Re: [Talk-ca] Beautiful mission

[Bernie Connors]

Heather, Laura,

  I am an OpenStreetMap contributor in NB since 2007 and I have also
worked in GIS in NB for 30 years.  Additionally, I am a volunteer with Civic
Tech Fredericton <https://www.civictechfredericton.com/>.  Are you
interested in a mapping project involving Open StreetMap?  I would be
interested to hear what your goals are for your food programs and
OpenStreetMap.  Let's arrange a chat.

Bernie.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Heather Leson  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> Mapping fruit trees and food sources is a beautiful mission. This might be
> for you or someone in your network.
>
> Laura - this is the openstreetmap canada network
>
>
> Check out this job at Food For All NB | Aliments pour tous NB:
> https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/2269085805
>
> All the best
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] NRCan building

[Bernie Connors]

If only all provinces were had 100 % coverage in open lidar data ;-)

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 9:05 AM François Paquette, 
wrote:

> Pour info
>
>
>
> Plus de 200 000 nouveaux bâtiments maintenant disponibles au
> Nouveau-Brunswick dans les bâtiments extraits automatiquement
> .
> La couche de données comprend dorénavant plus de 1,2 million de bâtiments.
> De nouveaux bâtiments seront rendus disponibles au fur et à mesure que de
> nouvelles données Lidar seront acquises sur le territoire canadien.
>
>
>
> Over 200 000 new buildings now available for New Brunswick in the 
> automatically
> extracted building
> 
> product. The date layer now includes over 1.2 million buildings. New
> building data will be made available as more LiDAR is acquired over Canada.
>
>
>
> François Paquette
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Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging

[Bernie Connors]

I can confirm the BIA boundaries are modified very infrequently in New
Brunswick.  I am not aware of any changes during the 10 years in my current
job disseminating GIS data for for the province.

Bernie.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 2:45 PM Matthew Darwin  Hi Harald,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on this.
>
> From my point of view BIAs are just as (just as not) verifiable on the
> ground as a municipality boundary.  Typically there are gateway signs to
> welcome you to the area, which makes them more concrete then say a census
> area. eg
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.331875926798006=-75.892906002273=19.36453946996015=RopOOODg6gMzdE5gHeicfA=photo=0.4894869294322967=0.5003=0
> or
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=45.397102=-75.7423=17=pEs0qv8z4ielD2jmRpJhqw=photo=0.11741761625032077=0.5560308877526301=2.639780018331806
> so just like a municipality boundary there is some physical info, but of
> course doesn't tell you the exact boundary area.
>
> In my experience BIA boundaries don't change much one they are created
> but of course I am not familiar of what happens outside of Ontario
> certainly I wouldn't expect them to change more than the boundaries we
> already have in OSM for municipalities and the wards within them which seem
> to change change every decade or so in a growing/changing municipality.
>
>
> On 2019-01-09 12:34 p.m., Harald Kliems wrote:
>
> To me this is a clear case of something that doesn't belong in OSM. It
> sounds like the boundaries aren't verifiable on the ground and may change
> frequently. Therefore any data in OSM would go stale quickly and the only
> verification of accuracy would be to go back to the source.
> Yes, we have deviations from the "verifiable on the ground" rule, but
> we've had similar discussions for census boundaries, ridings/election
> districts, and on the the talk-us list recently about Bureau of Land
> Management boundaries.
>
> For your analysis of businesses within a BIA, you can just download the
> OSM and BIA boundary data separately and do the analysis in the GIS
> application of your choice.
>
>  Harald.
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:32 PM Matthew Darwin  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
>> would ask here.
>>
>> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
>> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone  (see
>> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>>
>> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
>> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
>> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
>> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
>> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
>> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>>
>> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary, boundary=local_authority
>> *might be applicable here, and define either a Canada specific
>> definition maybe just Ontario, depending if the concept exists elsewhere.
>>
>> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea  Or please suggest
>> something else.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>>
>>- type =boundary
>>
>>- boundary =
>>local_authority
>>- name =*
>>- local_authority:CA
>>
>> 
>>=BIA
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Re: [Talk-ca] Business Improvement Area tagging

[Bernie Connors]

Matthew,

  Here in NB we also have the very same concept of Business Improvement
Areas (BIA).  The BIA boundaries can be downloaded from the GeoNB Data
Catalogue.

Bernie.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 8:32 PM Matthew Darwin  Hello all,
>
> I'm not sure if this applies to other provinces or not, so I thought I
> would ask here.
>
> In Ontario there is a concept of "Business Improvement Area" ("BIA" for
> short) that has the power to tax businesses within their zone  (see
> http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1529.aspx for details).
>
> I want to tag these in OSM, so then you can run a query to find all
> businesses within a BIA. Sometimes the boundaries of the BIA are very tight
> and just cover things that are actual businesses, and sometimes the
> boundaries of a BIA are very loose and cover lots of area including
> residential... and when a new business comes up later in that area it
> automatically is a part of the BIA.
>
> I am thinking that the *relation type=boundary, boundary=local_authority 
> *might
> be applicable here, and define either a Canada specific definition maybe
> just Ontario, depending if the concept exists elsewhere.
>
> I would like to get people's opinion on this idea  Or please suggest
> something else.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aboundary%3Dlocal_authority
>
>- type =boundary
>
>- boundary =
>local_authority
>- name =*
>- local_authority:CA
>
> 
>=BIA
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[Talk-ca] DigitalGlobe building footprints for sale in Canada

[Bernie Connors]

https://mailchi.mp/gogeomatics/canadian-building-footprints-now-available-off-the-shelf?e=b9f52af875

I received this link by email today.  It looks like DigitalGlobe is trying
to make some money from their building footprint data before it is
available for free in OpenStreetmap.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

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  ‎Matthew,      "Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!"‎ is a good one. I have driven through "Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!" on my way from NB to Montreal. Growing up in NS I have always been intrigued by long French names in NB like St-Francois-de-Madawaska. I have lived, studied and worked in geomatics on NB since 1989. I find this discussion of St, Ste, Saint, and Sainte ‎to be a little esoteric. The engineer in me wants to lean toward standardization but the human in me recognizes that everyone can interpret a place name whether it is presented with a St / Saint or Ste / Sainte. However, St. John's, NL and Saint John, NB are a special case. One is always abbreviated and the other is not. Don't feel bad if you mix them up. Prince Charles confused the two while making a speech in Saint John, NB. I still remember the news clip on TV and the gasp from the NB audience when the prince said "St. John's" when he was referring Saint John, NB, while speaking in Saint John, NB! Despite the gasp Prince Charles survived and so will all of us OSM mappers despite our abbreviations. ;-)Bernie.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Matthew DarwinSent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:14 PMTo: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
  

  
  
In my OSM map updates
to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from locality names,
I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste" or any other
abbreviations of those names.  If the name (minus the prefix to
be removed) matches what is in NRCan database, I will remove the
prefix; if it doesn't, I will bring it back up here for review.
  
I occasionally get "Saint
John, NB" and "St. John's, NL" confused, so personally I do not
want the city name in Newfoundland expanded to add to my
confusion.   :-)
What's your favourite
locality name in Canada?  I have to go with "Saint-Louis-du-Ha!
Ha!"


On 2018-02-16 05:56 PM, Jarek
  Piórkowski wrote:


  With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most
everyone that Pine St is an abbreviation and Pine Street is the
correct unabbreviated Canadian English version. It is not clear
to me that "Saint Catharines" is the correct unabbreviated
version of the city's name. In fact it looks incorrect to me.
  


  



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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

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 I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a
municipality as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the
Municipalities Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt
to use "City of ", "Town of ", etc in the Municipalities Act and some
don't. But when it comes to names on maps we should be more concerned with
toponyms and not official names. The use of "City of ", "Town of ", etc is
very rare in toponyms.  Here is a query on the Canadian Geographic Names
Database searching for the term "of" in the "populated places" category -
http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=of%5B%5D=985=O

I only see two examples that include "City of ", "Town of ", etc across the
entire country:
City of Brant, ON
Village of Queen Charlotte, BC

Bernie.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:45 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> I smell a harmonization with admin_level...not that there's anything wrong
> with that.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Severed Dick

[Bernie Connors]

  I think if somebody did a search of the Talk-ca archives you will find these trail names were previously discussed here. I have never visited these trails but the names ring a bell in my memory and the Talk-ca list is the only place I would have an opportunity to hear about them. Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Denis CarriereSent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:37 PMTo: Frederik RammCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Severed DickUnfortunately does names seem legit for that type of mountain bike trails, these are not the first mountain bike trails names I've seen with those types of names.Seems like source of these edits come from a reputable editor.User: BC Trail Guideshttp://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/way/402020482http://osmlab.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/way/402020492This doesn't look like this is a form form of vandalism, that's just BC Canada for you ;)~~@DenisCarriereGIS Software & Systems Specialist
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:Hi,

   noticed a few funny trail names in this region near Vancouver:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/49.3365/-122.9791

Quote possible they really *are* called "Severed Dick", "Shorn Scrotum",
and "Cunt Buster", in which case they're of course totally legit to have
on the map, however I've come across some made-up names like that in the
past too. Maybe someone can check.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 OSMGeoWeek Mapathons

[Bernie Connors]

  James, Julia,        I am responsible for delivering the NB high resolution imagery to Esri Canada. The imagery only includes about 10% ‎of the province and it is mostly in the urban areas but it does include many of our smaller urban communities. I can provide a shape file of the covered areas. Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: JamesSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 4:37 PMTo: Julia CCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 OSMGeoWeek MapathonsAnything in New Brunswick will most likely have high resolution imagery as the goverment donated their imagery to ESRI world imagery. The praries (Northern alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba) have vary little mappers compared to the rest of the country, it would be fun for people to give them a helping hand like we did for Fort Mac during the wild fires.On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Julia C  wrote:Hi everyone,I am currently working at Mapbox on the Data Team and previously worked at StatCan on the Crowdsourcing project. Mapbox is collaborating with StatCan to engage Canadian universities to participate in the Building Canada 2020 project by hosting mapathons during OSMGeoWeek (November 12-18, 2017).We want to make sure we are accomplishing this in a way that encourages new Canadian mappers, while also ensuring participants are being educated properly about OSM and the community.The plan is to help educate Canadian universities about organizing mapathons through documentations like teachOSM as well as to set up clear tasks for students to complete during the mapathons. We have started outlining the information on this wiki page.On the Canada OSM Tasking Manager there are already some tasks related to the Building Canada 2020 project. My plan is to add additional tasks for students to complete. The tasks will clearly outline what the students should map and where they should map. I would like to know if you have any suggestions on cities/towns/communities in Canada to focus on, particularly rural regions that are not mapped and have high resolution imagery.Regards,Julia
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Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Bernie Connors]

Tracey,

  It takes a lot of time and effort to map a university campus completely.  
Especially if you want to use the data for multi-modal routing, e.g., walking 
directions, driving directions, etc.  Small changes can completely destroy a 
carefully constructed network of streets and footpaths.  I can understand the 
local Ottawa mappers being protective of their hard work. To avoid this problem 
in the future here are some suggestions:

1.  Choose a location that is completely unmapped.  There are many locations 
around the world that are unmapped or severely under-mapped.  Novice mapping in 
these areas will not damage hours of work by dedicated OSM volunteers.  But 
care is still necessary even in under-mapped areas. We don't want to export our 
problems to another community. 
2.  Download OSM data for the City of Ottawa and have your students edit 
against a local copy of the database.  I don't know how complex it would be to 
setup editing for a local copy of the OSM data. Perhaps some other mappers can 
provide some input. 
3.  Instead of editing OSM data stick to analysis. Teach students how to 
extract statistics from the OSM database
4.  Provide better training to the students so their edits to the OSM database 
do not cause problems. 
5.  Skip OSM and do some exercises in QGIS or ArcGIS Online. 

Best regards,
Bernie. 
berniejconnors

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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault  wrote:
> 
> Greetings OSM mappers;
> 
> I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM.
> 
> There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of 
> your members that is circulating through the administration from 
> (james2...@gmail.com).
> 
> The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here - 
> https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A
> 
> I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes 
> that may not meet your OSM data quality standards.  The students are 
> restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus.
> 
> I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish 
> the assignment.  They should be done by next week. There are 150 students.  
> Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to salvage the 
> data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data.
> 
> We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and 
> allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be assessed.
> 
> Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we 
> may be able to fix them.
> 
> Sincerely
> Tracey
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Re: [Talk-ca] High resolution Air photos for New Brunswick

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  Esri Canada publishes several maps showing the status of data updates for their Community Maps Program. One of the maps shows all of the areas where ‎the imagery has been updated. All of the maps are available here - Esri Canada Community Maps Status - http://maps.esri.ca/updates/tracking/‎ Check the map to see if the Esri World Imagery basemap has Community Maps imagery in your neighborhood. Bernie.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: JamesSent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:12 PMTo: bernie.conn...@unb.caCc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] High resolution Air photos for New BrunswickSweet! I've been looking at a few places as well and it's very good with minimal real world shift!Very nice imagery in remote areas too!On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Bernie Connors <bernie.conn...@unb.ca> wrote:James,      I have not undertaken an overall assessment of the Esri World Imagery basemap.  However, I was responsible for the QC of the most recent, high resolution, urban aerial photography that was collected in 2015 and 2016 in several dozen NB communities.  This photography was collected by Pictometry for the provincial government and its primary use is for property assessment.  I have reviewed the reports for the ground control, aerial triangulation and orthorectification.  The province opted to purchase the AccuPLUS orthophoto product from Pictometry which has a higher level of human intervention in the selection of the images that are used to prepare the orthophotos.  This results in orthophotos with a minimum of "building lean".  When compared to the provincial GIS datasets available from GeoNB [1] the alignment was very good.  Additionally I have heard from several municipal GIS managers and they are also very impressed with the horizontal accuracy of the Pictometry AccuPLUS orthophotos.  If I had to put a number to the horizontal accuracy of the Pictometry orthophotos in NB I would say it is better than 15 cm.        The province of New Brunswick participates in Esri Canada's Community Maps Program.  Through this program we contribute GIS data (orthophotos and vectors) that are used to update the Esri World Imagery basemap and the Esri World Topographic basemap.  Many other communities across Canada also participate in the program [2].  If these communities are contributing their municipal orthophotos to the program it is safe to say that the Esri World Imagery basemap is very accurate within these communities.[1] - GeoNB Data Catalogue - http://www.snb.ca/geonb1/e/DC/catalogue-E.asp[2] - Esri Canada Community Maps participants - http://maps.esri.ca/updates/tracking/Bernie.On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote:How well is the ESRI Imagery aligned with the real world (in General)?On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Bernie Connors <bernie.conn...@unb.ca> wrote:Hello all, My apologies if this has already been mentioned on this list.  The Esri World Imagery basemap is now available as a background image for OpenStreetMap editors.  In New Brunswick the provincial government has contributed hundreds of square kilometres of high resolution, urban air photos to the Esri World Imagery basemap.  There are thousands of buildings and other features that require editing so they match the newer, hi-resolution imagery in the Esri World Imagery basemap.  This area in Fredericton is a good example [1] (start an edit session and choose the Esri World Imagery background).  I posted to my blog with a few more details [2] [1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.96139/-66.64951[2] - http://geobern.blogspot.ca/2017/08/esri-world-imagery-in-openstreetmap.html Bernie.-- Bernie ConnorsNew Maryland, NB

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Re: [Talk-ca] High resolution Air photos for New Brunswick

[Bernie Connors]

James,

  I have not undertaken an overall assessment of the Esri World Imagery
basemap.  However, I was responsible for the QC of the most recent, high
resolution, urban aerial photography that was collected in 2015 and 2016 in
several dozen NB communities.  This photography was collected by Pictometry
for the provincial government and its primary use is for property
assessment.  I have reviewed the reports for the ground control, aerial
triangulation and orthorectification.  The province opted to purchase the
AccuPLUS orthophoto product from Pictometry which has a higher level of
human intervention in the selection of the images that are used to prepare
the orthophotos.  This results in orthophotos with a minimum of "building
lean".  When compared to the provincial GIS datasets available from GeoNB
[1] the alignment was very good.  Additionally I have heard from several
municipal GIS managers and they are also very impressed with the horizontal
accuracy of the Pictometry AccuPLUS orthophotos.  If I had to put a number
to the horizontal accuracy of the Pictometry orthophotos in NB I would say
it is better than 15 cm.

  The province of New Brunswick participates in Esri Canada's Community
Maps Program.  Through this program we contribute GIS data (orthophotos and
vectors) that are used to update the Esri World Imagery basemap and the
Esri World Topographic basemap.  Many other communities across Canada also
participate in the program [2].  If these communities are contributing
their municipal orthophotos to the program it is safe to say that the Esri
World Imagery basemap is very accurate within these communities.

[1] - GeoNB Data Catalogue - http://www.snb.ca/geonb1/e/DC/catalogue-E.asp
[2] - Esri Canada Community Maps participants -
http://maps.esri.ca/updates/tracking/

Bernie.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How well is the ESRI Imagery aligned with the real world (in General)?
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Bernie Connors <bernie.conn...@unb.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> My apologies if this has already been mentioned on this
>> list.  The Esri World Imagery basemap is now available as a background
>> image for OpenStreetMap editors.  In New Brunswick the provincial
>> government has contributed hundreds of square kilometres of high
>> resolution, urban air photos to the Esri World Imagery basemap.  There
>> are thousands of buildings and other features that require editing so they
>> match the newer, hi-resolution imagery in the Esri World Imagery basemap.
>> This area in Fredericton is a good example [1] (start an edit session and
>> choose the Esri World Imagery background).  I posted to my blog with a
>> few more details [2]
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.96139/-66.64951
>>
>> [2] - http://geobern.blogspot.ca/2017/08/esri-world-imagery-in-o
>> penstreetmap.html
>>
>>
>>
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[Talk-ca] High resolution Air photos for New Brunswick

[Bernie Connors]

Hello all,



My apologies if this has already been mentioned on this
list.  The Esri World Imagery basemap is now available as a background
image for OpenStreetMap editors.  In New Brunswick the provincial
government has contributed hundreds of square kilometres of high
resolution, urban air photos to the Esri World Imagery basemap.  There are
thousands of buildings and other features that require editing so they
match the newer, hi-resolution imagery in the Esri World Imagery basemap.
This area in Fredericton is a good example [1] (start an edit session and
choose the Esri World Imagery background).  I posted to my blog with a few
more details [2]



[1] - http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.96139/-66.64951

[2] - http://geobern.blogspot.ca/2017/08/esri-world-imagery-in-
openstreetmap.html



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Re: [Talk-ca] Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada Data

[Bernie Connors]

  Anatolijs,      You should try to engage some high school students or boy scouts. It doesn't take much time to get some novices up to speed on digitizing from air photos. Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: John MarshallSent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 4:18 PMTo: Anatolijs VenovcevsCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador, Canada DataHi Anatolijs,Good luck. If you need any help OSM Ottawa would love to help.CheersJohn (OSM user rps333)John MarshallOn Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Anatolijs Venovcevs  wrote:Hello everyone, I’ve been a longtime fan of Open Street Map but this is the first time I ever decided to help contribute to it. I am the GIS technologist for the Town of Happy Valley-Goose Bay in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.3085/-60.3463 It’s a small, isolated community of approximately 8,100 people and I’m the only one with any GIS training and experience. As a result, I’m responsible for doing just about everything to assist the town in geospatial-related functions and have a very tight budget and not a lot of time to them. One of the things there’s been a real interest in is developing some sort of a basic interactive web map for the town’s public information (zoning, water and sewer lines, attractions for our tourist map, etc.). I’m planning on using QGIS plugin qgis2web to do that and use an OpenStreetMap background. Before I can do that, OpenStreetMap data for the town needs to be updated. It looks to me approximately five years out of date and the town has been experiencing a major boom in the last few years. Currently, the town has possession of an updated street centerline network (digitized from 40 cm resolution orthorectified Worldview 2 satellite imagery) and an up-to-date civic number system with building footprints and parcels for recreational spaces and etc. coming later this year. I’d like to share them with the OSM community. Before I do that, I’m looking for community buy-in for the project. I will start with manually adding the new streets that have been built over the last few years and correct any information within the town boundaries that no longer represents reality on the ground. If that’s ok with all of you, I’d like to make the OSM web mapping for my corner of Canada a little better. Thank you, Anatolijs Venovcevs  ___
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Re: [Talk-ca] Municipal boundaries

[Bernie Connors]

  Bjenk,      In NB there are issues with some census boundaries not matching with our administrative boundaries. The issue I am aware of was with the county boundaries. The census data that is analogous to our county boundaries included some significant deviations to prevent a municipality from being bisected by a county boundary. Please be careful that there is not a similar issue with the CSD boundaries. NB municipal boundaries can be downloaded from the GeoNB Data Catalogue For comparison to the CSD data. Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Bjenk EllefsenSent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:51 AMTo: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: [Talk-ca] Municipal boundariesHello, Municipal boundaries correspond to census subdivisions (CSD). I have seen that many municipalities do not have a boundary yet. Is it ok if I start adding some boundaries based on CSDs? Having the boundaries is important to make extractions and analysis at the municipal level.Bjenk


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Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing with Statistics Canada

[Bernie Connors]

Stewart,

      Governments are writing open data policies, creating open data portals, 
and adopting the OGL-CA Licence because they want their data to be used. There 
are many benefits for governments to do this. It makes them appear more 
transparent, it supports citizens, businesses  and researchers, and it largely 
relieves them from having to monitor and police the licensees of their data 
(although I suspect that little or no effort was ever applied to monitoring 
licencees).  

       So we know their intentions, we have a very permissive ‎licence, and the 
chance of OGL-CA licence issues arising are very, very slim. We should stop 
fretting over the OGL-CA derived licences and start mapping.  I don't hide 
inside my home for fear of being struck by lightning and I don't refrain from 
mapping with data that has a very permissive licence. It's not a perfect 
licence but nothing in life ever is perfect. 

Best regards, 
Bernie. 

Bernie Connors, P.Eng 
Geomatics Engineer and Civil Servant 
New Maryland, NB

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
  Original Message  
From: Stewart C. Russell
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:05 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing with Statistics Canada

Hi Bjenk -

> I am not sure why there is confusion about Ottawa's ODL and it's
> equivalence to OGL because the information is public but here it is to
> clarify:
> 
> "The Open Data License is based on version 2.0 of the “Open Government
> Licence – Canada” which was developed through public consultation and
> consultation with other jurisdictions"

I sense your frustration, and understand that this process must be
trying. But it's partly an artifact of the licence itself.

The Open Government Licence - Canada, version 2.0 (OGL-CA) is compatible
with OSM's licence. This was confirmed in 2013:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2013-November/005906.html

(Paul Norman tells me that there's an official notice somewhere from
Government confirming this, but neither he nor I can find it.)

Unfortunately, one trait of the licence inherited from its parent (the
Open Government Licence United Kingdom 2.0,
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/)
is that it is not _reusable_. Here, reusable means that the licence is
not specific to an organization or jurisdiction. The OGL-CA has Her
Majesty the Queen in right of Canada baked in as Information Provider.
No-one but the Federal government can be that Information Provider. So
even if Municipality of X wished to adopt the “Open Government Licence -
X” by replacing ‘Canada’ with ‘X’, it would have to make textual changes
to the licence, and in doing so — and this is the critical part — makes
a new and different licence from the OGL-CA.

(Paul N. previously suggested that the UK OGL was more reusable, and had
better CC BY and ODC BY compatibility than OGL-CA.)

So we can't use Ottawa's data under the Federal OGL-CA.

Even with the best intentions, adoption of the OGL-CA results in
fragmentation. For example, there's the "Open Government Licence –
Ontario", the "Open Government Licence – Toronto" and the "Open
Government Licence - Toronto Public Library". All of these, though based
on OGL-CA, are *different* licences, and necessarily so. Accepting the
OGL-CA hasn't allowed OSM to automatically accept all the derivatives
under it.

(It also helps that OSM explicitly has a statement from the Federal
Government saying that we have permission to use their data. This
permission does not flow down to provincial or municipal data.)

If one happens to be a government, or a large commercial entity, one can
muster lawyers to ensure one's continued existence if there's a legal
challenge. OpenStreetMap doesn't have that luxury. In order to ensure
continuity of the OSM project, a degree of caution is required.

So while access to open data is valued by the community, it would be
lovely if someone could pay for all the lawyers needed to go over the
licences on behalf of OSM/OSMF too. To the best of my knowledge this
assistance has seldom been forthcoming.

Best Wishes,
Stewart


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[Talk-ca] Fort McMurray - Canadian volunteer as a point of contact

[Bernie Connors]

Is anybody following up on this opportunity to liaise with the
emergency managers in Fort McMurray? They are looking for an
Albertan


Morning from Doha.

As mentioned previously there are emergency managers trying to get imagery.
This is their first time considering digital volunteers. If I can have one
Canadian volunteer as a point of contact I can hand off the discussion.

Note: they would really love it if it was someone from alberta. However, i
think someone who can work on what is needed is also great.

Heather - heatherleson at gmail.com

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

[Bernie Connors]

  I believe the Wood Buffalo municipality has a buildings dataset. Can anyone get in touch with the municipal government to get the data?Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Kunce, DaleSent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:24 PMTo: JamesCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires





Quick question would it be possible to add that all buildings should be traced. This is crucial for the damage assessment.


Thanks
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From: Dale Kunce 
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:19 PM
To: James 
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires






Fantastic,
I just joined the list today.


Thanks
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From: James 
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM
To: Dale Kunce 
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires





Hi Dale I'm not sure if you've been following this list previously, but there was a initiative started already within osm-canada
I've created a HOT project here:
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22
But right now OSM is in read only mode as there is a scheduled maintenance
On May 9, 2016 12:12 PM, "Kunce, Dale"  wrote:




The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments
 in Ft. Mcmurtry and other places affected by the recent fires.




As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do a building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the area except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not happen for at least a week or two but
 we are interested in mapping all of the buildings in the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage assessment from satellite imagery will occur.




I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.





Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping or leading.




Dale





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Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

[Bernie Connors]

  Hello,      Looking at Esri's world topo basemap in Fort McMurray you can see that the building footprints are very complete. It could be a redundant use of our resources to obtain pre- fire imagery to digitize buildings. Almost anyone could create an app with ArcGIS Online to do Assessment of building damage. Bernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Kevin FarrugiaSent: Friday, May 6, 2016 9:00 PMTo: Darren EwaniukCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest firesThere's been at least 20 captures of the area by satellites in the past 3 days, but what use are they going to be at this stage of the fire? 
Also, what are we going to try to achieve once the fires are done? The roads are already there and Canada/Alberta have advanced spatial capabilities and detailed data for official purposes, so the work would basically entail deleting burned down buildings.
I'm willing to help out, just not clear what the goal with regards to data is going to be. :)
On May 6, 2016 7:42 PM, "Darren Ewaniuk"  wrote:






Global has some satellite images images after the fire attributed to Google / Terra Bella (ex-Skybox).  I believe they have in the past allowed imaging for open use before (Skybox For Good program) so may be able to do so here.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2685743/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-resident-in-convoy-through-community-calls-scene-very-apocalyptic/

The slides near the bottom have some aerial imaging of relevance:

14 - Wood Buffalo Estates / Martin Ridge Estates (Thickwood)
15 - Waterways
16 - Waterways (North)
17 - Beacon Hill (North)
18 - Abasands
19 - Aspen Gardens / Hilltop Estates / Downtown




From: Heather Leson 
Sent: May 5, 2016 10:39:31 PM
To: Simon Wood
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires
 


Hello
Let me know if you want me to connect you to the emergency managers in the area. I will give them a heads up that you are talking about it

Two of them are big fans of osm so they might help. But i leave this decision with you.

Heather
On 6 May 2016 04:59, "Simon Wood"  wrote:

On Thu, May 5, 2016 9:28 am, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
> As you are probably aware by now, a large portion of Fort McMurray,
> Alberta has been destroyed by forest fires.
>
>
> Is any freely licensed aerial imagery of the affected area available
> yet? Will the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap team be creating a project for
> Fort McMurray?

You might get some help from UrtheCast, as a Canadian company they might
be willing to donate access to footage.
https://www.urthecast.com

Not sure that they can provide geo-referenced shots, but any info might be
of use. Their cameras are fixed on ISS, so any orbital software/website
will tell you if/when they have near passes.

They also have a live feed:
https://www.urthecast.com/live

Cheers,
Simon.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

[Bernie Connors]

  The regional municipality of Wood Buffalo has municipal orthophotos and they also have orthophotos from Pictometry taken in May 2015. I know that Pictometry allows my organization to freely distribute the orthophotos. However none of this will be of any use if ‎nobody is available to provide access to their data. Their map viewer is still online do it is unlikely that it is in Fort McMurray - http://view.rmwb.caBernie. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Begin DanielSent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 3:56 PMTo: john whelan; Begin DanielCc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMapSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires







I did not find any buildings (except those from Canvec and GeoBase) in the GCODP.
May Mojgan got it from somewhere else? …
Daniel
 
From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]

Sent: May-05-16 14:04
To: Begin Daniel
Cc: James; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires
 


Mojgan recently imported some Stat Can data through the Government of Canada Oren Data portal.


Cheerio John



 

On 5 May 2016 at 13:47, Begin Daniel  wrote:


As far I can tell from the imagery available (Bing & Mapbox), the data from Geobase & Canvec are
 not up-to-date, neither for roads nor for buildings, and I do not see who in Ottawa could have them, StatCan?
 
Daniel
 
From: James
 [mailto:james2...@gmail.com]

Sent: May-05-16 12:42
To: john whelan
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires


 

They may have a city GIS team, but is that data publically available? Nope. Heck their "server" might even be toast as most of the city is going up in flames. Better to have data
 available, then none at all.


 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:36 PM, john whelan  wrote:


I'm not so sure of how much value this is.  HOT doesn't activate until it gets a request from the ground for that reason.  If it does
 then we get two tile systems over the same area.


Fort McMurray almost certainly has a City GIS system that has details of every building, Ottawa certainly does.  The roads and highways
 are also available in CANVEC for firefighters etc.


Cheerio John





 

On 5 May 2016 at 11:45, James  wrote:

I've created a task on my tasking manager for buildings in Fort McMurray. Tracing buildings can help us flag buildings affected by the fire

http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22




 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I will check with my contacts in my day job if they will release thier imagery.
I know DigitalGlobe are tasking thier satellites over Fort Mac.
John Marshall



On May 5, 2016 11:39, "James"  wrote:


I think we'll have to wait until the fire is put out before we get satelite imagery.

What I can do is create a task on
tasks.osmcanada.ca for Fort McMurray and we can trace buildings as they are not all there


 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Andrew MacKinnon  wrote:
As you are probably aware by now, a large portion of Fort McMurray,
Alberta has been destroyed by forest fires.

Is any freely licensed aerial imagery of the affected area available
yet? Will the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap team be creating a project
for Fort McMurray?

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[Talk-ca] Map rendering errors

[Bernie Connors]

Hello,

  I have done extensive editing with Potlatch2 for the Cape Breton
University campus in Sydney, NS.  My son is a student at CBU and I have
visited the campus several times.  The Bing imagery appears to be fairly
recent and good quality.  The edits were completed more than one week ago,
maybe two weeks but some of the map tiles still don't appear to match the
vector data.  Here are some examples:
 * Shannon School of Business building - it should be rectangular -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/46.16997/-60.09532
 * Technology Centre building - shape does not match Potlatch2 vectors -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/46.17119/-60.09294
 * Library building - there appears to be extra lines that could be ghosts
of the previous vectors -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/46.17009/-60.09120

  99% of the edits I made in this area are reflected in the
OpenStreetMap tiles but the above items are a few examples where the map
tiles do not match the vectors that I can see with Potlatch 2.  I am
certain I have waited long enough for the OSM servers to update the tiles.
Does anybody have an idea why the tiles do not match the vectors?

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-ca] Federal licence : Confusion

[Bernie Connors]

  I thought I read on this list in the past that OSM had permission directly from NRCan to use the CanVec data. Bernie. BTW, the GeoNB Open Data Licence in New Brunswick is more permissive with its attribution clause. We use "should" instead of "must"‎ therefore it is not a requirement, just a suggestion. http://geonb.snb.ca/documents/license/geonb-odl_en.pdfSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: john whelanSent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:19 PMTo: Bruno RemyCc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Federal licence : ConfusionThe agreement between CANVEC and OSM was drawn up before the .odbl license and change to the uploading procedure which says any data uploaded to OSM can have its license changed.I'm of the opinion that the CANVEC licensed data cannot now be imported into OSM under the new conditions however others in Talk-ca have said that I don't know what I'm talking about.In other words don't ask, don't tell and let's face it without the CANVEC data there would be very little left.Cheerio John2015-10-11 19:06 GMT-04:00 Bruno Remy :[English message will follow]Bonjour à tous,OpenStreetMap utilise les données de CANVEC.Les données ouvertes de CANVEC proviennent de Ressources naturelles Canada.outes les données Ressources naturelles Canada sont assujetties à la Licence du gouvernement ouvert – Canada.La Licence du gouvernement ouvert – Canada comporte une clause d'attribution contraignante pour OSM et incompatible avec notre licence ODBL.Alors? Que fait-on? Hi folks,OpenStreetMaps imports CANVEC data.CANVEC OpenData are provided by Natural Resources Canada.All Natural Resources Canada data are subject to the Open Government Licence – Canada.Open Government Licence - Canada includes a restrictive attribution term witch is not compatible with our ODBL licence.So ... What ? .-- Bruno Remy

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Re: [Talk-ca] Postal Codes

[Bernie Connors]

Nominatim uses a postal code database created by geocoder.ca.  I presume
they get periodic updates from geocoder.ca.  If you find an address that is
not properly geocoded by Nominatim (OSM) you can update the geocoder.ca
database by entering the entire address including the postal code at
http://geocoder.ca

Here is a sample screen capture - http://goo.gl/UuX8Kr

Bernie.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:40 PM, berniejconnors berniejconn...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I believe gecoder.ca already provides a method to collect postal codes
 from citizens. I had a quick look at the website but it was not readily
 obvious to me. I have sent them an email and when I get the response I will
 share it here.

 Bernie.
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  Original message 
 From: Adam Martin
 Date:12-30-2014 10:37 AM (GMT-04:00)
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Talk-ca] Postal Codes

 Hey all,

 I was reading over the previous discussions held here regarding the issue
 of obtaining postal codes for use with civic addresses in Canada. I
 understand that, unless specific permission is obtained, there is no way to
 utilize the information stored in the Canada Post database, even if that
 information is manually acquired from the database during a lookup. The use
 is restricted to a very limited personal or business application - ie, I
 want to send a package and I use the database to get the postal code of the
 address.

 It initially appears odd that Canada Post would be very restrictive with
 the code data. I understand that they maintain consumer names with the
 address data, but the OSM project would not be seeking that connective
 data, just the bare address to attach to a civic or business address.
 Looking about their site, I eventually encountered this little gem ---
 https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/business/productsservices/mailing/pcdp.jsf

 It would appear that Canada Post sells a data product that is,
 effectively, the postal code data attached to a map. It is provided to
 businesses for the purposes of datamining, allowing them to hone their
 mailings or identify exploitable market areas. The cynic in me figures that
 this is the real reason that they won't give OSM the permission to use the
 data. Not for protection of the consumer or for privacy, but to make money.
 Fair enough - it is technically a business.

 Anyway, it would appear that obtaining the information from Canada Post
 is, basically, a dead end. Might I suggest an alternative? Why not a
 volunteer effort? I can't look up a code and reproduce it on the map, but I
 can surely put my own postal code and those of my previous addresses into
 the map. That knowledge has nothing to do with looking it up on their
 website. I also know the code for my small hometown in Newfoundland as I
 lived there for years and the entire town uses the same code. Perhaps there
 is a way to gather the information voluntarily from Canadian citizens and
 businesses. Basically go around them? For example, a survey on the Reddit
 forum for Canada could be asked or something like that. The more we can get
 without using the post office, the better. Business websites are easily
 some of the best sources - they offer their mail address without any
 restriction so that is fair use too.

 Just a thought!

 Adam




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Re: [Talk-ca] compilation des associations locales / listing all local associations

[Bernie Connors]

FredOSM - Fredericton OpenStreetMap Enthusiasts -
http://groupspaces.com/FredOSM/
The Group has not been very active recently

Bernie.

2014-11-08 12:14 GMT-04:00 Charles Basenga Kiyanda 
perso...@charleskiyanda.com:

 Bonjour, (english follows)

 Nous avons eu une réunion de openstreetmap québec hier, une association
 provinciale qui essaie de débuter. Un des points que nous avons discusté
 était la possibilité d'augmenter la cohésion des groupes canadiens. Nous
 nous sommes dits qu'il serait intéressant de mettre des liens vers les
 différentes associations locales/provinciales canadiennes sur nos sites
 webs. Cela pourrait servir à créer une espèce de confédération
 virtuelle openstreetmap canada. Notre but premier avec cette idée est
 d'augmenter la discussion entre les différents groupes locaux et
 provinciaux et de mettre en commun certaines ressources, maintenant
 et/ou dans le futur. Un bon exemple, est l'initiative d'osm Ottawa de
 démarrer un gestionnaire de tâches. Nous allons utiliser notre propre
 gestionnaire de tâches pour un import massif de données de la ville de
 Montréal, mais nous devrions probablement avoir une discussion sur la
 possibilité d'un gestionnaire de tâches pan-canadiens pour les projets
 de mapping.

 Bref, nous essayons de répertorier les associations locales/provinciales
 pour mettre des liens vers celles-ci. L'idée est de rediriger les
 utilisateurs qui arrivent chez nous vers d'autres associations locales
 si nécessaire. Notre début liste est plus bas (après la version en
 anglais).

 Merci beaucoup,

 Charles

 

 Hi all,

 We had a meeting of the starting openstreetmap Québec provincial group
 yesterday. One of the points we discussed was the possibility of raising
 the cohesion of the different local/provincial osm groups in Canada on
 our respective websites. We were thinking this could serve to create a
 sort of virtual confederation of openstreetmap canada. Our first goal
 with this idea is to redirect users who land on our page to other
 canadian groups if they're wondering about the extent of osm enthusiasm
 in Canada. Hopefully, we can also share some resources in the future if
 need be. One good example is the osm ottawa initiative to start a task
 manager. We'll also be using a task manager that we started recently for
 a massive import of Montreal data, but we should (or could) probably
 have a wider discussion about the benefits of having a
 communal/canada-wide task manager for more everyday mapping projects.

 In other words, we're trying to compile a list of all the
 local/provincial osm communities in Canada to link to those on our own
 websites. Our current partial list is below. Which are the ones we're
 not aware of?

 Cheers,

 Charles

 

 Les communautés nous connaissons jusqu'à maintenant sont:
 The communities we know of now are:

 Provincial(es):
 Osm Québec (en démarrage), @osmqc, osmqc.ca (à venir)

 Local(es):
 Osm Capitale Nationale, @osmqccapnat
 Osm Montréal, @osmmtl, openstreetmap-montreal.org
 Osm Ottawa, www.osmottawa.ca/, http://www.meetup.com/openstreetmap-ottawa/
 Osm Toronto, @MappyHourTO (@MatpimeTO ?),
 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/
 Osm Vancouver, http://vancouver.wikispot.org/Openstreetmap (?),
 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Vancouver/


 Il y en a d'autres?
 Which are the other ones?

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