Re: [Talk-transit] Several stations in a stop_area

2022-01-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 6:38 AM Alexey Z via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Hello. > > Let me raise a question/appeal about stop_area relation. PTv2 is very > disputable and imperfect, so I tried to touch a narrow and practical aspect > to solve a specific problem. I rea

Re: [Talk-transit] bus stop name

2020-07-16 Thread Paul Johnson
No. Let the relations do their job. On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 8:16 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > In the USA bus stops (flag stops) are located for the most part at > named intersections, that is at where the street > > sign is. > >so you DO

Re: [Talk-transit] Multiple ref=* on route=train

2019-11-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:27 PM Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi Tijmen, > > Am 20.11.19 um 23:08 schrieb Tijmen Stam: > > In the Netherlands, there are no train route numbers like this. > > Internally (and among hobbyists) we speak of a "series 2900" train which > > goes from Enkhuizen to Maastricht

Re: [Talk-transit] USA

2019-09-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 8:32 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > that OSM, > > is a product of the united kingdom, > > are there any united states bus editors out there ? > I'm here working on Tulsa Transit. I'd actually be surprised if there weren't at

Re: [Talk-transit] Revisiting the use of ref in bus stops

2018-08-17 Thread Paul Johnson
gt; >> > >> It's a bit messy, so I hope they'll change that at some point in the > >> future. > >> > >> > >> > >> and the stops in Brussels could simply use ref, but I don't think we > >> know their identifiers. > >

Re: [Talk-transit] Revisiting the use of ref in bus stops

2018-08-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Dalley wrote: > I am using GO-Sync, gtfs-osm-sync, to synchronize data for AC Transit. > > For AC Transit, the gtfs_id, or stop_code, can be used to identify the > stop. That's the number on the sign, and can be as a phone code. > > For example, > > stop co

Re: [Talk-transit] [Imports] National Transit Map (US)

2016-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
Spot check against Tulsa Transit seems to suggest that this is matching a dump of the GTFS stops. Use caution with this data if you're going to try to map from this, as the official GTFS is known to be wrong in Tulsa. On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Andrew Guertin wrote: > The (US) Department o

Re: [Talk-transit] [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

2016-07-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > If i remove the forward/backward tag on a section of a way (part of the > bus route) does that signify the bus goes both ways? > I would advise against this; and instead use a separate relation for each direction of a route as it greatly s

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 2016-06-21 00:27, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Stephen Sprunk >> wrote: >> >>> On 2016-06-20 16:18, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, S

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 2016-06-20 16:18, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk >> wrote: >> >>> >>> The situation with GTFS data itself is so bad that Google stopped >> offe

Re: [Talk-transit] GTFS, tools and pt tags generally

2016-06-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 2016-06-20 02:07, Roland Olbricht wrote: > >> There had been a group that was very vocal for making a textbook >> example of design by committee, and the result is now known as >> "approved public transport scheme". They did not ask for

Re: [Talk-transit] different interpretations of v2 PT scheme

2015-07-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I see no reason to group objects in stop_area_groups, unless maybe if > there is a name or ref that only makes sense to give to a collection of > stops, and they all have different names. But if you are talking about a > station, we have the

[Talk-transit] How to map deviation areas for routes?

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Here in Tulsa (and apparently Wichita as well, along with Cherokee Nation Transit, Kibois Area Transit System, and presumably most midwestern agencies) have a concept of "deviation area" on their routes. In such a case, you can be picked up or dropped off anyplace they can fit a bus (usually a 15-

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jo wrote: > Hi Paul, > > How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical > markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the > driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. > In our case, this is p

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Jo wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways > a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the > sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. > Well, they do help for sorting

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Jo wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those > automatically. > True, but if you've had to edit a section of a dogleg to add another, sub dogleg, this breaks, too. The ground truth is breaking the tool. > Can

[Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Is there an easy way to map these? In JOSM, I run into problems with trying to sort when I edit that pretty much complicates the situation to the point where I end up having to start over if I get the order wrong, and the public transport plugin isn't the most stable thing in the world. Starting t

Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-us] I've been workin' on the railroad (in California)

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM, stevea wrote: > And here is what I've learned. > > This is tedious work, especially a state at at time. It is slow, but that > is because it is a whole (large) state. This is not impossibly large work, > not by a long shot. Yet for one person, a whole state is

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for a new transport tag

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Bryce McKinlay wrote: > Secondly, GTFS is already a good, widely used, open format for transit > schedules. Introducing a new set of tags for this stuff in OSM would > be like reinventing the wheel. In many cases GTFS data is provided and > kept up-to-date by the

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:03:59 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: > Just a technical note, we'd need a server with some proper Forum-like > software, so that posts like the one below could be pinned. Why not just update the wiki? Why needlessly complicate things with a forum? _

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:31:53 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: > On 28 July 2010 11:26, Ed Loach wrote: > >> Something like http://forum.openstreetmap.org >> >> >> >> > Definitely. Forum is way better than a mailing list, a threaded forum is > even better. [citation needed]. There's nothing a forum

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:59:53 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > For tagging the status of rail infrastructure there are in use: > > I usually think it's good to look at existing practice by others. > > On USGS maps, and in US legal usage: > > "out of service": rails still exist, but no trains. show

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:56:22 +0200, Heiko Jacobs wrote: > So this words don't satisfy me ... > I'm searching something like "traceless", "virtual", "very, really very > abandoned", ... > > Does anybody has an idea? How about omitting the line entirely? If it's no longer part of the ground trut

Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge

2009-09-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 15:45 +0100, Peter Childs wrote: > 2009/9/18 Ed Loach : > > Peter asked: > > > >> Anyone got a Zoom Layer beyond level 19 so I can see what I'm > >> doing > >> and pace the station out.. > > > > JOSM. I think you can just keep zooming in. It also displays the > > length (a

Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

2009-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 23:56 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: > However DisneyLand monorail http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22942763 > does have oneway = yes , but again is a closed loop single way. That would be about right: I seem to recall that they don't have an (on board) means of backing u

Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

2009-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 22:02 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Frankie > Roberto wrote: > > Fulfilling a very small niche, I've added a (very short) page for monorails > > (in the UK): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_monorails > > we should build more mon

Re: [Talk-transit] "Foxhall Road Lamp 589"!

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 17:34 +0100, Peter Miller wrote: > I think the conclusion is that have OSM crawling over the data is > going to do it a lot of good (and cost the councils nothing). Suddenly you're giving me ideas... I wonder how receptive the State of Oregon would be to putting GPS tracke

Re: [Talk-transit] Multiple tracks

2009-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 12:18 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: > While I like the idea of marking individual railway tracks as separate ways, > I foresee a problem for the renderers if we don't tell them how many tracks > are adjacent. If a renderer makes a distinction between tracks=1 and > tracks=2, a

Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport schema

2009-06-02 Thread Paul Johnson
Thomas Wood wrote: > 2009/6/2 Sebastian Schwarz : >> Hi! >> >> Well, I have been en-route the last days and thus did not have time to >> respond to any of the numerous mails covering almost all aspects of >> the new proposal relating to public transport. But I see the >> discussion sort of loosing