Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-28 Thread Oleksandr Vlasov
Michał Borsuk michal.borsuk at gmail.com writes: Is it possible to add a way to a relation twice with Potlatch? Out of 80 lines I manage, I have such a situation once (not a way, but a bus stop, actually). Is it an issue in your area? Such route existed in Prague (#212), but was eliminated

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-09 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 02/02/2011 02:42 PM, Jo wrote: Is it possible to add a way to a relation twice with Potlatch? Out of 80 lines I manage, I have such a situation once (not a way, but a bus stop, actually). Is it an issue in your area? LMB ___ Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-09 Thread Jo
Here the buses travel over the same stretch of asphalt quite often. Usually back and forth (what you call a spoon). Sometimes twice in the same direction (on a roundabout with one stop that serves both directions, so the bus that would exit the roundabout on the first exit, now goes around to

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-02 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/28/2011 02:45 PM, Jo wrote: Yes that's one option. I'm a bit reluctant to put in separate relations for each direction unless someone actually gives me a compelling reason to do so. I already have some ways with more than 20 relations, and I don't really want to double that

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-02 Thread Richard Mann
Potlatch 2 includes a display of the ways/nodes in order, and you can move them about, but it doesn't currently tell you anything about the member, except the id and the role (so it's pretty much a list of random numbers). I've raised a ticket requesting at least the member's name to be

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-02 Thread Jo
2011/2/2 Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com: On 01/28/2011 02:45 PM, Jo wrote:    Yes that's one option. I'm a bit reluctant to put in separate    relations for each direction unless someone actually gives me a    compelling reason to do so. I already have some ways with more than 20    

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-02-02 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to add a way to a relation twice with Potlatch? And is it possible to show that 1 way is part of a relation multiple times? Yes. Oxford Bus route 9 now has a certain section of the Green Road roundabout twice. Richard

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-28 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 27.01.2011 22:06, Michael von Glasow wrote: You can find the proposal at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Simplified_Public_Transport_Scheme Constructive feedback and suggestions are welcome and can be sent to the list or left on the proposal's discussion page. It

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com wrote: Following the call for a better proposal, Tiziano, Oscar and I have drafted up a simple proposal. It is based on how we have mapped the public transport networks in our cities (Padova, Ferrara and Milan), with some

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-28 Thread Jo
2011/1/28 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com wrote: Following the call for a better proposal, Tiziano, Oscar and I have drafted up a simple proposal. It is based on how we have mapped the public

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-28 Thread Jo
Yes that's one option. I'm a bit reluctant to put in separate relations for each direction unless someone actually gives me a compelling reason to do so. I already have some ways with more than 20 relations, and I don't really want to double that number without good reason.

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-27 Thread Michael von Glasow
Following the call for a better proposal, Tiziano, Oscar and I have drafted up a simple proposal. It is based on how we have mapped the public transport networks in our cities (Padova, Ferrara and Milan), with some improvements that came up during this discussion. Our approach was to keep it

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-27 Thread Jo
route_ref does not seem obsolete to me. True, if the relation is defined, it can be determined from that by routers. But as long as that hasn't happened, this is the information that a mapper can take not of in the field. Then afterwards, it can help to add the appropriate stops to the route

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-27 Thread Michael von Glasow
On 01/27/2011 11:37 PM, Jo wrote: route_ref does not seem obsolete to me. True, if the relation is defined, it can be determined from that by routers. But as long as that hasn't happened, this is the information that a mapper can take not of in the field. That's basically what I meant - you

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-23 Thread ant
On 23.01.2011 15:01, Michał Borsuk wrote: Any updates from the wiki front? I have started something: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Cleanup/Public_transport I'll need your help with this, so feel free to edit and discuss. cheers ant

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-16 Thread ant
On 15.01.2011 14:46, Michał Borsuk wrote: Yes! I've been raising this issue here, it may have died among other arguments: An overhaul and update of the documentation is more important than pushing the new schema. Do you have the resources to lead this project of cleaning the mess with wiki

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread Tiziano D'Angelo
How about you, and the few of us who understand why the proposal is a mere nonsense, develop a better proposal? We seem to share the understanding of the flaws; a new proposal may lead to a secession, which is the ugliest thing possible, but I am not sure we can continue to improve the

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread ant
Hi, On 14.01.2011 09:58, Michał Borsuk wrote: How about you, and the few of us who understand why the proposal is a mere nonsense, develop a better proposal? We seem to share the understanding of the flaws; a new proposal may lead to a secession, which is the ugliest thing possible, but I am

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: Example: If a housenumber is located exactly on the corner of two streets (and no street name attached to it), an algorithm could only guess which street it belongs to. Probably similar ambiguities are possible for bus stops as

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 14.01.2011 12:46, schrieb ant: Hi, On 14.01.2011 09:58, Michał Borsuk wrote: How about you, and the few of us who understand why the proposal is a mere nonsense, develop a better proposal? We seem to share the understanding of the flaws; a new proposal may lead to a secession, which is the

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread ant
On 14.01.2011 14:29, Richard Mann wrote: If I were ever to map it, I'd put it in as a separate relation and put days of operation in the two variants (do we have a tag for that?). I I've seen people use opening_hours on route relations. might also want a tag on the relation such as

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread ant
On 14.01.2011 21:13, Michał Borsuk wrote: 3. lack of the need in the majority of cases (other cases: roles should be enough*) See my other posts. Frankly not sure which one. Do you care to summarize what you mean? I had my posting from 18:53 CET in mind, it's about getting a platform's

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 14 January 2011 18:56, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: On 14.01.2011 14:29, Richard Mann wrote: If I were ever to map it, I'd put it in as a separate relation and put days of operation in the two variants (do we have a tag for that?). I I've seen people use opening_hours on route

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread ant
On 14.01.2011 21:28, Michał Borsuk wrote: I will elaborate on the complexity of timetable datasets, with actual examples, if time permits. One question here, are you developing this software as an academic assignment? If so, in which journal would you like to publish? Are you addressing me?

Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature

2011-01-14 Thread David Peek
...Also, it is quite unlikely that a stop is served in only one direction whereas the road it resides on is used in both. For stops that are situated at a segment that is served only in one direction, it is clear in what direction the stop is used, isn't it.. Actually, this is not unlikely