the end.   They most often provide access for
> cargo pick-up or delivery.   (at least one area says it does not include
> oversize trucks)
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike Nice
>
> On 8/5/2019 6:33 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> Ok, thanks! I've created a wiki page at Key:hgv:national_network
>>
>> It's still not clear to me what the tag
>> hgv:national_network=terminal_access means - please add if you can
>> tell from the data in your area, perhaps?
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:13 AM Mike N  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This was part of the iterative road improvement after TIGER as we began
>>> with major highways.?? ?? I believe it came from the public domain
>>> information for the National Network
>>> https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/infrastructure/national_network.htm .
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
 I've found this undocumented tag, used 130,000 times, almost
 exclusively in the USA.

 https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hgv%3Anational_network#overview

 Values: yes 86.56%?? ??terminal_access 13.37%

 I thought it might be imported from Tiger, but the usage has increased
 gradually since 2012: 60k more ways have been tagged in that time.

 How are these tags being used?

 I'm guessing that hgv:national_network=yes means that a road is
 designated for heavy trucks to use for long-distance trips.

 Perhaps hgv:national_network=terminal_access means that heavy trucks
 can only use a road if their destination is on it, or near it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Microsoft Buildings vs. OpenStreetMap visualization

[Dave F via talk]

Hi

Is the 'Bing only' vector?

On 02/08/2019 12:24, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote:

Hi,

Here's a demo by azavea showing how 125 Million AI-mapped buildings relate
to 33 Million buildings currently in OpenStreetMap in the same region.

https://demos.azavea.com/building-footprint-comparison/#4.4/38.67/-93.93





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Re: [talk-cz] zjištění pozice značky začátku a konce obce

[Jan Dudík]

značka (IZ4a, IZ4b) by se měla umisťovat max. 50 m před začátkem souvisle
zastavěného území.
V praxi je to často jinak, nehledě na úseky, kde je mezi značkami na
určitém úseku povolena vyšší rychlost.
Potom jsou příady, kdy na sebe navazují souvisle dvě sídla, pak by se
začátek druhého měl značit pouze značkou IZ4a, ale ten leckdy buď chybí,
takže ač v sídle 2, poslední značka byla sídlo 1, nebo naopak již před
začátkem kousíčku sídla 2 je značka s názvem sídla 2

Čili, pokud není z mapě přímo vyznačena ploha značky, lze začátek opravdu
jen odhadovat.

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po 5. 8. 2019 v 14:02 odesílatel Jan Macura  napsal:

> Zdravím,
>
> jestli správně rozumím dotazu, hledáte dopravní značku začátek/konec obce
> -- ta je označena jako traffic_sign=city_limit (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:traffic_sign%3Dcity_limit).
>
> Snad jsem pomohl
>  H.
>
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 13:52,  wrote:
>
>> Dobrý den,
>>
>> měl bych docela obecnou otázku - je možné z OSM map (libov. API -
>> nominatim, overpass,..) najít pozici značky obce? Když budu mít 2 body
>> jedem 500m před ní a 1 500m za ní, abych věděl, který bod je v obci a který
>> je mimo. Někde je třeba užitečný tag "place=city", ale jinde je město
>> příliš rozsáhlé a liší se "hranice" města a skutečná pozice značky i o 2
>> km. Bylo by to možné zjistit ještě nějak jinak?
>>
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[talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 470

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 470 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

https://weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/12261

* Vysychající potoky.
* Vodní toky Horehroní.
* Zeleň v městech a vesnicích.
* Problémy s WGS84.
* Validace chyb QA nástrojů.
* Nový styl OSM fóra.
* Pravidla pro lokální zastoupení Nadace OSM.
* Život žen v Latinské Americe.
* Nový server pro Overpass Turbo.
* Mapa historie GULagů.
* Jaké budou mapy budoucnosti?
* Minecraft Earth.

Pěkné počtení ...

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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Marcello]

Il 05/08/19 13:35, Francesco Ansanelli ha scritto:
>
>
> Il lun 5 ago 2019, 12:37 Federico Cortese  > ha scritto:
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > sì, lo faccio spesso anch’io (quando non mappo gli ingressi ma
> solo dei singoli POI). Sempre di meno però.
> >
>
> In realtà io mappo sempre gli ingressi ai fabbricati, ma se vedo che
> quell'ingresso corrisponde ad un negozio, oltre alle informazioni del
> civico ci metto anche quelle relative all'attività commerciale, cosa
> che ho capito a te non piacere.
>
>
> Qui non parliamo di cosa ci piace, ma cosa è giusto secondo le regole
> di OSM e le specifiche sul wiki... Non credo che mettiamo i tag come
> piacciono a noi e volevo precisarlo. Niente di personale
Ovviamente non c'è nulla di personale, però se si guarda le pagine wiki
c'è chiaramente scritto che nel caso di Point Of Interest gli elementi
addr:* si aggiungono al POI, come già detto nella pagina in italiano è
proprio riportato come esempio della chiave addr:*, dunque non capisco
tutto questo clamore, abbiamo un'opinione diversa, ma non si può dire
che è sbagliato.

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Re: [talk-cz] Potok nepotok

[Václav Kroupar]

Osobně to tipuji na trubku. Na začátku i na konci jsou "pidi domečky", ale
mezi jsem to rozkopané neviděl.
-- Původní e-mail --
Od: xkomc...@centrum.cz 
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 5. 8. 2019 13:58:48
Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] Potok nepotok
"Já to teda čtu jinak:

tunnel=culvert - trubka

tunnel=flooded - vodní dílo určité délky a velikosti

Otázka (nejspíš na Václava Kroupu), co tam vlastně je, ale spíš tipuji,
že půjde o nějakou betonovou skruž než o nějakou promyšlenou stavbu
větších parametrů

On 05. 08. 19 8:34, Jakub Jelen wrote:
> Nevim, culvert podle wiki je pouze trubka pod silnici [1]. Pokud je to
> trubka pod pulkou mesta, tak wiki doporucuje flooded [2].
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dculvert
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dflooded
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:32 AM xkomc...@centrum.cz 
wrote:
>> ještě lépe:
>>
>> tunnel=culvert
>>
>> On 04. 08. 19 9:43, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
>>> Dne 03. 08. 19 v 16:35 Václav Kroupar napsal(a):
 Narazil jsem na potok https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81491610#map=
15/50.4770/13.4319 , který evidentně minimálně od
 Přivaděče do Velkého otvického rybníka (Bandy) nevede po povrchu. Dle
všeho to je technické potrubí pro převod vody z
 Přivaděče do Bandy. V Přivaděči je tomto místě vpusť a na Bandě je u
hráze výtok. Dál mezi rybníky může takto
 pokračovat. Těžko to zkontroluji - bažiny a ploty.
 Předem díky za radu, jak to opravit, abych nerozbil něco jiného.
Evidentně se do mapy dostal importem.

>>> To potrubi pod zemi otagovat takto:
>>> tunnel=yes
>>> waterway=canal
>>>
>>> pr:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286559395#map=14/47.1398/12.5843
>>>
>>> Mirek
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Re: [Talk-es] Ayuntamiento de València como proveedor de datos.

[Carlos Cámara via Talk-es]

Gran noticia, Jordi. Enhorabuena.

Carlos Cámara
http://carloscamara.es

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 Missatge Original 
Actiu 5 ag. 2019, 13:54, Jordi MF va escriure:

> Hola a todos,
>
> Hemos recibido respuesta por parte del Ayuntamiento de València. Nos dan
> permiso para poder usar los datos abiertos. Nos piden que añadamos la fuente
> (Ajuntament de València) y la fecha en la que se consultaron los datos:
> source=Ajuntament de València
> source:date=-MM-DD
>
> Adjunto la carta con el permiso. Està en valenciano. Supongo que haría falta
> añadirlo en laguna página de la wiki y colgar la carta. En esta carta
> aparecía una dirección de correo particular, por lo que la he eliminado. Si
> en algún momento hiciese falta el original, lo tengo (aunque dudo que haga
> falta mostrar el permiso en el que aparezca dicha dirección).
>
> Aprovecho para dar las gracias a toda la comunidad de OSM, que se ha
> implicado y ayudado en este caso, y a los responsables del Servicio de
> Transparencia y del Gobierno Abierto.
>
> Saludos!
>
> Jordi MF
>
> Permiso_Ayuntamiento_de_València.pdf
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Re: [talk-cz] zjištění pozice značky začátku a konce obce

[Jan Macura]

Zdravím,

jestli správně rozumím dotazu, hledáte dopravní značku začátek/konec obce
-- ta je označena jako traffic_sign=city_limit (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:traffic_sign%3Dcity_limit).

Snad jsem pomohl
 H.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 13:52,  wrote:

> Dobrý den,
>
> měl bych docela obecnou otázku - je možné z OSM map (libov. API -
> nominatim, overpass,..) najít pozici značky obce? Když budu mít 2 body
> jedem 500m před ní a 1 500m za ní, abych věděl, který bod je v obci a který
> je mimo. Někde je třeba užitečný tag "place=city", ale jinde je město
> příliš rozsáhlé a liší se "hranice" města a skutečná pozice značky i o 2
> km. Bylo by to možné zjistit ještě nějak jinak?
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Re: [talk-cz] zjištění pozice značky začátku a konce obce

[Jan Martinec]

Dobrý den,

Moc ne.

Katastr máme, hranici osídlení přibližně a někde (což by na stovky metrů
mohlo stačit, kde je zmapováno), ale značky Začátek/Konec obce se řídí
vlastní logikou, která souvisí jen volně: typicky vytrčená před obývanou
oblast kvůli hluku, nebo naopak hluboko ve městě kvůli klasifikaci (D1 na
kilometru 0 je kilometr-dva hluboko v Praze, ale značka je až tam).

Jaký je konečný účel? Možná by se to dalo vydedukovat z dalších (meta)dat...

Zdar,
Honza "Piškvor" Martinec


Dne po 5. 8. 2019 13:52 uživatel  napsal:

> Dobrý den,
>
> měl bych docela obecnou otázku - je možné z OSM map (libov. API -
> nominatim, overpass,..) najít pozici značky obce? Když budu mít 2 body
> jedem 500m před ní a 1 500m za ní, abych věděl, který bod je v obci a který
> je mimo. Někde je třeba užitečný tag "place=city", ale jinde je město
> příliš rozsáhlé a liší se "hranice" města a skutečná pozice značky i o 2
> km. Bylo by to možné zjistit ještě nějak jinak?
>
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Re: [talk-cz] Potok nepotok

[xkomc...@centrum.cz]

Já to teda čtu jinak:

tunnel=culvert - trubka

tunnel=flooded - vodní dílo určité délky a velikosti

Otázka (nejspíš na Václava Kroupu), co tam vlastně je, ale spíš tipuji, 
že půjde o nějakou betonovou skruž než o nějakou promyšlenou stavbu 
větších parametrů


On 05. 08. 19 8:34, Jakub Jelen wrote:

Nevim, culvert podle wiki je pouze trubka pod silnici [1]. Pokud je to
trubka pod pulkou mesta, tak wiki doporucuje flooded [2].

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dculvert
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dflooded

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:32 AM xkomc...@centrum.cz  wrote:

ještě lépe:

tunnel=culvert

On 04. 08. 19 9:43, Miroslav Suchy wrote:

Dne 03. 08. 19 v 16:35 Václav Kroupar napsal(a):

Narazil jsem na potok 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81491610#map=15/50.4770/13.4319 , který 
evidentně minimálně od
Přivaděče do Velkého otvického rybníka (Bandy) nevede po povrchu. Dle všeho to 
je technické potrubí pro  převod vody z
Přivaděče do Bandy. V Přivaděči je tomto místě vpusť a na Bandě je u hráze 
výtok. Dál mezi rybníky může takto
pokračovat. Těžko to zkontroluji - bažiny a ploty.
Předem díky za radu, jak to opravit, abych nerozbil něco jiného. Evidentně se 
do mapy dostal importem.


To potrubi pod zemi otagovat takto:
tunnel=yes
waterway=canal

pr:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286559395#map=14/47.1398/12.5843

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-es] Ayuntamiento de València como proveedor de datos.

[Jordi MF]

Hola a todos,

Hemos recibido respuesta por parte del Ayuntamiento de València. Nos dan
permiso para poder usar los datos abiertos. Nos piden que añadamos la fuente
(Ajuntament de València) y la fecha en la que se consultaron los datos:
source=Ajuntament de València
source:date=-MM-DD

Adjunto la carta con el permiso. Està en valenciano. Supongo que haría falta
añadirlo en laguna página de la wiki y colgar la carta. En esta carta
aparecía una dirección de correo particular, por lo que la he eliminado. Si
en algún momento hiciese falta el original, lo tengo (aunque dudo que haga
falta mostrar el permiso en el que aparezca dicha dirección).

Aprovecho para dar las gracias a toda la comunidad de OSM, que se ha
implicado y ayudado en este caso, y a los responsables del Servicio de
Transparencia y del Gobierno Abierto.

Saludos!

Jordi MF

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[talk-cz] zjištění pozice značky začátku a konce obce

[siskaj1810]

Dobrý den,



měl bych docela obecnou otázku - je možné z OSM map (libov. API - nominatim,
overpass,..) najít pozici značky obce? Když budu mít 2 body jedem 500m před
ní a 1 500m za ní, abych věděl, který bod je v obci a který je mimo. Někde
je třeba užitečný tag "place=city", ale jinde je město příliš rozsáhlé a
liší se "hranice" města a skutečná pozice značky i o 2 km. Bylo by to možné
zjistit ještě nějak jinak? 




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Re: [OSM-ja] JA: Available Dataの改定提案の議論について

[tomoya muramoto]

legal-talkでの議論内容をOSM wikiにまとめました。
認識違いがあれば修正をお願いします。
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copy_content_from_a_business_website

またAvailable dataの英語版は作りかけですが、こちらにも手を入れて頂ければと思います。
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Available_Data
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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Francesco Ansanelli]

Il lun 5 ago 2019, 12:37 Federico Cortese  ha scritto:

> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
>  wrote:
> >
> > sì, lo faccio spesso anch’io (quando non mappo gli ingressi ma solo dei
> singoli POI). Sempre di meno però.
> >
>
> In realtà io mappo sempre gli ingressi ai fabbricati, ma se vedo che
> quell'ingresso corrisponde ad un negozio, oltre alle informazioni del
> civico ci metto anche quelle relative all'attività commerciale, cosa
> che ho capito a te non piacere.
>

Qui non parliamo di cosa ci piace, ma cosa è giusto secondo le regole di
OSM e le specifiche sul wiki... Non credo che mettiamo i tag come piacciono
a noi e volevo precisarlo. Niente di personale

Si tratta sempre di scegliere il minore dei mali, capisco che avere
> entrance=yes + addr:housenumber=* + shop=clothes non sia l'ideale, ma
> mi piace di meno avere un entrance=yes + addr:housenumber=* sul nodo
> di ingresso e dentro all'edificio un altro nodo shop=clothes +
> addr:housenumber=*, cosa che chiaramente non posso evitare quando
> dallo stesso ingresso ho più attività (esempio scala che conduce al
> piano primo ove sono più studi professionali: in questo caso ho un
> entrance sul perimetro col civico e più nodi all'interno con gli
> uffici dove duplico l'indirizzo).
>
> Ciao,
> Federico
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Re: [Talk-transit] Long bus routes

[Dave F via Talk-transit]

On 02/08/2019 14:35, Janko Mihelić wrote:

I think they should be mapped as relations with only stations in the relation.


How would you perform real-time tracking?

DaveF


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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Federico Cortese]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 12:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
>
> sì, lo faccio spesso anch’io (quando non mappo gli ingressi ma solo dei 
> singoli POI). Sempre di meno però.
>

In realtà io mappo sempre gli ingressi ai fabbricati, ma se vedo che
quell'ingresso corrisponde ad un negozio, oltre alle informazioni del
civico ci metto anche quelle relative all'attività commerciale, cosa
che ho capito a te non piacere.
Si tratta sempre di scegliere il minore dei mali, capisco che avere
entrance=yes + addr:housenumber=* + shop=clothes non sia l'ideale, ma
mi piace di meno avere un entrance=yes + addr:housenumber=* sul nodo
di ingresso e dentro all'edificio un altro nodo shop=clothes +
addr:housenumber=*, cosa che chiaramente non posso evitare quando
dallo stesso ingresso ho più attività (esempio scala che conduce al
piano primo ove sono più studi professionali: in questo caso ho un
entrance sul perimetro col civico e più nodi all'interno con gli
uffici dove duplico l'indirizzo).

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Ciao
Scusami se faccio un intervento a gamba tesa con alcuni appunti "sparsi"
- anche se WMI è il chapter ufficiale di OSM Foundation, non è
responsabile dei contenuti su OSM (esattamente come su Wikipedia)
- le violazioni sembra essere una questione che debba essere gestita
dalla Foundation su segnalazione
- se ti associ a OSM Foundation e/o a WMI sei comunque un socio di
associazioni che sostengono il progetto OSM
-
Quanto a Setetrack dovresti capire cosa vogliono dalla OSM Foundation
perchè non è detto che trovino la risposta al loro quesito.
Anzi, mi suona strano che sul sito parlino con molta attenzione di
sicurezza e poi si appoggino a OSM
Con questo non voglio dire che OSM è insicuro, solo che, nella maggior
parte dei casi, quando qualcuno parla di sicurezza lo fa anche sulla
base della conoscenza di profonda conoscenza dei processi con cui i
prodotti sono creati.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[deuzeffe]

Vu, merci !
(c'est bien pour raison d'efficacité que j'avais mentionné le compte 
twitter...)


On 05/08/2019 10:05, Christian Quest wrote:

Et voilà... https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1158287747381170176

C'est souvent le plus efficace ;)

Le lun. 5 août 2019 à 09:04, deuzeffe > a écrit :


On 05/08/2019 08:24, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:

Bonjour,

 >>> Si quelqu'un de plus aguerri que moi pense qu'il y a un
détournement
 >>> manifeste, le gars peut être interpellé sur son twitter :
 >>> https://twitter.com/TOURISMEMARSEIL
 >> La carte ressemble effectivement beaucoup à OSM. Leur site, va
taper à
 >> la fois sur maps.google.com  mais aussi
sur tile.openstreetmap.org 
 >
 >
 > Ils utilisent le javascript de Google maps et les tuiles
 > d'openstreetmap.org .

Merci à vous deux pour les explications. Et donc, il y a qq chose à
faire/lui dire pour lui faire respecter la licence d’utilisation d'osm ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[François Lacombe]

Merci Christian, en effet on sors la mitraillette à rappels à l'ordre en ce
moment.
J'avais déjà vu ce cas des tuiles OSM utilisées dans l'API Google, qui
évidemment pose son logo par dessus

Avec Donat on a ce cas également avec EDF
https://twitter.com/drobaux/status/1156104641056108546

Aucune réaction, je veux bien qu'on soit en août, mais ce n'est pas la 1ere
fois.
Je leur avait déjà fait remarquer des impressions d'OSM (rendu France) sur
des panneaux sur site qui ne disposaient pas d'attribution.
Tout va bien au pays du sans-gêne.

Il y a également eu le cas de l'ASN
https://twitter.com/InfosReseaux/status/1147196234500902913

Et du Cerema
https://twitter.com/InfosReseaux/status/1148863374689808389

Bon lundi

François

Le lun. 5 août 2019 à 10:10, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

> Et voilà... https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1158287747381170176
>
> C'est souvent le plus efficace ;)
>
> Le lun. 5 août 2019 à 09:04, deuzeffe  a écrit :
>
>> On 05/08/2019 08:24, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> >>> Si quelqu'un de plus aguerri que moi pense qu'il y a un détournement
>> >>> manifeste, le gars peut être interpellé sur son twitter :
>> >>> https://twitter.com/TOURISMEMARSEIL
>> >> La carte ressemble effectivement beaucoup à OSM. Leur site, va taper à
>> >> la fois sur maps.google.com mais aussi sur tile.openstreetmap.org
>> >
>> >
>> > Ils utilisent le javascript de Google maps et les tuiles
>> > d'openstreetmap.org.
>>
>> Merci à vous deux pour les explications. Et donc, il y a qq chose à
>> faire/lui dire pour lui faire respecter la licence d’utilisation d'osm ?
>>
>> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 05/08/2019 à 10:05, Christian Quest a écrit :

Et voilà... https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1158287747381170176


RT

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Re: [Talk-es] Agradecimiento por la traducción del wiki

[Emilio Gómez Fernández]

Mi contribución es bien modesta respecto a la tuya, Daniel. El cambio se
notó especialmente cuando tú empezaste a dedicarle tiempo, y es de
agradecer. Las traducciones llevan un trabajo que puede pasar
desapercibido, pero que es indispensable para derribar la barrera de
entrada a muchos usuarios noveles. Lo mismo ocurrió en su momento con la
traducción de la interfaz gráfica de JOSM, por ejemplo.

Un saludo.

Emilo Gómez


El dom., 4 ago. 2019 a las 20:20, dcapillae ()
escribió:

> Buenas tardes.
>
> En otras ocasiones he comentado la importancia de la traducción del wiki.
> No
> insistiré más en ello. Solo quería publicar un mensaje de agradecimiento a
> todos los que colaboráis en su traducción. Hay varios usuarios y no quiero
> olvidarme de ninguno, pero en especial mencionaré a Mweper desde Argentina
> [1], a Jonha Rupire desde Perú [2] y a nuestro Emilio Gómez en España [3].
>
> Espero poder seguir colaborando con vosotros en mejorar la traducción del
> wiki en español [4].
>
> Muchas gracias a todos.
>
> Atentamente,
> Daniel
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mweper
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Johna_Rupire
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tony_Rotondas
> [4]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Wikiproyecto_Traducción_en_español
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[Christian Quest]

Et voilà... https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1158287747381170176

C'est souvent le plus efficace ;)

Le lun. 5 août 2019 à 09:04, deuzeffe  a écrit :

> On 05/08/2019 08:24, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:
>
> Bonjour,
>
> >>> Si quelqu'un de plus aguerri que moi pense qu'il y a un détournement
> >>> manifeste, le gars peut être interpellé sur son twitter :
> >>> https://twitter.com/TOURISMEMARSEIL
> >> La carte ressemble effectivement beaucoup à OSM. Leur site, va taper à
> >> la fois sur maps.google.com mais aussi sur tile.openstreetmap.org
> >
> >
> > Ils utilisent le javascript de Google maps et les tuiles
> > d'openstreetmap.org.
>
> Merci à vous deux pour les explications. Et donc, il y a qq chose à
> faire/lui dire pour lui faire respecter la licence d’utilisation d'osm ?
>
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[Diversity-talk] Fwd: GeoForAll meeting at FOSS4G 2019

[Rory McCann]

Might be interesting to some

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:GeoForAll meeting at FOSS4G 2019
Date:   Sat, 3 Aug 2019 11:18:45 + (UTC)
Reply-To:   Suchith Anand 
To: t...@openstreetmap.org 


GeoForAll is committed to provide geoeducation and Digital economy 
opportunities to all.  We are planning GeoForAll meeting on Wednesday 
28th August 2019 (Wednesday)  18:00-19:30 (Bucharest time) at FOSS4G 
2019 [1],[2]  to discuss and plan ideas for the future. It will be 
similar to FOSS4G 2018 GeoForAll meeting [3] and aimed  to bring 
together colleagues  from around the world to plan ideas for expanding 
Open Principles in Science and Education.



Andreea Marin (Faculty of Geography,University of Bucharest) [4]  will 
be the organiser for the GeoForAll meeting at FOSS4G 2019. Andreea 
worked to establish  the first Romanian Open Source Geospatial Lab at 
the University of Bucharest.



We welcome all colleagues attending FOSS4G 2019 to join the GeoForAll 
meeting and contribute your ideas. I am grateful to FOSS4G 2019 LOC 
 colleagues for their work and efforts.



Best wishes,


Suchith



[1] https://2019.foss4g.org/schedule/bird-of-a-feather/


[2] https://2019.foss4g.org/schedule/full-schedule/


[3] https://2018.foss4g.org/geoforall/


[4]https://2019.foss4g.org/speakers/andreea-marin/

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Re: [Talk-at] Waymarked Trails gebrochen?

[ScubbX]

Bei mir kommen ebenfalls erst nach dem hinein Zoomen Informationen.


Am 02.08.19 um 22:30 schrieb Carl von Einem:

Hatte heute vormittag auch mal Schwierigkeiten blöde Fehlermeldung, aber nach 
stärkerem reinzoomen kamen plötzlich die benötigten Relationen.

Grüße,
Carl

Am 02.08.2019 um 21:40 schrieb Robert Grübler :


Hallo Leute,
bei mir funktioniert Waymarked Trails
(https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#?map=13!47.0578!15.3974 ) nicht mehr.
Beispiel Karte von Graz:

• Klick auf R23-Symbol: „Keine Einzelheiten für dieses Objekt gefunden“
• Klick auf R52-Symbol: „Fehler beim Verbinden zum Server“
• Klick auf R2-Symbol: „Keine Einzelheiten für dieses Objekt gefunden“
• Klick auf 10vor-Symbol: funktioniert

Ist das nur bei mir so?

Liebe Grüße
Robert


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[deuzeffe]

On 05/08/2019 08:24, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:

Bonjour,


Si quelqu'un de plus aguerri que moi pense qu'il y a un détournement
manifeste, le gars peut être interpellé sur son twitter :
https://twitter.com/TOURISMEMARSEIL

La carte ressemble effectivement beaucoup à OSM. Leur site, va taper à
la fois sur maps.google.com mais aussi sur tile.openstreetmap.org



Ils utilisent le javascript de Google maps et les tuiles 
d'openstreetmap.org.


Merci à vous deux pour les explications. Et donc, il y a qq chose à 
faire/lui dire pour lui faire respecter la licence d’utilisation d'osm ?


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Re: [talk-cz] Potok nepotok

[Jakub Jelen]

Nevim, culvert podle wiki je pouze trubka pod silnici [1]. Pokud je to
trubka pod pulkou mesta, tak wiki doporucuje flooded [2].

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dculvert
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tunnel%3Dflooded

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:32 AM xkomc...@centrum.cz  wrote:
>
> ještě lépe:
>
> tunnel=culvert
>
> On 04. 08. 19 9:43, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
> > Dne 03. 08. 19 v 16:35 Václav Kroupar napsal(a):
> >> Narazil jsem na potok 
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81491610#map=15/50.4770/13.4319 , který 
> >> evidentně minimálně od
> >> Přivaděče do Velkého otvického rybníka (Bandy) nevede po povrchu. Dle 
> >> všeho to je technické potrubí pro  převod vody z
> >> Přivaděče do Bandy. V Přivaděči je tomto místě vpusť a na Bandě je u hráze 
> >> výtok. Dál mezi rybníky může takto
> >> pokračovat. Těžko to zkontroluji - bažiny a ploty.
> >> Předem díky za radu, jak to opravit, abych nerozbil něco jiného. Evidentně 
> >> se do mapy dostal importem.
> >>
> > To potrubi pod zemi otagovat takto:
> > tunnel=yes
> > waterway=canal
> >
> > pr:
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286559395#map=14/47.1398/12.5843
> >
> > Mirek
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[Cyrille37 OSM]

Le 04/08/2019 à 23:36, Alarig Le Lay via Talk-fr a écrit :

Hello,

On dim.  4 août 22:27:11 2019, deuzeffe wrote:

Hello,

Ici 
https://www.tourisme-marseille.com/la-carte-xxl-de-decouverte-et-d-exploration-de-la-ville-de-marseille/
je crois reconnaître osm-cartocss. J'ai bon ?

Si oui, que fait le mot Google en bas à gauche, et pourquoi les conditions
d'utilisation renvoient à celles de gg ?

Si j'ai toujours bon, le gars a un sacré culot, surtout quand on lit les
mentions légales du site (article 5 en particulier).

Si quelqu'un de plus aguerri que moi pense qu'il y a un détournement
manifeste, le gars peut être interpellé sur son twitter :
https://twitter.com/TOURISMEMARSEIL

La carte ressemble effectivement beaucoup à OSM. Leur site, va taper à
la fois sur maps.google.com mais aussi sur tile.openstreetmap.org



Ils utilisent le javascript de Google maps et les tuiles 
d'openstreetmap.org.


Cyrille37.



https://pix.milkywan.fr/dgcgEoYG.png

Je ne sais pas comment ils ont foutu leur truc…



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